Kobojunkie:
So, I did a bit of searching and found a site that has a list that is up to about 49 long, and even that list is missing at least 4 other commandments that I am sure of(listed below).

Here is the link so, check it out for yourself. https://iblp.org/questions/what-are-commands-christ

I wish it were easier to simply summarize each commandment but by doing that, one easily becomes guilty of injecting one's own "interpretation" into the original message
1. Do not subscribe to doctrines and traditions of men


_{** substituted from another Bible translation for better understanding of what is impacted}

2. It is not what you eat that makes you unclean



3. Abide in Jesus Christ and He will abide in You


4. Become free from sin by accepting and obeying the commandments of Jesus Christ

Thanks bro, excellent job. Gonna digest this for the weekend.

Dtruthspeaker:
See yourself, after you have made me carry a Trailer Load of Cement now you are back to one, one bag of cements!



My Answer is Still Not going to change!

." If you do not Abide, Follow or Obey The Law, how is it possible that you can or could be Defended or Protected by it? (Justify means "Defence" or 'Protected')

If you do not obey the law on Insurance, how can you claim the benefit of insurance?

Or if you have not fulfilled the requirements of being a Doctor, how can you be Defended by The Laws of Medical Practice?

Simple, He who does not obey The Law can not be expected to be Protected or Defended by it!



Justification Comes From Righteousness or Rightness isn't that what The Lord Jesus taught?

"Seek ye first the kingdom of God AND HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS

Not your rightness or my rightness or any man's rightness but God's Rightness!

Now Where can you find God's Righteousness?

Only in His Laws! Not man's laws which the descendants of Israel upheld.

Where do you find His Laws?

In The Original Laws Given and Taught Moses, who further taught them



The word "WITHOUT THE DEEDS of THE THE LAW" answers you, for "Deeds" means "Doings and what was the Doings of The Law, was it Righteous or Unrighteous?

Malachi 2:6 and Your Romans 3 Already Answers you particularly Verses 9-19

1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?

2 Much every way: chiefly, because that UNTO THEM WERE COMMITTED THE ORACLES OF GOD.

9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;

10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

11 There is none that understandeth, THERE IS NONE THAT Seeketh After God.

12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; THERE IS NONE THAT DOETH GOOD, NO, NOT ONE.

13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:

14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:

15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:

16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:

17 And the way of peace have they not known:

18 There Is No Fear Of God Before Their Eyes.

19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

And These Statement Is A JUDGEMENT As Given By A Court! A JUDGEMENT OF LAW!

And Who on earth is NOT UNDER THE LAW OF RIGHTEOUSNESS Whether given to Moses or Not!

Are we not all already under The Law of Good/Righteousness and Evil/unrighteousness and are we not Already going to be Judged Under These Laws?

This is what you do not know neither have you Considered that, No Man is above this Law and can Never be!

We are all Judged and are going to be Judged by The Laws of Rightness (Righteousness) vs. Wrongness; Goodness (Righteousness) vs. Evil!

Psalm 9:8
And he shall judge the world in righteousness, he shall minister judgment to the people in uprightness

You said nothing. Please, go back to school and read English language. You don't even know what it means to be justified.

The Scripture simply said that we are not justified by keeping the Law of Moses. What justifies is our faith in Christ Jesus. Please, stop frustrating the grace of God in your life.

If you want to keep the Law of Moses, you must keep all. I am sure that you are not even keeping the Law of Sabbath.

Those who attempt to live by the Law of Moses and don't keep all are under a curse.

Since you prefer to be under a curse, go ahead.

I am cruising on with the grace that Jesus brought. And his grace is sufficient for me.

Ken4Christ:


You said nothing. Please, go back to school and read English language. You don't even know what it means to be justified.

The Scripture simply said that we are not justified by keeping the Law of Moses. What justifies is our faith in Christ Jesus. Please, stop frustrating the grace of God in your life.

If you want to keep the Law of Moses, you must keep all. I am sure that you are not even keeping the Law of Sabbath.

Those who attempt to live by the Law of Moses and don't keep all are under a curse.

Since you prefer to be under a curse, go ahead.

I am cruising on with the grace that Jesus brought. And his grace is sufficient for me.

Very funny.
But you can commit sins like adultery and still ask for forgiveness because you are justified by faith, you won't be under curse o for breaking it in the first place. But when you try obeying all the law and mistakenly break "thou shall not commit adultery", that's when you will be under curse...
Can Africans hear themselves?

Ken4Christ:

You said nothing. Please, go back to school and read English language. You don't even know what it means to be justified.

Thank you for the insult!

Clearly means, you can not offer up Any Reasonable Opposition!

Google says
adjective
1.having, done for, or marked by A Good or Legitimate (Law-Full) Reason.

Under Law it means,
Justified!
"A Legal (Law-Full) Excuse for the performance or nonperformance of a particular act that is the basis for exemption from guilt.

Dtruthspeaker:


Thank you for the insult!

Clearly means, you can not offer up Any Reasonable Opposition!

Google says
adjective
1.having, done for, or marked by A Good or Legitimate (Law-Full) Reason.

Under Law it means,
Justified!
"A Legal (Law-Full) Excuse for the performance or nonperformance of a particular act that is the basis for exemption from guilt.

New Wine in an Old Wine Skin Shall Cause It To Burst!

Jman24:



Very funny.
But you can commit sins like adultery and still ask for forgiveness because you are justified by faith, you won't be under curse o for breaking it in the first place. But when you try obeying all the law and mistakenly break "thou shall not commit adultery", that's when you will be under curse...
Can Africans hear themselves?

Grace is not a license to sin. The advantage it has over the era of the Law of Moses is opportunity to ask for forgiveness and make right your wrong.

If not for grace, the woman caught in the very act would have been stoned to death.

If not for grace, one of the thief who was crucified with Christ would not have received mercy.

But grace has expiring date. One day, the opportunity given to mankind to embrace the gospel of Christ will be over and you will be doomed for life.

