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ijawkid: But my bro na true na......

Peter and paul says Jesus was raised in the spirit not in the flesh.....

E be like them dey contradict Jesus....

But there is an explanation as to why Jesus could be felt and touched and culd even eat bread with his apostles after his ressurection...

Angels have done that in d past.....angels although beÍng spirits did materialize and stayed among men....ate with them too......

Spirit crÉatures or sons( angels)had d abiltyy to materialÍze and de-materialize when necessary....

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There's sometin that baffles me...

How culd Jesus if raised in d flesh pass thru thick wall......Jesus did pass thru a locked room to see d disciples.....

Something only spirit creatures can do...

Interesting.....waooh am watching and learning !!!

http://youtu.be/ZSf2q3AQbqc

Watch this video and see for urself a different view of what we believed "BRON AGAIN" mean, isn't what it means.

Boomark: I don't know what comes to the mind when people who believe in trinity read chapters like this:

John 20:17. Jesus said to her 'do not cling to me for i have not yet ascended to my Father; but go to my brethren and say to them, I am ascending to my Father and your Father, and to MY GOD AND YOUR GOD.'
they said He has not entered heaven that time. Ok how about this one in ephesians?

Eph 1:17. That THE GOD OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST, The Father of glory, may give you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him.
We all know that the Head of man is Christ and the Head of Christ is God(1Cor11:3). And people are still holding fast to trinity.

1Tim2:5. For there is only one God and one mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus.

Why not ask your self, does the bible contradict its self? Why would the verses above tell me some thing different from the trinity i believe in? Don't cloud your judgment with what you are told to believe.

My broda, it is the spirit of pride. trinitarians wouldn't want to believe they have been lied to. This video gave a clear historical details of the trinity doctrine.
I onced believed it without know why. But because i want to know the truth so i can be set free, i had to search for the the truth. The truth is the bible not what men think of Jesus.
I wouldn't want to fit this verse below.

mark 7:7 But in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Exodus 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Pack declears that God plainly commands the rejection of the trinity in this verse.

Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: He also made reference to this verse that completely condermn the trinity. God is one not 3 in one.

"Isaiah 44:6 Beside me there is no God" One "GOD" firmly, not one "BEIGN"

Jesus again talking about Him been sent by God. John 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. We have never and cannot see God shape. Yet people believe God came to earth, thay confirm they have SEEN GOD.

John 1:18 No one has ever seen God. God's only Son, the one who is closest to the Father's heart, has made him known.

I strongly advise trinitarians to view this video from part 1 -6.

@Frosbel you are so right, the scripture is very clear on the socalled trinity doctrine. Jesus did not made Himself God, but men who twist the bible does.

Isaiah 5:21 Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!

Like the verse you qouted, At that time Jesus prayed this prayer: "O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, thank you for hiding these things from those who think themselves wise and clever, and for revealing them to the childlike. - Matthew 11:25


Can't they see that Jesus have to pray to God who is greater than him? The trinitarian Doctrine has a strong spirit holding those who have failed to believe who Christ says he"IS".

Like you say, God will open our eyes.

John 13:16 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.

We see in many verses that Jesus tells us that He was sent by God, He clearly stated here that God that "sent" Him is greater, in order worlds, He is lesser than God because he is the "servant of God"

John 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, [b]is greater than all;[/b]and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

Jesus saying God is greater than all, including himself.

[size=16pt]Christ told us he was sent by his Father/God, We ought to believe he was sent.

These videos clearly explains the pagan origin of the Trinity.[/size]

akaazua: That is good counsel my brother. My only fear and concern is whether you are indwelled by the same Holy Spirit as Paul was when the mystery of the rapture was revealed to him in 1thess4:13-18 and 1cor15:51-53.
Is it the same Spirit that Stephen was filled with when the doctrine of trinity was demonstrated before him or another spirit operating through you? He saw Jesus by the side of the Father while the Holy Spirit was with him (Trinity). Acts7:56
Brother there should be no contradiction between you and other preachers who are filled with the Holy Spirit if it is the same Spirit except it is not the same spirit.
So you have counted the teaching on tithe false just because your wife is not comfortable with it! Malac3;10-12 will still continue to be valid as long as the house of the Lord is in existence; so there will be meat in his house. God bless you

I am in no way against tithing, but i am against the way it is been forced on people who do not even have income. It should be a free wll thing. But if tithe as one of the old law still progresing in the church, what stops the 4th commandment? Can you tell me why you obey the 9 others and not the 4th?,


And God spoke all these words, saying: “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
Israel was chosen as a light to other nations, God gave them His laws, these laws today are no longer effective with christians. Does it means that God has change or has a different law with the gentiles?


