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 Christianity Etc › Re: My Pastor Or GOD , Who Should I Listen To ? (Christians ONLY Please ) by plappville(f): 11:23pm On Feb 02, 2013 |
italo: The Apostles were Catholics. They and some others wrote the books of the New Testament.No sir, am not ok with you answers. Plz Prove the bolded with Scripture. I agree the scripture was penned down by the Apostles. Not contesting that  And What do you mean some others? Please be precise. Thank you. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Come, Let Us Reason Together - A Call To "Sanctified" Christian Reasoning by plappville(f): 4:54pm On Feb 02, 2013 |
okeyxyz: Everything you write above is all abstract, but you have not nailed it down to reality...WAOHH!!! THIS IS NEW TO ME........... WATCHING FROM SIDELINE....................... |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Rosary No More!! Why I Stopped Praying The Rosary!! by plappville(f): 10:30pm On Feb 01, 2013 |
Segeggs: who told you catholics formed christianity?christianity is not a religion but a way of life started by jesus christ,the author and finisher of our faith;catholics only highjacked and corrupted it cos none of their worship and practices can be traced to jesus nor the early apostles which are the true new testament writers.catholism is paganThank you my broda, enlighten the people. Christianity is not a religion like you have said. Very correct. It was mentioned in the Scriptures, this is how the none believers see/call those that believe and practice the ways of Christ. Catholic was not yet, when the world Christian was used in the Scripture. Acts 11:26 and when he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole year Barnabas and Saul met with the church and taught great numbers of people. The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch. Then Agrippa said to Paul, "Do you think that in such a short time you can persuade me to be a Christian?" |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Please Can Someone Help Me Find Where God Changed His Word From DEUTRONOMY 22:5 by plappville(f): 9:56pm On Feb 01, 2013 |
Goshen360: ^ |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Please Can Someone Help Me Find Where God Changed His Word From DEUTRONOMY 22:5 by plappville(f): 9:53pm On Feb 01, 2013 |
advocate666: [size=16pt]I can't see anything wrong with these.[/size]This photos were made intentionally to disregarde the Scripture.!!! They are heathens, it is normal to see them dressed like this!! Even me as a woman, will not wear such a dress..!! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: According To Jesus Christ Being A Muslim Makes All The Difference! by plappville(f): 9:35pm On Feb 01, 2013 |
[size=16pt]It is reported from Ismail ibn Ibrahim from Ayyub from Naafi from Ibn Umar who said: "Let none of you say ‘I have acquired the whole of the Qur'an'. How does he know what all of it is when much of the Qur'an has disappeared? Rather let him say 'I have acquired what has survived.’” (as-Suyuti, Al-Itqan fii Ulum al-Qur'an, p. 524). [/size] |
| Christianity Etc › Re: According To Jesus Christ Being A Muslim Makes All The Difference! by plappville(f): 9:31pm On Feb 01, 2013 |
F00028: @plappvilleI see you still ignore the dirty in your nose and tend to clean up someone's own. ’Ibn Umar al–Khattab explicitly admits, The Quran is not a complete book, there are missing piece. You know nothing, these are Muhammed's companions. "Let no one of you say that he has acquired the entire Qur’an for how does he know that it is all? Much of the Qur’an has been lost, thus let him say, ‘I have acquired of it what is available"’ (Suyuti: Itqan, part 3, page 72). What about A’isha? (also page 72) adds to the story of ibn Umar and says, [size=14pt]"During the time of the prophet, the chapter of the Parties used to be two hundred verses when read. When Uthman edited the copies of the Qur’an, only the current (verses) were recorded" (73 verses).[/size] The same statement is made by Ubay ibn Ka’b, one of the great companions. On page 72, part 3, the Suyuti says: "This famous companion asked one of the Muslims, ‘How many verses in the chapter of the Parties?’ He said, ‘Seventy-two or seventy-three verses.’ He (Ubay) told him, ‘It used to be almost equal to the chapter of the Cow (about 286 verses) and included the verse of the stoning.’ The man asked, ‘What is the verse of the stoning?’ He said, ‘If an old man or woman committed adultery, stone them to death."’ This same story and same dialogue which took place between the companion and one of the Muslims is recorded by Ibn Hazm (volume 8, part 11, pages 234 and 235). Then Ibn Hazm said, "’Ali Ibn Abi Talib said this has a reliable chain of authority (The Sweetest [Al Mohalla] vol. 8.)