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calvin0622:
A prophet can never be appreciated in his home town.

Forget that thing... If you know wetin i know you go hate that man for life... Nor be wetin u think

ikorodureporta:
If Joshua was fake, then Oyakhilome is also fake... Not different from him

Can a bad tree produce good fruits?

mrkings84:
You are right to some extent!, Good morning

To some extent? Please feel free to point out the areas the incorrect ideas made there.

Goldenklassy:
So,because they are prophet doing unusual things,they belong to satan...why not pray a fervent prayer and ask God to open your eyes to see where t.b joshua was transited to.

Every one who believes in Jesus Christ remains sleeping in the grave after death, waiting for Jesus Christ to return to judge them each for their works here on earth.

You don't need to pray to know this because God already told you this over 2000 years ago, if only you would read the Gospels to learn the truth of God.

FYI Unbelievers do not sleep but instead perish(cease to exist meaning their mind , body and soul returns to dust) after death. There is no afterlife for them. This you can also learn from reading the Gospel as taught by Jesus Christ .

CardiNice:
The death of prophet TB Joshua has certified my suspicion of many years that big and popular pastors especially the non prophets, don't like TB Joshua.

There is a divided ship in Nigeria when it comes to NIGERIA pastors, if you look at it very well, there are those that are for TB JOSHUA and those that are for the other G,O of another ministry, but i won't mention any name of G,O on this thread.

I've realised that the men of GOD that have paid tribute to TB Joshua are all prohets of GOD.

Up till now, no words of tribute from the Christian bodies of Nigeria. The famous and popular G,O of big Nigeria ministries are quiet.
But men and women of GOD from other different countries from Africa and the world are all paying their tributes and even crying on television because of the calling home of TB Joshua.

I know the award giving to him by the presidency of Goodluck Jonathan many years ago will fuel jealousy from other Nigeria men of GOD.

So below is a well documented YouTube video to prove that many pastors in Nigeria were jealous of TB Joshua.
They even disliked him.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXxI6S3Wn4E

If you are a christain
You should know Prophets are different from Pastors

Both are christains BUT great Prophets are usually divine

You don't learn to be a real/great prophet
But u can learn to be a pastor and motivational speaker!

CardiNice:
I remember when a certain man of GOD built a big auditorium in a so so so state in Nigeria.
Many popular preachers where invited and surprisingly no TB JOSHUA, no prophet Jeremiah of Mercy land Warri, infact all the major prophets of GOD in Nigeria and Africa were not invited.

And i began to wonder why.

The fact that people calls themselves Pastors and Prophets do not mean they belong together. They were not annointed or declared Pastors by the same person or institution that can vouch for their calling.

And the Bible in Job 1:6 stated that when the Sons of God gathered to present themselves before God, even Satan himself joined them as if he belonged there! False Prophets or Pastprs is not a myth. A true Pastor cannot just associate with everyone that calls himself a Pastor!

bizzibodi:
From the fruit you are exhibiting you dnt really know Jesus or follow his teaching or obey his commandments,you turn yourself to judges of men....Jesus said remove d log in your eyes first..in d parable of d sower,he told those who follow him to leave the thorns,bad seeds for him to sort out. God allow d good & bad to co-exist he knows when to judge all men according to their work.
You will think you are helping God to do his work but when you drop your material body you will be shock you are hell bound.
Repent!ye are turning yourself to self appointed judge & executioner.

1. Jesus Christ said to remove the log in my eyes and I already did that in obedience to Jesus Christ. So, how can you say that by doing what Jesus Christ said to do, I disobey Him?

2. God allowed the good and bad seeds to grow together but recall this was after he judged the bad as evil and condemned them to burn in the fire in the end. The same thing Jesus Christ did when He condemned those who would come selling lies in His name as false teachers and prophets and condemned them with curses all over - Matthew 23 is filled with curses on false Teacher and prophets and even those who follow them.

3. If you don't already know where you will spend eternity, then you definitely need to repent. There are two gates into the Kingdom of God - Matthew 7 vs 13 -14. Those who enter in through the Broad gate are destined for the fires of Hell. Those who enter in through the Narrow gate are destined for Heaven, and they know it.
If you do not know where you will spend your eternity even now - you need to go back. Repent(change your heart and life to obey the commandments of Jesus Christ), believe in Jesus Christ and eat communion to be saved, be baptized in water and then be born of Spirit in order to be born again...all this so you can re-enter into the Kingdom of God through the narrow gate that leads to Heaven.