You shall have no other gods before me.
You shall not make for yourself any carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
[size=16pt]Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. [/size]In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.
You shall not murder.
You shall not commit adultery.
You shall not steal.
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”

Remember, Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath-Luke 6:1-11 yet we still dont observe it, I had love to see where Jesus talk about TITHE, that seem to be the LCM of most churches today.

haibe: My bro at least use your sense(dnt mean to be rude)
My son in faith as paul says would mean timothy could also say my father in faith which is equivalent to my spiritual father.

Also, My Father who is greater than i, would also mean, My son who is lesser than i. Greater for God and Lesser for Jesus.

No be me talk am oo, na our lord Jesus Christ talk am but Bros Olaa no agree with am

John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

OLAADEGBU: What does it mean to call Jesus the Son of God?

Does the title Son of God, imply that Jesus Christ is different than God? No. The Scriptures states that our Lord Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God (John 3:16), while true Christians are adopted sons of God (Romans 8:15-17). If you are born again you are called adopted sons of God because we are different from God and must become His children (hence, adopted, not begotten). Our Lord Jesus Christ is not called adopted because He never became God's Son, but has always been God's Son. Calling Jesus the only begotten Son of God means that He is of the same nature as God, not a different nature. Below is C.S. Lewis attempt to explain this truth:

"To beget is to become the father of: to create is to make. And the difference is this. When you beget, you beget something of the same kind as yourself. A man begets human babies, a beaver begets little beavers, But when you make, you make something of a different kind from yourself. A bird makes a nest, a beaver builds a dam . . . Now that is the first thing to get clear. What God begets is God; just as what man begets is man. What God creates is not God, just as what man makes is not man. That is why men are not Sons of God in the sense that Christ is. They may be like God in certain ways, but they are not things of the same kind."

There is a clear distinction between making and begetting, that is, you cannot make what you beget. What you make is different from yourself, what you beget has your nature. Therefore to call Jesus the only begotten Son is to say that He has God's nature and was not made. Since He has God's nature, He is, by definition, God and therefore eternal. If Jesus was created by God, He could not have been begotten, and John 3:16; 1:18, 1 John 4:9, etc. are in error.

Therefore, when the Bible says that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God, it means that Jesus is equal to God, not less than God. QED

Bros u sabi argue pointlessly no be small, the worse is than, you begin to contradict urself. you said Jesus is equal to God not lesse right?
Ok see what he says again.

Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
According to Jesus, He is telling us that his
Father = Greater, when something is greater then,the other must be lesser/smaller
Jesus/I= Lesser/smaller. If Jesus openly tells us that There is one who is greater than him, the only one who knows the date of his second coming. Who are you to contradict?

I no know why you dey keep blind eyes from these well written words of Christ. Anyway, you can believe that everyone is against you.
Because we are trying to make you see the errors in the trinity dogman, You have claimed to be the one that speak the truth and have lebelled us names.

OLAADEGBU: [size=16pt]Blind Hearts[/size]
September 19, 2012

"Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart." (Ephesians 4:18 ).

It is a tragedy for a person to have blinded eyes, but infinitely worse to have a blinded heart. No one ever willfully chooses to be sightless, but spiritual blindness is a product of the human will.

After Christ had given sight to the man born blind, the Pharisees still refused to believe, so Jesus said to them, "For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind. . . . If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth" (John 9:39, 41).

Like these ancient intellectuals, it often seems that modern intellectuals are incurably blind. They profess to teach science and philosophy of the highest complexity, but their understanding is darkened and their hearts are blinded when it comes to the saving gospel of Jesus Christ. As Paul says: "If our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them" (2 Corinthians 4:3-4).

Even very religious people, people who believe in God as Creator, may blind themselves when confronted with the truth that the Creator must also become their Saviour. "But their minds were blinded . . . even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart" (2 Corinthians 3:14-15).

Nevertheless, Christ came as "the light," and when anyone will simply in faith "turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away" (2 Corinthians 3:16), and the gospel will "shine unto them" (2 Corinthians 4:4). HMM

For more . . . .

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Do you think your heart is not blind by saying Jesus was not the author of John 14:28?

