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Re: Why I Converted To Islam After 20yrs Of Being A Committed Christian by Organs(m): 7:46pm On Nov 15, 2017
shadeyinka:
Thanks for your post. I see that you understand my post which is good BUT contest the logic and the possibility which is also good. So, I will answer your query

No Sir! Trinity isn't a complex concept.

Now, God is complex and indescribable. However, we can only attempt to relate what God has revealed about Himself to our level of comprehension.
I will use 3 descriptions of explaining that Trinity doesn't invalidate the concept of oneness of God.
1. Matter exhibits a Duality nature:
Matter exist BOTH as a Wave and as a Particle at the same time. As a wave, matter has all the properties of a wave including interference, refraction, diffraction etc. Particles on the other hand has properties of mass, momentum, etc. In Classical physics it is impossible for a particle to exhibit properties of waves and vise versa. However, in Quantum physics, this is possible: so that electrons have a mass and yet behaves as waves.

This enigma is resolved by the "waves particle duality" theory of matter.

In other words, even in creation, not every thing is what it seems it is. If the created can be this complex, how much more the Creator. As a joke, I always tell my Muslim friends that they operate Islam in the Classical realm while Christianity operates in the Quantum realm.

That is if Duality makes sense in nature, Trinity certainly does.
2. Trinity of Man:
Actually, the closest description of the Trinity of God is the Trinity of Man. Man is made up of a Body, a Soul and a Spirit. Each one of this is fully you.
Body: Physical Identity (how you are recognized and relate in the physical realm.)
Soul: Internal Identity (how you recognize and relate to yourself).
Spirit: Spiritual Identity (how you are recognized and relate in the spiritual realm.)

Each one is fully you. Even in death, your body is referred still as YOU. If prophet Mohammed went to the heavens and saw Ibrahim, Jesus and the other prophets, doesn't it suggest that even though their bodies are decayed in their graves yet they are full humans?

That may partially answer your question of what happened when Jesus died.

3. Duality of Man in Islam:
Even though the concept of duality or trinity is not explicitly taught in Islam, we can infer the doctrine.

According to you Muslims, when a man dies, two angels will come to him and ask him three basic question
i. What is your religion?
ii. Who was your prophet?
iii. Who is your Lord?
If he replies appropriately as : Islam-Prophet Mohammed-Allah, his state in the grave would be made pleasant. Otherwise, it would be made difficult.

Now, can a person evade this by asking his family to burn him to smokes or if he was eaten completely by sharks?

I am sure you'll agree with me that the complete destruction of the body does not prevent these two angels from doing the needful. In that sense, with what ear will the dead hear the angels? With what mouth with the dead respond to the angels? With what body would the dead experience both torment or bliss as the case may be?

So, you see that at least, the duality of man is established even in Islam.

Nope, misunderstanding here. Your body here is just some flesh, what is important is the Rhur or soul. When one dies, his spirit or soul is removed from his body. This body is just like a garment cloth. In the trinity, Jesus is distinct from God, Jesus died. Jesus died on the cross, Jesus was circumcised on the 7th day. It is written in the bible that God cannot be circumcised. Mary bore Jesus, that is your answer right there. God is God and man is man, God cannot become man for mans sake. The quran says God is above all these things they say, far far above it.



God is not a man: I agree
But God can become anything He wants except He isn't Omnipotent. If God brings himself down to the human level, He does it not for Himself (for He doesn't need to) but for the sake of man( through His love for him).

The Bible tells us that Satan didn't know either the identity nor the purpose of the coming of Jesus to earth.
I Corinthians 2: 7, 8 --
But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Which none of the princes [Satan and all of his devil spirits] of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
The Messiah was to come but no one knew exactly how because the prophecies about Him presented Him as a king, prophet, son of God, AND at the same time as a Servant, Sacrifice, etc.
If Satan knew the identity of Christ, your argument is very very valid. Satan was a very powerful angel. He misleads man, and you said he did not know the identity of Christ? i dont get it, why did he tempt him then? In the bible, there is a verse that says God cannot be tempted.


Just as there are physical laws (gravity, entropy, genetic inheritance), there are spiritual laws. One of the pillars of spiritual laws is the "law of sin and death", " the law of redemption/blood sacrifice". The law of sin and death states that SIN against the almighty MUST be punished.

God is infinitely Mighty and Holy that violations to His will must receive the ultimate judgement "Death" (not annihilation). Now, because of this except justice is served, it violates the law of Justice of God.

What the scriptures teach us was that "Blood Sacrifice" was instituted by God as judgement substitute (for want of better words). Or why did God need the death of animals in the time of Prophet Ibrahim.

I agree, the concept of "Blood Sacrifice" is not taught in Islam (is it?). But it is a central concept in both Judaism and Christianity. Removing "Blood sacrifice" in both religions is as if the "oneness of allah)" is removed from Islam.
Hebrews 9:19-22
“When Moses had proclaimed every commandment of the law to all the people, he took the blood of calves, together with water, scarlet wool and branches of hyssop, and sprinkled the scroll and all the people. He said, “This is the blood of the covenant, which God has commanded you to keep.” In the same way, he sprinkled with the blood both the tabernacle and everything used in its ceremonies. In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin” .

So, the question of who the original institutor of is and why is a very fundermental question. There is not one single prophet common to both Islam and Christianity that did not make blood sacrifice.

But like I said, blood sacrifice is meaningless in Islam (probably abrogated).

The question of iniquities of the fathers not passing to the children should be taken in its context. I cannot commit armed robbery and my son be made to pay the price in God's judgement- That is the meaning.

Rom12:5
When Adam sinned, sin entered the world. Adam's sin brought death, so death spread to everyone, for everyone sinned.

How? a baby born pure today has the sin of Adam on his head according to Christian teachings and that was what Jesus dies for.

Let me explain. Its just like a promiscuous couple who caught HIV and then get pregnant. Of course the innocent child will likely catch HIV even though he wasn't even conceived when the acts of immorality was conducted by the parent. The plain truth about life is that we inherit a lot from our fore fathers (in the physical).

In other words, Our cravings for sin was as a result of Adam and Eve. The scriptures cannot be broken.
[i][/i]Think about it deeply again, Adam and Eve asked, begged God for forgiveness and God did not forgive them until Jesus had to be nailed to die on the cross before he could forgive sin of Adam and Eve.... A child born today has inherited that sin on his head because God did not forgive Adam and Eve, habaaaa my chairman, arguments aside think, think think deeply. Also, blood sacrifice is not what reaches God, its the fact that the animal will be eaten or given to the poor as food. Hence when we do the slaughtering of Rams in Eid Adha, we are encouraged to share the meat to those that are not able to do the sacrifice.



For a number of reasons.
1. Gal1:8
Even if we(the Apostles) or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be under a divine curse!

Islam was certainly different from the Gospel of Christ. So, you can understand our resistance against Islam.
2. Prophet Mohammed didn't bear the mark of a Prophet:
One of the greatest marks of a prophet was that God directly speaks to such. You can confirm from the Scriptures. In the bible, anyone could be spoken to by an angel eg Mary the Mother of Jesus, Samson's parents etc but it doesn't make them a prophet. The other part of it is supernatural powers to validate their message.
Even when these two are present, it doesn't guarantee that a prophet is accepted but at least, hey must be present in the life of the prophet of God.