Dtruthspeaker:


Thank you for the insult!

Clearly means, you can not offer up Any Reasonable Opposition!

Google says
adjective
1.having, done for, or marked by A Good or Legitimate (Law-Full) Reason.

Under Law it means,
Justified!
"A Legal (Law-Full) Excuse for the performance or nonperformance of a particular act that is the basis for exemption from guilt.

Titus 2:11-13
11 For the GRACE OF GOD THAT BRINGETH SALVATION hath appeared to all men, note

12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

Titus 3:7 That being JUSTIFIED BY HIS GRACE, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

Ephesians 2:8-10
8 For BY GRACE ARE YE SAVED THROUGH FAITH; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Titus 3:5 NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Ken4Christ:


Grace is not a license to sin. The advantage it has over the era of the Law of Moses is opportunity to ask for forgiveness and make right your wrong.

If not for grace, the woman caught in the very act would have been stoned to death.

If not for grace, one of the thief who was crucified with Christ would not have received mercy.

But grace has expiring date. One day, the opportunity given to mankind to embrace the gospel of Christ will be over and you will be doomed for life.

In other words there was no grace when biblical ananias and Sapphira were struck to death
Just for not bringing small "change" from sales. Something our people pack from the pulpit on a daily..
What you call grace by any logical reasoning had existed for as long as the world existed. Just that some people ain't lucky in getting away with whatever they do.

Ken4Christ:


Titus 2:11-13...;

You are just running across what you people wrongfully call new testament raising statements which merely repeat what has been laid to rest, searching for a place to stand and lay your tired feet, but finding none!

You have already clearly proven that you are unstable and it is Written "Unstable as water, thou shalt not excel;"

So I let me leave you with your runnings!

Dtruthspeaker:


You are just running across what you people wrongfully call new testament raising statements which merely repeat what has been laid to rest, searching for a place to stand and lay your tired feet, but finding none!

You have already clearly proven that you are unstable and it is Written "Unstable as water, thou shalt not excel;"

So I let me leave you with your runnings!

Just surrender your life to Jesus before it is too late.

Jman24:




In other words there was no grace when biblical ananias and Sapphira were struck to death
Just for not bringing small "change" from sales. Something our people pack from the pulpit on a daily..
What you call grace by any logical reasoning had existed for as long as the world existed. Just that some people ain't lucky in getting away with whatever they do.

You are invariably saying that you don't believe in Christ for he brought the gospel of grace.

Ken4Christ:


Just surrender your life to Jesus before it is too late.

Son, My Whole Soul, Body, Strength, Intellect, EVERYTHING, Already Belongs To The Lord of Hosts, Lord of All, Lord Forever!

Ken4Christ:


You are invariably saying that you don't believe in Christ for he brought the gospel of grace.

You see. Shifting goal post again. I bring facts you bring the blame game for what you don't fully understand as an African (I presume)

Dtruthspeaker:


Son, My Whole Soul, Body, Strength, Intellect, EVERYTHING, Already Belongs To The Lord of Hosts, Lord of All, Lord Forever!

If you are born again, you will know that we are living in the dispensation of grace. You can't belong to the Lord and still desire to be in bondage. Those who attempt to live by the Law of Moses are living in bondage. They are living under the curse. And their minds are completely blind to the gospel our Lord Jesus Christ brought. I really feel sorry for your state. You are completely ignorant and you don't even know it. Even when you are shown the truth, you reject it.

Well, thank you all for your suggestions, submissions and contributions; also I like the way you guys ignored the JW man who wanted to cause distractions and diversions.

Ken4christ and Dtruthspeaker you guys have not done badly.

My observation in the Word is that many questions carry the yes/no answers.
It depends on the speaker's stand point of view:

https://www.nairaland.com/5745609/trinity-explained#87772303.

In accordance with the principle of "word, positive and superlative" e.g correct, more and most correct...

I can say KEN4CHRIST IS CORRECT,
DTRUTHSPEAKER IS MORE CORRECT and
GOD IS MOST CORRECT.

This argument resembles that of "faith + grace - work" and "faith + work" taught by apostle Paul and apostle James. Ephesians 2:8-9; James 2:22-24.

If one is not careful you'll think they are saying different things but when critically looked upon, you'll find out that they are saying the same thing,
only that one person is giving us the real meaning of what the other person is saying.

The law says "thou shalt not kill"
Those under the grace are not to kill...

Somehow delivered from the laws but in reality you are keeping the laws...
this time not as a result of the fear of being stoned but for the sake of love...

Our God is very wise!

Only if we understood the old covenant (laws) and new covenant (laws), and either covenant neither requires its believers to live a lawless life.

Just as simple and straightforward as that.

The other confusion here is what “works” means in the proper context. Anyways, this isn’t really complicated as people like to overthink things...

KNOWMORE56:
Well, thank you all for your suggestions, submissions and contributions; also I like the way you guys ignored the JW man who wanted to cause distractions and diversions.

Ken4christ and Dtruthspeaker you guys have not done badly.

My observation in the Word is that many questions carry the yes/no answers.
It depends on the speaker's stand point of view:

https://www.nairaland.com/5745609/trinity-explained#87772303.

In accordance with the principle of "word, positive and superlative" e.g correct, more and most correct...

I can say KEN4CHRIST IS CORRECT,
DTRUTHSPEAKER IS MORE CORRECT and
GOD IS MOST CORRECT.

This argument resembles that of "faith + grace - work" and "faith + work" taught by apostle Paul and apostle James. Ephesians 2:8-9; James 2:22-24.

If one is not careful you'll think they are saying different things but when critically looked upon, you'll find out that they are saying the same thing,
only that one person is giving us the real meaning of what the other person is saying.

The law says "thou shalt not kill"
Those under the grace are not to kill...

Somehow delivered from the laws but in reality you are keeping the laws...
this time not as a result of the fear of being stoned but for the sake of love...

Our God is very wise!

Your understanding on the subject is still very dark. As such, your response is incorrect.

