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OLAADEGBU:

The Son Is God: 

Jesus is also explicitly called "God" in scripture (Titus 2:13; Heb.1:8.). And He, too, has all the attributes of deity – including being everywhere-present (Matthew 28:20), all-knowing (Matthew 9:4), all-powerful (Matthew 28:18), holy (Acts 3:14), and eternal (Revelation 1:8, 17).

ijawkid: Oh my dear sister....

Why u get sense like this??

I'ma get u a gift for this fine salient explanation.....

§hake my hands jÀre

2good: You indeed have a problem. Islam was created around 625 AD meaning Mohammed came 625 years after Jesus died. Can't you see that you need to educate yourself properly and stop allowing religious bigotry to becloud your judgement. The religion the old prophets practiced is Judaism

plaetton: According to the gospels, shortly before his death on the cross, Jesus asked god to forgive those that crucified him because they did not know what they were doing.

In typical fashion,christians are always quick to make reference to this act of forgiveness.
But when I think about this, I am puzzled by its broader implications.

So, do you really think that god forgave those that crucified Jesus?

frosbel: Thank you for your good explanation.

Also , remember the Father always spoke through Jesus and therefore we can infer that because Jesus is the WORD of GDO breathed or brought into being by the Spirit , then the very words he spoke were as from God himself.

"Jesus answered, "My teaching is not my own. It comes from him who sent me." - John 7:16

proo212: No but its only a few extremists who give Islam a bad image.

brainpulse: John 8:58 - Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”

If he was 100% man then how come he existed before abraham that was long dead before his arrival.

OLAADEGBU: I guess you, Ifeness and the likes are surely independent thinkers that don't rely on other influences.

logicboy: Keep scaring yourselves with stupid conspiracies;

-do you reject a hotel room if the room number is 666?
-do you reject a student number or employee number if it is student/employee 666?

I remember when idiots were praying all day in june 2006. 06-06-06.

uchkochi: HE THAT FINDS A WIFE, FINDS A GOOD THING AND OBTAINS FAVOUR FROM THE LORD. IT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE MAN TO FIND AND IT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE WOMAN TO BE FOUND.The woman have to be findable. This message is intended in teaching a woman how to be findable so that she can be found.

He that finds a wife, finds a good thing and obtains favour from the LORD. Proverbs 18:22. The bible says He that finds a wife, not a girl or a lady but a WIFE. The bible calls a woman a wife even before she marries. This implies that wives are easily found, it is wives that are findable. It is the responsiblity of the woman to train herself to becoming a wife even before she gets married. The outward appearance of a woman is not what makes her a wife, it is the content of her mindset that makes her
a wife. Real men identifies a WIFE when they see one. Husbands recognises wives when they see one. Wives are responsible, they are purposeful, they don't move around, they are findable. If a wife is not in a relationship you will know, when she is you will know, because she is committed. She is not confused about who to marry, she knows who to marry.

It is time for women to know how to position themselves so that they can be found, the earlier they do so, the better. A man can find even at 50, but a woman has a particular time when she could easily be found. Many highly placed, affluent unmarried ladies are making themselves unfindable. This has nothing to do with their wealth or position but it has to do with their mindset and their attitude. For instance, where do you find them, they are always in high places, you cannot see them in ordinary places, what if her husband happen to always visit the ordinary places most of the time. They tend to attract men of their status and class who may not be their husbands, they need to slow down, How can a woman that does not leave the house be found? how can a woman that is so busy with her career and does not have time to go to the right places be found? God brought Eve to Adam in the garden, there was a meeting spot. A lady that is always seen with men(ordinary friends) is not making herself findable. A lady that cannot take herself out sometimes is not making herself findable. For a woman to be findable she must always treat and carry herself as a wife. A wife dresses smart, good and not seductive. A wife fears God. A wife starts praying for her husband even when he has not found her. A wife is lovely and a help-meet indeed. When a woman is findable she will easily be found by her husband. Delay in marriage most times is not the devil, but ignorance, the devil only takes advantage of the ignorant. Finally as I begin to round up, A WIFE IS DOWN TO EARTH NO MATTER WHAT SHE HAS OR DOES NOT HAVE. It is my prayer that things becomes easy for anyone reading this message through KNOWLEDGE IN JESUS PRECIOUS NAME. BB PIN IS 21322745.

