NobleRace:


Jesus Himself said "on that day, they would say unto me Lord, in your name we cast out devils....But I'll say unto them, I know you not, ye workers of iniquity."

This type of discussion isn't for baby Christians. They can't understand. A mature Christian has an anointing within that helps him with discernment.

Extortive pastors have their own sins. Their extortions does not in anyway justify TB Joshua. TB Joshua's showbiz ministry does not justify them either. True men of God are very few. Most of those whom the world follows are hirelings. I pray the Holy Ghost will give you Understanding.

Jesus also said remove the log from your eye first....
Also tells you in d parable of the sower leave the harvest for him I;e leave judgement to him:he alone will separate the wheat from the chaff.did God appointed you as his judge?
With your spirit of discernment how many have you discern mentioned names.

Kobojunkie:
Every one who believes in Jesus Christ remains sleeping in the grave after death, waiting for Jesus Christ to return to judge them each for their works here on earth.

You don't need to pray to know this because God already told you this over 2000 years ago, if only you would read the Gospels to learn the truth of God.

FYI Unbelievers do not sleep but instead perish(cease to exist meaning their mind , body and soul returns to dust) after death. There is no afterlife for them. This you can also learn from reading the Gospel as taught by Jesus Christ .

Eeh!if they ceast to exist after death then nothing like hell then.

bizzibodi:

Eeh!if they ceast to exist after death then nothing like hell then.

Hell is a domain in the Kingdom of God, and only those who believe in Jesus Christ can enter in through the Broad Gate that leads even to Hell - Matthew 7 vs 13 - 14.

The same Jesus Christ said, "Except a man be born-again .i.e. born of water and of Spirit, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God (Heaven or Hell) ". - John 3 vs 1 - 21

Unbelievers as a result of their unbelief are already condemned to perish in the grave, and this has been so since the time of Adam, the first of them.

olatuns2017:


If you are a christain
You should know Prophets are different from Pastors

Both are christains BUT great Prophets are usually divine

You don't learn to be a real/great prophet
But u can learn to be a pastor and motivational speaker!

True prophets are nazirite in nature.
There lifestyle will look weird to others.

bizzibodi:

True prophets are nazirite in nature.
There lifestyle will look weird to others.

1. Nazarites are of the Old Covenant and so also have to be descendants of Jacob. God bound those of Jewish descent to His Old Covenant(YHWH) so there are no gentile prophets of Old Covenant - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20.

2. Not all the Old Covenant Prophets were Nazarites. Moses, Zechariah, Ezekiel, were not listed as Nazarites - .I.e they were not a result of Nazarite vows made by their parents.

3. In the New Covenant, ALL followers of Jesus Christ who go on to becoming Sons of God( holy) - John 8 vs 31 - 40 - are defacto prophets since the Word of God is spoken by them and God through His Spirit lives inside of them - john 14 vs 23 - 31

Kobojunkie:
Hell is a domain in the Kingdom of God, and only those who believe in Jesus Christ can enter in through the Broad Gate that leads even to Hell - Matthew 7 vs 13 - 14.

Unbelievers as a result of their unbelief are already condemned to perish in the grave, and this has been so since the time of Adam, the first of them.

Hearing this for the first time,if ye all claim to be lead by d holy spirit why all this different believes in Christiandom?is God an author of confusion?

Kobojunkie:
1. Nazarites are of the Old Covenant and so also have to be descendants of Jacob. God bound those of Jewish descent to His Old Covenant(YHWH) so there are no gentile prophets of Old Covenant - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20.

2. Not all the Old Covenant Prophets were Nazarites. Moses, Zechariah, Ezekiel, were not listed as Nazarites - .I.e they were not a result of Nazarite vows made by their parents.

3. In the New Covenant, ALL followers of Jesus Christ who go on to becoming Sons of God( holy) - John 8 vs 31 - 40 - are defacto prophets since the Word of God is spoken by them and God through His Spirit lives inside of them - john 14 vs 23 - 31

But John the Baptist is nazirite too.

bizzibodi:

Jesus also said remove the log from your eye first....
Also tells you in d parable of the sower leave the harvest for him I;e leave judgement to him:he alone will separate the wheat from the chaff.did God appointed you as his judge?
With your spirit of discernment how many have you discern mentioned names.

My brother. I judge no one. I'm only saying what I know to be the truth from my own perspective.

You can decide to make TB Joshua your hero. I don't hate him. I earnestly wish he's in heaven right now.