The Gentile nations were never given the Law of Moses. It was given to the Jews. The Law of Moses is much more than the 10 commandments. It contains over 600 distinct instructions which must be kept 100%. If you break just one instruction, you have broken all. This is why Apostle Paul called it a yoke of bondage. He also called the Law of Moses, the ministry of death and condemnation.

Even if we focus on the 10 commandments, how many of us keep the commandment that has to do with the Sabbath? Under the Old Testament, breaking the commandment of Sabbath attracted death penalty.

A man who was caught just gathering sticks on a Sabbath day was stoned to death by the order of God to Moses.

Numbers 15:32-36.
32 And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.

33 And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.

34 And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him.

35 And the LORD SAID UNTO MOSES, THE MAN SHALL BE SURELY PUT TO DEATH: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.

36 And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses.

How many of us have been put to death for breaking the Sabbath? No one because the Law of Moses is no longer in force.

Besides, circumcision, which is the most sacred ceremony the Jews keep is no longer compulsory according to the Scripture.

Galatians 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

This was the reason the Jews persecuted Apostle Paul from city to city.

The Law of Moses couldn't make men righteous. It couldn't give life. Hence Apostle wrote;

Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for IF RIGHTEOUSNESS COME BY THE LAW, then Christ is dead in vain.

Galatians 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for IF THERE HAD BEEN A LAW GIVEN WHICH COULD HAVE GIVEN LIFE, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

The Law of Moses tells you what to do but doesn't give you the ability to do it.

Romans 8:3-4
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

The writer of Hebrews affirmed the weakness of the Law of Moses.

Hebrews 7:18-19.
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the WEAKNESS and UNPROFITABLENESS thereof.

19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

I have a whole book on this but it's only available on Amazon Kindle store for now.

Is The Church Under the Law of Moses - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00F9Y9IL4

Well done Ken4Christ....

The law is not meant for the righteous 1 Timothy 1vs9

Are we righteous in Christ? Absolutely YES!

Goshen360:
Well done Ken4Christ....

The law is not meant for the righteous 1 Timothy 1vs9

Are we righteous in Christ? Absolutely YES!

i am sorry ...What?

In GENESIS 26 vs 1=4, Abraham was declared righteous by God because he, Abraham obeyed the command , rules and laws that God gave Him, meaning that It is through the Law that righteousness is defined. so what are you saying here?

Jesus Christ declared that only those who accept(trust) and obey His teachings/commandments will become Sons of God, again meaning that it is through submission to the obedience of the Law, Jesus Christ, that those who believe in Him are justified/made righteous.

But here you are suggesting that the Law is not meant for the righteous even though the righteous are justified,on a continual basis mind you, by their obedience of the Law, according to God?

Ken4Christ:


Your understanding on the subject is still very dark. As such, your response is incorrect.

The Gentile nations were never given the Law of Moses. It was given to the Jews. The Law of Moses is much more than the 10 commandments. It contains over 600 distinct instructions which must be kept 100%. If you break just one instruction, you have broken all. This is why Apostle Paul called it a yoke of bondage. He also called the Law of Moses, the ministry of death and condemnation.

Even if we focus on the 10 commandments, how many of us keep the commandment that has to do with the Sabbath? Under the Old Testament, breaking the commandment of Sabbath attracted death penalty.

A man who was caught just gathering sticks on a Sabbath day was stoned to death by the order of God to Moses.

Numbers 15:32-36.
32 And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.

33 And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.

34 And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him.

35 And the LORD SAID UNTO MOSES, THE MAN SHALL BE SURELY PUT TO DEATH: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.

36 And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses.

How many of us have been put to death for breaking the Sabbath? No one because the Law of Moses is no longer in force.

Besides, circumcision, which is the most sacred ceremony the Jews keep is no longer compulsory according to the Scripture.

Galatians 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

This was the reason the Jews persecuted Apostle Paul from city to city.

The Law of Moses couldn't make men righteous. It couldn't give life. Hence Apostle wrote;

Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for IF RIGHTEOUSNESS COME BY THE LAW, then Christ is dead in vain.

Galatians 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for IF THERE HAD BEEN A LAW GIVEN WHICH COULD HAVE GIVEN LIFE, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

The Law of Moses tells you what to do but doesn't give you the ability to do it.

Romans 8:3-4
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

The writer of Hebrews affirmed the weakness of the Law of Moses.

Hebrews 7:18-19.
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the WEAKNESS and UNPROFITABLENESS thereof.

19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

I have a whole book on this but it's only available on Amazon Kindle store for now.

Is The Church Under the Law of Moses - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00F9Y9IL4

I still maintain that
KEN4CHRIST IS CORRECT,
DTRUTHSPEAKER IS MORE CORRECT and
GOD IS MOST CORRECT.

The laws of Moses have ritual/ceremonial laws, moral laws and the ten commandments.
The ten commandments is dividend into 2: duty to God ( i.e 1 - 4) and duty to humanity ( i.e 5 - 10) Exodus 20: 1- 17.

Moral laws e.g if you find your neighbors lost goods return them (restitution), don't ill-treat your house maids/ employees, etc: Exodus 21 and 22;

Now, the ritual laws which involve killing of animals to appease God's wrath against sin have been completely done away with.

But God does not cancel things just like that, He gave Jesus as the lamb for this ritual...
this sacrifice (the lamb) is still before Him up till now that's why He relieves us of animals sacrifices - revelation 5:6....

The Bible says that the blood of these animals could not bring lasting solution to the problem of sin... Hebrews 9: 10-15; 10: 1-10;
All the places you have been quoting up and down are pointing at the sacrifices for sin....

What I understand as the grace of God IS THE POWER OF GOD GIVEN TO HUMANITY TO ENABLE THOSE WHO BELIEVE DO/ OBEY THE WORD OF GOD OR THE LAW OF GOD, WHICH ON THEIR (humanity) OWN THEY WILL FAIL...

Another important point is that we are saved to keep the laws ( not rituals laws)
but they were to keep the laws to be safe or saved....