Chist existed before He came to earth, He is a special One/Son of God. The bible clearly shows that God used to glorify Christ before. God sent Jesus to earth. God cannot send himself msg. He cannot Die, He cannot be tempted By Satan. If Jesus had even Told his Disciples that He is the almighty God, they might even be the ones to stone him to death. The truth is all over in the scripture. Why guessing or trying to Say "Because Jesus was on earth, He was limited". The catholic has thier own way to twist the "househood baptism" as their excuse of INFANT Baptism. Let the bible interprets itself.

ijawkid: Hey u just contradicted urself again nigga.....

U were d same person who said Jesus is the Father(Yahweh)...

Have u forgotten so quickly...??.

According to ur shaky stance:::::::

If the Father is not d son then it means they are different persons[/b]and that explains why Jesus didn't know when d end will come,but d Father knew.......

U just answered d question by yourself....

Ola ur such a confused being.....

And that also means, The[b]"SON IS NOT THE FATHER", so i wonder wetin Bros dey argue here

ijawkid: Ur problem is that the ""I am"" ur calling isn't even Gods name....is it??

And u fail to understand that the word"" -I am"" also is rendered ""I will be"" ....that's if ur going by what Yahweh told moses @ exodus......

Now my question is ::::::

If u claim because Jesus said b4 abraham was ""I am" then that means he is God or Yahweh then why didn't he know when d end will come??

We are back to the status quo......

If d same Jesus who said b4 abraham was ""I am"" when on earth could not know when the end would come,then it means something is wrong.....

Then u need to define ""I am"" in that statement Jesus made to the pharisees...

Jesus said those words when on earth(of which u use to claim Jesus was Yahweh) but @ d same time Jesus didn't know something only the Father knew.....how do u ryhme that??

Bros dey find am difficult to accept the truth, its too open, even my 7 years old child will understand this.

OLAADEGBU: I guess all my response to you went over your head. I don't know the level of your English comprehension since you live in a francophone country but all I am trying to say is that Jesus was limited in knowledge while He was in the days of His flesh.

Oh, you want me to agree on what? And how does this affect me living in Francophone? You live in an English country and still find it difficult to understand English bible. Bros, if you need better understanding of the bible, U should use other languages as well. Back to topic hehehe.

Did Jesus said that His knowledge will be limited while He was Human and then after, resurraction His knowledge will be unlimited? How did u come with this guess? So the Demon that Called him "Son of God" also did that because He knew Christ was limited in human body? Luke 8:28 When he saw Jesus, he cried out and fell at his feet, shouting at the top of his voice, "What do you want with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I beg you, don't torture me!"

Apostle Peter also did not say He is GOD because Christ was limited? and Christ accepted his identity and bless Peter that it Was his FATHER that revealed it to Peter. How about that?

Matthew 16: 15“But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”

16Simon Peter answered, “[size=14pt]You are the Christ,b the Son of the living God.”[/size]

17Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, [size=14pt]but by my Father in heaven.[/size]

John 6:69 [size=14pt]We believe and know that you are the Holy One of God."[/size]

DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS BROS ENGLISH?? i FIND NO PLEASURE IN ARGUMENT

ijawkid: How could jesus not actually know when hÉ'll return becau§e he was in human form??

DiÐ he suffer from amnesia or because hÉ actually still didn't know b4 he descenÐed from heaven...??.

Did his been human stop him or limit his knowledge as to what he was in heaven, and what he knew b4 descending from heaven??


Íf Jesus didn't know d time when d end will come except d Father it simply means he didn't
know....shikena!!!

Jesus never begged for any1 to presume because he was human then he had memory loss.....

Jesus didn't know everything....
He follows instructions too

I could have known that someone has already adressed Bros this question. It seem very difficult for him to anwser in the other Trinity thread.

@Op, thanks for the reminder. More of it is needed, God bless.

frosbel: Deeper life is not the church, rccg is not the church , assemblies is not the church etc.

The church consists of the 'called out ones ' , which ARE those who have received a genuine experience of salvation by repentance from their past sins and been baptised with the Holy Spirit. They also go further by following the leading of the Holy Spirit unto perfection, they do not follow MEN.

They are scattered among various denominations, fellowships and private meetings , homes etc.

"Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To
God's elect, strangers in the world, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia" - 1 Peter 1:1


This is the church that Jesus promised to appear to , when 2 or 3 of them are gathered together in his name.

I have been in deeperlife for a number of years , and while they lay emphasis on bible study and prayer ,
they seem to follow MAN in too many cases , some are generally afraid to challenge doctrine and believe in a number of teachings and practices which are unbiblical . examples tithing , trinity, rapture etc.


