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Empiree:
Let's see who's in doubt since you alleged QUR'AN tells us to ask you. So I am in doubt about Jesus whether he's a spirit or God, or son of God or human being and Prophet. I'm not sure. Can you please tell me who is Jesus?. I believe he's human being and a prophet but I'm not sure. Can you tell us identity of Jesus to clarify my doubt?

SharonLoveth:
You asked a wonderful and good questions, I will use both Quran and Bible to answer your question. This is what Allah wants you to be doing often and always

1. Jesus Christ is the SPIRIT OF GOD; read Quran 4:171a

"O People of the Book (the Jews and the Christians)! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, and do not speak (lies) against God, but (speak) the truth; the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, is only a messenger of God and His Word which He bestowed on Mary and a Spirit from Him;

2. Jesus Christ is the WORD OF GOD; Quran 4:171a

"O People of the Book (the Jews and the Christians)! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, and do not speak (lies) against God, but (speak) the truth; the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, is only a messenger of God and His Word which He bestowed on Mary and a Spirit from Him;


3. He Came inform of a human as he was born of a virgin; Quran 3:47

She said: “O my Lord, how shall I have a son while no human has ever touched me?” Said He: “That is how Allah creates what He wills. When He decides a matter, He simply says to it ‘Be’, and it comes to be.

4. Jesus Christ is A Prophet; Quran 5:75a

The Messiah, son of Mary, was not but a prophet;

5. Jesus Christ is Son of God; John 1:34

And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.

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Empiree:
Jesus was God, son of God(human being) or spirit?.

Question is simple now. We don't have problem with Quran. Jesus was a complete human being according to QUR'AN. Now, over to you. Who is Jesus?.

I haven't even delved in other rubbish you wrote yet. You are already choking on this one

chrisblack:
do you understand yourself

Empiree:
all what you just said that I highlighted are hearsays without proofs. If he wanted to die or came to die for your sin, why did he cry to God when he faced death on the cross?. Does this sound like someone trying to die for you?




Matthew 27:45-50[/b]you know not what you talk about . I guess it's time to lecture you on the diviness of Jesus not only as The son of , the son of God and God

And about the ninth hour [b]Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?




you better speak for yourself on this one because you guys have different doctrines. Someone already posted up there not point ago that Jesus is God and he created the world. And besides, since you believe he's not, how about this Bible verse that claimed Jesus is God?



"For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace" - Isaiah 9:6

Empiree:
Jesus was God, son of God(human being) or spirit?.

Question is simple now. We don't have problem with Quran. Jesus was a complete human being according to QUR'AN. Now, over to you. Who is Jesus?.

I haven't even delved in other rubbish you wrote yet. You are already choking on this one

Empiree:
Jesus was God, son of God(human being) or spirit?.

Question is simple now. We don't have problem with Quran. Jesus was a complete human being according to QUR'AN. Now, over to you. Who is Jesus?.

I haven't even delved in other rubbish you wrote yet. You are already choking on this one

Empiree:
I think it is irrelevant to drag this because you didn't provide alternative meaning. Therefore, you denied your Bible. Case closed. *I didn't deny my Bible.



you still clinged on to this despite my deep analysis?. Bible is wrong for saying God sits on His throne. For God to sit on the throne means He's dependent on his creation (throne) to be stable. Even in the book of Isaiah 6:1-5 shows that seraphim is above God on the throne. Sitting on the right hand means "to move closer to God" spiritually. Hmm thank you for bring thing seraphim stuff self.
For you to say Good don't have a Throne or don't sit on a throne show that truly you Muslims lack.knowledge of the Bible And are hypocrites.
Even from the art of the Convenent that God ask the isrealites to build we can sit how God put it and there is a throne there.
So you mean God will just put something there just for putting sake?



this is a vision like any vision. Don't your pastors say the same thing to gullible people?. Even babalawo do the same. They would says "I see vision that breadwinner in your family will be born. He's this and that. He's covered by the wings of angels....bla bla bla". My pastors are not the prophets of old like Jeremiah. This is a vision of heaven Bros. Not just one vision. Not an ordinary vision.
See try uselessing the Bible vsions and you will see you uselessing the Quran. Wish I knew more about the Quran I would have used it against this nonsense you just put here..
For goodness sake this is gibberish.
How can you say a vision of heaven where a prophet of God eyes was open and he saw one like the son of man on the throne is just an ordinary vision....damn. this is an all.time low in itself


Now, to show you this doesn't make Jesus any different visit your Bible in the book of John 1:13-16 where angel announced birth of a baby boy John; "But the angel said to him: “Do not be afraid, Zechariah; your prayer has been heard. Your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you are to call him John. He will be a joy and delight to you, and many will rejoice because of his birth, for he will be great in the sight of the Lord. He is never to take wine or other fermented drink,(N) and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit(O) even before he is born.


You see the same words used for Jesus is used for John. He too was followed with holy spirit before and after he was born. So why do you CHRISTIANs distinguished them?. Why don't you accord John the Baptist the same merits given to Jesus?
Every prophet of old has the holy spirit in them... without the holy spirit no prophet will be able to do a single miracle. The holy spirit is a spirit of God..
I thought you didn't believe in the holy spirit before...you see you�

By the way Even John the Baptist himself Accord Jesus much respect cause he knows who Jesus is. Remember who when John was born first before Jesus and yet...John say that he is not worthy to baptize Jesus or to remove his sandals. Remember what he told the Pharisees?




talk without reference is futile. If seeing God makes Jesus special, how about many others that saw God?.

No prophets on Earth has ever saw God... None at all and Jesus saw God because he wasn't just a man or prophet.

Don't bring me the case of Moses I have already trashed that and gave you an instance of what the Bible meant with the case of Jecob but unfortunately you lack the wisdom to understand or you just know that I'm right but to try to seems right...u trying to manover "

Isaiah 6:1

In the year of King Uzziah’s death I saw the Lord sitting on a throne, lofty and exalted, with the train of His robe filling the temple



Psalm 63:2

Thus I have seen You in the sanctuary,
To see Your power and Your glory.


Job 42:5

“I have heard of You by the hearing of the ear;
But now my eye sees You


Genesis 16:13

Then she called the name of the Lord who spoke to her, “You are a God who sees”; for she said, “Have I even remained alive here after seeing Him?”

See also genesis 32:30, Hebrew 11:27, Numbers 24:4 and many more. All these people saw God and they lived.
Nope... They didn't see God. They saw God sit on a Throne but they didn't his face cause no man can see God face and live.
We can see that when we go to the book of Revelation. When John in a vision of heaven said what he saw step by step. He saw God but couldn't see his face. That is the same thing those people saw. If they did see God they will tell us what God face look like... They would've written it down



Jesus was breastfed, circumcised, washed etc. All these are attributes of a man. You and I went through these things and you still call him God?. Can you think things out?.
He was made flesh and dwelled amongst us* for someone to be made flesh it means he also has to do the things humans do.
How will.you save a people if you don't feel their pain, they anguish, their joy? When you don't behalf or eat like them?
How then will.you call.them.to God.
If Jesus was meant to die for our salvation...it perfect he has to feel the pains and everything that comes with it.
In Luke 11:27 Jesus was breastfed
In Luke 2:21-39 Jesus circumcized
In Mark 4:38-40 Jesus slept even with pillow
In Luke 24:42-43 Jesus ate
In John 18:19 Jesus was arrested
In John 19:28 Jesus was thirsty
In Luke 2:41-52 Jesus ran away

Are these attributes of God?. Good doesn't do these things. They befit not His Majesty. Your problem is you don't know the CONCEPT OF GOD.
No the problem.is you. Even the Bible keep making you understand that the son of God took.the flesh of human( meaning he has to be like human through and through.) To be accepted into the community of human.
Imagine someone that don't eat, don't feel pain, etc..
Would he be followed? Would he had been able to die on the cross for his people has it has been foretold?


see another confusion. So what's the point of being Christian then?. What you can not explain is false. The same way you guys say "we can not understand unless we have 'holy spirit'". This is illusion.
Unfortunately you guys truly don't have the holy spirit. Reasons I believe Muhammad was fake. Without the holy spirit you can't do a single miracle and for Muhammad not.to talk about the spirit of God ...then that goes alot to show who Muhammad really is. An impostor.


. every prophet and messanger of God said the same. They are all the only way in their time. Moses was the only way to his people by leading children of Israel to glory. Where was Jesus then?. No where to be found. If Jesus was the only way, how about those before him?. Does that mean they perished?. How about Abraham and other righteous people before Jesus?. Lol you keep telling me this nonsense ... They re numerous prophets doing the time of moses.. in the time of Jeremiah we have more than two prophets ...can we say that they are the way too? Two ways?