The Prophet was called to prophethood at age 40. God spoke to him through Angel Gabriel. He had a seal on his back which is the seal of prophets. I hope you know, the Quran is one. No single letter has changed since it was revealed. Cannot be revised, updated or edited. That is a miracle, there is no book like that my broda, and God promised that he will protect the quran. Conclusively my broda, when the prophet died and there were rumours if it was true, that how can the prophet die? Abubakar, who took over after him said the prophet is dead, if you worship Mohammed he is dead, if you worship Allah, Allah never ever dies and he read the verse of the quran that the prophet himself thought them. Think about that my broda, the prophet taught them as commanded by God, that he is only a prophet and that he was created and that he will die. Let me know if you want some CDS to listed to for a better understanding.


This is a very long post. I wish we could reduce it to onebpoint at a time after your response.
Re: Why I Converted To Islam After 20yrs Of Being A Committed Christian by shadeyinka(m): 5:36pm On Nov 16, 2017
amilak:

Alhamdulillah sis. May Allah continue to guide you. You have come so far in your quest for the truth and Allah as shown you the right path , otherwise you may have been distracted by the virulent comments of some despirate people in this forum all in a bid to discourage you from Islam
I have read through your post, your story and journey is a testimony only to people who are guided by Allah . My mother had a similar experience before she reverted into islam. She was a fervently prayerful young woman, she saw visions, lead crusades and even casted out demons while she was a Christian , her father was a leader of some of the churches at the time. But as God will have it she married a Muslim, my dad obviously , he allowed her to continue going to church and praying with the bible afterall there is no compulsion in religion. But as time went by she saw the similarities between the two religions, which is apparent only if our Christian brothers and sisters were unbiased.
There are a thousand and one similarities between islam and Christianity however the differences between the two religions can be counted on one hand. The problem is 90% of what Christians know about Islam is what is written or shown in the media. Has anyone of them had encounters with a Muslim threatening to behead him/ her based on what Islam preaches? Have they had a confrontation with a Muslim telling them we Muslims don't believe in God, the creator of heaven and earth, but we are just deceitfully worshipping some Idols of the ancient Arabs? Islam is more than what most christains think unfortunately most of our Christian brothers may not give themselves the chance to even listen, they are always quick to attack or hull abusive words at the Prophet. May Allah forgive them. It only takes the grace of Allah to be guided.
My mother is now a Muslim and she brought us up as good Muslims Alhamdulillah. It wasn't a forced or a coersed conversion to Islam. She saw for herself and in her very own heart knew this had to be the true path to God almighty, a sight every sincere heart beholds in it quest for truth. Allah has created us this way, but Shaitan beffuddles and overwhelms the heart of mankind. May Allah protect us.Masalm

I hope this is the full truth from you. You said

" She was a fervently prayerful young woman, she saw visions, lead crusades and even casted out demons while she was a Christian , her father was a leader of some of the churches at the time. "


My questions my sister
1. Does your mum still conduct deliverances?
2. When last did your mum do the quoted above?

Thanks
Re: Why I Converted To Islam After 20yrs Of Being A Committed Christian by Maamin(m): 7:02pm On Nov 16, 2017
Organs:




Hmm, I think we are still saying the same thing for the most part. two things are clear.

1. If you say Jesus is God and saviour, then all this becomes complicated and unexplainable and all you have to do is invoke "dogma" just believe. Trinity has always been confusing and nobody has been able to explain that God is in three forms, or can take three roles, and at some point one part died for three days and it was then in two forms, then that part resurrected again. No ShadeYinka, God said he is above all of that, God is divine, God is not man, cannot become man also, the holy spririt had always existed, read the old testament and not after Jesus ascended to heaven. Again, think about it, why will lucifer tell God the sun just bow to me and i will give you this this and this Think deeply about that... It can only make sense if Jesus is a prophet of God and not God the son. But, like a christian i asked said, lucifer will say anything? I dont get it, i will go to Buhari now and say, bow to me and i will make you President of Nigeria now now now.....Think about it deeply. You will understand. There is a documentary by theologians and Christains and professors, "who is Jesus" Look it up its a rich documentary and all the beliefs.
2. Also, the sacrifice, do you absolutely believe that God will sacrifice himself (son) unto himself (Father) nailed on the cross amongst thieves and left there to die before he can forgive sin? ShadeYinka that is hard to swallow...... Unless that blood atonement of being nailed on the cross, imagine how painful that is and left hanging on that cross to dieelse he will not forgive the sin that adam and eve committed that i and you knew nothing about? And he equally said, the soul that sinneth shall die, the iniquity of the father is not on the son neither is the iniquity of the son on the father, the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him and....... My broda, think about it deeply.

One thing is certain, When Jesus came, the jews did not believe him and they did not move over to christianity because of his birth etc. Now, when the Prophet Mohammed came, the christians did not believe him and they did not move over because he is from the descendants of Ishmael, Haggai (slave girl and Abraham Union).

We have no such phrase as "God the Son" please, but rather Son of God wink
Re: Why I Converted To Islam After 20yrs Of Being A Committed Christian by Ahasco(m): 12:59am On Nov 17, 2017
From fry pan � to fire
Re: Why I Converted To Islam After 20yrs Of Being A Committed Christian by jookunlaja(m): 11:13am On Nov 18, 2017
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Re: Why I Converted To Islam After 20yrs Of Being A Committed Christian by GoodMuyis(m): 9:50pm On Nov 18, 2017
HardMirror don come again, chai.
Re: Why I Converted To Islam After 20yrs Of Being A Committed Christian by orisa37: 7:29am On Nov 19, 2017
You were never "Born Again", so you were not good Christian. You were just a Trainee Chrislam!!!

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Re: Why I Converted To Islam After 20yrs Of Being A Committed Christian by obua: 6:39am On Jan 27, 2018
vannessa7:
I felt compelled to write this after observing the online tussle between Muslim's and Christians here on Nairaland about who is right or wrong. After going through my write up I'm sure you might be more enlightened, I converted to Islam Nov 2016 after 20years of being a dedicated born again minister, I was a home fellowship leader, prayer warrior member, sanctuary cleaner, evangelist, followup member, I used to pray for members of my fellowship and God perform miracles, I use to receive revelations about members that will be perfectly accurate, I was always in every service, but nothing was happening in my life, I had a lot of respect from people that knew how God was using me but nothing was happening in my life, no husband, I lost my job after attaining a top management position, I had incessant witchcraft attacks, familiar spirit, ancestral curses and family idol, I became a deliverance junkie in mfm, I never missed rccg Holy Ghost service, winners Shiloh, I eventually got married 10yrs after graduation, 4yrs later my husband died, by that time I had crossed over to rccg with my husband in Abuja, I was an evangelist. I came back to the south to live with my mum as I had nothing left, I immediately joined rccg there and became committed, but I noticed that when I started praying for another husband only Muslim men came even during my 10yrs of waiting before marriage, after deliverance and prayers Muslim men were the ones I used to see and I will reject them, I used to tell them to convert to Christianity but they always refuse, when the same thing started happening my mother told me to give it a try because of time, I grudgingly agreed, but immediately I started receiving great revelations of great victories in the dream daily so I decided to convert to Islam, the first thing I noticed is that the constant sickness I used to experience vanished, I used to treat malaria or typhoid once in a month, even my mother was surprised, there is a particular situation in the family that has been threatening the peace of the family for long I had done several 3days dry fasting that God should solve it while I was a Christian without any result, my mother testify of it just 2months after I became a Muslim, I also noticed the heavy presence of the Holy Spirit while praying or in a mosque, I now understand why Christians have to sing for long before the Holy Spirit will manifest,Islam embodies holiness and that is why anyone who is not holy and goes to a Muslim domain is in danger, I used to have a couple friends who decided to travel to Iran for vacation they had barely step down from the plane when they fell seriously sick, they told me that many Christians have the same experience and some even dies, I will continue below with further analysis and comparison
you just left your faith because of husband
Re: Why I Converted To Islam After 20yrs Of Being A Committed Christian by Kolanist(m): 12:41pm On Jan 28, 2018
You are a liar and THE GOD of christians is annoyed with u. How dare u say u performed miracles and did the work of an evangelist etc and still convert to islam.u would be struck to correction. The fact is this , it is like it is permited to lie in order to propergate the religion of islam. This person is a liar who has seen the truth and power of true christianity and wants to steal the glory and give it to islam .dont be decieved people