But, I can say from his mode of operation that he was not a true servant of Christ.

Let me give you a little gist. In christiendom, Ministries don't envy themselves. Jealousy is mostly found in a few local churches. There's a tapping grace in every anointing. If you're more anointed than I, I simply move closer to you to become a partaker of your grace. I'll soon begin to flow in your type of anointing in no time. There's no room for jealousy.

The anointed men of God, and all upcoming ministers of the gospel shunned him because they know who he was. Otherwise, he would have made many sons and daughters.

Think about this:

Hubert Angel, a supposed occultic pastor who operates exactly like TB Joshua, and who even takes his own occultism to the extreme (in his church, members are made to eat grasses like oxen in the name of deliverance) has come out with a picture of himself and TB Joshua as being very close allies.

Look here. We have many ministers of the gospel outside of Nigeria who would have celebrated TB Joshua if the Nigerian pastors shunned him for jealousy sake.

When he died, Dag Heard Mills, Mensah Otabil (in nearby Ghana) Benny Hinn, Rod Pasley, TD Jakes, Bill Hermon, Joel Osteen to mention a few didn't utter a word of condolence. They're jealous of him too?

True Christians aren't happy when a sinner dies. It isn't that we're happy that TB Joshua is dead. Hell isn't a sweet place for anyone to spend eternity in. Personally, I'm saddened. I keep imagining where he could be right now. I have been hoping he had all the chance to make his ways right with God before departing. This will be the position of every man of God who has the Spirit of the living God dwelling in him.

You may not understand it now, but someday you will understand.

bizzibodi:

Hearing this for the first time,if ye all claim to be lead by d holy spirit why all this different believes in Christiandom?is God an author of confusion?

The same Jesus Christ said, "Except a man be born-again .i.e. born of water and of Spirit, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God (Heaven or Hell) ". - John 3 vs 1 - 21

The Gospel of the Kingdom of God, Jesus Christ, has been available for over 2000 years so God is not the reason why you are hearing of this for the first time and why there seems to be a confusion here with this.
You have simply been paying more attention to the ones God told you were false teachers and prophets is reason why even this Truth evades you.

bizzibodi:

But John the Baptist is nazirite too.

John the Baptist was an Old Covenant Prophet. He cleared the way for Jesus Christ but He was made righteous according to Old Covenant standard.

Even Jesus Christ made this clear when He declared of John the Baptist, that though he was the greatest of the Old Covenant prophets, still the least person in the Kingdom of God is greater than him, John the Baptist- Matthew 11 vs 11.

NobleRace:


My brother. I judge no one. I'm only saying what I know to be the truth from my own perspective.

You can decide to make TB Joshua your hero. I don't hate him. I earnestly wish he's in heaven right now.

But, I can say from his nose of operation that he's not a true servant of Christ.

Let me give you a little gist. In christiendom, Ministries don't envy themselves. Jealousy is mostly found in a few local churches. There's a tapping grace I every anointing. If you're more anointed than I, I simply move closer to you to become a partaker of your grace. I'll soon begin to flow in your type of anointing in no time. There's no room for jealousy.

The anointed men of God, and all upcoming ministers of the gospel shunned him because they know who he is. Otherwise, he would have made many sons and daughters.

Think about this:

Hubert Angel, a supposed occultic pastor who operates exactly like TB Joshua, and who even took his own occultism to the extreme (in his church, members are made to eat grasses like oxen in the name of deliverance) has come out with a picture of himself and TB Joshua as being very close allies.

Look here. We have many ministers of the gospel outside of Nigeria who would have celebrated TB Joshua if the Nigerian pasture shunned him for jealousy sake.

When he died, Dag Heard Mills, Mensah Otabil (in nearby Ghana) Benny Hinn, Rod Pasley, TD Jakes, Bill Hermon, Joel Osteen to mention a few didn't utter a word of condolence. They're jealous of him too?

True Christians aren't happy when a sinner dies. It isn't that we're happy that TB Joshua is dead. Hell isn't a sweet place for anyone to spend eternity in. Personally, I'm saddened. I keep imagining where he could be right now. I have been hoping he had all the chance to make his ways right with God before departing. This will be the position of every man of God who has the Spirit of the living God dwelling in him.

You may not understand it now, but someday you will understand.

