Isobug:

This is what we're talking about. You can't even Spell that Ordinary "Polytechnic". Upon all the University education

Even his diction went off track

NextBuhari:
HND and Bsc are not on the same. The university is the haven for the smartest and most intelligent minds. This policy is just to favour some section of the country who are predominantly HND holders.

U goof big time. Lots of dullards I can't even quantify in the university system. If u say uni is the Haven for the smartest and most intelligent, that means it's the university that's turning most of them to dullards within the space of 4 or 5 years of study. Because most of the graduates our universities produce these days are nothing to write home about.

bcomputer101:
Make una keep deceiving yourself.


How will you compare Bsc with ordinary HND.

To get admission in University, you need to score as high above 200 in JAMB.
But with just 120, you will get admission in any Polytechnic of your choice.


Incase you want to beat me, come my house

Your address please...

tayooluwole:


You're daft, I am a Bsc holder but i will like you tell me the difference between BSC and HND. No be the same environment of learning? Most HND holders i know are far brilliant than some of us way grad from Uni

leave am to dey talk. Me wey finish ond with 3.07 very close to lower in poly standard i become no 2man when i gain de into uni.

Odidigboigbo:
This has nothing to do with private company. Private company recruit based on what you can offer and years of experience. In private company, you can see someone with OND being the HOD of someone with MSc. In my former place, my supervisor was HND holder while I have two MSc before I joined them. Though, I met him there, he was the one that interviewed me.

in the company i work an OND holder is our best detailer plus other designs. As in the guy is 500% good. He earns a bery descent pay and If my boss is ever hear anyone disrespects his position that person is fired!!

DonroxyII:


... not even same curriculum...

Polytechnic is a Technical School .....
University is for Concept and Intellectualism

The bolded is the greatest difference between polytechnics and universities. And since the world started we know that those with the ability for abstract reasoning are far more intelligent than those who are simply technical.

The guy who formulates the theory / concepts (Einstein, Newton, Tesla, etc) is more intelligent than the guy who uses the theory/concepts to produce tools.

The man who sits on earth and conceptualises the galaxies, even calculating with great precision the distance between the earth and other planets, is far more intelligent than the guy who solves visible problems with visible tools. Herein lies the difference between Africans and Caucasians: Africans are technologists and technicians by nature while the Caucasians are scientists.

This not necessarily a problem, as both groups should unite to produce formidable results.

Isobug:

This is what we're talking about. You can't even Spell that Ordinary "Polytechnic". Upon all the University education

i had to screenshot this and post on my WhatsApp ; that response was over savage

Raph82:
Even his diction went off track

Forget that dude

bcomputer101:
Make una keep deceiving yourself.


How will you compare Bsc with ordinary HND.

To get admission in University, you need to score as high above 200 in JAMB.
But with just 120, you will get admission in any Polytechnic of your choice.


Incase you want to beat me, come my house

This is exactly what you see in a country of good people ruled by charlatans and nonsensical old fat belly greedy idiots in the name of leaders.spits

If they succeed the will scrap PGD before Masters for HND holders

Austin4Jesus:
Old same news that never gets implemented

It has been implemented in Paramilitary agencies.

OlujobaSamuel:

You are right. However, some countries won't accept it. I think due to WES evaluation, only US currently accepts it. I once applied to a sch in Canada and I was told it's not acceptable.
I've tried to find out the status of the certificate and discovered that we are virtually the only country issuing it, others have done some modification, while we choose to get stuck in the mud.
Anyway, Na MSc be my own wahala for now, I don leave the 2 behind.

This is part of the problem. If you apply to the school without first evaluating your degree, some/many schools do not have internal credential evaluation departments so they will likely reject your degree. That's why there are accredited credential evaluation organizations like WES in the US and Canada. You evaluate your credentials first with them, then apply to the school with the evaluated credential. You'll be surprised the same college will accept it.

geemailer2019:


This is part of the problem. If you apply to the school without first evaluating your degree, some/many schools do not have internal credential evaluation departments so they will likely reject your degree. That's why there are accredited credential evaluation organizations like WES in the US and Canada. You evaluate your credentials first with them, then apply to the school with the evaluated credential. You'll be surprised the same college will accept it.

I get you. Some schools are specific about the unacceptabilitty, schools (Canada) that rejects it allows you to enroll for a preMSc programme for a year, more like PGD then you commence your MSc, but you don't need to reapply for the MSc when you conclude the programme, you just update your result and continue with the MSc.
Btw, do you know of any evaluation organisation acceptable in European countries, I can't afford to start sending my transcripts to different schools from Nigerian institutions that will take time to process just 1 transcript

I can't remember how many times in the last 20 years that this abolision has been talked about.

MrHighSea:
It'll usher in more chaos.

HND can't lecture.
HND can't register as a senior member in some professional bodies.
HND can't run Masters directly.

In engineering, We have Craftsman (SSCE), Technicians(Ond), Technologist (HND), Engineer(Bsc).