obadiah777: HE IS PART RIGHT AND PART WRONG. A WOMAN CAN TEACH BUT SHE CAN ONLY TEACH WOMEN AND CHILDREN 1 TIMOTHY 2 VS 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.

danwo: ^^^

All are called without discrimination

Therefore said he unto them, The harvest truly is great, but the labourers are few: pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he would send forth labourers into his harvest

Let your women keep silence in the churches?:
for it is not permitted unto them to speak;
but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law
- 1 Corinthians 14:34 KJV

1 Corinthians 14:34 quoted above is another scripture apart from 1 Timothy 2:8-15
quoted below ruined by the ill-informed

⁸I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.
⁹In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety;
not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
¹⁰But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
¹¹Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
¹²But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the
man, but to be in silence.
¹³For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
¹⁴And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
¹⁵Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing,
if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
- 1 Timothy 2:8-15 KJV
1 Corinthians 14:34 is a glaring and obvious rebutting where Paul was repeating the ridiculous the "Pharisees" were implying.

The legalists were hiding behind a synagogue law that women should be silent in church.

1 Timothy 2:8-15 is interesting on its own too. The cherry picking is nauseating.

If living by verses, then curiously, how much of 1 Timothy 2:8-15 is lived by?

1 Timothy 2:8 makes one wonder how many "men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting"

How many men live by verse 8? Pfftt.

Anyway, 1 Timothy 2:9-15 initially set off with "women" (i.e. women in general)

then at verse 11 got toned down to "woman" (i.e. a matrimonial woman)

The dynamics in verses 9-10 were seen suitable or appropriate and so advised the former (i.e. "women")

Verses 11-12 however are altogether a different story and matter

(i.e. verses 11-12 was an "opportunity-to-add" moment to include the woman (i.e.
the matrimonial woman) in Paul's letter/discussion)

Where verses 9-10 were advised for a general setup, gathering or church context,


verses 11-12 was written with a matrimonial arrangement in mind.

This is evident where hinted that the woman (i.e. the matrimonial woman) should not usurp authority over the man (i.e. the matrimonial man)

It is important to note that Paul deliberately did not write "the women" but wrote "the woman"

"Usurp authority over the man" is actually about a past event which would have been unnecessary if the correct conduct was followed

Paul was advising that the woman (i.e. the matrimonial woman) could learn from another woman's mistake; Eve's (i.e. an earlier matrimonial woman)

The woman; Eve did not "learn in silence with all subjection"

Without authority or right, the woman; Eve

took the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good & Evil and gave the man; Adam

and the man; Adam allowed the woman (i.e. Eve, his wife) to teach him eat the fruit.

Verses 11-12 are about the woman in a Godly home and not about women or the woman in a large group, corporate, world etc setting.

okeyxyz: Some bible references:
1 Timothy 2:1-14, 1 Cor 11:3-16, 1 Cor 14:34-35

All speak about women yielding spiritual authority to men. Spiritual authority is not really about following doctrine because anybody can follow knowlegde/instruction, but it's more about making doctrine as it fits the time and circumstances. Anybody who assumes this position has to be able to exercise an independent, dominant mind besides following the spirit, He has to be able to decide when to apply a spiritual principle/message and when to disregard them, in other words he needs to exercise control over the spirit rather than being lead blindly by it. Now the male gender having the more logical/crafty mind is
naturally built for this role unlike the female which is more emotional/sentimental/pliable.
This is why i believe god does not hold the woman responsible in a congregation with men, the men must answer to god. If you remember the story of adam & eve, you'd
recall that eve did eat the "forbidden fruit" first but it was as if nothing happened, as if it didn't matter. But when adam took the same "fruit", that was when "all hell broke loose".
I hope this brief illustration paints the picture. I can respond to further questions.