When they failed, they used animals sacrifice to appease God's wrath, but when we fail, we have an advocate with the Father....1 John 2:1

KNOWMORE56:


I still maintain that
KEN4CHRIST IS CORRECT,
DTRUTHSPEAKER IS MORE CORRECT and
GOD IS MOST CORRECT.

The laws of Moses have ritual/ceremonial laws, moral laws and the ten commandments.
The ten commandments is dividend into 2: duty to God ( i.e 1 - 4) and duty to humanity ( i.e 5 - 10) Exodus 20: 1- 17.

Moral laws e.g if you find your neighbors lost goods return them (restitution), don't ill-treat your house maids/ employees, etc: Exodus 21 and 22;

Now, the ritual laws which involve killing of animals to appease God's wrath against sin have been completely done away with.

But God does not cancel things just like that, He gave Jesus as the lamb for this ritual...
this sacrifice (the lamb) is still before Him up till now that's why He relieves us of animals sacrifices - revelation 5:6....

The Bible says that the blood of these animals could not bring lasting solution to the problem of sin... Hebrews 9: 10-15; 10: 1-10;
All the places you have been quoting up and down are pointing at the sacrifices for sin....

What I understand as the grace of God IS THE POWER OF GOD GIVEN TO HUMANITY TO ENABLE THOSE WHO BELIEVE DO/ OBEY THE WORD OF GOD OR THE LAW OF GOD, WHICH ON THEIR (humanity) OWN THEY WILL FAIL...

Another important point is that we are saved to keep the laws ( not rituals laws)
but they were to keep the laws to be safe or saved....

When they failed, they used animals sacrifice to appease God's wrath, but when we fail, we have an advocate with the Father....1 John 2:1

This is Sweet! This is very Sweeet! Complete, Wholistic and Truthful Analysis!

Save for the little "ken4christ is correct" part for my contention with him was based on the untruthful ground that he said The Law has been put away and dispensed with which he does not know that legally it means "man is living outside The Law, therefore man is living lawlessly". [Is this the message Lawyer Paul gave and should give?]

Which further means that The New Law he proposes that The Lord made is A Law of Lawless living.

And based on The Law of Lawless living, "No man can be condemned and all are justified."

Thus, I lay before everyone soul here, "is this True? Is man living outside and beyond Law" ? is it possible for man to ever be put beyond the scope of Law? Was man put beyond the hands of The Law?

Did The Lord Jesus Christ proclaim a New Law of Lawless living as Ken4Christ implied?

These are the questions that ken4Christ has not averted his mind to consider since it is not within his purview to ponder about The Law, it's Power, it's Reach and it's Consequences (where the lay man says it's effects)!

Goshen360:
Well done Ken4Christ....

The law is not meant for the righteous 1 Timothy 1vs9

Are we righteous in Christ? Absolutely YES!

Mosaic Laws, particularly the purity and sacrificial laws, and some other funny instructions like that.

For example, you can’t claim to be a follower of Christ and go around raping, stealing or killing because we are not under the “law”

I think what needs clarity here is what law means in this context.

Even the new covenant or testament or law or is a law itself. I’ll prefer to call it the law of Christ.

OkCornel:

Mosaic Laws, particularly the purity and sacrificial laws, and some other funny instructions like that.

For example, you can’t claim to be a follower of Christ and go around raping, stealing or killing because we are not under the “law”

I think what needs clarity here is what law means in this context.

Even the new covenant or testament or law or is a law itself. I’ll prefer to call it the law of Christ.

the Mosaic Law was never declared imperfect by God nor did God abolish it. Jesus Christ lived that same Mosaic Law and was proved Righteous by it. Several other people also mentioned in your Bible lived by the Mosaic Law and were declared Righteous by it. We are speaking here of people like Zechariah and Elizabeth, Simeon, Joseph of Arimathea, Joseph(Mary's husband), Job, and even John the Baptist(of course all the other prophets descended from Jacob as well).


God, in Genesis, declared that Abraham was justified by His works. God said this to Isaac as He proclaimed He will bless Isaac because his father, Abraham trusted and obeyed the commands, rules and statutes that God gave Him. God did not say because Abraham believed, NO. God was clear that it was because Abraham did works that earned Him the justification given Him by God.

In the book of Job, when Job argued His case against God, Job goes on to list the works of righteous he does regularly because of his fear of God(trust) and obeidemce of His His commandments. These works of righteous are found listed in Job 31. A very similar list can be found in Ezekiel 18 where God lists again the characteristics of the righteous man comparing it to the works of the unrighteous man who He condemns to die as a result of his unrighteous, swearing By His Name that , " the one who sins must die".


This gospel that pretends the Law of God is wrong and that no one is justified by the Law, whichever of God's Law you want to consider is a lie!

Even the Law that is justified makes it clear that you are made righteous by your works done when you accept and obey the teachings of Jesus Christ. In Matthew 25 vs 31 -46, Jesus Christ declares that only those who do the works He commands of them will Enter into Heaven at the end of the day. Those who believe in Him but refuse will end up in Hell where they will spend the eternity they earned.

Dtruthspeaker:


This is Sweet! This is very Sweeet! Complete, Wholistic and Truthful Analysis!

Save for the little "ken4christ is correct" part for my contention with him was based on the untruthful ground that he said The Law has been put away and dispensed with which he does not know that legally it means "man is living outside The Law, therefore man is living lawlessly". [Is this the message Lawyer Paul gave and should give?]

Which further means that The New Law he proposes that The Lord made is A Law of Lawless living.

And based on The Law of Lawless living, "No man can be condemned and all are justified."

Thus, I lay before everyone soul here, "is this True? Is man living outside and beyond Law" ? is it possible for man to ever be put beyond the scope of Law? Was man put beyond the hands of The Law?

Did The Lord Jesus Christ proclaim a New Law of Lawless living as Ken4Christ implied?