John the Baptist called his people to the right way Matthew 3. Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) is also the way Q43:43
John the Baptist called his people to the right way and yet he begged Jesus to baptize him. He said he is not worthy to untied the sandals of Jesus.
Etc. Read about his talk with the Pharisees then come back and correct this

"Verily, you(muhammad) are on a Straight Path."




come again to do what?. Even if he's coming back, his return is not evidence of his divinity. In Islamic literature, his return is too break the cross. That's, to deny Christianity. Psalms 7:11 says God is the only judge.


"God is a righteous judge, and a God who feels indignation every day."


Even your Pope doesn't believe Jesus is coming back. They now believe he's dead . They are tired is waiting. See attached



where is your evidence?. The only reference to what you said was unknown second speaker in the bible.




who told you Jesus forgave?. He didn't. “Isn’t it true that Jesus forgave those who crucified him?”


The short answer to that question is, “no,” Jesus did not forgive them. If you think carefully about this passage, you will see this is the case. Jesus prayed that those who crucified him would be forgiven in the future, he did not thank God that they were already forgiven. If they had already been forgiven, such a prayer would have been superfluous. The reference in view in this question is the crucifixion account in Luke 23.



And when they came to the place that is called The Skull, there they crucified him, and the criminals, one on his right and one on his left. And Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.”~ Luke 23:33-34



In the Quran


For those it is expected that Allah will pardon them, and Allah is ever Pardoning and Forgiving. (An-Nisaa' 4:99)



Forgiveness was one of the most notable manners of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). The Qur’an indicated that Prophet Muhammad showed ultimate forgiveness. We read:



"O People of the Scripture, there has come to you Our Messenger(muhammad) making clear to you much of what you used to conceal from the Scripture and forgiving much. There has come to you from Allah a light and a clear Book." (Al-Ma'idah 5:15)



But pardon them and overlook [their misdeeds]. Indeed, Allah loves the doers of good. (Al-Ma'idah 5:13)



We further read:



Show forgiveness, enjoin what is good, and turn away from the ignorant. (Al-A`raf 7:199)




I have helped you with this above.




Here again from Hadith


Abu Hurairah reported that Prophet Muhammad said: “Charity does not decrease wealth, no one forgives another except that Allah increases his honor, and no one humbles himself for the sake of Allah except that Allah raises his status.” (Muslim)

Companion Abu Ad-Darda’ was asked about the most honorable person. He replied: “He who forgives if he is able (to avenge). So show forgiveness so that God may honor you.” (Ihya `Ulum Ad-Din by Al-Ghazaly)

Imam Ali bin Abu Talib said: “If you are able to destroy your enemy, show forgiveness as thanksgiving for such ability.” (Al-Abshihy’s Al-Mustatraf)

Muayiah ibn Abu Sufyan said: “Show forbearance and tolerance until you seize the opportunity. If you do, show pardon and graciousness” (Ihya `Ulum Ad-Din by Al-Ghazaly)

Al-Hassan Al-Basry said: “The best manner of a believer is forgiveness.” (Al-Adab Al-Shariyah by Ibn Muflih Al-Hanbaly)






followers of Jesus are not CHRISTIANS. Give us proof from your Bible. CHRISTIANs are followers of Paul. Nassara (Israelites) are followers of Jesus.

SharonLoveth:
This is your question in qoute:

"Let's see who's in doubt since you alleged QUR'AN tells us to ask you. So I am in doubt about Jesus whether he's a spirit or God, or son of God or human being and Prophet. I'm not sure. Can you please tell me who is Jesus?. I believe he's human being and a prophet but I'm not sure. Can you tell us identity of Jesus to clarify my doubt?"

This is the answer to your question


1. Jesus Christ is the SPIRIT OF GOD; read Quran 4:171a

"O People of the Book (the Jews and the Christians)! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, and do not speak (lies) against God, but (speak) the truth; the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, is only a messenger of God and His Word which He bestowed on Mary and a Spirit from Him;

2. Jesus Christ is the WORD OF GOD; Quran 4:171a

"O People of the Book (the Jews and the Christians)! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, and do not speak (lies) against God, but (speak) the truth; the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, is only a messenger of God and His Word which He bestowed on Mary and a Spirit from Him;


3. He Came inform of a human as he was born of a virgin; Quran 3:47

She said: “O my Lord, how shall I have a son while no human has ever touched me?” Said He: “That is how Allah creates what He wills. When He decides a matter, He simply says to it ‘Be’, and it comes to be.

4. Jesus Christ is A Prophet; Quran 5:75a

The Messiah, son of Mary, was not but a prophet;

5. Jesus Christ is Son of God; John 1:34

And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.


JESUS CHRIST IS ALL WHAT YOU SAID, He came in form of a man born of virgin womb, Jesus Christ is God, Jesus Christ is spirit of God. Jesus Christ is Messiah, Jesus Christ is Alpha and Omega, Jesus Christ is the word of God, just name anything you think Jesus Christ is I will back it uo for you from Quran and Holy Bible

How did you still want me to answer your question with all the proofs from the Quran?

Or you don't use to read those verse from the Qur'an? Or you intentionally wave those quranic verses because you're not please with them? Endeavor to stop arguing blindly, make your Quran your friend, read it day and night. This is the only advice I can give you..

GOD BLESS YOU, BYE FOR NOW

SharonLoveth:
JESUS CHRIST IS ALL WHAT YOU SAID, He came in form of a man born of virgin womb, Jesus Christ is God , Jesus Christ is spirit of God. Jesus Christ is Messiah, Jesus Christ is Alpha and Omega, Jesus Christ is the word of God, just name anything you think Jesus Christ is I will back it uo for you from Quran and Holy Bible

ifiokjohn:
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Empiree:
I can't respond to you properly until you fix your reply

Empiree:
I am aware of Christian tricks very well and it is not gonna get you anywhere.

The first QUR'AN you quoted says warned you


O People of the Book! Do not transgress the limits of your religion.


It goes further to say


"The Messiah, Isa (Jesus) the son of Maryam (Mary) was no more than a messanger of Allah"



It clarified identity of Jesus in the next statement


"and His [God] Word "Be" which He bestowed on Maryam and a Spirit from Him (which took the shape of a child in her womb.)


The word from God is called "Divine Command" or "Creative Power" which God said into something, "Be, and it is". And the verse also said "spirit from God". This is ruh which God infuses on every human being. The same spirit was bestowed upon Adam (p). The same spirit is bestowed upon every human being. Does that make us God, son of God or spirit?.. this is why QUR'AN says


Verily, the likeness of 'Iesa (Jesus) before Allah is the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: "Be!" - and he was. 3:59

So obviously there is nothing special except that he created him without father and created Adam without any parents. With this, it is clear that Jesus is human being.


"Spirit from God* is the same spirit infused in every human being. Quran gives us process of human created in stages and God's spirit placed inside our mothers womb.. it is the Gods breathe in us that gave us life. In that case why don't you call every human "spirit of God"as well?.


Verily We created man from a product of wet earth; then placed him as a drop (of seed) in a safe lodging; then We fashioned the drop into a clot, then We fashioned the clot into a little lump, then We fashioned the little lump into bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced it another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of Creators!” [23:12-14]


And when I have proportioned him and breathed into him of My spirit, then fall down to him in prostration." (15:29 and 38:72).


The same goes for every human. Spirit (life being) breathed into the foetus at 120 days. It is the same spirit from God like Jesus. Even someone died or killed, some say "his spirit" is around, his spirit is bothering me etc. So why don't you call average human spirit as well?.

Jesus was a man, a prophet and a messanger. So going by your logic, Adam and every human being are also benefactors in those Ayah of Quran you quoted


Adam and mankind are spirit according to Q4:171

Adam and mankind are human and sons of God Q3:47

The only difference between human beings, Adam and Jesus is Jesus and Adam are prophets. Interestingly, you said Quran implored Muslims to ask you but you returned to the same Quran for your answers. I have explained to you what spirit means. Spirit is something we can not see at anytime. For example, Angels. Angels are spiritual beings. So Jesus could not be spirit.

Again, is Jesus God or man?. This is your answer below.






Who created Mary?. You see your confusion now?

Empiree:
I think it is irrelevant to drag this because you didn't provide alternative meaning. Therefore, you denied your Bible. Case closed.



you still clinged on to this despite my deep analysis?. Bible is wrong for saying God sits on His throne. For God to sit on the throne means He's dependent on his creation (throne) to be stable. Even in the book of Isaiah 6:1-5 shows that seraphim is above God on the throne. Sitting on the right hand means "to move closer to God" spiritually.



this is a vision like any vision. Don't your pastors say the same thing to gullible people?. Even babalawo do the same. They would says "I see vision that breadwinner in your family will be born. He's this and that. He's covered by the wings of angels....bla bla bla".