." The Zamakh-shari also cited it in his book, "al-Kash-Shaf’ (part 3, page 518). These are unquestionable statements made by the pillars of the Islamic religion who transmitted Muhammad’s sayings and biography, "The Tradition", and who interpreted the Qur’an— among them Ibn ’Umar, A’isha, Ubay Ibn Ka’b and ’Ali Ibn Abi Talib. Ibn ’Umar states that a large part of the Qur’an was missed. A’isha and Ubay Ibn Ka’b assert that dozens of verses from the "Chapter of the Parties" have been lost. ’Ali confirms that, too. In regard to this particular verse, the following incident is recorded in "The Itqan" by Suyuti (part 1, page 168), "During the collection of the Qur’an, people used to come to Zayd Ibn Thabit (with the verses they memorized). He shunned recording any verse unless two witnesses attested to it. The last verse of chapter of Repentance was found only with Khuzayma Ibn Thabit. Zayd said, ‘Record it because the apostle of God made the testimony of Khuzayma equal to the testimony of two men.’ ’Umar came with the verse of the stoning but it was not recorded because he was the only witness to it." One can only wonder and ask, "Does ’Umar need another witness to agree with him? Would he lie to God and the Qur’an? Because of that, ’Umar said after that, "If it were not that people would say, "Umar has added to the book of God’, I would have recorded the verse of the stoning" (part 3, page 75 of the Itqan). Refer also to skiek Kishk’s book (part 3, page 64). Another confession by A’isha: One can only wonder and ask, "Does ’Umar need another witness to agree with him? Would he lie to God and the Qur’an? Because of that, ’Umar said after that, "If it were not that people would say, "Umar has added to the book of God’, I would have recorded the verse of the stoning" (part 3, page 75 of the Itqan). Refer also to skiek Kishk’s book (part 3, page 64). Another confession by A’isha: How come a Domesticated Animal can do so much damage by Eating the Kuranic Verses and Allah just sit and watch it?  Oh yeah........the quran is complete.. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: According To Jesus Christ Being A Muslim Makes All The Difference! by plappville(f): 9:18pm On Feb 01, 2013 |
F00028: GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)Muhammed and You muslims are the ones with problem, the prophets and servants did had any. According to the Scripture, they used it. The meaning of the pen of the scribes has nothing to do with changing what was penned down by God. If God cannot restore His word and allows His prophets/servants to practice it, then He is not a God at the first place. Hence the bible cannot lie, Muhammed is the false prophet according to the bible. He is the one that came to curse damage to the word of God, He is the one who have decieved many. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Pastor Or GOD , Who Should I Listen To ? (Christians ONLY Please ) by plappville(f): 9:30am On Feb 01, 2013 |
Pastor Kun: So it's God that thought you to be worshipping Mary, SMH.Italo says the church doctrine is in the bible, yet this contradicts her claim. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Pastor Or GOD , Who Should I Listen To ? (Christians ONLY Please ) by plappville(f): 9:27am On Feb 01, 2013 |
italo: Yes, the doctrine of the Church is the same as the doctrine of the Bible.Was there this Catholic during the apostles? HOW were they able to preach without the Bible? How did the Catholic got the words in the Bible'? From a source? Which? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Pastor Or GOD , Who Should I Listen To ? (Christians ONLY Please ) by plappville(f): 9:23am On Feb 01, 2013 |
frosbel: The catholic church is a 'w.hore' and counterfeitI think the Roman catholic church is mixing up everything. They can't figure out which Simon found that Church. It is so easy to identify which because the church doctrine/practice alone tells. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Pastor Or GOD , Who Should I Listen To ? (Christians ONLY Please ) by plappville(f): 9:20am On Feb 01, 2013 |
Some Pastors implant fear in their members, that is, the lazy ones that have no time to truely befriend their God. That's why They Put their pastors in position of God. I have rebuked a friend in FB. Her prifile reads....THANK YOU DADDY BLABLABLA FOR MAKING ME WHAT IAM TODAY. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Wife, My Wife, My Wife by plappville(f): 12:54am On Feb 01, 2013 |
alexleo: YES, MY WIFE. A wonderful woman God gave to me. She loves God and the things of God. Humble, loving,caring, hardworking, intelligent, enterprising. A good home manager and a true picture of a true child of God. Twelve years of marriage and still counting, she has been a wonderful wife to me. I thank God for bringing her into my life. Pleading on all of you here to help me say A BIG thanks to this great woman. I pray for God's continual blessings upon her life from day to day. In Jesus name. Amen.You are blessed brother!! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Wife, My Wife, My Wife by plappville(f): 12:52am On Feb 01, 2013 |
advocate666: If she is making all these efforts, she's got something to hide. How do I know? Just human nature. And experience.See advice na... |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Man Claims to Have Survived Without Food And Water For 70 Years! by plappville(f): 12:42am On Feb 01, 2013 |
FAKE!! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: According To Jesus Christ Being A Muslim Makes All The Difference! by plappville(f): 12:16am On Feb 01, 2013 |