These are the questions that ken4Christ has not averted his mind to consider since it is not within his purview to ponder about The Law, it's Power, it's Reach and it's Consequences (where the lay man says it's effects)!

You are doing great concerning the the Law...
and it is noble to give attention to lawyers when it comes to law

Ken4Christ:
You got it wrong. Jesus only insisted that the Law of Moses should be kept until it is fulfilled. Now, it has been fulfilled and set aside. Grace is fully ushered in.

Wrong! The Law of Moses is an eternal Covenant that God will make with the people of Israel and remains in effect even to this day in the Land of Israel and to all those of the Blood of Jacob.

Ken4Christ:
The word fulfill means to bring to an end in this context.

Wrong! And this is because the Law of Moses/Old Covenant is a Law made unto a people, not a person. The Old Covenant goes beyond the righteousness of one Israelite. Therefore it cannot be brought to an end in the context which you claim by its fulfillment in the person of Jesus Christ. The contract/agreement that is the Old Covenant can never be ended by just one's man's(Jesus Christ) fulfillment of it. Read the fine print below to see this...

Deuteronomy 30 vs 15-20 (ERV)
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15. “Today I have given you a choice between life and death, success and disaster.
16. I command you today to love the Lord your God. I command you to follow him and to obey his commands, laws, and rules. Then you will live, and your nation will grow larger. And the Lord your God will bless you in the land that you are entering to take for your own.
17. But if you turn away from your God and refuse to listen, if you are led away to worship and serve other gods,
18. you will be destroyed. I am warning you today, if you turn away from God, you will not live long in that land across the Jordan River that you are ready to enter and take for your own.

19. “Today I am giving you a choice of two ways. And I ask heaven and earth to be witnesses of your choice. You can choose life or death. The first choice will bring a blessing. The other choice will bring a curse. So choose life! Then you and your children will live.
20. You must love the Lord your God and obey him. Never leave him, because he is your life. And he will give you a long life in the land that he, the Lord, promised to give to your ancestors—Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.”

For the kind of fulfillment you suppose here to take place, you would require that every single Israelite(by blood) alive today do exactly what Jesus Christ did(fulfill the Old Covenant Law requirements), and their lineage should cease with those who did just that, meaning no more Israelites on the face of the Earth- complete Extinction for their bloodline, and even then, the contract remains everlasting since God deemed it so, in case, some lab raises people of the blood of Israel in test tubes of something like that.

Ken4Christ:
Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that believeth.

Christ is the end of righteousness according to the Old Covenant Law for all Jewish people who believe in Him but the beginning of righteousness according to the New Covenant Law that is Jesus Christ. And according to Jesus Christ, only those who accept and obey His teachings/commandments are made righteous by the Law that is He.

Ken4Christ:
Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Under the Old Covenant Law, Jewish men were made righteous/justified by the works done in obedience to the Old Covenant laws. God Himself listed the works that those who live under that Law did in Ezekiel 18 beginning from verse one where He swore by His name as He proceeded to put an end to/repeal a law that had to do with generational curses in His Old Covenant.

However, for those of them, Jewish people who have chosen to believe in Jesus Christ, they are now under the New Covenant Laws, so are expected to seek justification under the New Covenant that is Jesus Christ. And since righteousness under Jesus Christ requires their acceptance of and obedience of the New Covenant Laws, the works they do to obtain that are also according to the New Covenant requirements(no longer the Old).

Ken4Christ:
Hebrews 7:18-19.18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
The evidences that point to the end of the law is overwhelming especially in the epistles of Paul.

There is no evidence that points to the end of the Law even in the case of individual Jews who choose to believe in Jesus Christ since the promise of the Old Covenant still belongs to them. God, Himself is the only one that can end His own Law and even He declares through Jesus Christ that the Law is eternal.

Matthew 5 vs 17(ESV)
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17. “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
18. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
19. Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20. For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

For the Christians of Jewish heritage an end of the Old Covenant would mean saying bye-bye to their 1000 years reign on earth in the land of Israel, which, even Jesus Christ promised His disciples. Yes, Jesus Christ by fulfilling the Old Covenant, has for Himself and those who follow Him, of Jewish descent, a piece of the promised apple that God gave to those of Jacob's blood. An end of the Old Covenant would be that dream disappears for eternity.

Matthew 19 vs 26-30 (ESV)
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26. Jesus looked at them and said, “This is something that people cannot do. But God can do anything.”
27. Peter said to him, “We left everything we had and followed you. So what will we have?”
28. Jesus said to them, “When the time of the new world comes, the Son of Man will sit on his great and glorious throne. And I can promise that you who followed me will sit on twelve thrones, and you will judge the twelve tribes of Israel.
29. Everyone who has left houses, brothers, sisters, father, mother, children, or farms to follow me will get much more than they left. And they will have eternal life.
30. Many people who are first now will be last in the future. And many who are last now will be first in the future.

And the statement that the Law made nothing perfect is a bit of a stretch when you consider it in its entirety. If we consider righteousness(holiness included) as the standard of perfection for the sake of this discussion, then what do we say of all the righteous men who were spoken of, many of them never mentioned, in the Old Testament, and the few mentioned by name in the New Testament, was it not the Old Covenant Law that made them perfect in the sight of God?

Ken4Christ:
The Scripture can't say in several verses that the Law of Moses has been abolished and then contradict it with just one verse. Matthew 5:17-18 has been highly misunderstood by so many ministers.
Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

The One who is able to abolish the Law said that He did not such a thing and that such a thing will NEVER happen.

Matthew 5 vs 17(ESV)
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17. “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
18. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
19. Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20. For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

The problem here is not Matthew 5 vs 17, but instead your understanding of what Paul says in Romans there.

In Romans 3 vs 20, Paul, speaking again, to Jewish Christians, tells them that they can no longer be made righteous by clinging to the Old Covenant Rules, in the sight of Jesus Christ, the New Covenant, because it is the Law you hold to that defines what Sin is to you, and trying to live the New Covenant by Old Covenant definitions of sin is erroneous and unacceptable by the Standards of sin set by Jesus Christ, the New Covenant.

