McSquishi:


If you were truly curious about the stats you would’ve done the Google search and found the facts I’m about to give you for yourself.

There are only around 75,000 medical doctors who are Nigerian altogether in a country of nearly 200 million people... https://allafrica.com/stories/201912190053.html

So the idea that Nigerians would come to the US and represent the majority of Black doctors is absurd. Only belief in anti-Black American stereotypes will have one thinking those numbers make sense.

Facts:

Around 4% of Nigerians in America hold or earn a doctorate degree (including PhD’s and MD’s) https://www.google.com/amp/s/africans-in-america.com/2018/11/12/data-show-nigerians-the-most-educated-in-the-u-s/amp/

there are about 348,00 to 380,000 Nigerians/Americans in the USA https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/02/03/fast-facts-about-nigeria-and-its-immigrants-as-u-s-travel-ban-expands/%3famp=1 making that around 15,000 doctorate degrees.

Most sources say there are about 4000 (at most 5000) Nigerian/American medical doctors in the US https://anpa.org/mission-vision/


There are at least 45,534 Black doctors in the USA.

https://www.aamc.org/data-reports/workforce/interactive-data/figure-18-percentage-all-active-physicians-race/ethnicity-2018

Even if all 15,000 Nigerian/Americans with doctorate degrees were medical doctors (which they aren’t) that still wouldn’t make 70-80% of Black doctors.

So Nigerian doctors only come from Nigeria What about the Nigerian doctors born and trained in the states??


Why are you adding doctorate degree holders into the mix?? When the premise is about MEDICAL DOCTORS?

According to that aamc.org site 5% of black people overall are doctors and that includes Nigerian and AAs, both are black.

I don't care about the ethnicity and numbers Break down, percentages will do just fine.

1Sharon:



And the other European countries without colonies that black people dominate? Italy, Germany? Even Malaysia, China, Japan? Did we need African Americans to emigrate?

There have Africans and Caribbeans in the UK for
long before whatever incentives you're thinking of.

Caribbeans have been in the UK since the 40s, Asians since the 19th century. Long before mass immigration, so just stop.


Without African American labour? Saying African Americans built America is almost like saying a cow built the farm yard when it was only used to pull plough.

Outside agriculture where exactly were African Americans labout utilised


Again I ask, you really think there would be no Africans whatever in the United States in 2021?


You really think America would haven't reformed in 2021


Nigerians are found all over the world in countries that are far more hostile than white societies in Asian and Arab countries. If you didn't know, Asians have been far more racist and hostile than whites have ever been, go and look at historical trends. And Nigerians stay put I those hostile societies, y'all weren't needed.


I thought AAs constantly speak out that America is so anti-black, hostile and dangerous now suddenly AAs were the heros and made
America non-hostile for other black groups to emigrate to Is America hostile for black people or not?? FOH with that disingenous comment.

By the way, the civil rights movement was funded by Jews, you think you're in control but you're not.

This person is so smart they ask “outside of agriculture where was African American labor utilized” as of agricultural labor was not the source of wealth production and therefore the center of nation building.

“In the pre-Civil War United States, a stronger case can be made that slavery played a critical role in economic development. One crop, slave-grown cotton, provided over half of all US export earnings. By 1840, the South grew 60 percent of the world's cotton and provided some 70 percent of the cotton consumed by the British textile industry. Thus slavery paid for a substantial share of the capital, iron, and manufactured goods that laid the basis for American economic growth. In addition, precisely because the South specialized in cotton production, the North developed a variety of businesses that provided services for the slave South, including textile factories, a meat processing industry, insurance companies, shippers, and cotton brokers.“

https://www.gilderlehrman.org/history-resources/teaching-resource/historical-context-was-slavery-engine-american-economic-growth


This person is so smart but apparently not smart enough to know the basics of history or how to read a book.

Sad

Even assuming all African people enslaved in America did was provide their skill and labor to produce Americans agricultural needs, that would be quite enough.

People will make themself appear an idiot all to put down Black Americans. Cant even acknowledge the most basic of agreed upon facts all so you can keep hating us.

Stay in your country and be great since you’re so smart...

doxijaw[b]:


Mullatoes

They allowed white visitors in and refused entry to black Nigerians.

There's a big reason why and you can expect this sort of behaviour, thanks to dominant euro centric view's that abound
globally.

I can explain better, but do some digging yourself.

End of argument! They are not white.

You can aswell accuse Nigerian of being white supremacists cos they worship Eurocentric views aswell. Just listen to yourself.

1Sharon:


So Nigerian doctors only come from Nigeria What about the Nigerian doctors born and trained in the states??