Now, to show you this doesn't make Jesus any different visit your Bible in the book of John 1:13-16 where angel announced birth of a baby boy John; "But the angel said to him: “Do not be afraid, Zechariah; your prayer has been heard. Your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you are to call him John. He will be a joy and delight to you, and many will rejoice because of his birth, for he will be great in the sight of the Lord. He is never to take wine or other fermented drink,(N) and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit(O) even before he is born.


You see the same words used for Jesus is used for John. He too was followed with holy spirit before and after he was born. So why do you CHRISTIANs distinguished them?. Why don't you accord John the Baptist the same merits given to Jesus?





talk without reference is futile. If seeing God makes Jesus special, how about many others that saw God?.



Isaiah 6:1

In the year of King Uzziah’s death I saw the Lord sitting on a throne, lofty and exalted, with the train of His robe filling the temple



Psalm 63:2

Thus I have seen You in the sanctuary,
To see Your power and Your glory.


Job 42:5

“I have heard of You by the hearing of the ear;
But now my eye sees You


Genesis 16:13

Then she called the name of the Lord who spoke to her, “You are a God who sees”; for she said, “Have I even remained alive here after seeing Him?”

See also genesis 32:30, Hebrew 11:27, Numbers 24:4 and many more. All these people saw God and they lived.




Jesus was breastfed, circumcised, washed etc. All these are attributes of a man. You and I went through these things and you still call him God?. Can you think things out?.

In Luke 11:27 Jesus was breastfed
In Luke 2:21-39 Jesus circumcized
In Mark 4:38-40 Jesus slept even with pillow
In Luke 24:42-43 Jesus ate
In John 18:19 Jesus was arrested
In John 19:28 Jesus was thirsty
In Luke 2:41-52 Jesus ran away

Are these attributes of God?. Good doesn't do these things. They befit not His Majesty. Your problem is you don't know the CONCEPT OF GOD.



see another confusion. So what's the point of being Christian then?. What you can not explain is false. The same way you guys say "we can not understand unless we have 'holy spirit'". This is illusion.



. every prophet and messanger of God said the same. They are all the only way in their time. Moses was the only way to his people by leading children of Israel to glory. Where was Jesus then?. No where to be found. If Jesus was the only way, how about those before him?. Does that mean they perished?. How about Abraham and other righteous people before Jesus?.

John the Baptist called his people to the right way Matthew 3. Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) is also the way Q43:43


"Verily, you(muhammad) are on are Straight Path."




come again to do what?. Even if he's coming back, his return is not evidence of his divinity. In Islamic literature, his return is too break the cross. That's, to deny Christianity. Psalms 7:11 says God is the only judge.


"God is a righteous judge, and a God who feels indignation every day."


Even your Pope doesn't believe Jesus is coming back. They now believe he's dead . They are tired is waiting. See attached



where is your evidence?. The only reference to what you said was unknown second speaker in the bible.




who told you Jesus forgave?. He didn't. “Isn’t it true that Jesus forgave those who crucified him?”


The short answer to that question is, “no,” Jesus did not forgive them. If you think carefully about this passage, you will see this is the case. Jesus prayed that those who crucified him would be forgiven in the future, he did not thank God that they were already forgiven. If they had already been forgiven, such a prayer would have been superfluous. The reference in view in this question is the crucifixion account in Luke 23.



And when they came to the place that is called The Skull, there they crucified him, and the criminals, one on his right and one on his left. And Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.”~ Luke 23:33-34



In the Quran


For those it is expected that Allah will pardon them, and Allah is ever Pardoning and Forgiving. (An-Nisaa' 4:99)



Forgiveness was one of the most notable manners of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). The Qur’an indicated that Prophet Muhammad showed ultimate forgiveness. We read:



"O People of the Scripture, there has come to you Our Messenger(muhammad) making clear to you much of what you used to conceal from the Scripture and forgiving much. There has come to you from Allah a light and a clear Book." (Al-Ma'idah 5:15)
The


But pardon them and overlook [their misdeeds]. Indeed, Allah loves the doers of good. (Al-Ma'idah 5:13)



We further read:



Show forgiveness, enjoin what is good, and turn away from the ignorant. (Al-A`raf 7:199)




I have helped you with this above.




Here again from Hadith


Abu Hurairah reported that Prophet Muhammad said: “Charity does not decrease wealth, no one forgives another except that Allah increases his honor, and no one humbles himself for the sake of Allah except that Allah raises his status.” (Muslim)

Companion Abu Ad-Darda’ was asked about the most honorable person. He replied: “He who forgives if he is able (to avenge). So show forgiveness so that God may honor you.” (Ihya `Ulum Ad-Din by Al-Ghazaly)

Imam Ali bin Abu Talib said: “If you are able to destroy your enemy, show forgiveness as thanksgiving for such ability.” (Al-Abshihy’s Al-Mustatraf)

Muayiah ibn Abu Sufyan said: “Show forbearance and tolerance until you seize the opportunity. If you do, show pardon and graciousness” (Ihya `Ulum Ad-Din by Al-Ghazaly)

Al-Hassan Al-Basry said: “The best manner of a believer is forgiveness.” (Al-Adab Al-Shariyah by Ibn Muflih Al-Hanbaly)






followers of Jesus are not CHRISTIANS. Give us proof from your Bible. CHRISTIANs are followers of Paul. Nassara (Israelites) are followers of Jesus.

SharonLoveth:
if you read and understand the Qur'an, you won't be displaying ignorance about the divinity of Jesus.

1. Qur'an tells you that Jesus is the Word of God

2. Quran also tells you that Jesus is the Spirit (Ruh) from God.

Is your word and your spirit not part of you?


Muhammad was not the spirit of God but he was rather possessed by demons

Sahih Muslim 2814:
Abdullah b. Mas'ud reported that Allah's Messenger ( ﷺ ) said:
There is none amongst you with whom is not an attache from amongst the jinn (devil). They (the Companions) said: Allah's Messenger, with you too? Thereupon he said: Yes, but Allah helps me against him and so I am safe from his hand and he does not command me but for good.[/b] "He will bring justice to the nations of the world" : Even Muslisms agree that Jesus is the one that is comingbback to the world as a just ruler

You're even comparing Jesus to Adam and other human beings. Let me ask you, IS THEIR ANYONE DEAD OR ALIVE been born of a Virgin womb Aside Jesus Christ? IS THEIR ANYONE that ever died, resurrected and alive till today aside Jesus Christ? The answer is NO.

Can you show where it is written that Jesus Christ was created from dust?

You said we cannot see Angels, but Muhammad saw Jibril twice “in the form that he was created” and on other occasions as a man resembling Dihyah ibn Khalifah al-Kalbi"

You are an author of CONFUSION, you lack basic understanding of Quran and ahadith


About the creation of man this is what Qur'an says:

Quran 96:2

“We Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood,”

Quran 15:26

“We created man from sounding clay, from mud molded into shape"

Quran 16:4

“He has created man from a sperm-drop; and behold this same (man) becomes an open disputer"

Quran 3:59

“The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: “Be”. And he was,”

Where did you get your own version of the quran?

You asked who created Mary? What a novice question

Genesis 1:26

Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."


Pls endeavour to read my texts and answer the questions therein as I have answered yours

Empiree:
I think it is irrelevant to drag this because you didn't provide alternative meaning. Therefore, you denied your Bible. Case closed.



you still clinged on to this despite my deep analysis?. Bible is wrong for saying God sits on His throne. For God to sit on the throne means He's dependent on his creation (throne) to be stable. Even in the book of Isaiah 6:1-5 shows that seraphim is above God on the throne. Sitting on the right hand means "to move closer to God" spiritually.



this is a vision like any vision. Don't your pastors say the same thing to gullible people?. Even babalawo do the same. They would says "I see vision that breadwinner in your family will be born. He's this and that. He's covered by the wings of angels....bla bla bla".


Now, to show you this doesn't make Jesus any different visit your Bible in the book of John 1:13-16 where angel announced birth of a baby boy John; "But the angel said to him: “Do not be afraid, Zechariah; your prayer has been heard. Your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you are to call him John. He will be a joy and delight to you, and many will rejoice because of his birth, for he will be great in the sight of the Lord. He is never to take wine or other fermented drink,(N) and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit(O) even before he is born.


You see the same words used for Jesus is used for John. He too was followed with holy spirit before and after he was born. So why do you CHRISTIANs distinguished them?. Why don't you accord John the Baptist the same merits given to Jesus?





talk without reference is futile. If seeing God makes Jesus special, how about many others that saw God?.



Isaiah 6:1

In the year of King Uzziah’s death I saw the Lord sitting on a throne, lofty and exalted, with the train of His robe filling the temple



Psalm 63:2

Thus I have seen You in the sanctuary,
To see Your power and Your glory.


Job 42:5

“I have heard of You by the hearing of the ear;
But now my eye sees You


Genesis 16:13

Then she called the name of the Lord who spoke to her, “You are a God who sees”; for she said, “Have I even remained alive here after seeing Him?”