In Romans 3 vs 28, again, Paul, speaking to the Jewish Christians, goes on to conclude that they are justified, in the New Covenant, not by looking back to the Old Covenant ways of righteousness, but are instead made righteous by their acceptance(trust) and obedience of the teachings/commandments of Jesus Christ, the New Covenant.

ichuka:
The Law was given by God in full knowledge that it will be broken. so that Grace by Christ will be accepted and appreciated.

Broken? The New Covenant that is Jesus Christ is also broken every single day by so-called believers in much the same way that the Israelites and Pharisees supposedly broke the Old Covenant laws. Does that make the New Covenant, Jesus Christ, an "imperfect law" of sorts?

Jesus Christ was made righteous by the very same Old Covenant Law you claim is "broken", and it is through His fulfillment that all Jewish Christians are able to enjoy the Old Covenant Promises even as they live believing in Jesus Christ. Why declare "broken" that which God Himself, the Almighty, never declared so?

Kobojunkie:
the Mosaic Law was never declared imperfect by God nor did God abolish it. Jesus Christ lived that same Mosaic Law and was proved Righteous by it. Several other people also mentioned in your Bible lived by the Mosaic Law and were declared Righteous by it. We are speaking here of people like Zechariah and Elizabeth, Simeon, Joseph of Arimathea, Joseph(Mary's husband), Job, and even John the Baptist(of course all the other prophets descended from Jacob as well).


God, in Genesis, declared that Abraham was justified by His works. God said this to Isaac as He proclaimed He will bless Isaac because his father, Abraham trusted and obeyed the commands, rules and statutes that God gave Him. God did not say because Abraham believed, NO. God was clear that it was because Abraham did works that earned Him the justification given Him by God.

In the book of Job, when Job argued His case against God, Job goes on to list the works of righteous he does regularly because of his fear of God(trust) and obeidemce of His His commandments. These works of righteous are found listed in Job 31. A very similar list can be found in Ezekiel 18 where God lists again the characteristics of the righteous man comparing it to the works of the unrighteous man who He condemns to die as a result of his unrighteous, swearing By His Name that , " the one who sins must die".


This gospel that pretends the Law of God is wrong and that no one is justified by the Law, whichever of God's Law you want to consider is a lie!

Even the Law that is justified makes it clear that you are made righteous by your works done when you accept and obey the teachings of Jesus Christ. In Matthew 25 vs 31 -46, Jesus Christ declares that only those who do the works He commands of them will Enter into Heaven at the end of the day. Those who believe in Him but refuse will end up in Hell where they will spend the eternity they earned.

I get your point. Although Job was an Edomite and was never under the Mosaic Law.

Plus there are aspects of the Mosaic law that is akin to pouring old wine in a new wine skin.

Ken4Christ:
The Law of Moses and grace are two mutually exclusive events in just the way you can't have head and tail at the same time.

Turns out they are not as mutually exclusive as you want to believe. For you see, one of the reasons that God, through Jesus Christ, chose to fulfill the Old Covenant laws, rather than end it for the Jews who would choose to believe in Jesus Christ, is so He, God, keeps His promise to Abraham and ALL of His descendants.
Christians of Jewish descent continue, to this day, to have their part in the Old Covenant promise that is there's through Abraham, their Father, even as they claim for themselves, a place in the Kingdom of God, the promise of the New Covenant.

Ken4Christ:
Hence Paul wrote;
Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

Again, in the New Covenant, Jesus Christ instructs those who believe in Him that it is by works that they are made righteous. According to Jesus Christ, it is only those who accept(trust) and obey His teachings/commandments that will be made righteous through their works.

John 15 vs 1-11(ESV)
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1. “I am the true vine, and my Father is the vinedresser.
2. Every branch in me that does not bear fruit he takes away, and every branch that does bear fruit he prunes, that it may bear more fruit.
3. Already you are clean because of the word that I have spoken to you.
4. Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit by itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in me.
5. I am the vine; you are the branches. Whoever abides in me and I in him, he, it is that bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing.
6. If anyone does not abide in me he is thrown away like a branch and withers; and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire, and burned.
7. If you abide in me, and my words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you.
8. By this my Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit and so prove to be my disciples.
9. As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Abide in my love.
10. If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commandments and abide in his love.
11. These things I have spoken to you, that my joy may be in you, and that your joy may be full.

So, unless you are willing to take Jesus Christ at His word, I am not sure what to tell you of the idea that "grace" eliminates the need for works...that is not according to the plan as laid down by Jesus Christ. God has maintained that plan - justification by the works done in obedience from as far back as the time of Abel, Seth, Noah, and even Abraham... Abraham was justified by the works He did in obedience to the commands, rules, and statutes God gave Him

Genesis 26 vs 1-5 (ERV)
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1. Now there was a famine. This was like the famine that happened during Abraham’s life. So Isaac went to the town of Gerar, to King Abimelech of the Philistines.
2. The Lord spoke to Isaac and said, “Don’t go down to Egypt. Live in the land that I commanded you to live in.
3. Stay in this land, and I will be with you. I will bless you. I will give you and your family all these lands. I will do what I promised to Abraham your father.
4. I will make your family as many as the stars of heaven, and I will give all these lands to your family. Through your descendants[a] every nation on earth will be blessed.
5. I will do this because your father Abraham obeyed my words and did what I said. He obeyed my commands, my laws, and my rules.”

So, if Abraham, their father, and their example, did works to show Himself worthy in the sight of God, I am not sure why one would think that God would suddenly change His mind, even when Jesus Christ declares that God remains the same.

Ken4Christ:
Apostle also said that those who are still trying to live by the law of Moses are under a curse.

Of course, trying to live by Old Covenant laws while under the New Covenant is a curse as declared by Jesus Christ. It is akin to adding to the commandments of God.