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Re: Why I Converted To Islam After 20yrs Of Being A Committed Christian by 77star: 4:52pm On Jun 14, 2021
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Re: Why I Converted To Islam After 20yrs Of Being A Committed Christian by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:00pm On Jun 14, 2021
Sorry to say ma, you are never a Christian! undecided

All these things you mentioned have nothing to do with true Christianity, but you may wish to find out what true Christianity entails i will chat with you and we'll both study God's word together perhaps you were once a Christian let's see things from the viewpoint of the early Christians! smiley

vannessa7:

I was a home fellowship leader, prayer warrior member, sanctuary cleaner, evangelist, followup member, I used to pray for members of my fellowship and God perform miracles, I use to receive revelations about members that will be perfectly accurate, I was always in every service.
Re: Why I Converted To Islam After 20yrs Of Being A Committed Christian by vannessa7(f): 6:22pm On Jun 14, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
Sorry to say ma, you are never a Christian! undecided

All these things you mentioned have nothing to do with true Christianity, but you may wish to find out what true Christianity entails i will chat with you and we'll both study God's word together perhaps you were once a Christian let's see things from the viewpoint of the early Christians! smiley


I think I will prefer the debate about if I was a christian or not between you and God, the God that I served then and even now knows if I served him or not

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Re: Why I Converted To Islam After 20yrs Of Being A Committed Christian by vannessa7(f): 6:30pm On Jun 14, 2021
Kolanist:
You are a liar and THE GOD of christians is annoyed with u. How dare u say u performed miracles and did the work of an evangelist etc and still convert to islam.u would be struck to correction. The fact is this , it is like it is permited to lie in order to propergate the religion of islam. This person is a liar who has seen the truth and power of true christianity and wants to steal the glory and give it to islam .dont be decieved people

Funny enough I'm just seeing this now, you only have your christian experience while I have experienced both yet you feel you know better, I leave you to the God you claim you are serving, let Almighty God judge between me and you if there is any lie in this write up, we will all stand before God on the last day and be judge for every word we utter or write for that matter and that includes false accusations.

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Re: Why I Converted To Islam After 20yrs Of Being A Committed Christian by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:58pm On Jun 14, 2021
Well many people did greater things in their various religions before they found the truth, they never thought it's God's fault supporting them while practicing false religions.
But since you're OK with your new found faith it's alright, i just wanted to prove to you that you were never a Christian! undecided

vannessa7:

I think I will prefer the debate about if I was a christian or not between you and God, the God that I served then and even now knows if I served him or not
Re: Why I Converted To Islam After 20yrs Of Being A Committed Christian by vannessa7(f): 7:10pm On Jun 14, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
Well many people did greater things in their various religions before they found the truth, they never thought it's God's fault supporting them while practicing false religions.
But since you're OK with your new found faith it's alright, i just wanted to prove to you that you were never a Christian! undecided


I'm very sure I was a far better christian than you are or will ever be whatever your title is. If you experienced half of what I had to experience you would have turned your back on God since, bread and butter christian. You don't believe God is in Islam even though you have not experienced it. I will not engage you in a battle of words because islam doesn't permit it.

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Re: Why I Converted To Islam After 20yrs Of Being A Committed Christian by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:38pm On Jun 14, 2021
This life! smiley
Well i was a Muslim before i became one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES and please we don't even believe in titles recognized in the world.
Only JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES can appreciate my service in the truth.
So i'm not interested in trading words i just wish you know the true meaning of the word Christianity not what the world think it is! smiley


vannessa7:

I'm very sure I was a far better christian than you are or will ever be whatever your title is. If you experienced half of what I had to experience you would have turned your back on God since, bread and butter christian. You don't believe God is in Islam even though you have not experienced it. I will not engage you in a battle of words because islam doesn't permit it.
Re: Why I Converted To Islam After 20yrs Of Being A Committed Christian by vannessa7(f): 12:26am On Jun 15, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
This life! smiley
Well i was a Muslim before i became one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES and please we don't even believe in titles recognized in the world.
Only JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES can appreciate my service in the truth.
So i'm not interested in trading words i just wish you know the true meaning of the word Christianity not what the world think it is! smiley

I laugh in spanish grin grin grin, you are so sure I don't know the meaning of christianity and you do!!, Imagine!, Why don't you help yourself and research on the foundation of that your Jehovah witness. You are not even a christian. Every one has a right and a duty to search for the truth about eternity and prepare for it here because here is the only opportunity we have to do that. Take a break from that your church and personally do a prayer retreat asking God to reveal the truth about Jehovah witness to you. You are the one in need of the help you want to render to me. Imagine?!

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Re: Why I Converted To Islam After 20yrs Of Being A Committed Christian by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:04am On Jun 15, 2021
So if you believe God will have to REVEAL Himself to people then it means God is the one at fault when people fails to know Him after all it's only to those whom He revealed Himself that will know Him!

Well it's OK since you don't believe in sharing what you know for others to gain insight but think God is the one that must do it Himself let's leave it at that.

May you have PEACE! smiley

vannessa7:

I laugh in spanish grin grin grin, you are so sure I don't know the meaning of christianity and you do!!, Imagine!, Why don't you help yourself and research on the foundation of that your Jehovah witness. You are not even a christian. Every one has a right and a duty to search for the truth about eternity and prepare for it here because here is the only opportunity we have to do that. Take a break from that your church and personally do a prayer retreat asking God to reveal the truth about Jehovah witness to you. You are the one in need of the help you want to render to me. Imagine?!


Re: Why I Converted To Islam After 20yrs Of Being A Committed Christian by vannessa7(f): 9:16pm On Jun 15, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
So if you believe God will have to REVEAL Himself to people then it means God is the one at fault when people fails to know Him after all it's only to those whom He revealed Himself that will know Him!

Well it's OK since you don't believe in sharing what you know for others to gain insight but think God is the one that must do it Himself let's leave it at that.

May you have PEACE! smiley


Amen to your prayer

Using emotional blackmail instead of asking direct questions will not get you anywhere. I suggested you seek the face of God yourself for two reasons, first we are in a public domain and many of your people who are not ready to hear anything contrary to what they know about your religion will come across this post, secondly, God Himself said we should seek Him and we shall find Him, He will rarely impose revelations on you especially concerning your beliefs and whatever you have already committed to unless you are asking questions either directly or indirectly.
Anyway, since this thread is meant to enlighten on Religion experience I will give my verdict on jehovah witness now.
While I was still searching for answers and a way out of wilderness, I was inspired that Jehovah witness is another satanic organization because of its foundation which is rooted in satanism, that's why many things in their bible are different from the main stream bible and many of their beliefs. I carried out some online research on it and I found various resources. They are just another organization with many good activities but lacking the presence of God. If you belong to such a place your soul will be corrupted and you will not even be aware, the sabatterian, church of latter day saints (the mormons) belong in that category, they are just glorified cult, the members may not know but that doesn't make them less guilty. I had to do a thorough repentance because I attended a program at that church of latter day saints. I just found the words tumbling out of my mouth and I had to throw away all their papers. The mainstream christianity in itself is okay because it's ordained by God it's just that the covenant of grace meant to allow and tolerate sinners and evil to come to God with the hope of repenting now gives the devil freedom to stay in the life of their victims for much longer whereas islam get rid of evil the same day you start practicing it all things being equal. If you don't have any family evil covenant or you are a white man christianity is ok for you but if you have history of lives being destroyed in your family or you are aware of one idol they worship and you become a christian, they will show you pepper whereas islam will silence them immediately. In christianity you can also be delivered totally if you are able to pass the many test in the wilderness or you become a pastor, someone who ministers to people then God will give you anointing to carry out that work because of the many devil's you will come across so you can do the work of God without being cut down and that will set you free from your own demons. But in Islam all you need is to practice it diligently and no devil will be able to trouble you.