From your own perspective,outlook you have judge him to be a sinner bound to hell...even if he was a sinner according to you he died do you know his last encounter with Jesus before he died?one of the 2 thieves was granted paradise by just his few moments with Jesus.
You seen to know who is right with God as if you have d book of life before you.
Why waste negative energy on who has passed on to meet his maker?
Even God said I will show mercy on whom I please.
If you said you are not a judge of prophet TB joshua then you lied.am seeing d fruits you bears.
Idle monitoring spirit is what you are,one who knows all things.even Benny Hinn you mentioned has his own controversies
Mr perfect!

NobleRace:


My brother. I judge no one. I'm only saying what I know to be the truth from my own perspective.

You can decide to make TB Joshua your hero. I don't hate him. I earnestly wish he's in heaven right now.

But, I can say from his mode of operation that he was not a true servant of Christ.

Let me give you a little gist. In christiendom, Ministries don't envy themselves. Jealousy is mostly found in a few local churches. There's a tapping grace in every anointing. If you're more anointed than I, I simply move closer to you to become a partaker of your grace. I'll soon begin to flow in your type of anointing in no time. There's no room for jealousy.

The anointed men of God, and all upcoming ministers of the gospel shunned him because they know who he was. Otherwise, he would have made many sons and daughters.

Think about this:

Hubert Angel, a supposed occultic pastor who operates exactly like TB Joshua, and who even takes his own occultism to the extreme (in his church, members are made to eat grasses like oxen in the name of deliverance) has come out with a picture of himself and TB Joshua as being very close allies.

Look here. We have many ministers of the gospel outside of Nigeria who would have celebrated TB Joshua if the Nigerian pastors shunned him for jealousy sake.

When he died, Dag Heard Mills, Mensah Otabil (in nearby Ghana) Benny Hinn, Rod Pasley, TD Jakes, Bill Hermon, Joel Osteen to mention a few didn't utter a word of condolence. They're jealous of him too?

True Christians aren't happy when a sinner dies. It isn't that we're happy that TB Joshua is dead. Hell isn't a sweet place for anyone to spend eternity in. Personally, I'm saddened. I keep imagining where he could be right now. I have been hoping he had all the chance to make his ways right with God before departing. This will be the position of every man of God who has the Spirit of the living God dwelling in him.

You may not understand it now, but someday you will understand.

Now this is a mature Spirit filled Christian.

Succinct valid points

NobleRace:


Jesus Himself said "on that day, they would say unto me Lord, in your name we cast out devils....But I'll say unto them, I know you not, ye workers of iniquity."

This type of discussion isn't for baby Christians. They can't understand. A mature Christian has an anointing within that helps him with discernment.

Extortive pastors have their own sins. Their extortions does not in anyway justify TB Joshua. TB Joshua's showbiz ministry does not justify them either. True men of God are very few. Most of those whom the world follows are hirelings. I pray the Holy Ghost will give you Understanding.

God bless your soul. I love your spirit of understanding and discretion. Very rare in this era. Heaven bless your soul bro

NobleRace:


We're not talking about judgement here. We're talking about why a man TB Joshua was not accepted into the Christian fold.

The one who deviates from his master's teaching is still different from one who serves another master but pretends to be serving the true master.

You'll expect the deviating servant to be able to mix with other servants because it's the master that judges him. The other who pretends to be a servant when he's not would be rejected outright.

Revelation... The one who deviates from His Master's doctrine and the one who disguises as though serves the Master.

Kobojunkie:
The same Jesus Christ said, "Except a man be born-again .i.e. born of water and of Spirit, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God (Heaven or Hell) ". - John 3 vs 1 - 21

The Gospel of the Kingdom of God, Jesus Christ, has been available for over 2000 years so God is not the reason why you are hearing of this for the first time and why there seems to be a confusion here with this.
You have simply been paying more attention to the ones God told you were false teachers and prophets is reason why even this Truth evades you.

The quotation never mentioned hell,what will born again be doing in hell?what do you understand by hell?

bizzibodi:

The quotation never mentioned hell,what will born again be doing in hell?what do you understand by hell?

Hell is as expressed by Jesus Christ in Matthew 25 vs 31-46.

bizzibodi:

True prophets are nazirite in nature.
There lifestyle will look weird to others.

