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first for what?

whos in your profile this time?

So communism with its "rules from the top" approach is going to make nigerians inventive

no, im just saying that nigerian economy is not based on inventiveness, just drilling oil and selling it, ill explain how this is because of international capitalsim later.

Its easier to believe that than to accept that these are a set of natively intelligent individuals who use their understanding of human relations and the inner workings of power to devastating effect to enrich themselves.

what kind of person do you think i am? I am a entruapenure to the core, wealth redistrubution would not help me in anyway. Im just looking for things that will help Nigeria progress, That is my main concern. And i said earlier the kind of communism i'm talking about is not the sort that stifles creativity and tries to put everyone on the same level. Think more China, or Cuba and less N. Korea and Russia.

Money is not a finite resource and its value is only realised when given out. Create something they have to pay for and you'll get the money. simple.

What are you trying to say here? that the poor people just need to figure out a way to make the rich people pay them? 2 things wrong with this.
1. you cant make real money through employment, and most Africans cant save enough money from their jobs to start a real business that takes money the rich. This because they have to pay for food etc.

2. There aren't enough jobs in Nigeria, jobs are created by a middle class, who can make small businesses etc, and Nigeria barely has one. just extremely wealthy people and extremely poor people.

and through our capitalism system the poor get poorer and the rich get richer, communism (i'll call it socialism now) would free those poor people from poverty and turn them into a middle class that can create employment and small businesses that will power the economy.

I want to ask you, how many of Nigeria's elites are businessmen? the few that are are usually based abroad. overwhelminly Nigeria's wealthy are in politics, relatives of politicians, or involved in some other brainless activity. . .

kodewrita:
we are simply having a theoretical discussion. Communism will definitely never take root here.

haha, thats what they said in Russia.

Recessions are part of the cycle. Its a result of an imperfect market and not to be feared. It is the natural cycle. Communism itself is artificial in trying to artificially fix prices instead of allowing demand to control the price itself.

No, reccesions are just nature trying to correct itself.

I would rather we ensure equality in other areas education, medical care, power etc and leave the wealth issue. Each man deserves the fruit of his labor and we should not reward laziness. Making everyone equal will result in everyone being equally miserable. period.

I see you gave an indirect answer. You guys need to stop lying to yourself. Nigeria's economy is not based on anything inventive, ingenuitive or w/e The richest people in the country are usually also the dumbest. And by hording all the wealth they prevent money from reaching the poor inventive people who could use that money to build bussinesses and make employment which would create a nice mixed capitalist/communist economy.

When i said that i don't mean everyone in west Africa can speak it. i just mean you can find speakers in Nigeria, ghana, niger, berkina faso, sudan, chad etc.

^no, i only speak english 

Pweety4me:
[color=#550077]^^^Yea i'm bilingual [/color]

are you a cunning linguist also?

Pweety4me:
[color=#550077]^^Do you know my gf bf?[/color]

hmm. . i knew she was a bi.

the car has not been perfected. . . not even close. Izuogu, a Nigerian, made the cheapest car known to mankind the z-600 absolutely from scratch using indigenous materials. intended for mass production

he got 18mpg and a 86mph top speed all for 2000 usd.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izuogu_Z-600

I think its best to start as a teenager or in college, while your parents are still paying for food and everything. Im going to start full time next year, 18.

remember izeogu?

[quote author=aloy-emeka link=topic=738083.msg8946416#msg8946416 date=1313604456]Do we need to copy inventions made by oyibo in the 20th century?[/quote]this is just a kid who made a car. nothing more, nothing less.

people spend so much time on video games i think its time we consider it real

honestly, people spend so much time on the web that i don't think we can consider it fake anymore. its like literature.

No, its just that most of the people here are jokes.

dumb topic.

^ yea

[quote author=Negro_Ntns link=topic=737517.msg8947371#msg8947371 date=1313611663]Hold on, who are these foools talking nonsense about my people?

All these crap written in defense of Ojukwu, is that right? Well, I tell you what, take his cadaver to Ivory Coast for burial and that will be end of story.[/quote]

^ great post. people always peg what is "civilized" to what is done in the west. thus, whatever the west does is automatically seen an civilized even if its not neccesarily.

^6 six of the 8 posts you have made so far today have been about Igbos or igbo related issues. There you have it.

The most important point to remember is that contrary to popularly held beliefs, all men are NOT created equal!!! To treat everyone equal would mean demoting the hard working and talented whilst elevating the lazy and unproductive. This is a cold fact of life.

huh, that sounds a lot like Nigeria were the lazy and unproductive are the elite who govern the country. while the hard working are demoted to street urchins.

like i said earlier, capitalism is a system in which the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.* We simply cannot afford that in Africa because they are already people on the brink of hunger. Do you guys know how many young Nigerians have ideas that can create jobs and build up this country, but are held back by lack of money?

*[size=5pt]believe it or not this is not because rich people are somehow 'better' than poor people[/size]

it seems to me, that people are not debating with me, but rather debating against communism. like i said earlier[b] i[/b] am not advocating pure communism. Does it not occur to you guys that when stalin and lenin etc siezed private property and tried to equalize wealth, communism was in its early stages? it has matured since then into what we see in China, Cuba and some of the socialist countries. Communist ideals have been tempered with capitalism, much like capitalism in the U.S has been tempered with "communist" ideals like medicare.

