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Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by TAO11(f): 7:21pm On May 10, 2021 |
davidnazee:And David-the-Dullard is butthurt and heartbroken again. 1 Like
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Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by budaatum: 7:23pm On May 10, 2021 |
Many are not aware of the conflict in Yorubaland between Obatalans and Oduduwans. I guess that's because it's no more a big deal because many are not aware of their history, and even miss the symbolism when it is right before their eyes. Go and learn about Obatala. Some of us are. Ọmọ Alade Sẹsẹ Funfun. You might notice us in your home village, if you still have one in your home village that is, wearing white to the shrine the day before market to ensure market sells. You'd also see us when your king is crowned. TAO11: 1 Like |
Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by TAO11(f): 7:26pm On May 10, 2021 |
budaatum:Yes, may be many are not aware. They should be aware actually. I am aware of all this, and it does not detract a jot from my comment which you replied to. Go and learn about Obatala. Some of us are. Ọmọ Alade Sẹsẹ Funfun. You might notice us in your home village, if you still have one in your home village that is, wearing white to the shrine the day before market to ensure market sells. You'd also see us when your king is crowned.I actually know of Obatala, his deification, and worship by the Yorubas though. Having said that, you may want to re-read my comment again — the one you replied to here. Cheers! 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by TAO11(f): 10:40pm On May 10, 2021 |
budaatum:By the phrase “the people of the bush,” I believe you refer to (1) the name, ‘Ugbó’ (i.e. ‘the ancient ones’) which used to be the collective name of all Ife people, and (2) the name, ‘Igbó’ (i.e. ‘the forest [people]’) which became the name of a faction of some Ugbó groups. If the foregoing is indeed what you intended with the phrase “the people of the bush,” then the following is a summarized synthesis of the traditional narrative: The collective people of all the 13 Ife settlements used to be known as ‘Ugbó. This name is coincidentally also uttered and spelt as: ‘Igbó,’ just as the name of one of the factions of the group dislodged from Ife. This point would become clearer shortly. At some point in the course of history, some sections of at least 2 of the 13 Ife settlements were dislodged from Ife in the course of a long political turmoil. This section took up abode in the woods outside of the Ife settlements. Their new abode or camp was named “Ideta-Oko” (meaning: “Ideta in the woods” ). From this Ideta-Oko camp, they embarked on series of attacks and campaigns to gain access to Ife again. However, a stronger force comprising of members of the other settlements went on to camp at “Odin” (one of the 13 Ife settlements) under the leadership of Obameri, to fight them off again and again. So far, it must be realized that the Ugbós, i.e. the people of Ife have now been divided into two, viz. (1) the vast majority who live in their respective areas of Ife, (2) the smaller dislodged group led by Obatala. In the long end after the long conflicts, the two parties desired peace — especially after a small-pox epidemic broke out at the Ideta-Oko camp leading to terrible loss of lives of the campers at Ideta-Oko. These two Ugbó groups reached a peace agreement, and the mutual agreement provided that the Ideta-Oko campers be readmitted back into Ife. This was done and peace returned, but there was an exception. Some of the most irreconcilable faction of the Ideta-Oko campers wouldn’t give peace a chance. This faction of the campers led by Obawinrin refused to return to Ife, and instead moved from Ideta-Oko to a forest location (i.e. Igbó) farther away from Ife . This group from the forest (Igbó) location proceeded to engage in guerrilla attacks against the outskirts of the city of Ife. This faction engaged in house burning, looting, and killings & maiming. These specific later attacks are the background to the Moremi/Igbó episode This forest came to be known in the accounts also as Igbó-Ugbó (also spelt as Igbó-Igbó) — that is, the forest [hideout of some] Ugbós. This is in contrast with the city (i.e. Ife) where all Ugbós live by default. Cheers! ———————- NB: There have been some scholarly attempts to equate this Ugbó/Igbó (i.e. ‘the ancient ones’) of Ife [as well as the disgruntled faction who proceeded to camp in the Igbó (i.e. ‘forest’)] to be one and the same as the Ìgbò of present-day south-east Nigeria. However, such scholars are generally fair enough to make it noticeable that their own opinions are in fact no more than likelihoods rather than anything firm. Having said that, it is noteworthy that the Ugbó/Igbó of the Ife account is distinct and separate from the Ìgbò of present-day south-eastern Nigeria. Although their respective roman orthographies or graphic representations appear the same, the words themselves are distinct and different. These native African words are tonal like most native African words. Their referents are therefore deeper than their apparent roman orthographies. Two differently toned native words would refer to different/distinct things regardless of their identical roman orthographies. In our instance, the Ugbó or Igbó of the Ife account is differently toned from the Ìgbò of the south-east, and as such refers to different things/people, etc. The Ugbó or Igbó of the Ife account is uttered with the same tone as one would utter the Yoruba word for “marijuana” — the tone therefore is “re, mi” for those who know some music. The Ìgbò of the south-east, in contrast, is uttered with the same tone as one would utter the Yoruba word for “headbutt” — the tone thus is “do, do” for those who know some music. One may also listen here. Cheers! 13 Likes 5 Shares |
Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by Olu317(m): 11:55pm On May 10, 2021 |
budaatum:Perhaps it is seemingly true if one consider both patrilineal and matrilneal lineages but I dont think all Yorubas accept that ideology because some I have come across in real life and online did identified with Obatala as their ancestor. 1 Like |
Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by budaatum: 11:59pm On May 10, 2021 |
Olu317: Let us be honest. Most Yorubas may have heard of Oduduwa and Obatala, but know nothing about their origin, since neither is really the origin of the Yorubas. Its like we read and some believe that God created Adam and Eve and therefore all human beings. Those who bother to investigate however, will find otherwise, but this remains the template used to determine the origin of most tribes. Quite a lot of "history" is going to be written the more knowledgeable and wiser we become. 1 Like |
Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by Olu317(m): 12:38am On May 11, 2021 |
budaatum:It is a big deal but has been resolved through intermarriages,which made it hard to singlehandedly claim a lineage solely. 1 Like |
Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by Olu317(m): 1:35am On May 11, 2021 |
budaatum:Iagree with you since a lot of information are yet to revealed due to vacuum in continuity of the written account in,inscribed on artifacts. I am tempted to asert here that, many information are laying fallow to be unraveled, which shall be made manifest in near future because, researches are going on, as regard the identity of the founders of lie ife as it may be. In furtherance, OduduIwa and Obatala are more of a religious ideology, and of which seemingly look different through identifiable families attached their sentiments of understanding of God to these deities but identical (kingly lineage and priest's) . Although,renown Awo dino, posited that in Ifaodu Ogunda there're is a different version of creation myth which testify to the complexity of power creation,which was given to Ela,'Rumiela',which he did a lot explanation on the identities. While in another part of the Corpus, there is a sneaky introduction of Ala(Obatala), in which, he was ordered to be associated with the physically challenged creation after he lost the power of creation to OduduIwa, after he got drunk. 2 Likes |
Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by KingOKON: 6:40am On May 11, 2021 |
The up-to-date unanimous submission of the world’s historical scholarship of African & Yoruba History as at now is in line with the aboriginal Yoruba narrative of Oduduwa’s historical roots. And it states that, “It is on the soil of Yorubaland that Oduduwa was born and raised”. ...according to the history of TAO11 and TAO12 aka the Bobrisky of NAIRALAND evidence of mouth....yeye de smell 1 Like |
Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by KingOKON: 7:20am On May 11, 2021 |
gregyboy:. The Persians had their myths and legends Greek still have their myths and legends Romans, British, Arabians and Africans same thing. The question here is what are Myths and legends? Why are people trying to personified MYTHS to become legends? If some say Oduduwa was in Mecca before coming down, can someone plz give a date Oduduwa was born and four of his generation (descendants) Let us discuss this having in mind the year and what was happening in other parts of the world |
Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by davidnazee: 12:06pm On May 11, 2021 |
TAO11: Lol.. see as body dey pepper u. anybody that doesn't believe your stories is a dullard. hope u know that from survey, 50% of yorubas doesn't believe u or agree with your revised history. |
Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by TAO11(f): 12:34pm On May 11, 2021 |
davidnazee:Nope! Virtually all Binis on Nairaland are DULLARDS. You ask around if you think otherwise. LMAO! [s]hope u know that from survey, 50% of yorubas doesn't believe u or agree with your revised history.[/s]Eeeyah! You mean the sUrVeY conducted by the Holy ArOuSaL of Benin PLC ?? Cheers! 1 Like
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Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by davidnazee: 2:11pm On May 11, 2021 |
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Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by TAO11(f): 2:31pm On May 11, 2021 |
davidnazee:I agree. No questions about this. [Aww poor and frustrated tao11.David-The-Dullard on a mission of psychological projection. Hold fast to the Lord, dullard. Suicide is never an option. This too shall pass. Everyone knows Yorubas believe Oduduwa fell from the sky or trekked from Mecca. You can't change the narrative... Ask around if you don't believe me.To think you had to steal my line at the bolded. You’re clearly aspiring. You’re a good slave. Anyways, I just asked around and guess what I found from historians of African & Yoruba History: “All who study the history of Ife and of the Yoruba people are now generally agreed that ... It is on the soil of Yorubaland that Oduduwa was born and raised”. Yes, this is a very painful piece of historical & scholarly information for my Bini slaves like yourself. However, your ocean of tears to the contrary is void & inconsequential. In fact, cry me five (5) different oceans. 1-2-3 go. 2 Likes