100%

bizzibodi:

From your own perspective,outlook you have judge him to be a sinner bound to hell...even if he was a sinner according to you he died do you know his last encounter with Jesus before he died?one of the 2 thieves was granted paradise by just his few moments with Jesus.
You seen to know who is right with God as if you have d book of life before you.
Why waste negative energy on who has passed on to meet his maker?
Even God said I will show mercy on whom I please.
If you said you are not a judge of prophet TB joshua then you lied.am seeing d fruits you bears.
Idle monitoring spirit is what you are,one who knows all things.even Benny Hinn you mentioned has his own controversies
Mr perfect!

It's simple:

In his lifetime, TB Joshua never answered these succinct questions:

1. How did he get saved? Every believer has a salvation experience and testimony.

2. There's no one who walks in the supernatural without an a baptism in the Holy Spirit. What was his baptismal experience?

3. How did he receive the call of God into ministry?

4. Which church was he formally attending before he started synagogue?

Look my brother, the scriptures say "Try every Spirit'. Do you know why? 'Even Satan is digitised as an angel of light'. Do not be deceived.

Let me give you another gist. Those of us who have been opportune to taste the anointing, know how the Holy Spirit operates.

Have you considered that nothing happens in that synagogue independence of TB Joshua or his wise men?

There's never a move of the Holy Spirit in his congregation except by his own personal actions.

There are times I will mount the altar to preach, and suddenly the Holy Spirit will begin to move mightily without me doing anything! People get healed. They fall under the anointing. Deliverance takes place without me knowing anything about what is going on. See, that's the holy Spirit. He doesn't always wait for you. He takes the lead because He's the master. You're the servant. Take a clue from this. Take a clue also from the many unanswered questions that TB Joshua left behind. He had time to talk about his father and mother, but never had the time to tell the world his salvation testimony!

GreenFarmsNG:




God bless your soul. I love your spirit of understanding and discretion. Very rare in this era. Heaven bless your soul bro

Amen bro. God bless you too.

NobleRace:


It's simple:

In his lifetime, TB Joshua never answered these succinct questions:

1. How did he get saved? Every believer has a salvation experience and testimony.

2. There's no one who walks in the supernatural without an a baptism in the Holy Spirit. What was his baptismal experience?

3. How did he receive the call of God into ministry?

4. Which church was he formally attending before he started synagogue?

Look my brother, the scriptures say "Try every Spirit'. Do you know why? 'Even Satan is digitised as an angel of light'. Do not be deceived.

Let me give you another gist. Those of us who have been opportune to taste the anointing, know how the Holy Spirit operates.

Have you considered that nothing happens in that synagogue independence of TB Joshua or his wise men?

There's never a move of the Holy Spirit in his congregation except by his own personal actions.

There are times I will mount the altar to preach, and suddenly the Holy Spirit will begin to move mightily without me doing anything! People get healed. They fall under the anointing. Deliverance takes place without me knowing anything about what is going on. See, that's the holy Spirit. He doesn't always wait for you. He takes the lead because He's the master. You're the servant. Take a clue from this. Take a clue also from the many unanswered questions that TB Joshua left behind. He had time to talk about his father and mother, but never had the time to tell the world his salvation testimony!

Now this is true Spiritual Maturity. These days we see so many men who want nothing besides their will. The church can't sing sings that the whole congregation knows the HolySpirit is asking to be sung. Why? Daddy doesn't want anything outside Him.

I. Can't wait for Father to cleanse the vineyard. Funny thing is congregants and immature Christians barely understand such demands of the spirit of God.


The moment I feel or see any minister wants it all His way or no way else, I break my bond of fellowship with such individual and move.


Have you considered that nothing happens in that synagogue independence of TB Joshua or his wise men?

There's never a move of the Holy Spirit in his congregation except by his own personal actions.

NobleRace:


It's simple:

In his lifetime, TB Joshua never answered these succinct questions:

1. How did he get saved? Every believer has a salvation experience and testimony.

2. There's no one who walks in the supernatural without an a baptism in the Holy Spirit. What was his baptismal experience?

3. How did he receive the call of God into ministry?

4. Which church was he formally attending before he started synagogue?

Look my brother, the scriptures say "Try every Spirit'. Do you know why? 'Even Satan is digitised as an angel of light'. Do not be deceived.

Let me give you another gist. Those of us who have been opportune to taste the anointing, know how the Holy Spirit operates.

Have you considered that nothing happens in that synagogue independence of TB Joshua or his wise men?

There's never a move of the Holy Spirit in his congregation except by his own personal actions.