IPIGSRMUMUS:
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Dumb ass reta@ded brainwashed religious slave monkey. E pained you that I exposed your fake religious TRASH abi?
Basta@d reta@ded monkey.

STFU and FVCK OFF . Your mumuness is obviously inherited.

You lack home training apparently

bizzibodi:
All those prophets are God's servant too..preparing d way to Jesus...all link like a step.

1. Sure they were also God's prophets and prepared the way for Jesus Christ but they are not Jesus Christ.

2. God is a God of Laws and God never called anyone to follow after His prophets instead He calls all to following of His Law .i.e. submission to and obedience of His Law. The Old Covenant Law of Moses(YHWH) in the Kingdom of Canaan is the Law that even the Old Prophets were bound to as Descendants of the bloodline of Jacob. The New Covenant Law of the Kingdom of God(Jesus Christ) is the Law that binds all those who will believe in Jesus Christ.

So you see, it makes no sense for anyone who is of the New Covenant, thinking to follow the Old Covenant prophets by their examples when Jesus Christ is the Law(His life the example for how to live in this new dispensation) your life is meant to be lived in submission and obedience to.

Kobojunkie:
1. Sure they were also God's prophets and prepared the way for Jesus Christ but they are not Jesus Christ.

2. God is a God of Laws and God never called anyone to follow after His prophets instead He calls all to following of His Law .i.e. submission to and obedience of His Law. The Old Covenant Law of Moses(YHWH) in the Kingdom of Canaan is the Law that even the Old Prophets were bound to as Descendants of the bloodline of Jacob. The New Covenant Law of the Kingdom of God(Jesus Christ) is the Law that binds all those who will believe in Jesus Christ.

So you see, it makes no sense for anyone who is of the New Covenant, thinking to follow the Old Covenant prophets by their examples when Jesus Christ is the Law(His life the example for how to live in this new dispensation) your life is meant to be lived in submission and obedience to.

Why are U mixing things up who is following old testament prophets?you folks alway quotes from d old testament to members & that is where d key to gullibility is found.

Kobojunkie:
To some extent? Please feel free to point out the areas the incorrect ideas made there.

Don't wanna get involve to anything that look like argument....

bizzibodi:
Why are U mixing things up who is following old testament prophets?you folks alway quotes from d old testament to members & that is where d key to gullibility is found.

1. All the prophets whose examples you pointed to were all Old Covenant prophets.

2. You folks who? Pay attention please! Referencing the Word of God delivered through His prophets of Old from even the old testament is one thing but using examples from old testament as evidence or reason for living in the New Covenant is another thing entirely. And those who teach you to do the latter are deceivers.

3. The same knowledge available to those you install as teachers over your lives is the same knowledge of God that is also available to you too and this through God Himself. He, God, will teach you, if you will cease listening to those men and have Him as your one and only Teacher Jeremiah 31 vs 31-34 - just as Jesus Christ told you it should be - John 6 vs 43-45 . So no one can plead ignorance or gullibility where God is concerned.

bizzibodi:
Same judgement brother!

We're not talking about judgement here. We're talking about why a man TB Joshua was not accepted into the Christian fold.

The one who deviates from his master's teaching is still different from one who serves another master but pretends to be serving the true master.

You'll expect the deviating servant to be able to mix with other servants because it's the master that judges him. The other who pretends to be a servant when he's not would be rejected outright.

The pastors you mentioned are not jealous, but there are too many practices T. B. Joshua carried out that was not really in line with the bible. Though i moan his passing.

itu404:
The pastors you mentioned are not jealous, but there are too many practices T. B. Joshua carried out that was not really in line with the bible. Though i moan his passing.

Name just one pastor you believe in fact walks in line with the Bible and I can show you that he/she is just another one of the false prophets and teachers Jesus Christ warn you never to listen to or follow.

Babinski:
The fact that people calls themselves Pastors and Prophets do not mean they belong together. They were not annointed or declared Pastors by the same person or institution that can vouch for their calling.

And the Bible in Job 1:6 stated that when the Sons of God gathered to present themselves before God, even Satan himself joined them as if he belonged there! False Prophets or Pastprs is not a myth. A true Pastor cannot just associate with everyone that calls himself a Pastor!

There is only one Shepherd(Pastor) to those who belong to God's flock - Ezekiel 34 vs 9 - 16. Every other one who claims to be Shepherd - John 10 vs 7 - 15 - , Teacher - Matthew 23 vs 7 - or even "spiritual father" -Matthew 23 vs 9 - to those who belong to God is a fraud and a false Teacher, Prophet or Pastor .