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Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by davidnazee: 3:03pm On May 11, 2021 |
TAO11: Hahaha TAO12 the embarrassed yoruba liar don come again.. By "NOW" do you mean 2021 or 2020.. Your "now" narrative came to late.. we Nigerians know Dumb yoruba dullards think Oduduwa fell from the sky or trekked from mecca |
Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by TAO11(f): 3:26pm On May 11, 2021 |
The fact that you BiNis think (in a literal sense) that Ogiso-Igodo fell from the sky to Benin and that IDU grew out from Benin soil, should not be projected on your Yoruba slave-masters. Having said that, see below: davidnazee:My slave, it does not take a genius to figure out the root cause of your agony on my scholarly submission. Everyone reading can actually see through the tears behind the “Hahahha” you typed. Having punched that in, whenever you encounter the symbols “ and “ at the start & end of a statement, then be informed from now on that such words are not the writer’s own words. So, the word ‘now’ within that statement I quoted is obviously not mine, okay? Good boy. I did not expect you to know that. Secondly, I’m not sure how history works in Beninland, but here in Yorubaland laymen don’t decide historical conclusions; historians do. And historians reach such conclusions by collecting & analyzing the aboriginal narrative about the actual people involved from they themselves. And the aboriginal narrative of the Yorubas regarding Oduduwa’s historical roots depicts him as having his roots on the soil of Yorubaland. This is the extant narrative on which the up-to-date conclusions of the world’s historical scholarship on African/Yoruba History was based to say that: “It is on the soil of Yorubaland that Oduduwa was born and raised”. I asked you to cry me five (5) different oceans. What are you still waiting for? 7 Likes 3 Shares
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Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by davidnazee: 4:44pm On May 11, 2021 |
TAO11: Listen little brain, You Yorubas and yoruba historians started your narrative too late, even the Edo Oduduwa story is older than yours.. First it was Oduduwa fell from sky/trekked from mecca (pre 1930s), Ododuwa is Edo prince (post 1930s) and Oduduwa was born on Yoruba soil (yoruba revisionist 2020/2021).. Sorry your new story doesn't carry wait.. Oduduwa is either a meccan or skycrew (illogical) or an Edo prince (very logical). 1 Like |
Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by TAO11(f): 5:29pm On May 11, 2021 |
My slave, it does not take a genius to figure out the root cause of your agony on my scholarly submission. Everyone reading can actually see through the tears behind the “Hahahha” you typed. Having punched that in, whenever you encounter the symbols “ and “ at the start & end of a statement, then be informed from now on that such words are not the writer’s own words. So, the word ‘now’ within that statement I quoted is obviously not mine, okay? Good boy. I did not expect you to know that. Secondly, I’m not sure how history works in Beninland, but here in Yorubaland laymen don’t decide historical conclusions; historians do. And historians reach such conclusions by collecting & analyzing the aboriginal narrative about the actual people involved from they themselves. And the aboriginal narrative of the Yorubas regarding Oduduwa’s historical roots depicts him as having his roots on the soil of Yorubaland. This is the extant narrative on which the up-to-date conclusions of the world’s historical scholarship on African/Yoruba History was based to say that: “It is on the soil of Yorubaland that Oduduwa was born and raised”. I asked you to cry me five (5) different oceans. What are you still waiting for? davidnazee: Having punched that deeper in to your naturally thick Edo skull, the following are some English words and phrases which have proven evasive to Edos since the 1700s till date: (1) Aboriginal Narrative:— This, to an Edo slave, means Historical Conclusion. (2) The World’s Historical Scholarship:— This, to an Edo slave, means Yoruba Revisionist 2020/2021. Having said that, why are you so try hard to push for Oduduwa as Edo prince even when historians named that as an interesting nonsense which is also denied by extant received Benin accounts?? Furthermore, the Meccan & Middle-East narrative did not originate from the Yorubas’ own account. Lastly, the fact that you Benins literally believe that Ogiso-Igodo dived from the sky into Benin-City is not a sufficient basis for you to say we Yorubas believe the same about Oduduwa. * Winks. 7 Likes 3 Shares
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Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by babtoundey(m): 9:49pm On May 12, 2021 |
TAO11: The guy story is very upsetting. He they do me like make I eslap the idiot from here. 1 Like |
Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by TAO11(f): 10:14pm On May 12, 2021 |
babtoundey:Give internet access to an idiot. That’s what you get. 2 Likes |
Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by gregyboy(m): 12:36pm On May 13, 2021 |
TAO11: Yea idiot like tao11 still knows is fellow idiot |
Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by MYZOLE: 3:10pm On May 14, 2021 |
Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by SirNewtonNG: 11:28am On Feb 20, 2022 |