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Re: Why I Converted To Islam After 20yrs Of Being A Committed Christian by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:01am On Jun 16, 2021
vannessa7:


Amen to your prayer

asking direct questions


How have you allowed for this when i tried to approach you with reasoning?


not ready to hear anything contrary

Did you allow for contrary opinion on what you know presently?

I saw your thread and feel like knowing what exactly helped you during your research, i made my stand clear perhaps you will open up so that we can both share from our experience but it's obvious you've sealed your mind. You're only here to throw tantrums on other people's religion without giving room for reasoning.
Well if you believe in your so called INSPIRATION i'm glad to tell you that there are hundreds of thousands of testimonies about inspiration in different religions and they are all totally contradicting one another, for instance many have said that they are inspired and they're seeing Muhammad and all past Muslims languishing in HellFire! undecided
That's why i always allow for reasoning so that i can gain insight while sharing with others.
Meanwhile out of all those claiming they were inspired one thing is common with them all:
They all come with THEORIES about how life began, just few of them do have PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS regarding what their so called inspiration revealed but only one out of them all brings out BENEFITS for adherents of their various THEORIES.

So each religion comes up with it's own THEORY few has PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS of what they want to impress in the minds of their listeners but only JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES Organization has brought real BENEFITS both to adherents and neighbours.

What do i mean?

Among all descendants of Adam none has seen God nor able to reveal Him in the perfect sense so it's all stories, sacred services and shows of different logics yet we all know that any true organization belonging to God must possess these qualities:
LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, GOODNESS, GENTLENESS, FAITH, MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL! Galatians 5:22-23

Of all the religions i have come across in my life only JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES Organization have PERFECTLY exhibited all these qualities without leaving one behind.

So you need to check the spirit that's revealing what you said about them again because we all know that Satan is also out there and he is inspiring people too! embarassed

May you have PEACE! smiley
Re: Why I Converted To Islam After 20yrs Of Being A Committed Christian by vannessa7(f): 5:51pm On Jun 16, 2021
MaxInDHouse:


How have you allowed for this when i tried to approach you with reasoning?




Did you allow for contrary opinion on what you know presently?

I saw your thread and feel like knowing what exactly helped you during your research, i made my stand clear perhaps you will open up so that we can both share from our experience but it's obvious you've sealed your mind. You're only here to throw tantrums on other people's religion without giving room for reasoning.
Well if you believe in your so called INSPIRATION i'm glad to tell you that there are hundreds of thousands of testimonies about inspiration in different religions and they are all totally contradicting one another, for instance many have said that they are inspired and they're seeing Muhammad and all past Muslims languishing in HellFire! undecided
That's why i always allow for reasoning so that i can gain insight while sharing with others.
Meanwhile out of all those claiming they were inspired one thing is common with them all:
They all come with THEORIES about how life began, just few of them do have PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS regarding what their so called inspiration revealed but only one out of them all brings out BENEFITS for adherents of their various THEORIES.

So each religion comes up with it's own THEORY few has PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS of what they want to impress in the minds of their listeners but only JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES Organization has brought real BENEFITS both to adherents and neighbours.

What do i mean?

Among all descendants of Adam none has seen God nor able to reveal Him in the perfect sense so it's all stories, sacred services and shows of different logics yet we all know that any true organization belonging to God must possess these qualities:
LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, GOODNESS, GENTLENESS, FAITH, MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL! Galatians 5:22-23

Of all the religions i have come across in my life only JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES Organization have PERFECTLY exhibited all these qualities without leaving one behind.

So you need to check the spirit that's revealing what you said about them again because we all know that Satan is also out there and he is inspiring people too! embarassed

May you have PEACE! smiley


Anytime I write anything on the internet I'm always conscious of the fact that I'm putting out information into the webspace that millions of people might access over a very long period of time. I don't write solely to address a particular person but the entire world because I know God through His spirit lead people to information either in the form of books or audio or soft copy like this.
My point: I am not necessarily answering you especially if my information does not apply to you now, but I know every information I give might be used by the Holy spirit to save someone or lead someone to the right path one day.
You said you wanted to know about my experience and viewpoint which I have given but you got angry as if my view point and experience must match your own which means like I said you are not ready to ear anything different from what you know
Secondly you talk about practical experience, which to my understanding what you have practiced and see result and learn from it. You listed the fruits of the spirit as practical experience in Jehovah Witness. But do you know there is something called the principle of God and also the person of God. Anyone can practice the principle of God without having the person of God and they will reap the benefits of it in their lives. Some people are even born with inherent good traits, but if you don't have the person of God it's just like building a house on the sand, it will be washed away when the storm comes. That is why most developed nation are getting ahead because they practice most of this principle and they are seeing the results but when the pandemic came, they were thoroughly affected because they lack the person of God which brings the power of God to help in such situation. Their foundation is on the sand whereas Nigeria with our inability to handle such situation we are nearly free from it because we have prayers. The reason why those good qualities are called fruit of the spirit is that there should be a tree bearing the fruits. God is the tree. But like you can buy orange in the market you can also possess these fruits without having the tree but when there is scarcity, the one with the tree will fare better. My point doing good deeds is good and should be accompanied by having a relationship with God. Having a covenant with the devil while doing good is like wrapping a can of worms in beautiful wrapping paper, it's still full of worms.
About the revelations, I trust my revelations because I have had years of practice and confirm with several experience how God speaks to me. I am naturally gifted in that area and many progress I had has been due to obeying revelations I had. Thanks

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Re: Why I Converted To Islam After 20yrs Of Being A Committed Christian by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:13pm On Jun 16, 2021
You're welcome!

I'm never angry at anyone on talks having to do with faith after all you're just saying what you feel about my beliefs while i also does the same. By the end of the day each person will hold onto whatever you're able to grasp fully.

One thing is certain: there are revelations out there and it's all contradictory so i discuss with people one on one to list the fruit derived after the so called REVELATIONS.
Just few weeks ago a popular religious leader died some claimed they saw him in HellFire while others claimed they saw angels lifting his body to God's throne!