There are times I will mount the altar to preach, and suddenly the Holy Spirit will begin to move mightily without me doing anything! People get healed. They fall under the anointing. Deliverance takes place without me knowing anything about what is going on. See, that's the holy Spirit. He doesn't always wait for you. He takes the lead because He's the master. You're the servant. Take a clue from this. Take a clue also from the many unanswered questions that TB Joshua left behind. He had time to talk about his father and mother, but never had the time to tell the world his salvation testimony!

All the points you raised is irrelevant a person can receive salvation without anyone preaching to him..he can have personal encounter with God.paul has a personal encounter with Jesus.
A person in distress,point of death can call on God for healing if healed can make a personal decision to dedicates his life to Christ.
It is the Jesus that gives salvation not man.
Did he has testimony?everyone has testimony even been alife everyday is a testimony.....are you expecting his testimony be like that of apostle Paul?
I have watch SCOAN programs & was baffled to see another man performing deliverances..so that your assertion that nothing happens without him is false & hearsay.
To work with God you don't need the tutorage of any church or pastor since holy spirit is the greatest teacher,he will lead you into all truth.
That someone from a different religion cannot get converted and start a church is absurd.pastor Tunde Bakare,Johnson Suleiman & host of other are formally of Islamic faith.
Tb Josh said he has been in d scripture union for long.what more do you want.
Leave judgement for God!Do you want to usurp the authority of God Almighty?as you judge same measure await.
Why open different moniker and be commenting on youself it is not a good fruit for one who claim to have d holy spirit.
Goodbye dnt mention me again!

bizzibodi:

All the points you raised is irrelevant a person can receive salvation without anyone preaching to him..he can have personal encounter with God.paul has a personal encounter with Jesus.
A person in distress,point of death can call on God for healing if healed can make a personal decision to dedicates his life to Christ.
It is the Jesus that gives salvation not man.
Did he has testimony?everyone has testimony even been alife everyday is a testimony.....are you expecting his testimony be like that of apostle Paul?
I have watch SCOAN programs & was baffled to see another man performing deliverances..so that your assertion that nothing happens without him is false & hearsay.
To work with God you don't need the tutorage of any church or pastor since holy spirit is the greatest teacher,he will lead you into all truth.
That someone from a different religion cannot get converted and start a church is absurd.pastor Tunde Bakare,Johnson Suleiman & host of other are formally of Islamic faith.
Tb Josh said he has been in d scripture union for long.what more do you want.
Leave judgement for God!Do you want to usurp the authority of God Almighty?as you judge same measure await.
Why open different moniker and be commenting on youself it is not a good fruit for one who claim to have d holy spirit.
Goodbye dnt mention me again!

For what reason will i open other monikers to comment on myself?

Your assertions above are deeply that of an ignorant fellow. A Christian doesn't have to be preached to before he becomes a Christian. True! My dad was a Muslim. No one preached to him but he died an Evangelist with a testimony of his miraculous salvation. Where's TB Joshua's testimony of salvation? Except you're a blind follower, those pertinent questions raised above should mean something to you.

I already said things happen in his church only true him and his Wisemen. The Holy Spirit never moved independently in his congregation. That's a big thing if you don't know. Even your attitude in responses shows that you're an immature Christian.

GreenFarmsNG:


Now this is true Spiritual Maturity. These days we see so many men who want nothing besides their will. The church can't sing sings that the whole congregation knows the HolySpirit is asking to be sung. Why? Daddy doesn't want anything outside Him.

I. Can't wait for Father to cleanse the vineyard. Funny thing is congregants and immature Christians barely understand such demands of the spirit of God.


The moment I feel or see any minister wants it all His way or no way else, I break my bond of fellowship with such individual and move.


Have you considered that nothing happens in that synagogue independence of TB Joshua or his wise men?

There's never a move of the Holy Spirit in his congregation except by his own personal actions.

God bless you sir.

NobleRace:


For what reason will i open other monikers to comment on myself?

Your assertions above are deeply that of an ignorant fellow. A Christian doesn't have to be preached to before he becomes a Christian. True! My dad was a Muslim. No one preached to him but he died an Evangelist with a testimony of his miraculous salvation. Where's TB Joshua's testimony of salvation? Except you're a blind follower, those pertinent questions raised above should mean something to you.

I already said things happen in his church only true him and his Wisemen. The Holy Spirit never moved independently in his congregation. That's a big thing if you don't know. Even your attitude in responses shows that you're an immature Christian.