alexis: I want to know HOW god revealed the Torah and Zabur to prophet Mohammed.Euhh, you should know despirate Muslims will always do all they can, to prove points where there is none. What was not possible with the Torah was possible with the Quran. They claim the bible/torah is Gods word but part of it is corrupt. Yet, thesame quran claim God' word is prefect and trustworthy....How does this Discribe God to them, i dont know. Allah is a liar, false contradicting god with much confusion. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: According To Jesus Christ Being A Muslim Makes All The Difference! by plappville(f): 11:18pm On Jan 31, 2013 |
F00028: The rightful translation of the meanings of thisNow it hurts you so much that you now have to put the fault on translation? Did you care looking at other translations in Jeremiah 8:8 before jubilating  thinking you have put a hock in the throat of those with the Bible? Well, i have nothing positive with the quran after all, i know it is not a confirmed book. There are so many proofs. But, everyone has His opinion. You believed it for a reason, good for you, vise/versa. This exposition of the quran is so plain! You mistook Jeremiah 8:8 out of context not minding the consiquencses, JEREMIAH himself made it plain what he meant. In Jeremiah 26: 4-6 we are told that the Law still exists and should be followed: "Say to them, ‘This is what the LORD says: If you do not listen to me and follow MY LAW, which I have set before you, and if you do not listen to the words of my servants the prophets, whom I have sent to you again and again (though you have not listened) then I will make this house like Shiloh and this city an object of cursing among all the nations of the earth.’"( Jeremiah 26:4-6) Hence if the Mosaic Law still exists and should be followed, how can it be corrupted? And Interestingly a few decades later Daniel the prophet reads the book of Jeremiah: Ezra Jesus read it, but you follow Zawadi to say they didn't read it or that they read the corrupted book? Infact, Wazadi must be dreaming, He exposes the Koran the more with his weak and assumptious arguments. According to your Quran, God didn’t need to restore the Torah since it wasn’t corrupted and was already perfect as the prophet David explicitly taught: THE LAW OF THE LORD IS PERFECT, reviving the soul. The statutes of the LORD are TRUSTWORTHY, making wise the simple. Psalm 19:7 This alone is a big blow to Zawadi's weak claim, He made the Quran contradicts itself.. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: According To Jesus Christ Being A Muslim Makes All The Difference! by plappville(f): 2:19pm On Jan 31, 2013 |
[size=16pt]Conclusion[/size] Zawadi: Jeremiah 8:8 is explicitly clear when it states that the Law has been corrupted. We are not even sure if Jeremiah is really the true author of this book. We don't have any evidence to confirm if he wrote the whole book. So even if Christians try to come up and show verses from the book of Jeremiah that give authority to the Law then that would just simply be contradicting Jeremiah 8:8. Maybe others added to the book to try and cover it up. Only God knows best. Maybe Christians might criticize me for saying that Jeremiah is not reliable yet I use Jeremiah 8:8 to prove that the Bible is corrupt. Well either Jeremiah 8:8 is a true verse and the Bible is corrupted or Jeremiah 8:8 is a corrupted verse but it is in your Bible so your Bible is still corrupted! However, do not expect a subjective Christian to believe the implications of Jeremiah 8:8, they would simply dismiss it. However, use it for those truth seeking and objective Christians.Jeremiah 8:8 backfires on Mr. Zawadi, and Islam in a much more harmful way, than Zawadi could even imagine. As for the Law of God being corrupted, here is what the Quran has to say: [size=14pt]Shall I seek other than Allah for judge, when He it is Who hath revealed unto you (this) Scripture, fully explained? Those unto whom We gave the Scripture (aforetime) know that it is revealed from thy Lord in truth. So be not thou (O Muhammad) of the waverers. Perfected is the Word of thy Lord in truth and justice. THERE IS NAUGHT THAT CAN CHANGE HIS WORDS. He is the Hearer, the Knower. S. 6:114-115 Pickthall [/size] If the Quran is the word of God, and it claims that nobody can change God’s words and the Law of God was originally God’s word, how can Mr. Zawadi contradict his very own Quran and claim otherwise? He has just made Allah a liar! Returning to the Quran, we read: "All food was lawful to the Children of Israel except what Israel made unlawful for itself[b] before the Torah[/b] was revealed. Say, 'BRING the Torah and READ it, if you are men of truth.' If any, after this, invent a lie and attribute it to God, they are indeed transgressors." S. 3:93-94 They measured not God with a true measure when they said, ‘God has not sent down aught on any mortal.’ Say: ‘Who sent down the Book that Moses brought as a light and a guidance to men? YOU PUT IT INTO PARCHMENTS, REVEALING THEM, and hiding much; and you were taught that you knew not, you and your fathers.’ Then leave them alone, playing their game of plunging. This is a Book We have sent down, blessed[b] AND CONFIRMING THAT WHICH WAS BEFORE IT…[/b] S. 6:91-92 A.J. Arberry It is quite clear from these passages that the original Torah and the uncorrupted Book of Moses were in the possession of the people of Muhammad’s time. If they were corrupted in the time of Jeremiah then we must conclude that Muhammad mistakenly believed that a corrupt law was actually the very one that God gave to Moses, thereby proving that Muhammad was a false prophet since a true prophet would have known better. In light of the foregoing there really is no need to elaborate further on this apart from saying that Mr. Zawadi has given us another dagger to stab his false religion with! http://answer-islam.org/argument_of_jeremiah_8.html |