Whichever way it's nice chatting with you i will hold unto the THEORY that i can present it's PRACTICAL APPLICATION and how it's of great BENEFITS anyday anytime.
May you have PEACE! smiley

vannessa7:


Anytime I write anything on the internet I'm always conscious of the fact that I'm putting out information into the webspace that millions of people might access over a very long period of time. I don't write solely to address a particular person but the entire world because I know God through His spirit lead people to information either in the form of books or audio or soft copy like this.
My point: I am not necessarily answering you especially if my information does not apply to you now, but I know every information I give might be used by the Holy spirit to save someone or lead someone to the right path one day.
You said you wanted to know about my experience and viewpoint which I have given but you got angry as if my view point and experience must match your own which means like I said you are not ready to ear anything different from what you know
Secondly you talk about practical experience, which to my understanding what you have practiced and see result and learn from it. You listed the fruits of the spirit as practical experience in Jehovah Witness. But do you know there is something called the principle of God and also the person of God. Anyone can practice the principle of God without having the person of God and they will reap the benefits of it in their lives. Some people are even born with inherent good traits, but if you don't have the person of God it's just like building a house on the sand, it will be washed away when the storm comes. That is why most developed nation are getting ahead because they practice most of this principle and they are seeing the results but when the pandemic came, they were thoroughly affected because they lack the person of God which brings the power of God to help in such situation. Their foundation is on the sand whereas Nigeria with our inability to handle such situation we are nearly free from it because we have prayers. The reason why those good qualities are called fruit of the spirit is that there should be a tree bearing the fruits. God is the tree. But like you can buy orange in the market you can also possess these fruits without having the tree but when there is scarcity, the one with the tree will fare better. My point doing good deeds is good and should be accompanied by having a relationship with God. Having a covenant with the devil while doing good is like wrapping a can of worms in beautiful wrapping paper, it's still full of worms.
About the revelations, I trust my revelations because I have had years of practice and confirm with several experience how God speaks to me. I am naturally gifted in that area and many progress I had has been due to obeying revelations I had. Thanks
Re: Why I Converted To Islam After 20yrs Of Being A Committed Christian by Kobojunkie: 10:21pm On Jun 16, 2021
vannessa7:
I remember how I used to read the promises of God and wondering why none of them is coming to pass in my life, every promises of Deut 28, now I'm experiencing what it means to serve God, I have also realise that Christianity is very good if only people can worship God and put Jesus in his rightful place, as a prophet not God, that singular act is bringing curses on many Christians because God is a jealous God, He emphasized it throughout the Quran that He will not share His glory, I also meditated on my sojourn in different churches, rccg is very powerful today without much prayer or gymnastics and it's majorly because of their name, the founder received that name directly from God even as an illiterate, I also know that assembly of God church is also very powerful, and any church where God is emphasized in worship, you need to visit mountain of fire to see what people are going through, some people have become customers of affliction and deliverance like I was, I even did 7days dry fasting once without anything to show, I nearly died, all I used to hear is foundation is bad and all that, but it's not like that in Islam, I no longer experience evil dreams of witchcraft attacks, familiar spirit, spirit husband dare not come near me again, every ancestral curses is gone, no more idol power manifesting as snake pursuing me in the dream, I used have many forbidden thing that bring on attack if I do them, I no longer forbid those things, black cloth o, red o, etc
If you had paid close attention to that which is even made clear in Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20, information repeated across the four books of the Old Covenant Law of Moses, you would have learnt that the promises given by God there in the books of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy, belonged only to those who are descended of the blood of Jacob - God intentionally excluded those of the gentile nations from that Covenant. And God is a faithful God. He will never take that which belongs only to His people, Israel, to give to those who are not. undecided

What you call Christianity is instead a completely different and separate Covenant from the Old Covenant Law of Moses, and is instead defined in the 4 Gospels. The New Covenant Law, Jesus Christ, comes complete with it's own set of promises, blesses, curses, commandments, rituals and so on. and is binding to people of all nations- an individual agreement between God Him and each man who chooses to believe in Jesus Christ, the Law Himself. undecided
Re: Why I Converted To Islam After 20yrs Of Being A Committed Christian by Kobojunkie: 10:34pm On Jun 16, 2021
terrezo2002:
Vennessa7
It seems you ignored Romans 8: 35-39 that says nothing shall separate us from the love of Christ, not even tribulations, distress, persecutions, famine, unclothedness, peril, sword, death, life angels, principalities, powers, or any other things. Where is your confidence? is it in the flesh or in Christ?
Jesus Christ is the only way, truth and the life, no body can come unto God except through Him. As for your continuous manifestations in Islam, it is normal. The gift of God is without repentance, you could still manifest in the gifts you got in your days in Christianity. You have been useful in God's assignment, do you now want to lose your rewards?
Come back home, God is waiting for you. Shalom
1. I beg to differ with your interpretation of Romans 8 vs 35 - 39 there. Jesus Christ said in John 6 vs 43-45 that only those who are taught by His Father belong to Him and those who His Father brings to Him, He will in no wise cast out. Those who this apply are not those who are simply saved by the doctrines and traditions of men, but instead who are taught only by God Himself. undecided
Re: Why I Converted To Islam After 20yrs Of Being A Committed Christian by Kobojunkie: 10:55pm On Jun 16, 2021
adepeter2027:

There is nothing like such word "TRUE CHRISTIAN"

The moment you become a Christian, you are actually a TRUE CHRISTIAN, but once you leave, "YOU WERE NEVER A TRUE CHRISTIAN IN THE 1ST PLACE"

Religion and confusion
Technically, you are right but there are those who belong to God - John 6 vs 43 - 45 - , those who can never be lost from Him since He installs His own Spirit inside of them to cause them to carefully obey His commandments- Ezekiel 36 vs 27. And then there those who believe who don't necessarily, particularly those who are deceived by the many doctrines and traditions of men, that which Jesus Christ said were lies that deceive away from God - Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14. undecided
In the parable of wheat and weed - Matthew 13 vs 24- 30 - Jesus Christ tells of two groups in the Kingdom of God - the wheat from the good(Truth) seeds and the weeds from evil(Lies) seeds. Those who grow from good(Truth) seeds will remain good(Truth) seeds until the harvest whereas those who are grown from bad(Lies) seeds will remain bad(Lies) until the harvest.
Re: Why I Converted To Islam After 20yrs Of Being A Committed Christian by oaroloye(m): 12:32am On Jun 17, 2021
MISHIGAS!

vannessa7:

I felt compelled to write this after observing the online tussle between Muslim's and Christians here on Nairaland about who is right or wrong. After going through my write up I'm sure you might be more enlightened,

I SEE NO REASON TO BELIEVE ANY PART OF THIS STORY, BECAUSE IT GOES QUITE AGAINST WHAT I KNOW OF CHRISTIANITY, ISLAM, AND SPIRITUALITY.

. DEUTERONOMY 12:32-13:5.

32. What thing soever
I Command you,
observe to do it:
thou shalt not add thereto,
nor diminish from it.
IF there arise among you a Prophet,
or a Dreamer of Dreams,
and giveth thee a Sign or a Wonder,
2. And the Sign or
the Wonder come to pass,
whereof he spake unto thee,
saying,

"LET US GO AFTER OTHER GODS,
WHICH THOU HAST NOT KNOWN,
AND LET US SERVE THEM;"


3. Thou shalt not hearken unto
The Words of that Prophet,
or that Dreamer of Dreams:
for The LORD your God proveth you,
to know whether ye love
The LORD your God
with all your heart
and with all your soul.
4. Ye shall walk after
The LORD your God,
and fear Him,
and keep His Commandments,
and obey His Voice,
and ye shall serve Him,
and cleave unto Him.
5. And that prophet,
or that Dreamer of Dreams,
shall be put to death;
because he hath spoken
to turn you away
from The LORD your God,
Which brought you
out of the Land of Egypt,
and Redeemed you
out of the House of Bondage,
to thrust thee out of The Way
which The LORD thy God
Commanded thee to walk in.

vannessa7:

I converted to Islam Nov 2016 after 20years of being a dedicated born again minister,

WHO TOLD YOU THAT YOU WERE BORN AGAIN? WHAT THE OYINBOS TELL US IS "BORN AGAIN" IS NOT THE BORN AGAIN EXPERIENCE LORD YESHUA OFFERS.