Mark 7 vs 1-13 (ERV)
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1. Now when the Pharisees gathered to him, with some of the scribes who had come from Jerusalem,
2. they saw that some of his disciples ate with hands that were defiled, that is, unwashed.
3. (For the Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they wash their hands properly,[a] holding to the tradition of the elders,
4. and when they come from the marketplace, they do not eat unless they wash. And there are many other traditions that they observe, such as the washing of cups and pots and copper vessels and dining couches.[c])
[b] 5. And the Pharisees and the scribes asked him, “Why do your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat with defiled hands?”
6. And he said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written,
“‘This people honors me with their lips,
but their heart is far from me;
7. in vain do they worship me,
teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’

8. You leave the commandment of God and hold to the (doctrines and rules)** tradition of men.”
9. And he said to them, “You have a fine way of rejecting the commandment of God in order to establish your tradition!
10. For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘Whoever reviles father or mother must surely die.’
11. But you say, ‘If a man tells his father or his mother, “Whatever you would have gained from me is Corban”’ (that is, given to God)[d]—
12. then you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or mother,
13. thus making void the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And many such things you do.”

_{** substituted from another Bible translation for better understanding of what is impacted}

Kobojunkie:
Wrong! The Law of Moses is an eternal Covenant that God will make with the people of Israel and remains in effect even to this day in the Land of Israel and to all those of the Blood of Jacob.

Wrong! And this is because the Law of Moses/Old Covenant is a Law made unto a people, not a person. The Old Covenant goes beyond the righteousness of one Israelite. Therefore it cannot be brought to an end in the context which you claim by its fulfillment in the person of Jesus Christ. The contract/agreement that is the Old Covenant can never be ended by just one's man's(Jesus Christ) fulfillment of it. Read the fine print below to see this...

For the kind of fulfillment you suppose here to take place, you would require that every single Israelite(by blood) alive today do exactly what Jesus Christ did(fulfill the Old Covenant Law requirements), and their lineage should cease with those who did just that, meaning no more Israelites on the face of the Earth- complete Extinction for their bloodline, and even then, the contract remains everlasting since God deemed it so, in case, some lab raises people of the blood of Israel in test tubes of something like that.
Christ is the end of righteousness according to the Old Covenant Law for all Jewish people who believe in Him but the beginning of righteousness according to the New Covenant Law that is Jesus Christ. And according to Jesus Christ, only those who accept and obey His teachings/commandments are made righteous by the Law that is He.
Under the Old Covenant Law, Jewish men were made righteous/justified by the works done in obedience to the Old Covenant laws. God Himself listed the works that those who live under that Law did in Ezekiel 18 beginning from verse one where He swore by His name as He proceeded to put an end to/repeal a law that had to do with generational curses in His Old Covenant.

However, for those of them, Jewish people who have chosen to believe in Jesus Christ, they are now under the New Covenant Laws, so are expected to seek justification under the New Covenant that is Jesus Christ. And since righteousness under Jesus Christ requires their acceptance of and obedience of the New Covenant Laws, the works they do to obtain that are also according to the New Covenant requirements(no longer the Old).

There is no evidence that points to the end of the Law even in the case of individual Jews who choose to believe in Jesus Christ since the promise of the Old Covenant still belongs to them. God, Himself is the only one that can end His own Law and even He declares through Jesus Christ that the Law is eternal.
For the Christians of Jewish heritage an end of the Old Covenant would mean saying bye-bye to their 1000 years reign on earth in the land of Israel, which, even Jesus Christ promised His disciples. Yes, Jesus Christ by fulfilling the Old Covenant, has for Himself and those who follow Him, of Jewish descent, a piece of the promised apple that God gave to those of Jacob's blood. An end of the Old Covenant would be that dream disappears for eternity.
And the statement that the Law made nothing perfect is a bit of a stretch when you consider it in its entirety. If we consider righteousness(holiness included) as the standard of perfection for the sake of this discussion, then what do we say of all the righteous men who were spoken of, many of them never mentioned, in the Old Testament, and the few mentioned by name in the New Testament, was it not the Old Covenant Law that made them perfect in the sight of God?
The One who is able to abolish the Law said that He did not such a thing and that such a thing will NEVER happen.

The problem here is not Matthew 5 vs 17, but instead your understanding of what Paul says in Romans there.

In Romans 3 vs 20, Paul, speaking again, to Jewish Christians, tells them that they can no longer be made righteous by clinging to the Old Covenant Rules, in the sight of Jesus Christ, the New Covenant, because it is the Law you hold to that defines what Sin is to you, and trying to live the New Covenant by Old Covenant definitions of sin is erroneous and unacceptable by the Standards of sin set by Jesus Christ, the New Covenant.

In Romans 3 vs 28, again, Paul, speaking to the Jewish Christians, goes on to conclude that they are justified, in the New Covenant, not by looking back to the Old Covenant ways of righteousness, but are instead made righteous by their acceptance(trust) and obedience of the teachings/commandments of Jesus Christ, the New Covenant.

You are still holding on to the evidence of just one verse of Scripture and ignoring the many others that speaks otherwise.

One of the reasons Jesus was crucified was because he broke the Law of Moses concerning the keeping of the Sabbath on a few occasion. If Jesus wanted the Law of Moses to be upheld, he wouldn't do that.

Joh 9:16 Therefore said some of the Pharisees, This man is not of God, BECAUSE HE KEEPETH NOT THE  SABBATHDAY. Others said, How can a man that is a sinner do such miracles? And there was a division among them.

John 5:16  And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and SOUGHT  TO SLAY HIM BECAUSE HE HAD DONE THESE THINGS ON THE SABBATH DAY.

You also remember the woman caught in the very act of adultery, if Jesus wanted the Law of Moses to be upheld, he would have permitted her to be stoned to death.

We have a new Law - It is called the perfect Law of liberty. It is hinged on the instructions Jesus and his Apostles gave. It is not based on the Law of Moses. There are too many Scripture that affirms that the Law of Moses has been abolished but you choose to ignore them when I quoted some of them.