| Christianity Etc › Re: According To Jesus Christ Being A Muslim Makes All The Difference! by plappville(f): 2:10pm On Jan 31, 2013 |
F00028 Is God not able to preserve the Torah?Since Zawadi believes that the Quran is the word of God, and remains intact for all time, then he needs to explain this to us: Say: Have you considered if it is from Allah, and you disbelieve in it, and a witness from among the children of Israel has borne witness of one like it (mithlihi), so he believed, while you are big with pride; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people ... And before it the Book of Musa was a guide and a mercy: and this is a Book VERIFYING (it) IN the Arabic language that it may warn those who are unjust and as good news for the doers of good. S. 46:10, 12 Shakir One of the greatest Muslim commentators Ibn Kathir wrote regarding the above: <(at the same time), a witness from among the Children of Israel has testified to something similar> meaning, ‘the previous Scriptures that were revealed to the Prophets before me all testify to its truthfulness and authenticity. They have prophesied, well in advance, about things similar to that which this Qur’an informs of.’ Concerning Allah’s statement ... <and believed> ‘this person who testified to its truthfulness from the Children of Israel, due to his realization that it was the truth.’ <while you rejected (the truth)!> ‘whereas you have arrogantly refused to follow it.’ Masruq said: "That witness believed in his Prophet and Book, while you disbelieved in your Prophet and Book." (Tafsir Ibn Kathir (Abridged) Volume 9 (Surat Al-Jathiyah to the end of Surat Al-Munafiqun), First Edition: September 2000, pp. 52-53; cf. online edition) The late Christian scholar of Islam Sir William Muir wrote about the Quran’s view of God’s true word: A Jew, either residing in the vicinity of Mecca, or having visited it perhaps from Medina or elsewhere,—at any rate known at Mecca,—is quoted to the people of Mecca as bearing testimony to the correspondence of the Corân with the Jewish Scriptures, and accordingly believing in it. "Does not this," says Mahomet, "prove the divine inspiration of the Corân, and yet ye proudly reject it?" So Baidhâwi,— على مثله مثل القران وهو ما في التوراة من المعاني المصدقة القرآن المطابقة له أو مثل ذالك وهو كونه من عندالله فآمن أي بالقرآن لما رائي من خبر الوحي مطابقاً للحق "To the like-thereof, i. e. like the Corân, and the meaning is that the contents of the Tourât (Pentateuch) by their purport attest the Corân, as corresponding therewith, or resembling it;—and thus prove its being from God. And believed, that is, in the Corân, when he (the Jew) saw the intimations of Inspiration corresponding with the truth." (Sir William Muir, The Corân: Its Composition and Teaching, p. 84; bold emphasis ours) Note the structure of the argument: because he assumed the divine origin of the Torah, the author of the Quran argued that since his Quran is "like the Torah" this therefore proves that it is of divine origin as well. In this context at least, the Quran seeks to derive proof for its inspiration from the authority of the Torah. In light of this, how can Zawadi remain a Muslim when he believes that the Torah was corrupted before or around the time of Jeremiah whereas his false prophet Muhammad believed the contrary, going so far as to claim that his Quran is actually a verification of it in Arabic? In fact, using Zawadi’s logic would further prove that the Quran is also a corrupted text since it is nothing more than an Arabic version of a text that had been falsified by the lying pen of the scribes! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: According To Jesus Christ Being A Muslim Makes All The Difference! by plappville(f): 1:58pm On Jan 31, 2013 |
alexis: Has F00028 totally ignored meHahahahaha.....He is busy with mr ZAWADI's site, don't u mind, He will soon reply u.  |
| Christianity Etc › Re: According To Jesus Christ Being A Muslim Makes All The Difference! by plappville(f): 1:56pm On Jan 31, 2013 |