Damovintrain: Some people will smoke shisha and weed mixed with codeine and heroin before writing just to diminish yoruba history. I laugh the werey say only a bini can coronate o believe thats in the 7th dimension of your head right. TAO11 |
Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by SirNewtonNG: 11:40am On Feb 20, 2022 |
Fezz: Just look at the anger because a yoruba person breaks down the etymology of a yoruba word. So angry and insecure because you know it destroys the foolish fantasies you have been brainwashed with. Oduduwa is clearly a yoruba name you fool. Has no meaning in indigenous bini language same as manbmy of your king names and words which only have meaning in yoruba language. Clown! TAO11 2 Likes |
Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by Theplotter: 10:57pm On Feb 25, 2022 |
gregyboy: Yoruba supremacy is your greatest fear. Anytime you hear Yoruba your heart beat fast and your stomach churns violently. Don't worry, Our work of colonizing savages like you is done. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by christistruth01: 1:50am On Feb 27, 2022 |
Tao11 The King of Accra ( GA ) went to visit Ile Ife their Source He was said to have migrated to the Accra Area with 7 of his brothers from Ile Ife and was a descendant of Oduduwa https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMaOX7W6Vwo Cc SirNewtonNG 3 Likes |
Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by techWriter3: 2:56am On Feb 27, 2022 |
SirNewtonNG: Like "Iyoba" for Queen Idia. Imagine!!! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idia 2 Likes |
Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by TAO11(f): 2:57am On Feb 27, 2022 |
christistruth01:Amazing home-coming to Ifẹ—the source. 8 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by techWriter3: 3:01am On Feb 27, 2022 |
christistruth01: You should create a thread for this. 2 Likes |
Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by Theplotter: 11:59am On Feb 27, 2022 |
[quote author=Damovintrain post=101420062]What if I tell you that Ife originally is located at Kogi? And odudua was an Igala name that's Odu du WA meaning God's gifts. hear how it started. The so called Oduduwa was a bini Prince who had quarrels with his younger brother on who would succeed the late king their father. The younger began to sort means of harming the elder and was overwhelming the later. So the elder decided to leave the fight and allow his brother ruling instead of shedding blood. On his way running, he was caught by Ogala Kingdom boundary security guard. So after asking him who he was and where he came from, he feared not to be returned back to his bini people, so he said he was God sent or from God. So immediately, the guards rushed him to the king as he repeated the name as God sent. After some while in Ogala now Igala Kingdom, the king gave him his daughter to marry with an allotted land to farm known as Ife. There he bore children and feared that soon if he didn't change environment, his people would one-day know about this and come for him. So he ran with his wife and children to the now known Ile Ife that's Ife house or home of Ife. So meeting some Yoruba's there who were fighting war with the hope of finding a saviour, Odudua introduced himself as the sent from God. They asked for signs to proof his claim, he took them to a mountain top and instructed a rope to come out of the sky which he told them was his means of transportation to earth. Though some believed he got these magical powers from his bini Kingdom while others held it that the Ogala people who practiced Ifa (traditional religion of sand, water and air ). So after he lead them to battle which was won, he was installed as king. He was ruling when the bini people learnt their king was ruling another land successfully. So they came begging he follows them back but he refused rather asked one of his sons to go on his stead who was later killed. Till tomorrow in Ile Ife, there's a stool that no Yoruba person can sit on except a bini extract. And only a bini person can coronate an Ife Oba... Sorry I can't keep names and dates of this story... So no dates and names like the Ogala king,bini late king then etc [/quotes Another child has spoken. One of the numerous subject from one of the numerous Yoruba colonies. 1 Like |
Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by Olu317(m): 12:39am On Feb 28, 2022 |
[quote author=Theplotter post=110594317][/quote]Really? Igala that was not in existence in 11th century as a name attached to an ethnic group was the birth place of the same odu da iwa. Infact, what you just posited reminded of a peculiar animal which the English calls "deer" and Igala Yoruba language. Therefore Yoruba people had never identified themselves as "Igala people" at anytime in the past. While you may want to use linguistic comparison to assert your view but still with a lot of shortcoming. Anyway, you people can continue to wine and dine in perpetual falsehood. What remains is the fact that Odua was never and has never existed as Igala descent. |
Re: Exposed Origin Of Oduduwa by TAO11(f): 2:13am On Feb 28, 2022 |
Theplotter:Hilarious dog-shit. Dead on arrival. Try another dead revision. In the meantime, be informed that Oduduwa (a king of the Yoruba people of Ifẹ) is who the early indigenous traditions of the Yoruba people say he is. And the earliest indigenous traditions of Ife and of the Yoruba people notes that he is a native of Ifẹ from the hilly settlement of Oke-Ọra in the Iloromu part of the Ifẹ region. Cheers. 9 Likes 1 Share |
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