They should revise the curriculum of Polytechnics, then award them B.Tech.

What is difference between B.Tech and B.Sc?

bcomputer101:
Make una keep deceiving yourself.


How will you compare Bsc with ordinary HND.

To get admission in University, you need to score as high above 200 in JAMB.
But with just 120, you will get admission in any Polytechnic of your choice.


Incase you want to beat me, come my house

Some polytechnics have higher cut off than some universities. Cut off is determined by number of applicants for a course.

How can reasonable elite compare Diploma to a Degree

Fasindo:





Lazy Senate.

Create Jobs for people.
If you have Batchelor degree without handwork in Nigeria is a waste.
If you have HND without a handwork in Nigeria is a waste.

Do you know that a First school leaving certificate holder with handwork or business of his/her own is more useful than a jobless B.Sc and HND holder

Exactly how you are a waste and useless! Failure!

The main problem is lack of jobs! Why not create jobs for a start!

Guys, I am in support always but this is a deaf reaction with all the situation of the country.. Na dichotomy be the next?? Chai.


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Raph82:
U goof big time. Lots of dullards I can't even quantify in the university system. If u say uni is the Haven for the smartest and most intelligent, that means it's the university that's turning most of them to dullards within the space of 4 or 5 years of study. Because most of the graduates our universities produce these days are nothing to write home about.

Agreed, that our educational standards have generally declined, however, the graduates from the Polytechnics are not any better. Again, most of the best graduating students from the best secondary schools in Nigeria, end up in the universities. Do you have a contrary view about this fact?

NextBuhari:
Agreed, that our educational standards have generally declined, however, the graduates from the Polytechnics are not any better. Again, most of the best graduating students from the best secondary schools in Nigeria, end up in the universities. Do you have a contrary view about this fact?

I laugh in Swahili!
This has really proven to me that u know nothing about what u're talking about. Many could not afford university education, many have nobody to sponsor them. Do u know how many brilliant guys out there that drop out of school every year due to lack of funds to complete their education? So those ones are not smart or have good grades in their SSCE? See don't even go there. So u want to tell me most of those who could not go beyond secondary school education are dullards? Do u even take ur time ones in a while to go out of ur enclave of stupendous comfort to see what people are facing out there? I can give u countless instances. I don't expect anybody to be saying this.

GreyLaw:


The bolded is the greatest difference between polytechnics and universities. And since the world started we know that those with the ability for abstract reasoning are far more intelligent than those who are simply technical.

The guy who formulates the theory / concepts (Einstein, Newton, Tesla, etc) is more intelligent than the guy who uses the theory/concepts to produce tools.

The man who sits on earth and conceptualises the galaxies, even calculating with great precision the distance between the earth and other planets, is far more intelligent than the guy who solves visible problems with visible tools. Herein lies the difference between Africans and Caucasians: Africans are technologists and technicians by nature while the Caucasians are scientists.

This not necessarily a problem, as both groups should unite to produce formidable results.

You know many fools in the Senate are mostly HND products and Certificateless Products of Abysmal schools ....

Most of them even buy their certificate for political and appointment reasons ..... we have far less intellectual on Nigerian Political Sphere ....

How could a sane man compare a Poly"TECHNIC" with a University ......

It is like comparing someone with B.Eng Mechanical Engineering and Kasimu that is a Road Side Mechanic who learn from Suraju for 3years ..... Create his own shop and started practicing....

HND/OND is just a way of Formalising the education of Road side technologists and Technical people ........

But when Polytechnic started offering humanitarian and social/management science courses such as Accounting, Economics , Biz Admin, Finance, etc Linguistics, and many just to generate revenue.... That's Nigerian way of bastardising the Nigerian Educational System...

We have very long way to go as a Nation and as a People .... if at the Senate (Highest Decision Making Organ of Nigerian People) B.sc is being Equalled to HND ?

The Problem is not leaving soon !!

Drefaithful:
This remind of my days in Federal polytechnic Offa, During one of our Aluta in
2004, we marched enmass to the the Rector's office, Dr Razak Bello then, He came out and addressed us, having exhaust all our agenda, we requested that in his capacity, he should try to help us fight the Dichotomy between Bsc and HND, his reply was what led me to go to University. he says '' even at the entry level, Polytechnic requests for 4 O'level Credit while University requests for 5 O'level Credit '' since that day, i had already made up my mind for varsity education, which i eventually did.

This bill is long overdue and is a welcome development, Because of the scarcity of varsity admission which has been prompting most students to opt for Polytechnic education, all of us cannot go to University.

The bitter truth is that, the compliance level will be very low, though in Public Sector they will comply, but i can tell you ahead of time that in private sector, the discrimination continues, most especially the multinational companies, like Big 4, we have in accounting. the likes of PWC, KPMG, Ernest & Young and Delliotte.

You have not done justice to yourself and your education .

What I expected you to put up there was the difference between the knowledge module you received in the Polytechnic and the knowledge module you received in the University and how both knowledge module has impacted your Reasonability.......