See also genesis 32:30, Hebrew 11:27, Numbers 24:4 and many more. All these people saw God and they lived.




Jesus was breastfed, circumcised, washed etc. All these are attributes of a man. You and I went through these things and you still call him God?. Can you think things out?.

In Luke 11:27 Jesus was breastfed
In Luke 2:21-39 Jesus circumcized
In Mark 4:38-40 Jesus slept even with pillow
In Luke 24:42-43 Jesus ate
In John 18:19 Jesus was arrested
In John 19:28 Jesus was thirsty
In Luke 2:41-52 Jesus ran away

Are these attributes of God?. Good doesn't do these things. They befit not His Majesty. Your problem is you don't know the CONCEPT OF GOD.



see another confusion. So what's the point of being Christian then?. What you can not explain is false. The same way you guys say "we can not understand unless we have 'holy spirit'". This is illusion.



. every prophet and messanger of God said the same. They are all the only way in their time. Moses was the only way to his people by leading children of Israel to glory. Where was Jesus then?. No where to be found. If Jesus was the only way, how about those before him?. Does that mean they perished?. How about Abraham and other righteous people before Jesus?.

John the Baptist called his people to the right way Matthew 3. Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) is also the way Q43:43


"Verily, you(muhammad) are on are Straight Path."




come again to do what?. Even if he's coming back, his return is not evidence of his divinity. In Islamic literature, his return is too break the cross. That's, to deny Christianity. Psalms 7:11 says God is the only judge.


"God is a righteous judge, and a God who feels indignation every day."


Even your Pope doesn't believe Jesus is coming back. They now believe he's dead . They are tired is waiting. See attached



where is your evidence?. The only reference to what you said was unknown second speaker in the bible.




who told you Jesus forgave?. He didn't. “Isn’t it true that Jesus forgave those who crucified him?”


The short answer to that question is, “no,” Jesus did not forgive them. If you think carefully about this passage, you will see this is the case. Jesus prayed that those who crucified him would be forgiven in the future, he did not thank God that they were already forgiven. If they had already been forgiven, such a prayer would have been superfluous. The reference in view in this question is the crucifixion account in Luke 23.



And when they came to the place that is called The Skull, there they crucified him, and the criminals, one on his right and one on his left. And Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.”~ Luke 23:33-34



In the Quran


For those it is expected that Allah will pardon them, and Allah is ever Pardoning and Forgiving. (An-Nisaa' 4:99)



Forgiveness was one of the most notable manners of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). The Qur’an indicated that Prophet Muhammad showed ultimate forgiveness. We read:



"O People of the Scripture, there has come to you Our Messenger(muhammad) making clear to you much of what you used to conceal from the Scripture and forgiving much. There has come to you from Allah a light and a clear Book." (Al-Ma'idah 5:15)
The


But pardon them and overlook [their misdeeds]. Indeed, Allah loves the doers of good. (Al-Ma'idah 5:13)



We further read:



Show forgiveness, enjoin what is good, and turn away from the ignorant. (Al-A`raf 7:199)




I have helped you with this above.




Here again from Hadith


Abu Hurairah reported that Prophet Muhammad said: “Charity does not decrease wealth, no one forgives another except that Allah increases his honor, and no one humbles himself for the sake of Allah except that Allah raises his status.” (Muslim)

Companion Abu Ad-Darda’ was asked about the most honorable person. He replied: “He who forgives if he is able (to avenge). So show forgiveness so that God may honor you.” (Ihya `Ulum Ad-Din by Al-Ghazaly)

Imam Ali bin Abu Talib said: “If you are able to destroy your enemy, show forgiveness as thanksgiving for such ability.” (Al-Abshihy’s Al-Mustatraf)

Muayiah ibn Abu Sufyan said: “Show forbearance and tolerance until you seize the opportunity. If you do, show pardon and graciousness” (Ihya `Ulum Ad-Din by Al-Ghazaly)

Al-Hassan Al-Basry said: “The best manner of a believer is forgiveness.” (Al-Adab Al-Shariyah by Ibn Muflih Al-Hanbaly)






followers of Jesus are not CHRISTIANS. Give us proof from your Bible. CHRISTIANs are followers of Paul. Nassara (Israelites) are followers of Jesus.

SharonLoveth:
if you read and understand the Qur'an, you won't be displaying ignorance about the divinity of Jesus.

1. Qur'an tells you that Jesus is the Word of God

2. Quran also tells you that Jesus is the Spirit (Ruh) from God.

Is your word and your spirit not part of you?


Muhammad was not the spirit of God but he was rather possessed by demons

Sahih Muslim 2814:
Abdullah b. Mas'ud reported that Allah's Messenger ( ﷺ ) said:
There is none amongst you with whom is not an attache from amongst the jinn (devil). They (the Companions) said: Allah's Messenger, with you too? Thereupon he said: Yes, but Allah helps me against him and so I am safe from his hand and he does not command me but for good.[/b] "He will bring justice to the nations of the world" : Even Muslisms agree that Jesus is the one that is comingbback to the world as a just ruler

You're even comparing Jesus to Adam and other human beings. Let me ask you, IS THEIR ANYONE DEAD OR ALIVE been born of a Virgin womb Aside Jesus Christ? IS THEIR ANYONE that ever died, resurrected and alive till today aside Jesus Christ? The answer is NO.

Can you show where it is written that Jesus Christ was created from dust?

You said we cannot see Angels, but Muhammad saw Jibril twice “in the form that he was created” and on other occasions as a man resembling Dihyah ibn Khalifah al-Kalbi"

You are an author of CONFUSION, you lack basic understanding of Quran and ahadith


About the creation of man this is what Qur'an says:

Quran 96:2

“We Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood,”

Quran 15:26

“We created man from sounding clay, from mud molded into shape"

Quran 16:4

“He has created man from a sperm-drop; and behold this same (man) becomes an open disputer"

Quran 3:59

“The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: “Be”. And he was,”

Where did you get your own version of the quran?

You asked who created Mary? What a novice question

Genesis 1:26

Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."


Pls endeavour to read my texts and answer the questions therein as I have answered yours

Empiree:
I think it is irrelevant to drag this because you didn't provide alternative meaning. Therefore, you denied your Bible. Case closed.



you still clinged on to this despite my deep analysis?. Bible is wrong for saying God sits on His throne. For God to sit on the throne means He's dependent on his creation (throne) to be stable. Even in the book of Isaiah 6:1-5 shows that seraphim is above God on the throne. Sitting on the right hand means "to move closer to God" spiritually.



this is a vision like any vision. Don't your pastors say the same thing to gullible people?. Even babalawo do the same. They would says "I see vision that breadwinner in your family will be born. He's this and that. He's covered by the wings of angels....bla bla bla".


Now, to show you this doesn't make Jesus any different visit your Bible in the book of John 1:13-16 where angel announced birth of a baby boy John; "But the angel said to him: “Do not be afraid, Zechariah; your prayer has been heard. Your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you are to call him John. He will be a joy and delight to you, and many will rejoice because of his birth, for he will be great in the sight of the Lord. He is never to take wine or other fermented drink,(N) and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit(O) even before he is born.


You see the same words used for Jesus is used for John. He too was followed with holy spirit before and after he was born. So why do you CHRISTIANs distinguished them?. Why don't you accord John the Baptist the same merits given to Jesus?





talk without reference is futile. If seeing God makes Jesus special, how about many others that saw God?.



Isaiah 6:1

In the year of King Uzziah’s death I saw the Lord sitting on a throne, lofty and exalted, with the train of His robe filling the temple



Psalm 63:2

Thus I have seen You in the sanctuary,
To see Your power and Your glory.


Job 42:5

“I have heard of You by the hearing of the ear;
But now my eye sees You


Genesis 16:13

Then she called the name of the Lord who spoke to her, “You are a God who sees”; for she said, “Have I even remained alive here after seeing Him?”

See also genesis 32:30, Hebrew 11:27, Numbers 24:4 and many more. All these people saw God and they lived.




Jesus was breastfed, circumcised, washed etc. All these are attributes of a man. You and I went through these things and you still call him God?. Can you think things out?.

In Luke 11:27 Jesus was breastfed
In Luke 2:21-39 Jesus circumcized
In Mark 4:38-40 Jesus slept even with pillow
In Luke 24:42-43 Jesus ate
In John 18:19 Jesus was arrested
In John 19:28 Jesus was thirsty
In Luke 2:41-52 Jesus ran away

Are these attributes of God?. Good doesn't do these things. They befit not His Majesty. Your problem is you don't know the CONCEPT OF GOD.



see another confusion. So what's the point of being Christian then?. What you can not explain is false. The same way you guys say "we can not understand unless we have 'holy spirit'". This is illusion.