Why are you adding doctorate degree holders into the mix?? When the premise is about MEDICAL DOCTORS?

According to that aamc.org site 5% of black people overall are doctors and that includes Nigerian and AAs, both are black.

I don't care about the ethnicity and numbers Break down, percentages will do just fine.

See, I knew you were a dummy

I added “doctorates” because medical degrees are a type of doctorate. there aren’t stats to tell us how many Nigerians/Americans earned medical degrees in the US. I only found stats for doctorates altogether. I then said even if all those doctorates were medical degrees that still wouldn’t account for the 70%+ number. I was being generous, you get it now

You will note with many statistics you find including what I shared it is based on how one identifies. So if one identifies as Nigerian they will be counted as such for these surveys if Black American they will be counted as such. I don’t believe any one of the sources I shared explicitly said these were all Nigerian born folks. That’s why I included Nigerian/American.

Yes, the link I shared said Black doctors are 5% of doctors, that is 45000+ Black doctors and that includes the less than 5000 self-identified Nigerian/American doctors.

The math again: 380000 Nigerians + Nigerian American live in the USA https://www.migrationpolicy.org/sites/default/files/publications/RAD-Nigeria.pdf and around 4% of them hold doctorates of any kind (juris doctorates, philosophy doctorates, medical doctorates). That’s about 15000 doctorates. So even if all those 15000 were medical doctorates it still wouldn’t reach 70%+ of Black doctors (45,000+)...

You can go on in your fantasy and pretend that there is an invisible race of American born Nigerian doctors floating around to make up the gap in the myth vs the facts but a fantasy is all it will be.


If Nigerians were so inclined to be doctors there would be more than 75000 trained in your whole entire country...

1Sharon:


End of argument! They are not white.

You can aswell accuse Nigerian of being white supremacists cos they worship Eurocentric views aswell. Just listen to yourself.

Exactly my point!

White supremacy means white worship due to historical dominance.

Whites being at the top, blacks at the bottom.

Now that's a double whammy for Nigerians who worship whites , don't you think.

McSquishi:


Caribbean people and Asians lived in the UK in the 20’s 30’s 40’s etc because they were subjects of those for countries a century or more. Do you have no idea how people in the Caribbean came to be? The same cows you accuse my ancestors are being. Dummy.

Are you literally this ignorant or pretending? Why do you think these places speak English and other European languages?

I don’t know what you’re confused about. You’re making places that have seen a recent influx of immigration due to instability and extreme poverty.

If somehow Black Americans never existed and yet America used its invisible nonexistent gold reserves to become a world power, yes, I’m sure Africans would escape their extreme poverty and instability to come to America in 2021 as well... if you pretend history doesn’t exist we can imagine any number of things. We can even imagine Nigerian is a functioning country where the citizens don’t have to immigrate. But let’s stick to reality...

for some reason whites thought my ancestors were smart enough to be in control of their entire agricultural economy, in charge of architecture of capitol buildings. Maybe you don’t know African history but West Africans already were intelligent concerning agriculture and that intellectual and physical labor was exploited.

Any American historian can tell you where America made its money. We don’t need your dusty foot credit, we can just read a book.

African American laborers were the source of wealth and helped build literal infrastructure to catapult America making it a place you now desire to escape the chaos in your home country.

As far as you coming when it’s hostile bc you’re so tough:

Ask your Nigerian people why they didn’t want to visit the US back then. Even with the rise of police violence recently they have been cautioning their citizens, not to talk of when Black cities were being razed to the ground. Ask your people why they weren’t trying to come here before the 80’s. If y’all like hostile places so much where were you in the 60’s and 70’s when it was nice and hot over here?

Why do we still complain about hostility?

You’re a whole dummy, truly and respectfully. Black Americans used to be lynched by regular citizens, & again, Black neighborhoods razed to the ground with impunity. That doesn’t happen anymore. But to be a world power that professes equality there are systemic issues America had to correct that very much harms black people. it isn’t as viscerally hostile as it once was and no one would say it is. In fact that is why systemic racism is harder to correct because it is hidden and coded. Dummy.

All Caribbeans and Asians were subject to the UK? Even if this was the case, show me the policies giving assisted immigration to those ex- colonies in that time period?

Show me where I called your ancestors cows? The idiot doesn't understand what an analogy is.

Oh, I thought you were saying those ppl were given incentives to easily emigrate and now emigration is now due to poverty and instability making them leave their homelands?

Again, Nigerians are found allover the world in many countries that are not world-powers and far anti-black than white nations. You are not needed, you are self-important.