. JOHN 3:1-21.

THERE was a man of the Pharisees,
named Nicodemus,
a Ruler of the Jews:
2. The same came to Jesus
by night,
and said unto him,

"Rabbi, we know
that thou art a Teacher
come from God:
for no man can do
these Miracles
that thou doest,
except God be with him."

3. Jesus Answered
and Said unto him,

"Verily, verily,
I Say unto thee,

'EXCEPT A MAN
BE BORN AGAIN,
HE CANNOT SEE
THE KINGDOM OF GOD.'


4. Nicodemus saith unto him,

"How can a man be born
when he is old?
Can he enter the second time
into his mother's womb,
and be born?"

5. Jesus Answered,

"Verily, verily,
I Say unto thee,

'EXCEPT A MAN BE BORN
OF WATER AND OF THE SPIRIT,
HE CAN NOT ENTER INTO
THE KINGDOM OF GOD.'


6. "That which is Born
of the Flesh
is flesh;
and that which is Born
of The Spirit
is spirit.
7. "Marvel not
that I Said unto thee,

'YE MUST BE
BORN AGAIN.'


8. "The wind bloweth
where it listeth,
and thou hearest
the sound thereof,
but canst not tell
whence it cometh,
and whither it goeth:
so is every one
that is Born of The Spirit."

9. Nicodemus answered
and said unto him,

"How can these things be?"

10. Jesus Answered
and Said unto him,

"Art thou a Master of Israel,
and knowest not
these things?
11. "Verily, verily,
I Say unto thee,

'WE SPEAK
THAT WE DO KNOW,
AND TESTIFY
THAT WE HAVE SEEN;
AND YE RECEIVE NOT
OUR WITNESS.'


12. "If I have told you
Earthly Things,
and ye believe not,
how shall ye believe,
if I tell you
of Heavenly Things?
13. "And no man
hath ascended up to Heaven,
but he that came down
from Heaven,
even The Son of Man
which is in Heaven.
14. "And as Moses lifted up
the Serpent in the Wilderness,
even so must The Son of Man
be lifted up:
15. "That whosoever
believeth in him
should not perish,
but have Eternal Life.
16. "For God so loved
the World,
that He gave
His only Begotten Son,
that whosoever
believeth in him
should not Perish,
but have Everlasting Life.
17. "For God sent not His Son
into the World
to Condemn the World;
but that the World through him
might be Saved.
18. "He that believeth in him
is not Condemned:
but he that believeth not
is Condemned Already,
because he hath not
believed in
The Name of The Only
Begotten Son of God.
19. "And this is The Condemnation,

'THAT LIGHT IS COME
INTO THE WORLD,
AND MEN LOVED DARKNESS
RATHER THAN LIGHT,
BECAUSE THEIR DEEDS
WERE EVIL.'


20. "For every one
that doeth Evil
hateth The Light,
neither cometh
to The Light,
lest his deeds
should be reproved.
21. "But he that doeth Truth
cometh to The Light,
that his deeds
may be manifest,
that they are
wrought in God."

"BORN AGAIN" IN NORTHERN ARAMAIC MEANS: "TO CHANGE ONE'S THOUGHTS AND HABITS." NICODEMUS SPOKE SOUTHERN ARAMAIC, AND HENCE DID NOT UNDERSTAND JESUS. [Footnote to JOHN 3:3,5 in the Lamsa Peshitta Bible.]

IF YOUR THOUGHTS AND HABITS WERE NOT CHANGED BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD- THEN YOU WERE NOT BORN OF GOD.

For instance- if you believe Lord Yeshua is The Christ, because somebody told you, then you are not Born of God.

vannessa7:

I was a home fellowship leader, prayer warrior member, sanctuary cleaner, evangelist, followup member, I used to pray for members of my fellowship and God perform miracles, I use to receive revelations about members that will be perfectly accurate, I was always in every service, but nothing was happening in my life, I had a lot of respect from people that knew how God was using me but nothing was happening in my life, no husband, I lost my job after attaining a top management position,

IT IS TOTALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO BE A "HOME FELLOWSHIP LEADER," "PRAYER WARRIOR," "EVANGELIST," OR A "FOLLOW-UP COUNSELLOR," AND HAVE "NOTHING GOING ON IN YOUR LIFE."

Even a " SANCTUARY CLEANER" has room to learn important things. In Oriental Martial Arts Schools, when you barge in begging for tutelage, according to legend, they make you their cleaner. If you complain that you are not learning what you came for, they prove to you that you have made more progress than you thought.

You don't know what any of those terms mean, because you only know their dictionary definitions, at best- you haven't lived them.

How can you have a "job," and say that "nothing was going on in your life?"

What a foolish lie!

Your story is a fabrication.

. MATTHEW 7:12-29.

12. "Therefore all things
whatsoever ye would
that men should do to you,
do ye even so to them:
for this is
The Law and The Prophets.
13. "Enter ye in
at The Strait Gate:
for wide is the Gate,
and broad is the way,
that leadeth to Destruction,
and many there be
which go in thereat:
14. "Because strait is the Gate,
and narrow is The Way,
which leadeth unto Life,
and few there be that find it.
15. "Beware of False Prophets,
which come to you
in sheep's clothing,
but inwardly they are
ravening wolves.
16. "Ye shall know them by their fruits.
Do men gather
grapes of thorns,
or figs of thistles?
17. "Even so every Good Tree
bringeth forth Good Fruit;
but a Corrupt Tree
bringeth forth Evil Fruit.
18. "A Good Tree cannot
bring forth Evil Fruit,
neither can a Corrupt Tree
bring forth Good Fruit.
19. "Every tree that
bringeth not forth Good Fruit
is hewn down,
and cast into the Fire.
20 Wherefore by their Fruits
ye shall know them.
21. "Not every one
that saith unto me,
'Lord, Lord,' shall enter into
The Kingdom of Heaven;
but He that doeth
The Will of my Father
Which is in Heaven.
22 Many will say to me
in That Day,

'LORD, LORD,
HAVE WE NOT
PROPHESIED IN THY NAME?
AND IN THY NAME
HAVE CAST OUT DEVILS?
AND IN THY NAME
DONE MANY
WONDERFUL WORKS?'


23. "And then will I
profess unto them,

'I NEVER KNEW YOU:
DEPART FROM ME,
YE THAT WORK INIQUITY.'


24. "Therefore whosoever heareth
These Sayings of mine,
and doeth Them,
I will liken him unto
a Wise Man,
which built his house
upon a rock:
25. "And the rain descended,
and the floods came,
and the winds blew,
and beat upon that house;
and it fell not:
for it was founded
upon a rock.
26 . "And every one
that heareth
These Sayings of mine,
and doeth them not,
shall be likened unto
a Foolish Man,
which built his house
upon the sand:
27. "And the rain descended,
and the floods came,
and the winds blew,
and beat upon that house;
and it fell:
and great was the fall of it."
28. And it came to pass,
when Jesus had
ended these Sayings,
the people were astonished
at his Doctrine:
29. For He taught them
as one having authority,
and not as the scribes.

CHURCH ACTIVITIES- EVEN THE WORKING OF MIRACLES- ARE MEANINGLESS, IF ONE DOES NOT KEEP LORD YESHUA'S COMMANDMENTS.

vannessa7:

I had incessant witchcraft attacks, familiar spirit, ancestral curses and family idol,

THIS IS GIBBERISH- MERE STRINGING TOGETHER TECHNICAL TERMS YOU JUST HEARD OTHER PEOPLE USE!