. every prophet and messanger of God said the same. They are all the only way in their time. Moses was the only way to his people by leading children of Israel to glory. Where was Jesus then?. No where to be found. If Jesus was the only way, how about those before him?. Does that mean they perished?. How about Abraham and other righteous people before Jesus?.

John the Baptist called his people to the right way Matthew 3. Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) is also the way Q43:43


"Verily, you(muhammad) are on are Straight Path."




come again to do what?. Even if he's coming back, his return is not evidence of his divinity. In Islamic literature, his return is too break the cross. That's, to deny Christianity. Psalms 7:11 says God is the only judge.


"God is a righteous judge, and a God who feels indignation every day."


Even your Pope doesn't believe Jesus is coming back. They now believe he's dead . They are tired is waiting. See attached



where is your evidence?. The only reference to what you said was unknown second speaker in the bible.




who told you Jesus forgave?. He didn't. “Isn’t it true that Jesus forgave those who crucified him?”


The short answer to that question is, “no,” Jesus did not forgive them. If you think carefully about this passage, you will see this is the case. Jesus prayed that those who crucified him would be forgiven in the future, he did not thank God that they were already forgiven. If they had already been forgiven, such a prayer would have been superfluous. The reference in view in this question is the crucifixion account in Luke 23.



And when they came to the place that is called The Skull, there they crucified him, and the criminals, one on his right and one on his left. And Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.”~ Luke 23:33-34



In the Quran


For those it is expected that Allah will pardon them, and Allah is ever Pardoning and Forgiving. (An-Nisaa' 4:99)



Forgiveness was one of the most notable manners of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). The Qur’an indicated that Prophet Muhammad showed ultimate forgiveness. We read:



"O People of the Scripture, there has come to you Our Messenger(muhammad) making clear to you much of what you used to conceal from the Scripture and forgiving much. There has come to you from Allah a light and a clear Book." (Al-Ma'idah 5:15)
The


But pardon them and overlook [their misdeeds]. Indeed, Allah loves the doers of good. (Al-Ma'idah 5:13)



We further read:



Show forgiveness, enjoin what is good, and turn away from the ignorant. (Al-A`raf 7:199)




I have helped you with this above.




Here again from Hadith


Abu Hurairah reported that Prophet Muhammad said: “Charity does not decrease wealth, no one forgives another except that Allah increases his honor, and no one humbles himself for the sake of Allah except that Allah raises his status.” (Muslim)

Companion Abu Ad-Darda’ was asked about the most honorable person. He replied: “He who forgives if he is able (to avenge). So show forgiveness so that God may honor you.” (Ihya `Ulum Ad-Din by Al-Ghazaly)

Imam Ali bin Abu Talib said: “If you are able to destroy your enemy, show forgiveness as thanksgiving for such ability.” (Al-Abshihy’s Al-Mustatraf)

Muayiah ibn Abu Sufyan said: “Show forbearance and tolerance until you seize the opportunity. If you do, show pardon and graciousness” (Ihya `Ulum Ad-Din by Al-Ghazaly)

Al-Hassan Al-Basry said: “The best manner of a believer is forgiveness.” (Al-Adab Al-Shariyah by Ibn Muflih Al-Hanbaly)






followers of Jesus are not CHRISTIANS. Give us proof from your Bible. CHRISTIANs are followers of Paul. Nassara (Israelites) are followers of Jesus.

SharonLoveth:
if you read and understand the Qur'an, you won't be displaying ignorance about the divinity of Jesus.

1. Qur'an tells you that Jesus is the Word of God

2. Quran also tells you that Jesus is the Spirit (Ruh) from God.

Is your word and your spirit not part of you?


Muhammad was not the spirit of God but he was rather possessed by demons

Sahih Muslim 2814:
Abdullah b. Mas'ud reported that Allah's Messenger ( ﷺ ) said:
There is none amongst you with whom is not an attache from amongst the jinn (devil). They (the Companions) said: Allah's Messenger, with you too? Thereupon he said: Yes, but Allah helps me against him and so I am safe from his hand and he does not command me but for good.[/b] "He will bring justice to the nations of the world" : Even Muslisms agree that Jesus is the one that is comingbback to the world as a just ruler

You're even comparing Jesus to Adam and other human beings. Let me ask you, IS THEIR ANYONE DEAD OR ALIVE been born of a Virgin womb Aside Jesus Christ? IS THEIR ANYONE that ever died, resurrected and alive till today aside Jesus Christ? The answer is NO.

Can you show where it is written that Jesus Christ was created from dust?

You said we cannot see Angels, but Muhammad saw Jibril twice “in the form that he was created” and on other occasions as a man resembling Dihyah ibn Khalifah al-Kalbi"

You are an author of CONFUSION, you lack basic understanding of Quran and ahadith


About the creation of man this is what Qur'an says:

Quran 96:2

“We Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood,”

Quran 15:26

“We created man from sounding clay, from mud molded into shape"

Quran 16:4

“He has created man from a sperm-drop; and behold this same (man) becomes an open disputer"

Quran 3:59

“The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: “Be”. And he was,”

Where did you get your own version of the quran?

You asked who created Mary? What a novice question

Genesis 1:26

Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."


Pls endeavour to read my texts and answer the questions therein as I have answered yours

Empiree:
I think it is irrelevant to drag this because you didn't provide alternative meaning. Therefore, you denied your Bible. Case closed.



you still clinged on to this despite my deep analysis?. Bible is wrong for saying God sits on His throne. For God to sit on the throne means He's dependent on his creation (throne) to be stable. Even in the book of Isaiah 6:1-5 shows that seraphim is above God on the throne. Sitting on the right hand means "to move closer to God" spiritually.



this is a vision like any vision. Don't your pastors say the same thing to gullible people?. Even babalawo do the same. They would says "I see vision that breadwinner in your family will be born. He's this and that. He's covered by the wings of angels....bla bla bla".


Now, to show you this doesn't make Jesus any different visit your Bible in the book of John 1:13-16 where angel announced birth of a baby boy John; "But the angel said to him: “Do not be afraid, Zechariah; your prayer has been heard. Your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you are to call him John. He will be a joy and delight to you, and many will rejoice because of his birth, for he will be great in the sight of the Lord. He is never to take wine or other fermented drink,(N) and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit(O) even before he is born.


You see the same words used for Jesus is used for John. He too was followed with holy spirit before and after he was born. So why do you CHRISTIANs distinguished them?. Why don't you accord John the Baptist the same merits given to Jesus?





talk without reference is futile. If seeing God makes Jesus special, how about many others that saw God?.



Isaiah 6:1

In the year of King Uzziah’s death I saw the Lord sitting on a throne, lofty and exalted, with the train of His robe filling the temple



Psalm 63:2

Thus I have seen You in the sanctuary,
To see Your power and Your glory.


Job 42:5

“I have heard of You by the hearing of the ear;
But now my eye sees You


Genesis 16:13

Then she called the name of the Lord who spoke to her, “You are a God who sees”; for she said, “Have I even remained alive here after seeing Him?”

See also genesis 32:30, Hebrew 11:27, Numbers 24:4 and many more. All these people saw God and they lived.




Jesus was breastfed, circumcised, washed etc. All these are attributes of a man. You and I went through these things and you still call him God?. Can you think things out?.

In Luke 11:27 Jesus was breastfed
In Luke 2:21-39 Jesus circumcized
In Mark 4:38-40 Jesus slept even with pillow
In Luke 24:42-43 Jesus ate
In John 18:19 Jesus was arrested
In John 19:28 Jesus was thirsty
In Luke 2:41-52 Jesus ran away

Are these attributes of God?. Good doesn't do these things. They befit not His Majesty. Your problem is you don't know the CONCEPT OF GOD.



see another confusion. So what's the point of being Christian then?. What you can not explain is false. The same way you guys say "we can not understand unless we have 'holy spirit'". This is illusion.



. every prophet and messanger of God said the same. They are all the only way in their time. Moses was the only way to his people by leading children of Israel to glory. Where was Jesus then?. No where to be found. If Jesus was the only way, how about those before him?. Does that mean they perished?. How about Abraham and other righteous people before Jesus?.

John the Baptist called his people to the right way Matthew 3. Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) is also the way Q43:43


"Verily, you(muhammad) are on are Straight Path."




come again to do what?. Even if he's coming back, his return is not evidence of his divinity. In Islamic literature, his return is too break the cross. That's, to deny Christianity. Psalms 7:11 says God is the only judge.


"God is a righteous judge, and a God who feels indignation every day."


Even your Pope doesn't believe Jesus is coming back. They now believe he's dead . They are tired is waiting. See attached



where is your evidence?. The only reference to what you said was unknown second speaker in the bible.




who told you Jesus forgave?. He didn't. “Isn’t it true that Jesus forgave those who crucified him?”


The short answer to that question is, “no,” Jesus did not forgive them. If you think carefully about this passage, you will see this is the case. Jesus prayed that those who crucified him would be forgiven in the future, he did not thank God that they were already forgiven. If they had already been forgiven, such a prayer would have been superfluous. The reference in view in this question is the crucifixion account in Luke 23.