Africans LEARNED agriculture. They initially were hunter gatherers. They knew zilch about agriculture. Whether they were managers of agriculture and whatnot, the point is slave labour in America was hardly utilised outside the fields and you are being disingenous for claiming African Americans built America.

Slave labour is a poor way to built an economy, that's a reason why it is outlawed. Slave labour still exists in Africa today and there is nothing to show for it.

Private slave masters are the main beneficiaries.

I am born and raised in the UK thank you very much. African Americans are a liability to America not the opposite stop being disingenuous. Every area dominated by black americans eventually goes to shit, even rich black folks don't want to live in the hood.

Go ahead and make your excuses, but allow Nigerians to make their excuses too or you'll be a damn hypocrite. You want your grievances acknowledges but want to dismiss the grievances of others.

McSquishi:


This person is so smart they ask “outside of agriculture where was African American labor utilized” as of agricultural labor was not the source of wealth production and therefore the center of nation building.

“In the pre-Civil War United States, a stronger case can be made that slavery played a critical role in economic development. One crop, slave-grown cotton, provided over half of all US export earnings. By 1840, the South grew 60 percent of the world's cotton and provided some 70 percent of the cotton consumed by the British textile industry. Thus slavery paid for a substantial share of the capital, iron, and manufactured goods that laid the basis for American economic growth. In addition, precisely because the South specialized in cotton production, the North developed a variety of businesses that provided services for the slave South, including textile factories, a meat processing industry, insurance companies, shippers, and cotton brokers.“

https://www.gilderlehrman.org/history-resources/teaching-resource/historical-context-was-slavery-engine-american-economic-growth


This person is so smart but apparently not smart enough to know the basics of history or how to read a book.

Sad

Even assuming all African people enslaved in America did was provide their skill and labor to produce Americans agricultural needs, that would be quite enough.

People will make themself appear an idiot all to put down Black Americans. Cant even acknowledge the most basic of agreed upon facts all so you can keep hating us.

Stay in your country and be great since you’re so smart...

Why didn't you post this part of your article, you disingenuous bitch?




In addition, Williams contended that it was economic self-interest, and not moral convictions, that ultimately led to the abolition of slavery. It was only after slavery came to be regarded as an impediment to industrial progress that abolitionists in Europe and the United States succeeded in suppressing the slave trade and abolishing slavery.

Here's another article contradicting yours, now what?

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-08-25/how-slavery-hurt-the-u-s-economy

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1Sharon:


Why didn't you post this part of your article, you disingenuous bitch?




In addition, Williams contended that it was economic self-interest, and not moral convictions, that ultimately led to the abolition of slavery. It was only after slavery came to be regarded as an impediment to industrial progress that abolitionists in Europe and the United States succeeded in suppressing the slave trade and abolishing slavery.

Here's another article contradicting yours, now what?

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-08-25/how-slavery-hurt-the-u-s-economy

Thanks to the instigator on that other thread for letting me see your attempt at the last word...

“Disingenuous bitch” lol

Did you even read what you sourced?

How do you think what you added from my source debunks anything I said or confirms anything you said about African American labor being inconsequential to the building of America?

Yes, after 400 years of an agricultural economy the developed world began to enter the Industrial Age and it was no longer an economic imperative to maintain slavery. In fact it was becoming more costly in some ways. I never typed my thoughts on what drove the end of slavery so why you added that from my source makes no sense, really? Why would I share that part when it’s off topic.

The Bloomberg article you shared is hidden behind a paywall but I found it here for others to see https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bloombergquint.com/amp/business/how-slavery-hurt-the-u-s-economy

for one thing it is in the opinion section of Bloomberg which means that it doesn’t have to pass the *facts* requirement that an editorial piece would. This person’s opinion is as useless as yours...

Your article links to a study about the effects of serfdom on the Russian economy to claim slavery was detrimental to the US economy.

The article you chose looks at the role of cotton in the 1860’s when slavery was abolished in 1865. There are 250 years worth of American history involving enslavement and you chose an opinion article that uses the last 5 years as a snapshot (4 of which included a civil war where the South fought to keep slavery)?

The opinion article you chose didn’t manage to contradict much as it states:

“In 1860, on the eve of the Civil War, cotton production represented just 5% of the U.S. economy. Crucially, relatively little — just 13% in 1830 — was used in the domestic textile industry. Virtually all the rest was exported to Great Britain.“

This only confirms what my source said about cotton being the major US export.

Your article argues about the growth of the textile industry and whether slavery was needed for that, something that’s irrelevant and again uses the civil war era and post-civil war to make points ignoring over 2 centuries of economics.