Only U is mature!only you is righteous others are sinners.according to your standard.
The holy spirit gives different to individuals the fact that you don't have a gift for healing or prophecies should make you jealous.
If your father a Muslim got converted when no one preach to him & died as an evangelist that one's is a testimony & that applies to TB too.
In all this big churches can an usher just mount d pulpit,conduct service,preach,take over d church administration from d G.O claiming he is been lead by d holy spirit.will you allow that in your church?even among the 12 apostles Peter is d head others have their own complimentary roles.holy spirit creates order not disorder.
Lastly I am not even a member of d synagogue.i don't just join d bandwagon b/c it is said by a highly revered G.O then it is gospel because he is infallible.i examine every statement for d truth.

bizzibodi:

Only U is mature!only you is righteous others are sinners.according to your standard.
The holy spirit gives different to individuals the fact that you don't have a gift for healing or prophecies should make you jealous.
If your father a Muslim got converted when no one preach to him & died as an evangelist that one's is a testimony & that applies to TB too.
In all this big churches can an usher just mount d pulpit,conduct service,preach,take over d church administration from d G.O claiming he is been lead by d holy spirit.will you allow that in your church?even among the 12 apostles Peter is d head others have their own complimentary roles.holy spirit creates order not disorder.
Lastly I am not even a member of d synagogue.i don't just join d bandwagon b/c it is said by a highly revered G.O then it is gospel because he is infallible.i examine every statement for d truth.

I can see that you don't even understand my points. Your argument is clearly offpoint.

1.; I'm not claiming any righteousness. I'm asking you a few questions:

✓ How did TB Joshua get saved? If he never talked about it, chances are that he wasn't. You generalise testimony. There's a testimony of salvation unique to every Christian. Before even asking for that of TB Joshua, do you have yours? You must not depart this world without one.

2. Does the Holy Spirit work in his church? I mean working without anybody's intervention. The Lord just doing His things in His church. You seem never to grasp this point.

3. Where was he baptised in water?

4. How did he receive the Holy Spirit baptism?

5. What church was he attending before starting synagogue?

If we have raised questions bothering on physical things and yet you fail to understand; how will you understand spiritual things?

Whenever he did charity works, he televises it for the world to see. Do you know why? It's against the Christian injunction on giving. Do you know why he sells anointing oil? It's never done. Do you see how he used his hand to remote-control people before falling them to the ground? The Holy Spirit never does that. The only reason why people fall under the anointing of the Holy Spirit is that, their bodies can not contain the weight of power that's coming upon them. Otherwise, the Holy Spirit wants to touch everyone while he remains standing and conscious. TB Joshua deliberately uses his hands to whirl people around remotely. Then, sweeps the hand across the floor, resulting in the person's fall. That's not the Holy Spirit.

This is my advice for you. If you consider TB Joshua to be such a man of God that served the true master- The Lord Jesus. Then, start praying that God should make your life like that of TB Joshua. Your end like his end. And whatsoever be the fate of him in the afterlife should be your fate. Pray this prayer in your mention to me. Otherwise, I'll consider you an hypocrite.

NobleRace:


I can see that you don't even understand my points. Your argument is clearly offpoint.

1.; I'm not claiming any righteousness. I'm asking you a few questions:

✓ How did TB Joshua get saved? If he never talked about it, chances are that he wasn't. You generalise testimony. There's a testimony of salvation unique to every Christian. Before even asking for that of TB Joshua, do you have yours? You must not depart this world without one.

2. Does the Holy Spirit work in his church? I mean working without anybody's intervention. The Lord just doing His things in His church. You seem never to grasp this point.

3. Where was he baptised in water?

4. How did he receive the Holy Spirit baptism?

5. What church was he attending before starting synagogue?

If we have raised questions bothering on physical things and yet you fail to understand; how will you understand spiritual things?

Whenever he did charity works, he televises it for the world to see. Do you know why? It's against the Christian injunction on giving. Do you know why he sells anointing oil? It's never done. Do you see how he used his hand to remote-control people before falling them to the ground? The Holy Spirit never does that. The only reason why people fall under the anointing of the Holy Spirit is that, their bodies can not contain the weight of power that's coming upon them. Otherwise, the Holy Spirit wants to touch everyone while he remains standing and conscious. TB Joshua deliberately uses his hands to whirl people around remotely. Then, sweeps the hand across the floor, resulting in the person's fall. That's not the Holy Spirit.