1.The first flaw in the post is the assumption that any system of governance works without failings. Communism IS indeed evil,whilst on paper it sounds Utopian, in practise it is anything but. The basic tenet of Communism is wealth equalisation which can only be achieved by redistribution.

i hope you know that income disparity is the best indicator of the societal health of a country. . .

3.To implement a Communist system you would first need to seize any privately owned sizeable asset from the owners. Forgeting the stressed to death point of it removing incentive for innovation and economic productivity,how is it fair? You would in effect be robbing and criminalizing hard working achievers.

so China is "criminalizing hard working achevers"

4.Something else you need to consider is how Communism is always abused when and wherever it is implemented. Have you asked yourself who does the so called redistribution of wealth Have you also stopped to consider the dictatorial and tyrannical laws that are always enacted to facilitate Communism

you prefer jungle justice? And you need to consider how capitalism is always abused. Think about the 1930's depression, the 1981 reccesion the 2007 reccesion the SAP that ruined the entire economy of a continent, the failing Euro-zone, Fiat currency, debt etc. . .

i'm sorry no one answered this earlier. i'm not igbo so im not to sure but. . there are many ppl here who should know.

negro nts whats up with you? why are you so obseesed with igbos? especially this 'hebrew' stuff.

kodewrita:
The unanswered question: if communism is so good, why hasnt it worked elsewhere/anywhere?

The government and people of nigeria should simply focus on making laws that make people's lives happier

Let me say again, this is not about pure communism. Why is that when we talk about capitalism we bring up highly regulated liberal capitalism (like the U.S) but when communism is brought up we take it to the extreme?

There are no pure capitalsim nations, they have failed just like the communist ones did. Remember the great depression? that was caused by pure capitalism.

Places where liberal comunism has succeded are China, and the best example Cuba. You may think that Cuba is an awefull place but compare it to the rest of latin america the cubans live much better. The standard of living, and healthcare is better, the education and life expectancy is higher etc.

Why is China doing so much better than india? The answer is communism. India's democracy has bogged it down, While China's one party state has accelerated growth because they are able to make things happen without senseless beurocracy.

Nigeria is an example of where capitalsim is failing, we need to stop senselesly coping what people are doing in the west because our circumstances are too different. NIGERIA IS A RESOURCE BASED ECONOMY, most of our money comes from selling oil not the 'incentive' of the private sector, so redistrubing that wealth (not in the form of handouts) would improve the life on Nigerians thats a fact.
Once average ppl have access to money they can break the cycle of poverty and begin building bussinesses and creating jobs.

[quote author=Mrs.Chima link=topic=737549.msg8940393#msg8940393 date=1313552874]And you say you don't have the chat time. Hmm. Lying isn't your strongest suit eh?[/quote]

are u mixed?

they all have the same writing style!!!!!  

queen eve

Yes, my fiance is Igbo and we have known each other for approximately a year.  I know some people say that a year is not long enough, I always tell them I don't live on man time, I live on God's time and what God put together LET NO MAN PUT ASUNDER!  We are getting married in July and we are getting married in his village.  

His oldest sister already calls me lil sister!  She  love me and can't wait until I get pregnant and she teaching me all she know how to cook because she said, THE QUICKEST WAY TO A NIGERIAN MAN HEART IS THROUGH HIS STOMACH AND ON HIS OTHER HEAD,

Peace be with you
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[quote author=Mrs. Eve link=topic=558592.msg7270443#msg7270443 date=1291466214]Choir play A AND B selection for me please!  Okay, I guess what you saying Bavarian, BUT HOW THE HELL IS YOU GON tell THE SISTERS, THAT you hate when they act like OYINDOS, when you done upped and married you an OYINDO, so how the hell is the sisters having anything to do with you when you did not married a sister?  

The TOPIC is and was originally WHAT YOU CAN'T STAND IN YOUR RELATIONSHIP, not what you can't stand when somebody of another race PRETEND TO BE?  You can't pretend to be NOTHING that you are not, that is an illusion of what is not THERE, so in your relationship apparently you wouldn't like it if your oyindo wife didn't appreciate your NIAJANESS as you CALLED IT?

Bottom line, what a sister pretend to do HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU, focus on your wife and make sure she KNOWS what you about not a sister that is not yours,[/quote][quote author=Mrs.Chima link=topic=720181.msg8788234#msg8788234 date=1311626805]She admitted that his student visa about to run out and she WILL MARRY him just so he can stay.  Now if that REAL LOVE I don't want it.  

What's get to me is that THE MAN has a wife back home REGARDLESS if it isn't done by court of law he is married legally under the eye of the MOST HIGH.  People assumed that in order to be legally married you need court documents when in fact they do not but to CLAIM property and division of children then MARITAL CONTRACT must be signed.  

In some states in America if a man and woman lives together for 2 years they are considered common law married.  That's no different than a man and a woman in a village professing their love in marriage without COURT DOCUMENTS.  Same thing different smell.[/quote]

Tosinville:
Mrs.Chima pls try and go back to your old usernames which are Queeneve, Ms.eve, i don't know why i love those names even though u type shitt sometimes i still like u but Mrs.chima sounds so horrible most especially for an african-american woman LOL

HOLY SHIZZ. mrs. Eve types in caps every other word just like mrs chima does. ! ! !

What's yours?

your making fun of my mom! lol