You don't have to hold on to your pre conceived opinions when it doesn't line up with the Scripture. You must address any issue holistically. Have you ever read through the whole Bible? I have done that a few times and I have read the New Testament more than a hundred times.

Just try and read the New Testament with open mind especially the epistles of Apostle Paul, you will understand clearly the truth I am unveiling.

OkCornel:
I get your point. Although Job was an Edomite and was never under the Mosaic Law.

Abraham was also not under the Mosaic Law, yet God gave him commands, statutes and rules which He also obeyed, and was justified as a result of.

OkCornel:
Plus there are aspects of the Mosaic law that is akin to pouring old wine in a new wineskin.

You referring to the following law...

Deuteronomy 4 vs 1-2 (ERV)
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1. “Now, Israel, listen to the laws and to the commands that I teach you. Obey them and you will live. Then you can go in and take the land that the Lord, the God of your ancestors, is giving you.
2. You must not add to what I command you. And you must not take anything away. You must obey the commands of the Lord your God that I have given you.

KNOWMORE56:


You are doing great concerning the the Law...
and it is noble to give attention to lawyers when it comes to law

Ignorant person praising another ignorant one. When the blind leads the blind, they will both end up in the ditch.

Romans 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become DEAD TO THE LAW by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

Romans 7:6 But now we are DELIVERED FROM THE LAW, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Romans 10:4 For Christ is the END OF THE LAW for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are NOT UNDER THE LAW, but under grace.

The evidences of the Scripture are too clear to be ignored. But instead of believing it, you will ignore it and quote your own. Maybe you were a Jehovah Witness. Because this is how they behave. They must win argument at all cost.

Ken4Christ:
You are still holding on to the evidence of just one verse of Scripture and ignoring the many others that speaks otherwise.

What many others? While the major evidence is God Himself declaring that it will never happen, do you realize the implications of saying what God said is untrue?

Matthew 5 vs 17(ESV)
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17. “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
18. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
19. Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20. For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

If you say that the above is not evidence enough, what you are saying is that God lied and Jesus Christ is a fraud!

Ken4Christ:
One of the reasons Jesus was crucified was because he broke the Law of Moses concerning the keeping of the Sabbath on a few occasion. If Jesus wanted the Law of Moses to be upheld, he wouldn't do that.
Joh 9:16 Therefore said some of the Pharisees, This man is not of God, BECAUSE HE KEEPETH NOT THE  SABBATHDAY. Others said, How can a man that is a sinner do such miracles? And there was a division among them.

John 5:16  And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and SOUGHT  TO SLAY HIM BECAUSE HE HAD DONE THESE THINGS ON THE SABBATH DAY.

I am not sure how many of these random verses you include here somehow provide backing for your above claim.

Ken4Christ:
You also remember the woman caught in the very act of adultery, if Jesus wanted the Law of Moses to be upheld, he would have permitted her to be stoned to death.

Please stop making things up! What Jesus Christ said to the men was from the Old Covenant Law itself, and the decision they made after being carefully reminded by Jesus Christ Himself of what the rule was as far as stoning persons to death was, was theirs. Jesus Christ did not stop them but simply reminded them of What God in fact said must be the case for such proceedings, which is, according to the Old Covenant laws of sin and death, the one who stood to condemn the woman had to cast the first stone.

I get that many of you think that Jesus Christ is somehow being pitched against the Old Covenant Laws but the truth is the same Word of God that came to Moses and gave him the Old Covenant Law is the same Word of God that came down to give you the New Covenant Law. So, can a Kingdom be divided against its own self? Ask yourself that question next time you think of pitching the New Covenant against the Old Covenant.

Ken4Christ:
We have a new Law - It is called the perfect Law of liberty. It is hinged on the instructions Jesus and his Apostles gave. It is not based on the Law of Moses. There are too many Scripture that affirms that the Law of Moses has been abolished but you choose to ignore them when I quoted some of them.

I am afraid you are mistaken.. you never had an Old Law, to begin with. You are a Gentile and were never included, by God Himself, in His Old Covenant with His people, Israel. Read the fine prints again...

Deuteronomy 30 vs 15-20 (ERV)
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15. “Today I have given you a choice between life and death, success and disaster.
16. I command you today to love the Lord your God. I command you to follow him and to obey his commands, laws, and rules. Then you will live, and your nation will grow larger. And the Lord your God will bless you in the land that you are entering to take for your own.
17. But if you turn away from your God and refuse to listen if you are led away to worship and serve other gods,
18. you will be destroyed. I am warning you today, if you turn away from God, you will not live long in that land across the Jordan River that you are ready to enter and take for your own.

19. “Today I am giving you a choice of two ways. And I ask heaven and earth to be witnesses of your choice. You can choose life or death. The first choice will bring a blessing. The other choice will bring a curse. So choose life! Then you and your children will live.
20. You must love the Lord your God and obey him. Never leave him, because he is your life. And he will give you a long life in the land that he, the Lord, promised to give to your ancestors—Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.”

As for the "too-many scriptures" that you claim affirm that the Law of Moses has been abolished, where are they. You only quoted several lines from one person, Paul. According to the law of 2 or 3 witnesses, Paul is only one witness against what Jesus Christ Himself said. So where are the other witnesses who say that indeed the Old Covenant Law has been abolished by Jesus Christ?

Ken4Christ:
You don't have to hold on to your pre conceived opinions when it doesn't line up with the Scripture. You must address any issue holistically. Have you ever read through the whole Bible? I have done that a few times and I have read the New Testament more than a hundred times.

Just try and read the New Testament with open mind especially the epistles of Apostle Paul, you will understand clearly the truth I am unveiling.

I am afraid saying you have done something and showing it are two different things.

All you continue to do here is show you have read Paul's claims and you have thoroughly digested your own "special interpretation" of what he said. Why else would a gentile Christian, who was never under the Old Law, continue to quote verses that apply only to the Jewish Christians, as evidence for his claim that somehow Jesus Christ, without realizing it, abolished the Old Covenant Laws?