This is my advice for you. If you consider TB Joshua to be such a man of God that served the true master- The Lord Jesus. Then, start praying that God should make your life like that of TB Joshua. Your end like his end. And whatsoever be the fate of him in the afterlife should be your fate. Pray this prayer in your mention to me. Otherwise, I'll consider you an hypocrite.

All those rules man-made holy spirit uses people as he wishes.
It is your kind that decieve alot of people from making heaven.
It is your kind that jesus said they strain out a fly but swallow a camel.
Do holy spirit baptism required a certificate from man?
It is your kind that turns the work of Jesus Christ into a personal business.
It is your kind Jesus will denied on the last day.
Your kind mix occultism with Christianity.
So apostle Peter that heal people with his shadow is fake?
What is your business with the mode he received the holy spirit?are you are regulator in Christiandom?
You have no spark of d holy spirit in you.
You people just causes confusion with proliferation of churches every claiming holy spirit led.
Who are you?
Have you told us how you got saved?
How did you received the holy spirit?
What is your testimony?
Who are you? which church did you attend?
How did you got saved?
Where were you baptised?
How did you get called?
Who ordained you a minister?
How did you become a Christian?
Have you dabble into occultism before?
Tell us your background.
Do not dodge this questions.

bizzibodi:

All those rules man-made holy spirit uses people as he wishes.
It is your kind that decieve alot of people from making heaven.
It is your kind that jesus said they strain out a fly but swallow a camel.
Do holy spirit baptism required a certificate from man?
It is your kind that turns the work of Jesus Christ into a personal business.
It is your kind Jesus will denied on the last day.
Your kind mix occultism with Christianity.
So apostle Peter that heal people with his shadow is fake?
What is your business with the mode he received the holy spirit?are you are regulator in Christiandom?
You have no spark of d holy spirit in you.
You people just causes confusion with proliferation of churches every claiming holy spirit led.
Who are you?
Have you told us how you got saved?
How did you received the holy spirit?
What is your testimony?
Who are you? which church did you attend?
How did you got saved?
Where were you baptised?
How did you get called?
Who ordained you a minister?
How did you become a Christian?
Have you dabble into occultism before?
Tell us your background.
Do not dodge this questions.

So, you became a Christian without a salvation experience? You were never baptised in water? You attend no church? You call yourself a Christian? You call all those pathways to a Christian Life a deception and occultism? You're fake! Or perhaps, you're deluded.

To ask how someone got saved, got baptised, got empowered from above or ask about his Christian family (the church he formerly attended) is deception to you. Those questions mean a log is in my eye? TB Joshua's remote control stunt is equated with Peter's shadow by you? What sort of Christianity do you practice? You even call biblical foundations 'man-made'. Rather than pray the prayer I advised you to pray or at least clarify the things you know about TB Joshua, you resorted to name calling. What have I done to the world that requires you asking me such questions? If you want to know me and hear my own testimony, I share it every now and then wherever I preach the gospel. I say TB Joshua never shared his. And, that's if he had any. Every believer rejoices at answering those questions above because they're exhilarating moments in the Christian's journey. I doubt if I'm talking with a Christian. No child of God would dare call him an an occult who asks such questions as I asked. The most fundamental things of the Christian faith. The general experience of every believer in Christ Jesus.

The New testament saints have a new birth experience. An empowerment experience. A spiritual nurturing experience. Even Paul the Apostle could relate. Was TB Joshua a Christian? I ask again. Where is his new birth experience? Tell me what he said about his endowment with power. Tell me what he told you about his Christian family. I desire to know! If you can't and still go on to defend falsehood, you're an enemy of the Kingdom, and not a true soldier of Christ.

NobleRace:

I can see that you don't even understand my points. Your argument is clearly offpoint.

1.; I'm not claiming any righteousness. I'm asking you a few questions:

✓ How did TB Joshua get saved? If he never talked about it, chances are that he wasn't. You generalise testimony. There's a testimony of salvation unique to every Christian. Before even asking for that of TB Joshua, do you have yours? You must not depart this world without one.

2. Does the Holy Spirit work in his church? I mean working without anybody's intervention. The Lord just doing His things in His church. You seem never to grasp this point.

3. Where was he baptised in water?

4. How did he receive the Holy Spirit baptism?

5. What church was he attending before starting synagogue?

If we have raised questions bothering on physical things and yet you fail to understand; how will you understand spiritual things?