F00028: Daniel Chapter 9 shows that Daniel read from the Book of Jeremiah and also believed in an uncorrupt Torah. This shows that Daniel did not understand Jeremiah 8:8 to mean that the text of the Law was corrupted.It is very apparent that Mr. Zawadi is obviously arguing with nothing but hot air. Logically if he concludes that: Because Daniel read parts of the law about the 70 years captivity in Babylon it doesn’t prove that he read the whole book. It can logically be concluded also that: Because Daniel didn’t read the whole book, that THE WHOLE BOOK WASN’T IN EXISTENCE. F00028: God could have restored the Torah just like how he did with Jeremiah's own revelations in Jeremiah 36:1-7, 20-32, 27-32God didn’t need to restore the Torah since it wasn’t corrupted and was already perfect as the prophet David explicitly taught: THE LAW OF THE LORD IS PERFECT, reviving the soul. The statutes of the LORD are TRUSTWORTHY, making wise the simple. Psalm 19:7 According to the Quran, David was given his revelations and wisdom by Allah himself: "Before this, We wrote in the Psalms (al-Zaburi), after THE REMINDER (Zhikri): `My servants, the righteous, shall inherit the earth.'" Surah 21:105 "Then if they reject thee, so were rejected messengers before thee, who came with Clear Signs, The Scriptures (Zuburi), and the Book of Enlightenment." S. 3:184 "Without doubt it is (announced) IN the revealed Books of former peoples (Zubu-ril-'awwaliin)." S. 26:196 "Are your Unbelievers, (O Quraish), better than they? Or have ye an immunity IN the Sacred Books (Zubur)?" S. 54:43 "And if they reject thee, so did their predecessors, to whom came their messengers with Clear Signs, Scriptures (Zuburi), and the Book illuminating." S. 35:25 Finally, the following citation demonstrates that there were Muslims who had no problem in accepting all of the OT Psalms as revelation: Then Allah, may He be glorified and honored, revealed to Da'ud (David), the Psalms, that is al-zabur, which are ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY in number and IN THE HANDS OF THE JEWS AND CHRISTIANS. (Abu 'l-Faraj Muhammad ibn Ishaq al-Nadim, The Fihrist - A 10th Century AD Survey of Islamic Culture, edited and translated by Bayard Dodge [Great Books of the Islamic World, Inc., Columbia University Press, 1970], p. 43; bold and capital emphasis ours) Although this source erroneously attributes all 150 Psalms to David, this nonetheless demonstrates that some Muslims wholeheartedly embraced and accepted all of the OT Psalms as God's revealed Word. Hence, not only does the Quran say that Allah personally wrote the Psalms, but it also says that the Psalms were given to other Prophets besides David!! Therefore, since Zawadi believes that the law was corrupted, and yet since David believed that the law was perfect and flawless, then he has basically shown that the Quran is wrong and corrupted as well! Amazing! If David says that the law of God is perfect and then the Quran claims that Allah wrote the Psalms through David then this means that both Allah and the Quran are liars based on Mr. Zawadi’s fantastic research! F00028: Jesus gave authority to the Law in the GospelsMr. Zawadi’s argument becomes more humorous by the second. He claims that: However, you cannot use the Bible to prove the Bible has not been corrupted. This is just circular reasoning.Now since he is such a master of logical fallacies, it apparently never occurred to him that on the flip side: You cannot use the Bible to prove that the Bible is corrupted for this would also be circular reasoning. Why is it okay to use the Bible in his argument, but then call the very same reasoning circular if used by Christians to prove the exact opposite? If Mr. Zawadi objects to this then why does he say in his conclusion below: Well either Jeremiah 8:8 is a true verse and the Bible is corrupted or Jeremiah 8:8 is a corrupted verse but it is in your Bible so your Bible is still corrupted!It is obvious that he is using a circular argument by using the Bible against the Bible, but won’t allow Christians to use the Bible on behalf of the Bible. Mr. Zawadi seems to be ignorant of the fact that Bible ISN’T ONE BOOK, but a collection of many books brought together from over a span of 3000 years as one authoritative source from God. Hence, it isn’t circular reasoning to use the Bible in defense of the Bible for in history as well as scientific study, different sources validating the same information is considered sufficient evidence. F00028: Even your own Quran says that Jesus came to confirm the LawLet’s look at what Jesus had to say about the law: "I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished." Matthew 5:18 Jesus claimed that the Torah as it exists would not pass away until all was fulfilled. Zawadi obviously may have a problem with this and may claim that since it comes from the Gospel it proves nothing. But the problem for him is that he has no Islamic source whatsoever from the time of Jesus that says something different. So basically Zawadi wants us to accept Muhammad and the Quran as more authentic sources of information on the life of Jesus, even though they came 600 years after Christ, and discard the documents that came from the first century period right around the time Christ actually lived! Let us now move on to the meaning of Jeremiah 8:8. After all, if Jeremiah 8:8 does not mean that the text of the Torah had been corrupted what then did Jeremiah mean by the statement that the lying pens of the scribes have falsified it? A careful reading of the context leads us to believe that Jeremiah was referring to the written commentaries of the scribes whereby they falsely interpreted the law of God, leading people astray by their traditions. A similar situation arose between Jesus and the scribes and Pharisees: "Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked, 'Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don't wash their hands before they eat!' Jesus replied, 'And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition?... Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: 'these people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.'" Matthew 15:1-3,6b-9 In a similar fashion, Jeremiah was rebuking the scribes for their traditions that were leading the people to reject the word of God. This can be seen from the passage that immediately follows verse 8: "The wise will be put to shame; they will be dismayed and trapped. Since they have REJECTED the word of the LORD, what kind of wisdom do they have.” Jeremiah 8:9 As we said earlier, it is pretty hard to reject God’s word if that word was no longer available! Thus, we see no evidence whatsoever that Jeremiah believed that the text of the Law had been corrupted. Since Zawadi has been trying to quote the Bible to prove that it is corrupted, it is time for us to return the favor. Here is what Zawadi’s false book says about its own text: [size=14pt]"Like as We sent down on the dividers Those who made the Quran INTO SHREDS. So, by your Lord, We would most certainly question them all, As to what they did." S. 15:90-93 Shakir[/size] Since he believes that the Quran is the word of God then he should obviously have no problem with the Quran claiming that there were those WHO SHREDDED IT! Islamic scholar Alphonse Mingana made the following interesting comments regarding these verses: [size=16pt]"Finally, if we understand correctly the following verse of Suratul-Hijr (xv. 90-91): 'As we sent down upon (punished) the dividers (of the Scripture?) who broke up the Koran into parts,' we are tempted to state that even when the Prophet was alive, some changes were noticed in the recital of certain verses of his sacred book. There is nothing very surprising in this fact, since Muhammad could not read or write, and was at the mercy of friends for the writing of his revelations, or, more frequently, of some mercenary amanuenses." (Mingana, "Three Ancient Korans", The Origins of the Koran - Classic Essays on Islam's Holy Book, ed. by Ibn Warraq [Prometheus Books, Amherst NY, 1998], p. 84; bold emphasis ours)[/size] Need we say more? to be continue.. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: According To Jesus Christ Being A Muslim Makes All The Difference! by plappville(f): 1:17pm On Jan 31, 2013 |
F00028: @PlappvilleGod would not allowed suche because it was not the case. Like i have said before, Arguing from the passage in Jeremiah 8 that the Torah is corrupted in its text would be going against the testimony of Jesus, against the testimony of the whole of God's prophets, and is an argument from silence, since it does not say so at all. The context makes it fully clear that this speaks about false interpretation and application of the word of God. For your Quranic reply, take ur time bro..I continue from DANIEL. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Man Was Not Created Black; Man Turned Black Due To Punishment And Suffering by plappville(f): 12:42pm On Jan 31, 2013 |
obadiah777: THAT PLAPPVILLE TOO LIKE HEATHEN TRADITIONS. BROS MUSKEETO I TROWAY SALUTE SIRYou are never sure of many things you say here in NL. You do not know me...na waoh for you oooo!!! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Man Was Not Created Black; Man Turned Black Due To Punishment And Suffering by plappville(f): 12:41pm On Jan 31, 2013 |
obadiah777: YOU DO ERR THINKING I ERR obadiah777: SCRIPTURE DO SAY, RED WINE GLADDENS THE HEART. YOU ERR NOT KNOWING RED WINE GLADDENS THE HEART ( PSALM 104 VS 15 ).Mr or abi na prophet Obadiah, where did you read me say i do not know  obadiah777: I AM DIVORCED FROM THE HOLIDAYS OF THIS WORLD. SCRIPTURE DO SAY GET OUT OF THE WAY OF THE GENTILES. PLAPPVILLE YOU CANNOT BE CELEBRATING VALENTINES DAY. I KNOW ON THAT DAY YOU ARE EXPECTING FLAWA AND SHOKOLATE SMHPlappville is free from all sort of Pagan feasts, Christmas, New year, Easter, Valantine, Dead Saint day, known as (halloween), birthday and more. You no dey see road well to read me on this forum Abi? Too much red wine maybe... |
| Christianity Etc › Re: According To Jesus Christ Being A Muslim Makes All The Difference! by plappville(f): 2:02am On Jan 31, 2013 |