And when they came to the place that is called The Skull, there they crucified him, and the criminals, one on his right and one on his left. And Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.”~ Luke 23:33-34



In the Quran


For those it is expected that Allah will pardon them, and Allah is ever Pardoning and Forgiving. (An-Nisaa' 4:99)



Forgiveness was one of the most notable manners of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). The Qur’an indicated that Prophet Muhammad showed ultimate forgiveness. We read:



"O People of the Scripture, there has come to you Our Messenger(muhammad) making clear to you much of what you used to conceal from the Scripture and forgiving much. There has come to you from Allah a light and a clear Book." (Al-Ma'idah 5:15)
The


But pardon them and overlook [their misdeeds]. Indeed, Allah loves the doers of good. (Al-Ma'idah 5:13)



We further read:



Show forgiveness, enjoin what is good, and turn away from the ignorant. (Al-A`raf 7:199)




I have helped you with this above.




Here again from Hadith


Abu Hurairah reported that Prophet Muhammad said: “Charity does not decrease wealth, no one forgives another except that Allah increases his honor, and no one humbles himself for the sake of Allah except that Allah raises his status.” (Muslim)

Companion Abu Ad-Darda’ was asked about the most honorable person. He replied: “He who forgives if he is able (to avenge). So show forgiveness so that God may honor you.” (Ihya `Ulum Ad-Din by Al-Ghazaly)

Imam Ali bin Abu Talib said: “If you are able to destroy your enemy, show forgiveness as thanksgiving for such ability.” (Al-Abshihy’s Al-Mustatraf)

Muayiah ibn Abu Sufyan said: “Show forbearance and tolerance until you seize the opportunity. If you do, show pardon and graciousness” (Ihya `Ulum Ad-Din by Al-Ghazaly)

Al-Hassan Al-Basry said: “The best manner of a believer is forgiveness.” (Al-Adab Al-Shariyah by Ibn Muflih Al-Hanbaly)






followers of Jesus are not CHRISTIANS. Give us proof from your Bible. CHRISTIANs are followers of Paul. Nassara (Israelites) are followers of Jesus.

SharonLoveth:
if you read and understand the Qur'an, you won't be displaying ignorance about the divinity of Jesus.

1. Qur'an tells you that Jesus is the Word of God

2. Quran also tells you that Jesus is the Spirit (Ruh) from God.

Is your word and your spirit not part of you?


Muhammad was not the spirit of God but he was rather possessed by demons

Sahih Muslim 2814:
Abdullah b. Mas'ud reported that Allah's Messenger ( ﷺ ) said:
There is none amongst you with whom is not an attache from amongst the jinn (devil). They (the Companions) said: Allah's Messenger, with you too? Thereupon he said: Yes, but Allah helps me against him and so I am safe from his hand and he does not command me but for good.[/b] "He will bring justice to the nations of the world" : Even Muslisms agree that Jesus is the one that is comingbback to the world as a just ruler

You're even comparing Jesus to Adam and other human beings. Let me ask you, IS THEIR ANYONE DEAD OR ALIVE been born of a Virgin womb Aside Jesus Christ? IS THEIR ANYONE that ever died, resurrected and alive till today aside Jesus Christ? The answer is NO.

Can you show where it is written that Jesus Christ was created from dust?

You said we cannot see Angels, but Muhammad saw Jibril twice “in the form that he was created” and on other occasions as a man resembling Dihyah ibn Khalifah al-Kalbi"

You are an author of CONFUSION, you lack basic understanding of Quran and ahadith


About the creation of man this is what Qur'an says:

Quran 96:2

“We Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood,”

Quran 15:26

“We created man from sounding clay, from mud molded into shape"

Quran 16:4

“He has created man from a sperm-drop; and behold this same (man) becomes an open disputer"

Quran 3:59

“The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: “Be”. And he was,”

Where did you get your own version of the quran?

You asked who created Mary? What a novice question

Genesis 1:26

Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."


Pls endeavour to read my texts and answer the questions therein as I have answered yours

SharonLoveth:
if you read and understand the Qur'an, you won't be displaying ignorance about the divinity of Jesus.

1. Qur'an tells you that Jesus is the Word of God

2. Quran also tells you that Jesus is the Spirit (Ruh) from God.

Is your word and your spirit not part of you?


Muhammad was not the spirit of God but he was rather possessed by demons

Sahih Muslim 2814:
Abdullah b. Mas'ud reported that Allah's Messenger ( ﷺ ) said:
There is none amongst you with whom is not an attache from amongst the jinn (devil). They (the Companions) said: Allah's Messenger, with you too? Thereupon he said: Yes, but Allah helps me against him and so I am safe from his hand and he does not command me but for good.[/b] "He will bring justice to the nations of the world" : Even Muslisms agree that Jesus is the one that is comingbback to the world as a just ruler

You're even comparing Jesus to Adam and other human beings. Let me ask you, IS THEIR ANYONE DEAD OR ALIVE been born of a Virgin womb Aside Jesus Christ? IS THEIR ANYONE that ever died, resurrected and alive till today aside Jesus Christ? The answer is NO.

Can you show where it is written that Jesus Christ was created from dust?

You said we cannot see Angels, but Muhammad saw Jibril twice “in the form that he was created” and on other occasions as a man resembling Dihyah ibn Khalifah al-Kalbi"

You are an author of CONFUSION, you lack basic understanding of Quran and ahadith


About the creation of man this is what Qur'an says:

Quran 96:2

“We Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood,”

Quran 15:26

“We created man from sounding clay, from mud molded into shape"

Quran 16:4

“He has created man from a sperm-drop; and behold this same (man) becomes an open disputer"

Quran 3:59

“The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: “Be”. And he was,”

Where did you get your own version of the quran?

You asked who created Mary? What a novice question

Genesis 1:26

Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."


Pls endeavour to read my texts and answer the questions therein as I have answered yours

ifiokjohn:
even with the ark of convenent we see a precizs lllustration of a Throne.
So I don't know what you talking about that God doesn't sit on a throne.
Even Jesus Christ said the Earth is God footstool. For someone to have a footstool he must sit on something oga.
He said do not swear by heaven for there is the throne of God.
Jesus himself knows that God has a throne and he said it.
Of all the visions of heaven all prophets has had we see they always talk about a throne and one sitting on it whose face is like lightening etc.

Jesus is greater than John because even John said it . Remember what he told the Pharisees that " Though he baptize with water but one that will come will baptize with fire whose shoe he can not remove.
Who is greater than him) here is John acknowledging even though John is older than Jesus. He acknowledged that Jesus preexisted before him... If so, then it means your quran talk about preexistance as soul is wrong because if soul preexisted as you put it then John and Jesus would have been on same footing/ equality but even John agrees he is by no means equal and even asked Jesus to baptize him instead of him doing the baptism
Tell me which prophet have been talked about like that? None.

Even the Bible passage you brought about King Uzziah death we can see it talked about the prophet seeing the Lord sit on his throne. Is that not all we are saying.
Call it whatever. It was avision about heaven which that prophet saw.
God won't give a prophet a fake vision about heaven...abi would he?

We are told Jesus Christ came to the Earth to die for our salvation...he took flesh and became man.
Jesus had to be man in order to suffer for our sins. He has to feel.the pain man felt, the joy, the anguish.. he has to eat like we do and shit or whatsover in other to be the perfect candidate for that.
One Adam( Human) lost the key of life....the second Adam ( Jesus) had to gain that key back for man salvation.

Jesus has the power to forgive sins.
And he gave that power to his followers, his disciples.
We can see that when he healed the crippled man and ask him to rise and go...ur sins are forgiven.
Remember what the Pharisees said...who is he to forgive sins.
Is he God? Cause only God can.
Remember Jesus reply? It ur assignment...go and check his reply.

He had the power to forgive sins...no prophet, not Moses, not Elijah, not Muhammad not anyone could forgive sins...but Jesus gave those authority to his followers before his departure.
Remember his words " what you lose on Earth has been lose in heaven and what you bound.on Earth has been bound in heaven.
All power in heaven and on Earth has been given to me.... I don't think any prophet have ever been given authority in heaven and on Earth..damn even Muhammad can't even forgive sins.
Because Jesus Christ didn't forgive his crucifiers doesn't mean he can't forgive sins...

What school did you go to again? Cause it suck really..
Haba you more intelligent and matured than this.
We also see Jesus Christ forgiving a thief crucified with him...saying he assure him..he will be in paradise with him.
Humans can only forgive those who wrong them. But Jesus forgave humans for all their sins and not because they wronged him.