okeyxyz: @ATMC, It is a spiritual principle that has just carried on to the physical, but it's true significance is in it's spiritual impact. The head is the seat of authority and will, so a woman covering her head either with long hair or head-cover signifies that she is deferring to the man, she has no "authority" of her own. This is why societies are naturally patriarchal and it's values defined by men. She is the glory of the man means she "empowers" him & brings him wealth/fruits/reputation. You can rate the "statue" of a man by the women around him. Therefore the manner of women in a society is a testimony("glory" of the values of it's men. This is why a woman should not be an apostle, prophet, evangelist, teacher & pastor to decide spiritual rules. Anybody who does otherwise is simply practicing false doctrine.

rhymz: hahahahah. . . You know the problem with Naija Christians, they just follow verbatim traditions and culture whose origins they do not know or understand, the few that manage to do would rather live a lie than tell themselves the truth.
In one hand, Paul comes with a generic form of gnostic interpretation of Jesus's death and ressurection and then throws away the Jewish laws under the bus, saying your plate has been wiped clean the moment you believe that the Murder and fairy tale ressurection of Jesus was because of a sin you don't know when you committed. He goes ahead to say 4ck the jewish laws, you are saved by grace and not by work, for you get to commit sin by knowing the laws, the Jewish laws of course. He says 4uck these laws, Jesus abolished it but then, those greedy church fathers with an intention to cheat, decieve and control people en mass go around cherry picking from these same laws they once taught to their congregation is abrogated, dismissed, wiped clean, discarded and so on,
on the cross of calvary like they claim. Judaic laws like tithing for the Levites and its hig
h priest are not discarded, Christ did not die for Pastor Oyedepo to stop collecting tithe that has given him up to 4 jets. . Lol. . Sabbath day, that is as jewish as it comes, is also
not part of the law that christ got murdered for since it will reduce monies from entering the church coffers giving that sabbath day is when every rogue, pretender and jerk goes
to church for the normal spiritual rituals of no significance. These aspects of the laws
have to be circumvented, there has to be a way to keep quoting the Jewish prophet, Malachi to get these congregational goons to keep donating the millions to the pastor's bossom.
Anyway, it's man's nature to want to make a God out of the limitations of his
intelligence.

Ptolomeus: Wise words.
1. No Jew would accept an African as other Jews ... The Jews are Jews, Africans are Africans.
2. I'm not God, so do not rest on Saturdays. mitate what God supposedly did is an insult.
My respects.

JeSoul: Me I just want to say hi to my sister Plappville

ps. the pastor probably means well but he is misguided.

okeyxyz: Women cannot hold spiritual authority in church. Cannot be Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists, Pastors, Teachers, Bishops. Please note that gift of prophesy is different from the office of prophesy. Also note my emphasis on "spiritual", so I'm not saying women cannot perform other management or technical or higher disciplines like their male counterparts.

CrazyMan: Acts 8:18-22.  When Simon saw that the Spirit was given at the laying on of the apostles' hands, he offered them money 19 and said, "Give me also this ability so that everyone on whom I lay my hands may receive the Holy Spirit."

20 Peter answered: "May your money perish with you, because you thought you could buy the gift of God with money! 21 You have no part or share in this ministry, because your heart is not right before God. 22 Repent of this wickedness and pray to the Lord in the hope that
he may forgive you for having such a thought in your heart.
From the passage above, any pastor that asks you for money isn't a child of God. Jesus and his disciples
made sure they lived an exemplary life so we might follow in their footsteps.
Therefore flee from such people...cos they're lovers of money and not of God.

Ifyx: Wøw,different views..døn't knøw which 1 2 believe

ijawkid: I'm doing my part already to make 9ja a good place........I'm law abiding and I help my neighbours...

But I just told u a real fact...wether u got good intentions for 9ja or not[b],to rule this country u must be part of the ogboni frat....

Got it??

If not u'll be killed nigga...[/b].

Omo Alata: Who are the 'others'