F00028:It is very clear from the text that the scribes have corrupted the Law (first 5 books of the Old Testament). How did they corrupt it? With their mouths by giving false interpretations? No! They did so with their "pens". Meaning they altered the text of the Law. How else could a pen corrupt somethingHahahaha, Bassam Zawadi has been refuted correctly, there is no cough of him again on this issue. See it: Even the stork in the sky knows her appointed seasons, and the dove, the swift and the thrush observe the time of their migration. But my people do not know the requirements of the LORD. "`How can you say, "We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely? the wise will be put to shame; they will be dismayed and trapped. SINCE THEY HAVE REJECTED THE WORD OF THE LORD, WHAT KIND OF WISDOM DO THEY HAVE? Jeremiah 8:8-9 Even the stork in the heavens knows her times; and the turtledove, swallow, and crane keep the time of their coming; but my people know not the ordinance of the LORD. "How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie. The wise men shall be put to shame, they shall be dismayed and taken; lo, THEY HAVE REJECTED THE WORD OF THE LORD, and what wisdom is in them? Jeremiah 8:8-9 RSV One who looks at the immediate context will see that God poses a question to show why the false scribes cannot claim to be wise, and in verse 9 he answers that question by saying BECAUSE THEY REJECTED THE WORD OF THE LORD (HIS LAW). In light of such rejection, WHAT TYPE OF WISDOM COULD THEY CLAIM TO HAVE? We see that there is no mention that these scribes corrupted the Bible. If verse 8 was claiming that the law was corrupted then why is God calling it his word in verse 9? This is something Mr. Zawadi has failed to address. F00028: Jeremiah 26:4 says that God stillGod will not command His children to follow a corrupt law, He will not allow such, this is where Zawadi's argument remained blind.. Read the bold yourself...assumption is baseless....: I will post verse that proved that when God talk about the prophets, This include Moses bro...don't be decieved by Zawadi. [size=14pt]This does not necessarily have to beWhen confronted with an obvious kryptonite response to his argument Mr. Zawadi must now revert to the typical Islamic misinformation by claiming “oh well, it doesn’t actually refer to the Law of Moses”. So let’s assume that he believes that it was referring to the revelations God sent down to Jeremiah, this is still going to work against Mr. Zawadi, for the very verse he tries to use in his defense, Jeremiah 26:4, backfires against him: Jeremiah 26 4 Say to them, 'This is what the LORD says: If you do not listen to me and follow my law, which I have set before you, 5[size=14pt] and if you do not listen to the words of my servants the prophets, whom I have sent to you again and again [/size](though you have not listened) 6 then I will make this house like Shiloh and this city an object of cursing among all the nations of the earth. As you can clearly see, this passage mentions that: 1. You must follow the law, which God sent down WHICH WAS BEFORE JEREMIAH (eliminating any chance that this only refers to Jeremiah since many prophets came before him). 2. You must listen to the words of God’s servant’s the prophets, which God had sent over and over again. So based on this passage, the law God was referring to is that which preceded Jeremiah and the words of the prophets refers to the message that God sent Israel throughout their history, calling them to repent and turn back to the law in order to avoid its wrath. Mr. Zawadi’s entire argument crumbles before our very eyes and his explanation falls flat on his face. Again, see how Mr ZAWADI atricle misled you: F00028:[size=14pt]This does not necessarily have to bemalachi 4:4 Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments. This same corrupt law is to be remembered?...get knowledge and stop running around ZAWADI'S ARTICLES. Jesus also instructed His disciple to put in practice this corrupt law?Matthew 23: 2 The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. 3 So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. Do you know what it means by "MOSES SEAT"? when you sit on that seat, you have no right to interpret the scrolls, you just read what is in it to the hearing of the people. That is why Jesus told his disciple, "So you must obey them and do everything they tell you." But once they are no longer siting on the seat, they do things different from what they read in the scroll. So this Book was not tempered with, hence, Jesus wouldn't use it likewise other prophets before Him. In Nehemiah, chapter 8 we find that Ezra reads the Law to the people of Israel for a whole week, day after day. For example in verses 8, 13-14, and 18. This is in about 430 B.C. about 180 years after Jeremiah's temple address which took place in 609 or 608 B.C., the first year of the reign of king Jehoiakim (see Jeremiah 26:1). In Malachi 4:4, God tells the people to follow the Law. Again mr ZAWADI says: F00028: This is irrelevant because Christians areActually Mr. Zawadi is wrong again. Let’s reiterate what he said earlier: He said: Jeremiah 26:4 says that God still commanded them to follow the Law. How could this be if the Law has been corrupted? Mr ZAWADI: This does not necessarily have to be referring to the Law of Moses. It's possible it could be referring to the revelations that God had sent down to Jeremiah. e.g.. Jeremiah Chapter 7 and 36But what does Jeremiah 26:4-6 say:If you do not listen to me and follow MY LAW, WHICH I HAVE SET BEFORE YOU, AND if you do not listen to the words of MY SERVANTS THE PROPHETS, whom I have sent to you again and again (though you have not listened) As you can see, both the law AND THE WORDS OF THE PROPHETS were considered equal in God’s eyes, therefore prophets like Ezra and Malachi wouldn’t be following a