You chose a bad source, a poorly sourced opinion article. and then used my source thinking it debunked anything when it only confirms what I typed, as you shared: “it was economic self-interest” and “It was only after slavery began to be regarded as an impediment to industrial progress...” implying slavery was previously in America’s economic self-interest.

Like I said before, you’re not smart.

McSquishi:


Thanks to the instigator on that other thread for letting me see your attempt at the last word...

“Disingenuous bitch” lol

Did you even read what you sourced?

How do you think what you added from my source debunks anything I said or confirms anything you said about African American labor being inconsequential to the building of America?

Yes, after 400 years of an agricultural economy the developed world began to enter the Industrial Age and it was no longer an economic imperative to maintain slavery. In fact it was becoming more costly in some ways. I never typed my thoughts on what drove the end of slavery so why you added that from my source makes no sense, really? Why would I share that part when it’s off topic.

The Bloomberg article you shared is hidden behind a paywall but I found it here for others to see https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bloombergquint.com/amp/business/how-slavery-hurt-the-u-s-economy

for one thing it is in the opinion section of Bloomberg which means that it doesn’t have to pass the *facts* requirement that an editorial piece would. This person’s opinion is as useless as yours...

Your article links to a study about the effects of serfdom on the Russian economy to claim slavery was detrimental to the US economy.

The article you chose looks at the role of cotton in the 1860’s when slavery was abolished in 1865. There are 250 years worth of American history involving enslavement and you chose an opinion article that uses the last 5 years as a snapshot (4 of which included a civil war where the South fought to keep slavery)?

The opinion article you chose didn’t manage to contradict much as it states:

“In 1860, on the eve of the Civil War, cotton production represented just 5% of the U.S. economy. Crucially, relatively little — just 13% in 1830 — was used in the domestic textile industry. Virtually all the rest was exported to Great Britain.“

This only confirms what my source said about cotton being the major US export.

Your article argues about the growth of the textile industry and whether slavery was needed for that, something that’s irrelevant and again uses the civil war era and post-civil war to make points ignoring over 2 centuries of economics.

You chose a bad source, a poorly sourced opinion article. and then used my source thinking it debunked anything when it only confirms what I typed, as you shared: “it was economic self-interest” and “It was only after slavery began to be regarded as an impediment to industrial progress...” implying slavery was previously in America’s economic self-interest.

Like I said before, you’re not smart.

It took you 5 days to come up with this??


The instigator on the other thread let you see this now? Yeah right.

Just FOH I'm done with this thread. You are LATE.

1Sharon:



It took you 5 days to come up with this??


The instigator on the other thread let you see this now? Yeah right.

Just FOH I'm done with this thread. You are LATE.

As I said, I wasn’t aware of your reply before.

I typed this up in minutes just as I did with all my other responses to you. Please stop pretending that you’re my intellectual equal or like your sharing of an opinion article could leave me speechless for days... clearly, neither is the case.

You’re literally in another thread right now arguing your points related to this thread but want to call this reply late?

Just admit I proved you a dummy once again here & that you have no retort and go...

McSquishi:


As I said, I wasn’t aware of your reply before.

I typed this up in minutes just as I did with all my other responses to you. Please stop pretending that you’re my intellectual equal or like your sharing of an opinion article could leave me speechless for days... clearly, neither is the case.

You’re literally in another thread right now arguing your points related to this thread but want to call this reply late?

Just admit I proved you a dummy once again here & that you have no retort and go...

You're full of shìt.

planetx:
All this talk of Africans should be grateful to black Americans for the ability to migrate to the US, why don't we hear other immigrant groups like the Asians, Arabs and especially the Latinos who are migrating in larger numbers than Africans being told to be grateful to Black Americans.

We didn't fight to make it possible for them to migrate they have been here for decades, it was the Africans the government didn't want here. Sadly and regrettably my ancestors fought for Africans to migrate here.

goody234:


Good stay where you are ..we dont like coons like you coming over to america and spewing old racist stereotypes about black americans ..Government handouts ? YOU MEAN REPARATIONS !! its only govt handouts when it relates to black american people, go ask the jews and the japanese war prisoners about govt handouts and listen to them lecture you on the wrongs done to them ...you sound like a redneck american thats how they talk ...Are you really a nigerian?...My God the depths of the coonery i cant even fanthom it ...

Yes, the Nigerian Coonery is over the top, I think they are the worst of all Africans when it comes to kissing white ass. They come to America with their preconceived white supremacists stereotypes of Black Americans.

I swear if MLK and Malcolm were alive they would shun them. Sometimes I hate that our ancestors fought for their right to migrate here. They can be so embarrassing with their white worshipping and anti black American rhetoric. SMH.