I was also a product of Offa Poly and also a Unilorite ....

Infact the academic environment, quality of students and relationship and quality of education differs as well as the curriculum (Module of Knowledge)

University impacted more advanced on my knowledge module than Polytechnic....

The dichotomy was not just established For fallacy , there is an academic gap !

Raph82:
I laugh in Swahili!
This has really proven to me that u know nothing about what u're talking about. Many could not afford university education, many have nobody to sponsor them. Do u know how many brilliant guys out there that drop out of school every year due to lack of funds to complete their education? So those ones are not smart or have good grades in their SSCE? See don't even go there. So u want to tell me most of those who could not go beyond secondary school education are dullards? Do u even take ur time ones in a while to go out of ur enclave of stupendous comfort to see what people are facing out there? I can give u countless instances. I don't expect anybody to be saying this.

It is like saying the girl who won the most beautiful girl in Nigeria beauty pageant is not the most beautiful because there are more beautiful girls out there hawking Akara on the street. Don't digress. We're talking about the comparisons between those who successfully make it to both systems.

NextBuhari:
It is like saying the girl who won the most beautiful girl in Nigeria beauty pageant is not the most beautiful because there are more beautiful girls out there hawking Akara on the street. Don't digress. We're talking about the comparisons between those who successfully make it to both systems.

So all those who successfully made it to university are qualified to be there? And all who did not make it there are not bright enough? What of those who could not afford uni education and decided to port to polytechnics? What of those who were not admitted due to quota system, strong internal politics, the know-somebody syndrome in the university system. What of those who failed Jamb exams many times and took the backdoor to get into the university system with the aid of quack Pre-degree programmes? After the one year Pre-degree programme, the next thing is let my people go. The bolded is never a yardstick to know bright students.

NextBuhari:
It is like saying the girl who won the most beautiful girl in Nigeria beauty pageant is not the most beautiful because there are more beautiful girls out there hawking Akara on the street. Don't digress. We're talking about the comparisons between those who successfully make it to both systems.

So all those who successfully made it to university are qualified to be there? And all who did not make it there are not bright enough? What of those who could not afford uni education and decided to port to polytechnics? What of those who were not admitted due to quota system, strong internal politics, the know-somebody syndrome in the university system? What of those who failed Jamb exams many times and took the backdoor to get into the university system with the aid of quack Pre-degree programmes? After the one year Pre-degree programme, the next thing is let my people go. The bolded is never a yardstick to know bright students. Case closed.

Vetsolo:


They still remain stag nated at level 14 going to 15 unless they provide a masters or a BSC or it equivalent only Bsc can progress to 15 without itches

Since it a law now? it shouldn't be a problem getting to level 15 or above...

niyidenrele:


Laff wan kill me o
Kikikikikiki

Nigeria is just a special country; we complain about white-black racism but ethnic groups race themselves here.
Some stupeed leaders render the educational system and values useless...
They have started with private universities too now, give them few years, UI graduate will not be proud to introduce him or herself a university graduate....note that.

They are done with HND holders already...

Are you quoting this to people who do not reason. Majority of our law makers are educated illiterates. They don't even know what drives a nation.

Upgrade these polytechnics to degrees awarding level and stop all these drama, no they will keep acting like fools.

MrHighSea:
It'll usher in more chaos.

HND can't lecture.
HND can't register as a senior member in some professional bodies.
HND can't run Masters directly.

In engineering, We have Craftsman (SSCE), Technicians(Ond), Technologist (HND), Engineer(Bsc).

They should revise the curriculum of Polytechnics, then award them B.Tech.

Dichotomy in academic qualifications does not exist, it's simply a misplacement of value trying to twist an event in a wrong direction.

Isobug:

That's the dichotomy we're talking about

Very correct. I'm privilege to be trained in both environment,
ND, HND and BEng.
1. entry requirements are different

2. A 3 credit in polytechnic is not the same as 3 credit in Uni. Please don't let the size of credit deceive you.

3. The strength and levels of the lectures.

With my HND upper credit, I wasn't admitted into 300 level but rather 200 level. I asked the HOD why, he said they used to, but stopped when the performance of those they have been admitting into 300 level continue to decline.

At first I felt cheated by our education system, planning to quit the program but was encouraged by friends, loved ones and HOD Mechanical Engineering department.

After my 200 level, I was grateful to God because the foundation courses I was thought in polytechnic was a fraction of what the syllabus holds in the Uni ( ATBU).

In summary, the government should start from here and abolish HND or face a greater harm in the future

DonroxyII:
You have not done justice to yourself and your education .

What I expected you to put up there was the difference between the knowledge module you received in the Polytechnic and the knowledge module you received in the University and how both knowledge module has impacted your Reasonability.......

I was also a product of Offa Poly and also a Unilorite ....

Infact the academic environment, quality of students and relationship and quality of education differs as well as the curriculum (Module of Knowledge)

University impacted more advanced on my knowledge module than Polytechnic....

The dichotomy was not just established For fallacy , there is an academic gap !