Whenever he did charity works, he televises it for the world to see. Do you know why? It's against the Christian injunction on giving. Do you know why he sells anointing oil? It's never done. Do you see how he used his hand to remote-control people before falling them to the ground? The Holy Spirit never does that. The only reason why people fall under the anointing of the Holy Spirit is that, their bodies can not contain the weight of power that's coming upon them. Otherwise, the Holy Spirit wants to touch everyone while he remains standing and conscious. TB Joshua deliberately uses his hands to whirl people around remotely. Then, sweeps the hand across the floor, resulting in the person's fall. That's not the Holy Spirit.

This is my advice for you. If you consider TB Joshua to be such a man of God that served the true master- The Lord Jesus. Then, start praying that God should make your life like that of TB Joshua. Your end like his end. And whatsoever be the fate of him in the afterlife should be your fate. Pray this prayer in your mention to me. Otherwise, I'll consider you an hypocrite.

Can we please not now pretend that CANs membership rules and motives are those given by Jesus Christ to all who will belong to His Kingdom.

Kobojunkie:
Can we please not now pretend that CANs membership rules and motives are those given by Jesus Christ to all who will belong to His Kingdom.

The path leading to membership in Christ's body are clearly spelt out in Scripture. CAN isn't the one to give us that.

NobleRace:
The path leading to membership in Christ's body are clearly spelt out in Scripture. CAN isn't the one to give us that.

And according to Jesus Christ, the only criteria by which a one who belongs to Jesus Christ is to be judged is by his/her fruits .i.e. whether or not such a one lives in obedience of the commandments of Jesus Christ, or not. God's own law is the standard by which we are to judge and in that case it becomes God and not man doing the judging.

For those in the Kingdom of God, It shouldn't matter
* whether one was saved on a hill or as a child
* how long a one has been saved
* where one was water baptized
* if one has story to tell of how he/she was born or Spirit
* what church one attends or attended

All these questions are meaningless where the Kingdom of God is concerned, except to those seeking Membership is groups like CAN where men judge themselves on standards that are not of God Himself, and bear in mind that even this in direct violation of God's command that we judge not(according to standard of men) but only by God's.

Kobojunkie:
And according to Jesus Christ, the only criteria by which a one who belongs to Jesus Christ is to be judged is by his/her fruits .i.e. whether or not such a one lives in obedience of the commandments of Jesus Christ, or not. God's own law is the standard by which we are to judge and in that case it becomes God and not man doing the judging.

For those in the Kingdom of God, It shouldn't matter
* whether one was saved on a hill or as a child
* how long a one has been saved
* where one was water baptized
* if one has story to tell of how he/she was born or Spirit
* what church one attends or attended

All these questions are meaningless where the Kingdom of God is concerned, except to those seeking Membership is groups like CAN where men judge themselves on standards that are not of God Himself, and bear in mind that even this in direct violation of God's command that we judge not(according to standard of men) but only by God's.

Is this what TB Joshua told you? I doubt if you're a Christian. No Christian would dare turn the Bible upside down as you have just done.

"Christ, the only criteria by which a one who belongs to Jesus Christ is to be judged is by his/her fruits .i.e. whether or not such a one lives in obedience of the commandments of Jesus Christ, or not. "

The bolded above exposes your heresy.

In John 8:31, Jesus said "If ye obey my commandments, then are ye my disciples indeed."

There's no one who can bear the fruits of the Spirit without the spirit of God dwelling in him. The Spirit bears the fruits, and therefore, by the fruits shall they be known. That's why the scriptures say:

If anyone has not the spirit of Christ, he is none of his. Romans 8:9.

You seem to be of the opinion that anyone who does good is of God. But the scriptures say "try every spirit, for Satan himself is disguised as an angel of light."

Read Revelation chapter 2 to 3, and observe the letter to the Churches. See the criterion Christ used to determine the Churches that are his. These same criterion apply to every believer.

if one has story to tell of how he/she was born or Spirit

You mean from the bolded above that someone would not be born of the Spirit, and he in his canal state, could be reckoned to be a child of God?

But Jesus said, "except a man be born of the water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter the Kingdom of God." John 3:5.

I don't have the time right now to point all the error in your assertions above with scriptures. But, I must let you know that no one without a salvation experience can be truly adjudged to be a child of God. And if TB Joshua was saved, he certainly would share his salvation experience with the world. Just as he shared about his family.

Satan is laughing as believers are arguing over the works of the holy spirit.