What is a "WITCHCRAFT ATTACK?"

What is a "FAMILIAR SPIRIT?"

What is an "ANCESTRAL CURSE?"

How can a Christian have "FAMILY IDOL?"

You must be an idiot to claim all these, and then say, NOTHING WAS HAPPENING IN YOUR LIFE!

. MATTHEW 12:22-45.

22. Then was brought unto him
one possessed with a Devil,
blind, and dumb:
and he healed him,
insomuch that
the Blind and Dumb
both spake and saw.
23. And all the people were amazed,
and said,

"IS NOT THIS
THE SON OF DAVID?"


24. But when
the Pharisees heard it,
they said,

"This fellow doth not
cast out Devils,
but by Beelzebub
the Prince of the Devils."

25. And Jesus
knew their thoughts,
and Said unto them,

"Every kingdom
divided against itself
is brought to desolation;
and every city or house
divided against itself
shall not stand:
26. "And if Satan cast out Satan,
he is divided against himself;
how shall then his Kingdom stand?
27. "And if I by Beelzebub
cast out Devils,
by whom do your children
cast them out?
Therefore they shall be your judges.
28. "But if I cast out Devils
by The Spirit of God,
then The Kingdom of God
is come unto you.
29. "Or else how can one
enter into a Strong Man's House,
and spoil his goods,
except he first bind the Strong Man?
And then he will spoil his House.
30. "He that is not with me
is against me;
and he that
gathereth not with me
scattereth abroad.
31. "Wherefore I Say unto you,

'ALL MANNER
OF SIN AND BLASPHEMY
SHALL BE FORGIVEN
UNTO MEN:
BUT THE BLASPHEMY
AGAINST THE HOLY GHOST
SHALL NOT BE FORGIVEN
UNTO MEN.'


32. "And whosoever speaketh
a Word against
The Son of Man,
it shall be forgiven him:
but whosoever speaketh
against The Holy Ghost,
it shall not be forgiven him,
neither in this World,
neither in the World to come.
33. "Either make the tree good,
and his fruit good;
or else make the tree corrupt,
and his fruit corrupt:
for the tree is known
by his fruit.
34. "O Generation of Vipers,
how can ye, being Evil,
speak Good Things?
For out of the Abundance of the heart
the mouth speaketh.
35. "A Good Man
out of the Good Treasure
of the heart
bringeth forth Good Things:
and an Evil Man
out of the Evil Treasure
bringeth forth Evil Things.
36.But I Say unto you,

'THAT EVERY IDLE WORD
THAT MEN SHALL SPEAK,
THEY SHALL GIVE
ACCOUNT THEREOF
IN THE DAY OF JUDGMENT.'


37. "For by thy Words
thou shalt be Justified,
and by thy Words thou shalt be Condemned."
38. Then certain of the scribes
and of the Pharisees answered,
saying,

"Master,
we would see
a Sign from thee."

39. But he Answered
and Said unto them,

"An Evil and
Adulterous Generation
seeketh after a Sign;
and there shall no Sign
be given to it,
but The Sign of
the Prophet Jonas:
40. "For as Jonas was
three days and three nights
in the whale's belly;
so shall the Son of Man
be three days
and three nights
in the heart of the Earth.

41. "The men of Nineveh
shall rise in Judgment with this Generation,
and shall Condemn It:
because they repented
at the Preaching of Jonas;
and, behold,
a Greater than Jonas is here.
42. "The Queen of the South
shall rise up in the Judgment
with this Generation,
and shall Condemn It:
for she came from
The Uttermost Parts of the Earth
to hear The Wisdom of Solomon;
and, behold,
a Greater than Solomon is here.
43. "When the unclean spirit
is gone out of a man,
he walketh through dry places,
seeking rest,
and findeth none.
44. "Then he saith,

'I WILL RETURN INTO MY HOUSE
FROM WHENCE I CAME OUT;'


and when he is come,
he findeth it empty,
swept, and garnished.
45. "Then goeth he,
and taketh with himself
seven other spirits
more wicked than himself,
and they enter in and dwell there:
and the last state of that man
is worse than the first.
Even so shall it be also
unto this Wicked Generation."

vannessa7:

I became a deliverance junkie in mfm, I never missed rccg Holy Ghost service, winners Shiloh, I eventually got married 10yrs after graduation, 4yrs later my husband died, by that time I had crossed over to rccg with my husband in Abuja, I was an evangelist.

YOU CLAIM TO HAVE GRADUATED IN SOMETHING, AND BEEN MARRIED FOR FOUR YEARS- WHILE "NOTHING WAS GOING ON IN YOUR LIFE!"

.    JOHN 8:28-36.

28. Then Said Jesus
unto them,

"When ye have lifted up
The Son of Man,
then shall ye know
that I am he,
and that I do
nothing of myself;
but as my Father
hath Taught me,
I Speak these things.
29. "And He that sent me
is with me:
The Father hath not
left me alone;
for I do always those things
that please Him."

30. As he Spake
these Words,
many believed on him.

31. Then Said Jesus
to those Jews
which believed on him,

"If ye continue
in my Word,
then are ye
my Disciples indeed;
32. "And ye shall
know The Truth,
and The Truth
shall make you Free."

33. They answered him,

"We be Abraham's Seed,
and were never in bondage
to any man:
how sayest thou,  

'YE SHALL BE
MADE FREE?' "


34. Jesus Answered them,

"Verily, verily,
I Say unto you,

WHOSOEVER COMMITTETH SIN
IS THE SERVANT OF SIN.
35. 'AND THE SERVANT
ABIDETH NOT
IN THE HOUSE FOR EVER:
BUT THE SON
ABIDETH EVER.'


36. "If the Son therefore
shall make you free,
ye shall be free indeed."

A CHRISTIAN WHO DOES LORD YESHUA'S TEACHINGS ACHIEVES THE TRUTH, AND BECOMES FREE.

vannessa7:

I came back to the south to live with my mum as I had nothing left, I immediately joined rccg there and became committed, but I noticed that when I started praying for another husband only Muslim men came even during my 10yrs of waiting before marriage, after deliverance and prayers Muslim men were the ones I used to see and I will reject them, I used to tell them to convert to Christianity but they always refuse, when the same thing started happening my mother told me to give it a try because of time, I grudgingly agreed, but immediately I started receiving great revelations of great victories in the dream daily so I decided to convert to Islam, the first thing I noticed is that the constant sickness I used to experience vanished,

THE PRIORITY OF A CHRISTIAN IS TO PRAY TO KNOW LORD YESHUA- NOT A HUSBAND.

You are telling us to believe, that you went to Christian Programmes and Churches, with thousands of members, and couldn't find a Husband?

vannessa7:

I used to treat malaria or typhoid once in a month, even my mother was surprised, there is a particular situation in the family that has been threatening the peace of the family for long I had done several 3days dry fasting that God should solve it while I was a Christian without any result,

I USED TO FALL ILL TO MALARIA EVERY THREE MONTHS- FOR FIVE YEARS, I HEALED MYSELF THROUGH PRAYER.

Then I found the Minister who taught T.L. OSBORN- FRANKLIN HALL- whom my Church didn't want us to know about.

THREE DAYS OF FASTING immunizes against MALARIA for 30 days- in my personal experience.

I have never had Typhoid.

Why did you keep drinking Dirty Water, and/or eating Dirty Food?

HOW THE HELL CAN YOU JOIN RCCG- WHEN YOU HAVE NEVER MISSED A HOLY GHOST SERVICE IN FOUR YEARS?