My wife stopped going to deeperlife afetr she despaired of being cursed every sunday from malachi 3:9 , which ends like this " You are under a curse
— your whole nation—because you are robbing me"

We just were not convicted to pay any tithes and could
no longer remain because of this constant issue of having to dwell under a curse .

I also tried to challenge some doctrines and was told that they were all bible teachings and 100% accurate. That's just plain arrogance in my opinion.

So deeper life is fine in some respects , but they need to stop worshipping MAN and follow Jesus, maybe then they will correct many of their false doctrrines.

Sad , but those so called MOG are just charlatans , they do not have the interest of God's children at heart. Tithing has been done away with , anybody who preaches this doctrine of devils should repent urgently.

We need to start reading our bibles for ourselves , repent of our sins, ask God for wisdom and follow the leading of the Holy Spirit, not a MAN of GOD.

"because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God." - Romans 8:14

Waoo Frosbel, so u were a "Worker" ? Iys not easy to obtain this role in deeper life ooo hahahaha. I use to go but then but i was not a full memeber. My Mum is. She made me follow her down, after listenin to thier sermon, i do trust they were a true bible gardering church. The Head of the church Kumuyi is A very humble Man. Apart from the pressure of tithe and the way thier members react with the ""do not be of equal yoke with unbelievers" verse. They look at you in the church like if u are carrying some bondle of sin. Expecially when u put earings or braclets and do not tie ur head together with ur ear. This look can scare away some one who is seeking to know God for the first time. As for the secret Rapture, i do not know what they teach about Rapture.

Plz Frosbel. More light on the Rapture. I had love to be convince with biblical verses. Thank u.

k2039: There is infact no single similarity between both of them

They are the opposite!!


@Topic, the God of the christians is the God of Jesus Christ. He is a God of Love and Peace just like Jesus demostrated when He came to earth.

The Allah of the Muslims is the Allah of Muhammed.
Allah is a god of "war" and hate" Muhammed was the servant, so he set a good example to his followers of Allahs true Image.

So they are two different thing entirely.

frosbel: What a most confused fellow !

Am sorry, but this can also be "pride" Jesus did not contradict Himself.
@Olaagbu did by misinterpretion.

OLAADEGBU: This is to answer objections and oppositions from the adherents of Cults and false religions that are against both the deity of Christ Jesus and the doctrine of the Godhead otherwise known as the Holy Trinity.



If after reading this you still don't come to the knowledge of truth then know that you have been deceived and are set out to deceive others.

with this ur responds, You have refused to have commited error by wrong interpreting a particular verse. Or have made us known that. Jesus was not refering to himself as the Son that does not "KNOW" the Date of his second coming. God knows all. But Jesus told us he do not "Know all". So how is He then God?

[quote author=Bélla3]dating, courtship anyone. Dnt tel me christians are supposed to marry without thinking or getting to knw each other![/quote]How many married christian couples do you know that just "think" during dating.

The truth is so bitter, its hard to find the ones that truely abstain from "ex befor marriage.

The majority brodas today are fornicators. They live thier Chriatian life in pretence.

Inviting a sister to ur house for a drink, after that the progress. When Broda has gotten whT he wants. He will cut off communicating. By the time the despirate sister might ve involved with 3-5 brodas in same church, all in the name of getting married. She will start confessing. We shouldnt pretend. I have alot of single sisters that are victims. Pastors are even aware.

Omo Alata: Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

This is so true, but what happens when one spouse get converted during marriage? Should the one that found Christ divorce if He/she has to hold on this this verse?

Paul by his own words gave us advice on this. But i would like you to say something, thank you.

HumbledbYGrace: If you are one of the many Christian singles dating an unbeliever, save yourself additional troubles by getting out of the dating relationship as soon as possible.

Why should a Christian date? And what happen during date? They look at each other? A christian should Marry at once not dating.

He has not aswered many questions, reposting a lenghty article does not give an accurate answere. Bros cannot tell me that Jesus lied that He himself does not know the date of his 2rd coming. He has refused to tell us why the Demon did not Call Jesus "GOD", but "son of the most high God" the demonsa were once angels, they know heavely things before they were cast down with Satan.

OLAADEGBU: I hope this article settles it for you.

No sir u are shying aware from answering it. You said Jesus "Knowing all"

So how do you explain what Jesus said in this verse.

Mark 13:32 "But of that day and that hour ((knows no man, no, not the angels who are in heaven, neither the Son, but the "Father".

Who is the SON he was talking about that does not know the Day? And who is the only "Fathar" that knows? Dont post article just give me a simple answer please.
I humbly want to know ur exact answer. Thank you.