BRATISLAVA:
You're beginning to sound like the teachers you revile
If people shouldn't listen to them because they're false teachers, why should anyone listen to you as a false teacher, too?

You are meant to listen to God, not to me - John 6 vs 43-45. I am simply telling you what God Himself said you ought to be doing and it is up to you to heed God's own word and do as He says you should - Jeremiah 31 vs 31 -34

iPrevail:
What is this fruit exactly? Buying private jets and clamoring for tithes? Humor me

In the Kingdom of God, your fruits are your responses to the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ, where those who live in disobedience are said to produce bad fruits whereas those who live in obedience produce good fruits.

Kobojunkie:
You are meant to listen to God, not to me - John 6 vs 43-45. I am simply telling you what God Himself said you ought to be doing and it is up to you to heed God's own word and do as He says you should - Jeremiah 31 vs 31 -34

Why are you condemning others when you are doing the same thing?

Why should anyone listen to you simply telling them anything, when you are a false preacher by default, too? You can't tell us anything.

BRATISLAVA:
Why are you condemning others when you are doing the same thing?

Why should anyone listen to you simply telling them anything, when you are a false preacher by default, too? You can't tell us anything.

Who have I condemened and how?

I am not a teacher, I am simply one who follows Jesus Christ. Do you have some sort of problem with me stating the Truth according to the Gospel of the Kingdom of God?

Kobojunkie:
Who have I condemened and how?

I am not a teacher, I am simply one who follows Jesus Christ. Do you have some sort of problem with me stating the Truth according to the Gospel of the Kingdom of God?

"False preachers"

BRATISLAVA:
"False preachers"

Can you at least provide evidence of the falsehood you claim?

Any evidence that I have in fact lied?

Kobojunkie:
Can you at least provide evidence of the falsehood you claim?

Any evidence that I have in fact lied?

Your first post quoted on the thread.

BRATISLAVA:
Your first post quoted on the thread.

So what particular statement in this is a lie...

Kobojunkie:
1. God already issued final judgments on all them false prophets and teachers over 2000 years ago.

2. You should pay attention to the teachings of Jesus Christ to know this. Jesus Christ spent what I believe to be more than 30% of His time teaching you to identify the liars /wolves from among His sheep.

3. All your Mogs are false Teachers and false prophets that Jesus Christ carefuilly warned you against listening to.

Where is this lie you accuse me of? Which of the statements do you pretend is against Jesus Christ?

Kobojunkie:
So what particular statement in this is a lie... Where is this lie you accuse me of? Which of the statements do you pretend is against Jesus Christ?

3. You are also attempting to preach. And you said all of them are false preachers. Thus your message is false.

Anyway, not here to argue but point out your seeming hypocrisy.

BRATISLAVA:
3. You are also attempting to preach. And you said all of them are false preachers. Thus your message is false.

Anyway, not here to argue but point out your seeming hypocrisy.

1. Jesus Christ sent His followers out to preach the Gospel of the Kingdom of God to the world.

2. I didn't even call them false preachers but instead I called them all false Teachers and Prophets same as Jesus Christ did.

I am not trying to argue either. Just trying to find out what lie I am accused of telling this time by you .

Kobojunkie:
1. Jesus Christ sent His followers out to preach the Gospel of the Kingdom of God to the world.

2. I didn't even call them false preachers but instead I called them all false Teachers and Prophets same as Jesus Christ did.

I am not trying to argue either. Just trying to find out what lie I am accused of telling this time by you .

"False teacher"

BRATISLAVA:
"False teacher"

1. A preacher of the Gospel is one who repeats the message of His master without adding to or removing from it. Every follower of Jesus Christ is called to preach the Gospel of the Kingdom as given by Jesus Christ to the world.

2. Your teachers however are those who teach the doctrines and traditions of men, lies, in the name of God. Jesus Christ warned against such people and He judge and condemned them from when He was still on earth.
God said He alone is Teacher to those who belong to His Kingdom - Jeremiah 31 vs 34. Jesus Christ affirmed this when He declared that only those taught by God belong to Him - John 6 vs 43 -45.

So, you here you accuse me of being a false teacher and I ask that you point out the lie I am guilty of telling here.

NobleRace:
We're not talking about judgement here. We're talking about why a man TB Joshua was not accepted into the Christian fold.

The one who deviates from his master's teaching is still different from one who serves another master but pretends to be serving the true master.