Luke28 you read...he said Father forgive them for they know not what they do.
Meanihg he asked his father to forgive them.
He can easily forgive them by himself he wanted too. After all he even told the adultress they wanted to stone to death after he saved her...he said , woman go...ur sins are forgiven.
See him in that instance forgiving a woman who he didn't know and who hasn't wrong him but forgiveing her sins she committed against God and her husband( cheating)

Where did I say we cannot see angels? Have never said that...ever.
Afterall we even see Jecob fight with an angel..we saw balak saw an angel etc.
So I wonder where I said that.

By the way Jesus didn't just see God..he sit besides God.

And by the way...no one has seen God. No one can see God and live.

In the passage you quoted...they saw one sit on a throne who they presume to be God..his face was like lightening.
They never saw his face...if they did..they would have described how God looked like...
..but Jesus Christ has seen God cause he is God son....he is the word of God....

The only way to God doing the period of Moses was through God. Foollow the Commandment of God and you sure of heaven...you didn't need a prophet.

Jesus Christ is coming back to judge everyone. Yes he will judge christians, he will judge the judge, he will judge Muslims everyone.
And his coming back doesn't just show his divinity, he shows his authority ( all power on Earth and in heaven have been given to me)

Jesus Christ even told his disciples they will.judge angels..

Can Muhammad guarantee his followers that? Can he guarantee his followers what will happen to them when the world end? But Jesus Christ guaranteed his own followers
But Jesus Christ is the only way to God now and forever. Jesus Christ th
en wasn't Flesh.

By the way, yes Christians are followers of Jesus.. though I agree alot of Christians ( including me are sinners)

Christ disciples where first called christians in Antioch ....so they carried the name forward till this time. Because alot of Christians are sinning doesn't mean they aren't Christ followers. The true christians are Christ followers.
Christianity isn't a religion bro...it is a Convenent with Christ.

Empiree:
all three na waste of time. Simple question you can't answer. We haven't even got to other stuff you wrote yet.

Word of God
Spirit of God etc are not evidence of divinity of Jesus. Same phrases are used for other humans.


Simpl question is,

Is Jesus God?. Answer is Yes or No ?.

Who created Mary?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lH3Lrz9EwQQ

Empiree:
Word of God
Spirit of God etc are not evidence of divinity of Jesus. Same phrases are used for other humans.

Empiree:
I have explained to you what spirit means. Spirit is something we can not see at anytime. For example, Angels. Angels are spiritual beings.

ThatFairGuy1:
Advocatejare that ran from my questions, is this you

Empiree:
This is blasphemy. If God sits on His throne it means God is restricted. It means He depends on his creation, throne. So if your Bble says God sits on the throne, Bible is faulty. Besides, i will like for you to quote the Bible verse for us to see. Most likely the statement was made by unknown author. Bible is full of Blasphemous statements.



you are just going in cycle here. I think I asked you a simple question before. I also said every human being preexisted and I quoted verses from Quran how every human being made covenant with God but when we come to earth we have no memory. I also said that your unborn children at this moment, where do yo think they are right now?. As for who is greater than who is pretty much irrelevant to muslims. We have been cautioned by Quran to be careful of making distinctions amongst prophet and messangers. The most important thing is, Jesus was a full human being like you and I. The only thing that distinguished him from us is becuase he was a prophet, messanger and strengthened with Ruh Qudus by God.



Just becuase I quote from your ible doesnt mean I take everthing there hook, line and sinker. Bible is full of blasphemous statements. Have ever came across the bool, "Who Wrote The Bible?" by Richard Friedman?. That should open your eyes. Back in 2015 I talked a lot about authors of the Bible. There are so many unknown authors which makes Bible unreliable. God doesnt sit on His throne. Rather, He is above His throne. I quoted Quran to back this up before.



You christian keep shooting yourselves in the foot. first all, I quoted before that "God is not a man" Numbers 23:19. Who are we to believe, you or your Bible?. Second, if he wanted to die for your sin, why then he dried to God on the cross? Matthew 27:45-50

The whole idea of Jesus dying for your sin was idea of Paul not teachings of Jesus. Paul changed Jesus teaching. what Jesus taught was you pray to God for forgiveness of sin not "blood of Jesus". Paul’s rationale is without foundation. His knowledge of “science” was limited to what he knew of Old Testament stories. If one acknowledges the truth of evolution, then one must also acknowledge that Paul’s conclusion, “Jesus Died For Our Sins” is based on a false, Old Testament verse and therefore cannot be true.

Theological Problem I

Paul is the only person in the world to write that Jesus died to redeem you from the sin of Adam and Eve. Jesus never said that his death was to redeem anyone. Is it likely that God would rely on a man whose teachings were diametrically opposite (faith vs works, Gentiles vs Jews) to those of his “Son” to pass on the most important idea in all of Christianity? Is it probable that God would let the salvation of all mankind rest on one man’s single sentence which is entirely opposite to the message Jesus presented in the synoptic gospels? Why would God, all of the sudden, change the message that He sent His "only begotten Son" here to promulgate? And why would he entrust this HUGE change to be disseminated by a mere mortal?

This is a BIG problem.


That line of reasoning aside, exactly how would “God sacrificing Himself to Himself to save Christians from Himself” work? How does that remove the sin of Adam and Eve? It is only by the convoluted thought process of Paul that you are saved because of the God/Jesus “sacrifice”. Surly an omnipotent, omniscient, loving, merciful, just God who created everything in six days could come up with something other than killing himself/his son. How about just declaring forgiveness?. This is mean Bible lied about forgiveness and justice. It is unjust to crucify one man for the sin of mankind. But, for the sake of argument, let’s grant that “Jesus died for our sins”. In that case, then the sin is gone. Why is it required that one has to believe in Jesus’ Resurrection in order to be saved? The sin of Adam and Eve was redeemed with Jesus’ death. It’s gone! It’s no more – ever! Once and for all. It’s off the backs of everyone who lives after Jesus’ death. What then, does believing in Jesus’ Resurrection have to do with being free from original sin? It has already been redeemed. Why are you only “saved” if you believe that Jesus was Resurrected? What does one’s belief have to do with salvation? But that’s another story.



The Credibility of Paul

Because Paul’s “Jesus Died For Your Sins” theology is the centerpiece of Christian doctrine, it is incumbent to investigate Paul’s credibility. There are several reasons to doubt that Paul has any credibility whatsoever.


# Paul has no God given authority to speak. Seeing an apparition does not give one the authority to speak for God.

# At one point, Paul does claim his knowledge comes from “Revelation” but it is faulty and contradicts what Jesus taught (Hebrews 6:1). He does not elaborate on this “Revelation”.

# Paul contradicts himself.

#Paul makes promises of things that did not happen.


There is no such thing as Jesus died for sin of the wrld". The Bible says

"The soul that sinneth, it shall die". Ezekiel 18:20




you see you going in cycle again. cant you people think things out?. This is why Christianity makes no sense. If he can forgive sin, why must he shed his blood to save the world?/ If he wants to forgive he could simply just forgive, isnt?. At the same time you said he is God and also his own creation nailed him on the cross. Please think things out.


WHY COULDN'T GOD SIMPLY JUST FORGIVE THE ISREALITES OR INDIVIDUALS FOR THEIR SINS DOING THE OLD TESTAMENT...WHY MUST HE ASK FOR ANIMAL SACRIFICES. IF YOU CAN ANSWR THAT THEN YOU WILL KNOW THE REASON JESUS HAD TO DIE





Jesus gave them this answer: "Very truly I tell you, the son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does. John 5:19


NOW YOU SEE WHAT WE ARE SAYING THERE...JESUS SEES GOD THAT'S WHY HE SAYS THE SON CAN DO NOTHING EXCEPT WHAT HE SEES THE FATHER DOING.
THATS TO SHOW JESUS EXISTED WITH THE FATHER AND WATCH HIM DO ALOT THINGS AND JESUS IS DOING SAME.



"I can of mine own self do nothing:.." John 5:30

I NEVER TOLD YOU JESUS CAN ON HIS OWN DO ANYTHING. HE CAN ONLY DO SOMETHING BY HIS FATHER.


If Jesus forgive sin, whats the essence of "Thy Lord's prayer"?. He taught the people how to pray and ask for God for forgiveness.

HE TAUGHT THE PEOPLE THAT IN ORDER FOR THEM TO ASK FOR FORGIVENESS FROM GOD WHEN THEY SIN... JESUS CANT BE EVERYWHERE TO TELL EVERYONE YOUR SINS ARE FORGIVEN... THAT PARABLE ALSO IS JESUS EMPHASIING THE NEED FOR THE PEOPLE TO ALSO FORGIVE THOSE WHO WRONG THEM SO GOD CAN FORGIVE THEM THEIR SINS TOO.