Where was your Church- in THE TWILIGHT ZONE?

vannessa7:

my mother testify of it just 2months after I became a Muslim, I also noticed the heavy presence of the Holy Spirit while praying or in a mosque,

HOW DOES A WOMAN EVANGELIST NOTICE THE HOLY GHOST IN THE TEMPLE OF THE FALSE RELIGION, ISLAM??

Are we talking about the same "ISLAM" here?

The one that denies that Lord Yeshua was crucified, or resurrected from the dead?

The Religion that authorizes a man to Bleep his wife after she has died.

The Religion that authorizes the fucking of cattle- even after they have died?

The Religion whose god does nothing for the women who contract gonorrhea from their husbands fucking animals, so that they go blind, and pass the disease on to their newborn children?

You are saying that the Holy Ghost that Heals Christians is in that Religion, too?

You cannot know what you are talking about.

vannessa7:

I now understand why Christians have to sing for long before the Holy Spirit will manifest,Islam embodies holiness

AFTER YEARS AS A CHRISTIAN, YOU DID NOT UNDERSTAND SINGING IN CHURCH BEFORE THE DI-CALLED HOLY GHOST MANIFESTED- BUT, YOU CLAIM TO UNDERSTAND FROM BEING IN A MOSQUE?

Your testimony is consistent with Devil-Possessed Insanity.

WHAT did you "understand?"

vannessa7:

and that is why anyone who is not holy and goes to a Muslim domain is in danger, I used to have a couple friends who decided to travel to Iran for vacation they had barely step down from the plane when they fell seriously sick, they told me that many Christians have the same experience and some even dies, I will continue below with further analysis and comparison

ANYONE WHO IS SPIRITUALLY-SENSITIVE, GOING INTO A DEVIL-POSSESSED ZONE, WITHOUT GOD WILL COME UNDER SPIRITUAL ATTACK- AND COULD DIE.

This happened to T.L. OSBORN, when he first went to India.

The same thing later happened to MORRIS CERULLO.

[See: T.L. OSBORN AND DAISY OSBORN TELL THEIR STORY.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=PlA4aK6VAOA

THE BACKSIDE OF SATAN, by Morris Cerullo (1973).]
Re: Why I Converted To Islam After 20yrs Of Being A Committed Christian by Kobojunkie: 2:33am On Jun 17, 2021
Didov1:
i'm nt trying to discourage you,jst reread the bible and pray for understanding,...note this,i'm nt trying to force you to covert to christianity back,jst want to prove a point that jesus is nt jst a mere prophet...wishing you luck..$shalom
Jesus Christ is indeed not a mere prophet as He is instead God's Human avatar, the embodiment of the New Covenant Law promised by God from even the time of Abraham with which He said He would bless the nations of the world with. However, how many professing Christians, even today, know of this since the vast majority are carried away by doctrines and traditions of men, that which Jesus Christ declared were lies meant to decieve many away from the Truth of God. undecided

Many of those that fill your church houses are just as lost as this one who longer go around wearing the badge. Be sure you are not yourself just another badge wearer please. undecided
Re: Why I Converted To Islam After 20yrs Of Being A Committed Christian by Kobojunkie: 2:39am On Jun 17, 2021
analice107:

Those with the Spirit of divination can see exam questions. But wait!!!!, wouldn't seeing exam questions be cheating? Is God in support of that?

That doesn't seem like the Spirit of God behind that. I may be wrong though.
It always crack me up when I see issues such as this one. I have friends who are not even believers who swear at one time or another of having similar thing happen to them. If the one who claims to believe says God did it, who did it for the one who does not even believe at all? undecided
Re: Why I Converted To Islam After 20yrs Of Being A Committed Christian by igbowoman: 4:43am On Jun 17, 2021
A young lady that attended church couldn't find a husband there got a muslim suitor and married the man and now is singing the praises of Islam.

If you met with the Lord you cannot be a Muslim.
It is a guarantee.
You never knew him!
Why do I say so?
Jn 10:28
I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no-one will snatch them out of my hand

You never received that eternal life that is why quest for a husband could sway you.
If you indeed received him you would remain in him.
You were a church goer, you were not in Christ

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Re: Why I Converted To Islam After 20yrs Of Being A Committed Christian by Kobojunkie: 3:35pm On Jun 17, 2021
EPAINYOU:

Ok. have taken note of your point.

But she had the Holy Spirit before she converted. Una don pursue her for her thread.
It is impossible to recieve the Holy Spirit through the following of the doctrines and traditions of men which Jesus Christ declared were lies fashioned to decieve people away from the Truth of God, Jesus Christ. undecided

According to Jesus Christ, it is only those who know the Truth - submit to and obey the teachings and rules as put down by Jesus Christ- that go on to be freed from bondage to sin. So it is impossible to be a Son of God while still clinging to laws out forth by men as well as Old Covenant laws which are defined separate from the New Covenant. undecided

Jesus Christ said by their fruits he shall know them who belong to Him. And He also said that those who belong to Him are those who submit to and obey His teachings and commandments. So do not believe anyone who claims to have the Spirit of God without first examining their fruits. undecided
Re: Why I Converted To Islam After 20yrs Of Being A Committed Christian by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:46pm On Jun 17, 2021
She believes Christians are worshipers of God as well, after all some do claim that it's when they joined one church or the other that their problems disappeared.
So she got her own salvation in the other religion that means a worshiper of stone should be commended as long as he gets what he wants after rendering sacred service to his god STONE! cheesy

igbowoman:
A young lady that attended church couldn't find a husband there got a muslim suitor and married the man and now is singing the praises of Islam.
If you met with the Lord you cannot be a Muslim.
It is a guarantee.
You never knew him!
Why do I say so?
Jn 10:28
I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no-one will snatch them out of my hand
You never received that eternal life that is why quest for a husband could sway you.
If you indeed received him you would remain in him.
You were a church goer, you were not in Christ
Re: Why I Converted To Islam After 20yrs Of Being A Committed Christian by Childofaking: 5:14pm On Jun 17, 2021
vannessa7:
I remember how I used to read the promises of God and wondering why none of them is coming to pass in my life, every promises of Deut 28, now I'm experiencing what it means to serve God, I have also realise that Christianity is very good if only people can worship God and put Jesus in his rightful place, as a prophet not God, that singular act is bringing curses on many Christians because God is a jealous God, He emphasized it throughout the Quran that He will not share His glory, I also meditated on my sojourn in different churches, rccg is very powerful today without much prayer or gymnastics and it's majorly because of their name, the founder received that name directly from God even as an illiterate, I also know that assembly of God church is also very powerful, and any church where God is emphasized in worship, you need to visit mountain of fire to see what people are going through, some people have become customers of affliction and deliverance like I was, I even did 7days dry fasting once without anything to show, I nearly died, all I used to hear is foundation is bad and all that, but it's not like that in Islam, I no longer experience evil dreams of witchcraft attacks, familiar spirit, spirit husband dare not come near me again, every ancestral curses is gone, no more idol power manifesting as snake pursuing me in the dream, I used have many forbidden thing that bring on attack if I do them, I no longer forbid those things, black cloth o, red o, etc

Let me tell you Madam Venessa, the devil got you. He is the father of deception. As soon as you went into error, he just left you alone, no more bad dreams, no more oppressions, he will do anything for you to make sure you don't go back to the right way. it would have been the same thing if you had become an atheist, he will still leave you alone.

what of the things you read in the Bible, that i am the way the truth and the life, nobody goes to the father except by me, so that is no longer true ? The Quran was written about 500 years after jesus came and you can see the it is just a copy and paste (bad copy) of the things in the bible.

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