corrupted law, and their words would be the very words of God himself. Also Mr. Zawadi doesn’t explain to us how this is irrelevant, because apparently he doesn’t know. Claiming that Christians are assuming that Nehemiah and Malachi are from God as the grounds to reject their testimony as irrelevant IS BASED ON HIS ASSUMPTION THAT JEREMIAH IS FROM GOD AND NEHEMIAH AND MALACHI AREN’T FROM GOD. In other words, he accepts Jeremiah 8:8 as God’s word, as trustworthy enough to prove that the law was corrupted. Yet, when other writers and prophets prove him wrong, or show that he has no clue what he is talking about, since that verse doesn’t say that the text of the Law was corrupted, he then rejects their testimony on the basis that they are not prophets and their views are therefore not necessarily true! If Mr. Zawadi wants to reject Christian thinking because of their assumption, how can he answer our supposed assumption WITH ANOTHER ASSUMPTION? He has committed the fallacy of begging the question, calling Christian thinking irrelevant without proving it irrelevant other than assuming that Jeremiah 8:8 is more trustworthy than all the other verses in the Bible, and even more reliable than the rest of the statements of Jeremiah that happen to explain what Jeremiah 8:8 does and does not mean! That's like answering a question with another question. I will come to you with the rest refuting when am chanced, becareful of ZAWADI'S Articles. Im just loving this because He contradict and confused himself. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Rosary No More!! Why I Stopped Praying The Rosary!! by plappville(f): 12:29am On Jan 31, 2013 |
Pacify: Because you do not believe in all the trash you wrote does not mean everyone must follow suit. And because of your lack of faith and disparity, you have not been endowed with the blessings of praying the rosary. If you must know, the CAtholic church still remains the single, most populated religion in the whole world with an estimated ONE BILLION people so as far as the Church is concerned, you are just an insignificant few. And as for the rosary that you ignorantly spoke about, I as a person, has been blessed beyond compare from praying the rosary. I don't have to defend God or fight you over your ignorance, but one thing I must tell you is that neither the Bible, Rosary nor even Jesus Christ can heal you or grant you your heart request if you have no faith. I pray the rosary and I can categorically tell you that I have received EVERY SINGLE THING I ever prayed for through it.Luke 12:32"Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father has been pleased to give you the kingdom. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Rosary No More!! Why I Stopped Praying The Rosary!! by plappville(f): 12:24am On Jan 31, 2013 |
hillsate: Guy, I am not CONTRACDICTING myself about the ROSERY. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Rosary No More!! Why I Stopped Praying The Rosary!! by plappville(f): 12:21am On Jan 31, 2013 |
ijawkid: The cartholics didn't write d bible did they??[size=16pt]Gbam gbam and gbam...finish matter! [/size] 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The More You Look Caucasian, The More Success You Have. Use The Bible To Explain by plappville(f): 11:55pm On Jan 30, 2013 |
obadiah777: LMAO I SHALL HAVE YOU KNOW I AM AN UNDILUTED ISRAELITE. STRAIGHT FROM JERUSALEM IN ANCIENT TIMES AND NIGERIA IN MODERN TIMESI can see you are a proud physical Israelite, You even proud pass the Pharisees...what are you still waiting for before relocating back to ur original fathers land?.... 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Man Was Not Created Black; Man Turned Black Due To Punishment And Suffering by plappville(f): 11:44pm On Jan 30, 2013 |
FXKing2012: Pls when are you going to learn to ignore that ruminant called obadiah777, dont you see he's depleting your value?Don't you mind, i know how to handle him, We know where our discussion migrated from. Obadiah, can be funny when he is high with red wine. That is when one will notice, He do err... |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Man Was Not Created Black; Man Turned Black Due To Punishment And Suffering by plappville(f): 11:37pm On Jan 30, 2013 |
obadiah777:And you continue to err... err... err all the time... |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Man Was Not Created Black; Man Turned Black Due To Punishment And Suffering by plappville(f): 11:36pm On Jan 30, 2013 |
obadiah777:You no dey tire...? |
Does that scripture mention trouser? Even if you're reading it to mean trouser and skirts, doesn't women have female trouser? [/size] Besides, isn't that written to the Jews? The New Testament ONLY supports moderations and doesn't tell women what to wear or what not to wear. I do NOT by any means teach that a woman should dress n.aked but that scripture was between God and the Jews. If you're gonna obey that scripture, you'll need to read the WHOLE passage and follow other laws in the same passage. Besides, which is better - To wear trouser to church or not wear to church BUT wear outside the church during the week? 
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