Empty talk without evidence


This is Father(God) forgiving them. Anyone can forgive anyone. How is this big deal?. We have seen American Muslim dad whose son was killed and he forgave killer of his son but the law didnt forgive the killer. We have seen Iranian woman whose son was murdered and he forgave the killer and asked Iranian court to forgive her son's killer in the last seconds to execution and the guy was forgiven. Where problem lies is if someone doesn't ask for forgiveness until death, ONLY GOD decides to forgive or punish. No human being can do that not even Jesus. We can only forgive sin we committed against or amongst ourselves.
YES ANYONE CAN FORGIVE SOMEONE WHO WRONG THEM PERSONALLY BUT CAN YOU FORGIVE THE SINS OF ONE WHO DIDNT WRONG YOU BUT ANOTHER PERSON.
CAN I FORGIVE THE SINS OF THE PERSON WHO KILLED THAT AMERICAN MAN SON WHEN IM NOT THE ONE WHOSE SON WAS KILLED?
JESUS FORGAVE THE SINS OF THE ADULTRESS EVEN THOUGH HE WASNT THE ONE THAT WAS CHEATED ON.

WE ALSO SAW HIM FORGIVE THE SINS OF THE CRIBBLED MAN EVEN THOUGH THE CRIBBLED MAN HAS NEVER WRONGED HIM ( TO THE EXTEND EVEN THE PHARISEES ASKED WHO IS HE TO FORGIVE SINS, ONLY GOD CAN.)
DO YOU KMOW MORE THAN THE PHARISEES?





No, Jacob fought and beat up God Genesis 32:28
LOL JECOB FOUGHT AND BEAT UP GOD REALLY? ARE YOU THAT DULL OR WHAT? I WON'T ANSWR TO THIS CAUSE THIS IS WRONG.

his one is boring. You may never uderstand.


Oh yea?. But Jacob seen God and he lived

WHEN THE JECOB SEE GOD ABEG? NOW I KMOW YIU REALLY LACK THE KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE BIBLE TO BE SAYING JECOB SAW GOD. REALLY? JECOB FOUGHT WITH AN ANGEL OF GOD. EVEN THAT PASSAGE SAID AN ANGEL OF GOD VISITED HIM AND THEY WRESTLE TILL MORNING..


"So Jacob called the place Peniel, saying, “It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared.” Genesis 32:300

WELL FOR SEEING AN ANGEL FACE TO FACE...I WONT EXPECT LESS...BUT HE NEVER SAW GOD CAUSE JECOB WAS BUT A MAN HOW THEN CAN HE SEE GOD?



No, he did not. being 'son of God" is not automatic ticket to see him.
BEING SON OF GOD IS MORE THAN AUTOMATIC TICKET. HE ISNT JUST SON OF GOD BUT THE WORD OF GOD. WHICH PROPHET HAVE EVER BEEN CALLED THE WEALTH OF GOD? IT WAS THROUGH JESUS EVERYTHING ON EARTH AND IN HEAVEN WERE CREATED EVEN THE ANGELS.... READ THE BOOK OF REVELATION OGA.



All these are heresies. If he is the judge, how come he will deny you guys?. Matthew 7:23


REALLY? DENY US? WHY WILL HE DENY US? YES ALOT OF CHRISTIANS WONT GO TO HEAVEN BUT SO MANY MORE WILL...SO HOW IS THAT DENYING US?

Guarantee his followers? but he will send them away in Matthew 7:23
HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE FAKE ONES. THERE ARE ALOT OF FAKE PROPHETS PASTORS ETC BUT THEYRE STILL GENUINE ONES THOUGH THEY'RE.NOT MANY BUT THEY AROUND.




prove it from your bible that Christians are followers of Jesus?. Tell us what Jesus do that you do today?. Tell us where Jesus mentioned Christianity or Christian in the Bible?.

JESUS DISCIPLES WERE CALLED CHRISTIANS IN ANTIOCH ....SO IF HIS DISCIPLES WERE CALLED CHRISTIANS. THOSE AT THAT TIME WHO BELIEVED IN HIS DISCIPLES AND FOLLOW THEM WHERE ALSO CALLED CHRISTIANS AND THATS HOW THE NAME STICKED...SO TO THIS DAY..THEYRE CHRISTIANS.

prove this from your Bible. Jesus message didnt reach Antioch His message was restricted to lost sheep of Israel. You are followers of Paul. Show me one practice of Jesus that Christians do?

JESUS WAS RESTRICTED TO THE LOST SHEEP OF ISRAEL BUT HE CHARGED HIS DISCIPLES TO GO TO THE END OF THE EARTH AND PREACH THE GOSPEL. ABI ARE ISREALITES ALSO IN THE ENDS OF THE EARTH TOO?
BEING A FOLLOWER OF PAUL ISNT BAD CAUSE PAUL IS A FOLLOWER OF JESUS ..

REMEMBER AFTER BEING BLIND BY THE LIGHT REMEMBER IT WAS JESUS THAT SENT ONE OF HIS DISCIPLES( ANANIAS) TO HEAL HIM...SO IF JESUS DID SEND HIS DISCIPLE TO HEAL PAUL THEN TRULY PAUL BECAME SAVE AND IS A FOLLOWER OF CHRIST
WE CAN ALSO SEE PAUL WHEN ON A WHPLE.LOT OF MISSIONS WITH DIFFERENT JESUS DISCIPLES LIKE SIMON PETER, LUKE ETC.
IF PAUL WAS FAKE... WON'T THEY HAVE REVEALED HIM?... THINK BRO.

advocatejare:
ANTII.SLAM don't mind that liar. He made a false accusation which i asked him to substantiate and he couldn't. If he does, I'll answer his question.

I'll attach the screenshots of our interactions

[b[So ask him to give me the link to his so called original Gospel[/b]

SharonLoveth:
I don't think you know what you're saying at times; this is what you said about Angels



You gave angels as an example of spiritual beings we can't see, read your posts over and over before pressing submitting button

Empiree:
ain't got time for any analysis. Spirit is a vague word used to describe different unseen entities. Spirit is used for Angels, Jinns, UFOs and for human soul after death. It depends on how it is used and in the context it is used. What is infused (ruh) in the womb of mother during pregnancy was the same spirit of God breathed in Mary that gave life to Jesus(p).

So the question you refused to answer point blank is, Is Jesus God?. If so, who created Mary?

ANTIlSLAM:
ThatFairGuy1 hope you're not on an Airplane mode? Pls give us the link to your own original gospel

ANTIlSLAM:
ThatFairGuy1 hope you're not on an Airplane mode? Pls give us the link to your own original gospel

ifiokjohn:
God sits on a throne and my Bible said that.
You know the problem with you Muslims...anytime what the Bible says do not conform to your believe...your next word will be the Bible is wrong or corrupted.

Now talking about Throne...even Jesus Christ said about throne of God when he was teaching his disciples...about Oath swearing. " He said do not swear to heaven cause there is the throne of God. " Jesus said that not me.

Lol If Humans preexisted in heaven as you said... Let's assume that is true... Then Jesus Christ must be the luckiest soul to have existed doing that time and told to sit besides God while God makes his enemies his footstool.

Now I want to ask... do those souls in heaven have enemies? Who is doing enemity with them?...why will God tell Jesus to sit at his right hand till he makes his enemies his footstool?

That's Psalm110:1. That was David( man after God heart) saying the Lord said to my Lord sit at my right until I make your enemies your footstool.

Now I want to ask you, why will David call a soul "His Lord?"
Quran said David is a Prophet isn't that so? So as a Prophet David saw a vision with God telling Jesus to sit at his Right hand till he makes his enemies his footstool.

Now I think you should really apologize for calling Jesus just a man.. how can King David call ordinary just man' his own Lord? Bro think na.

By the way Yes God is above his Throne...but then what is the essence of making a Throne if you won't sit on it?
What the reasons God made a throne if he won't sit on it...please explain to me.

You keep bringng Paul. Paul wasn't even there when Jesus died.
The book of Mathew, Luke, John clarified that Jesus died and those books where written by Those disciples of Jesus.

Yes I can believe that Jesus died for my sins...now you will say why will Jesus die when God can easily forgive when you ask...I don't have an answer to that

I refer you to the time when people kill animal as an offering to God t forgive thier sins... Now I ask why will God ask them to kill animals when he can just forgive them their sins?

If you have an answer to that then you will have an answer to Jesus dying for our sins.

See a Perfect man( Adam) failed man
Another perfect man( Jesus) had to redeem man.
Back then there was no perfect man. None absolutely was perfect enough like Adam was before his fall so none could redeem man except the son ofGod who agree to come ND die in order to savea Man.

You know if Paul was really a false teacher then Jesus would've told his disciples.

Remember when Paul got blind on his way to Damascus...it was Jesus who told one of his disciples to go to him and heal him cause he has prepare him for a great mission ahead. So I wonder why you people can't think

So I wonder why you will call Paul false teacher.

Yes I agree it unjust to crucify one man for the sins of others...
But nevertheless that was what God wanted.