Dobodobo04:



Haha. Nigeria’s populations aren’t just limited to USA or South Africa. You will find Nigerians historically in places blacks haven’t been like Cyprus, Ukraine, Russia, UK , China , etc and are doing quite well.

I don’t think we worship the whites. Clearly the opposite if you know the Nigerian feisty spirit. What we are alluding to here is that there is a trend among African American communities where u find this mindless killings and ask why. Just because I’m Black doesn’t mean it shouldn't be called out. It shouldn’t be seen as betrayal of my race just because I’m calling it out.

Regarding imitating African American culture, thanks, I got my African culture. It’s not perfect but it works for me. Not a culture where Shabisha leaves her husband’s house and go meet Teeshun. Teeshan leaves Shabisha with 2 kids and go meet Shalima.

I like my African culture where if u leave your wife, they summon the elders on you and that’s what all well meaning blacks should imitate. It needs some refining here and there but the best of all cultures.

Your post is filled with so much contradictions and hypocrisy.

1. The mindless killings in Nigeria is unbelievable with your ritual killings, tribalistic killings, police murdering you like flies (SARS), and not to overlook the citizens robbing and killing each other for material possessions. Call out your own communities, it shouldn't be seen as betrayal to do so.

2.You brought up Culture right, a culture where Ami cheats on Uche, her husband of 15 years lying to him that he's the father of their 3 kids when in reality his own father is the true father. Uche has worked his ass off supporting another man's children for 15 years who turned out to be his own brother and sisters. Is this the culture you speak of? Work on your own community before you criticize black Americans or any other community.

3. Summoning the elders in your community isn't going to stop old married Sasquatch from sexing young Ufufu, neither will it stop thuggish, yahoo boy Akeem from scamming people and impregnating Pagina, Homely, and Karumba, leaving all 3 of them single mothers. Your culture is primitive and need some serious tweeking. Your Culture isn't the best of all cultures, far from it. Check your community first.

4. On the contrary, Nigerians worship whites more than whites worship themselves and that's a hell of a lot.

doxijaw:


Oga your comment lacks self introspection.

Everything you say black Americans are doing, dumbass Nigerians are also doing.

The fact that your emphasis lies on the greatness of China and America shows you lack self awareness.

Remember it's all about averages not the individual.

Using data alone black Americans even though a failed race are still financially better off than Nigerians.

Black Americans are not a failed race.

BigSarah:
Probably drug related, she owed her dealers... I really have to stop watching series based on drugtrade

please give me the name of that series, that's the kind of movies I love. Series like Narcos

I said it a couple of days ago ..i wont bother replying the fools on here ...Nigerians stop the coonery fix your country up so it can be a beacon for "akatas" to come to ...Stop being the white mans modern day slave you love them praising you calling you the model minority right?...Fools you will be used and dumped.
Stop using the tired old racist stereotype if it applies to us it applies to you too ...when you get stopped by the police in america let me know if the police treat you as another black person or a "model minority" .....Stop the coonery and fix your damn country ...poverty is rife

9icest:
Even the American government admits that the US ranks one of the unsafest countries in the world.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurabegleybloom/2018/09/27/revealed-the-15-most-dangerous-places-to-live/?sh=2cb7b58a4706

Nigeria has its wahala but these are merely associated with corruption and poverty. Meanwhile, the us problems are way beyond easy repairs; a depressed gun man can create the damage that will leave hundreds dead, there is fear of terrorism and also the issue with hate, racism and gun violence. But still America is the richest and most prosperous country. I’d take it over Nigeria any damn day or time!

Yup! Like the NY shootings of last
week... The most indebted country in the world to the tune of $30 trillion as of 2022! Smh.

Apart from bandits and terrorist, you can get murdered faster in America than Nigeria.

aremuforlife:
No place is safe on earth, America is more dangerous than Nigeria, but you will never see their media or social media blacklisting their country, it's unusual of them.

True...it's more possible to get killed via gunshot in America than Nigeria.

Beremx:


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9423903/amp/Nigerian-beauty-queen-PhD-student-24-shot-dead-sitting-
Philadelphia.html

Philadelphia... SMH
There are many dangerous drug-fueled lone wolves out
there in the AA communities.

Am sure the stupid girl would have insulted the man through a chat media, because he asked for hookup with the girl, forgetting that she's not his mate & he could kill her & so he did.. he killed her

Beremx:


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9423903/amp/Nigerian-beauty-queen-PhD-student-24-shot-dead-sitting-Philadelphia.html

Bump... In Philadelphia.