You'll expect the deviating servant to be able to mix with other servants because it's the master that judges him. The other who pretends to be a servant when he's not would be rejected outright.

Wow!someone who called the name of Jesus,follow his teachings,perform miracles,feeds d lord's sheep is not a Christian,Preach Jesus commandments love your neighbours & also practice it not a Christian means Christ like
Even him calling on d name of Jesus every knees must bow,can a demon posses entity call the name JESUS?
We know them by their fruits.
An occultic man will adorn his church with occultic symbols,occultic color like red & black,candles,incest.
His dressing will have a touch of red,black,neckchains with weird symbols & rings encrusted in strange symbols on two or more fingers this we have not seen him with any.

But according to you someone who appear sanctimonious extorts members of his church,pauperise them,hypnotised them,use there resources to acquired choice properties home & abroad,buy privates jets.
.Use mopol as security.
.Make members idolised him.
.Threaten his neighbour with death not spirit of forgiveness.
. Boastful.
.Who's sermons centred on prosperity,tithings,offerings:-pastors offering,first fruits,first month offering,end of d year offering.
.Performs miracles in a specific period of the year.
Is the true man of God?More Christ-like?
Common tell something sensible!

bizzibodi:
Wow!someone who called the name of Jesus,follow his teachings,perform miracles,feeds d lord's sheep is not a Christian,Preach Jesus commandments love your neighbours & also practice it not a Christian means Christ like
Even him calling on d name of Jesus every knees must bow,can a demon posses entity call the name JESUS?
We know them by their fruits.
An occultic man will adorn his church with occultic symbols,occultic color like red & black,candles,incest.
His dressing will have a touch of red,black,neckchains with weird symbols & rings encrusted in strange symbols on two or more fingers this we have not seen him with any.

But according to you someone who appear sanctimonious extorts members of his church,pauperise them,hypnotised them,use there resources to acquired choice properties home & abroad,buy privates jets.
.Use mopol as security.
.Make members idolised him.
.Threaten his neighbour with death not spirit of forgiveness.
. Boastful.
.Who's sermons centred on prosperity,tithings,offerings:-pastors offering,first fruits,first month offering,end of d year offering.
.Performs miracles in a specific period of the year.
Is the true man of God?More Christ-like?
Common tell something sensible!

Jesus Himself said "on that day, they would say unto me Lord, in your name we cast out devils....But I'll say unto them, I know you not, ye workers of iniquity."

This type of discussion isn't for baby Christians. They can't understand. A mature Christian has an anointing within that helps him with discernment.

Extortive pastors have their own sins. Their extortions does not in anyway justify TB Joshua. TB Joshua's showbiz ministry does not justify them either. True men of God are very few. Most of those whom the world follows are hirelings. I pray the Holy Ghost will give you Understanding.

Kobojunkie:
1. All the prophets whose examples you pointed to were all Old Covenant prophets.

2. You folks who? Pay attention please! Referencing the Word of God delivered through His prophets of Old from even the old testament is one thing but using examples from old testament as evidence or reason for living in the New Covenant is another thing entirely. And those who teach you to do the latter are deceivers.

3. The same knowledge available to those you install as teachers over your lives is the same knowledge of God that is also available to you too and this through God Himself. He, God, will teach you, if you will cease listening to those men and have Him as your one and only Teacher Jeremiah 31 vs 31-34 - just as Jesus Christ told you it should be - John 6 vs 43-45 . So no one can plead ignorance or gullibility where God is concerned.

So the God of old testament is now different from the God of New testament?when it suit you.

bizzibodi:
So the God of old testament is now different from the God of New testament?when it suit you.

God is a God of Laws and each of His Laws He gives specifically to different peoples for different purposes


1. The Old Covenant Law of Moses(YHWH) was given by God to those descended from Jacob as Law in the Land(Kingdom of Canaan). The details of the Law are found written down inthe book of the Law of Moses( Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy) for you to learn the details of it for yourself. That Law is what God judged His people by throughout the Old testament. The Law is an eternal Law however. .

2. The New Covenant Law known as Jesus Christ was given by God to all of the world as Law in the Kingdom of God. The details of this Law are found written of in the Gospel teachings of Jesus Christ (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John) and it is by this standard(Law) that all who belong in the Kingdom of God are judged. Jesus Christ is the embodiment of this Law and so even His examples, we are meant to model in our every day lives, along with His teachings. This Law is also an eternal Law.

So you have the very same God but He has different Laws. God Himself never changes. You dont get to pick and choose.God chose the Law to which we are bound. What we are meant to do is submit and obey.