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Re: The Sack Letter Of Pastors In Winners Chapel Over 'Poor Church Growth' (Photo) by nelsonoba: 9:05am On Jul 19, 2021
richiemcgold:
what does it profit a pastor that cannot generate income and even make a profit. Have they forgotten that christian ministry is now a business entity and the main target of all business is to GENERATE PROFIT?

You can talk like this because you are either illiterate to see there was no mention of money in the letter or you are just an Anti-Christ who clearly hates everything about God.

Even Jesus Christ himself said "he that bears much fruit, my father will prune so that he can bear more. But he that bears no fruit, my father will cut off". The church follows the teachings of Christ, so if a pastor decides not to bear fruit, even the bible says he should be cut off.

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Re: The Sack Letter Of Pastors In Winners Chapel Over 'Poor Church Growth' (Photo) by xpool(m): 9:07am On Jul 19, 2021
phemmyfour:
open your eyes

You are too Dill
Re: The Sack Letter Of Pastors In Winners Chapel Over 'Poor Church Growth' (Photo) by sonofElElyon: 9:07am On Jul 19, 2021
seyz91:
Yea sorry my bad

God bless you
Re: The Sack Letter Of Pastors In Winners Chapel Over 'Poor Church Growth' (Photo) by Fiscus105(m): 9:10am On Jul 19, 2021
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Re: The Sack Letter Of Pastors In Winners Chapel Over 'Poor Church Growth' (Photo) by akdjr(m): 9:10am On Jul 19, 2021
This money making organization is what they have used to destroy Africa according to Fela... An average African is more concern about spiritual things, like how to fight ancestral curses, bad dreams, how to make heaven etc.

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Re: The Sack Letter Of Pastors In Winners Chapel Over 'Poor Church Growth' (Photo) by sangresan(m): 9:11am On Jul 19, 2021
rollywise:
Offering and tithe is a commandment in the bible. If you attend a church at all, you'll probably be attending one beautiful church with good edifice. Those interments, beautiful chairs, the air condition, name them. I guess they were burrowed on a free right? Hypocrite. Do you want me to show you places in the bible where people gave their all? Someone even sold his own land and decided not to give all after intending to give all, he died for that action lol. What gave you given that you feel you have the moral ground to judge?







Tithe is a commandment in the Bible?

Tell us where Paul, Peter, and John paid tithes and to whom?

You people swallow everything your pastors say...

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Re: The Sack Letter Of Pastors In Winners Chapel Over 'Poor Church Growth' (Photo) by LutanFyah: 9:11am On Jul 19, 2021
Ishilove:
This is the reason why I wanted to see the letter before commenting. Church growth index is not the same as 'income generation' or whatever the heck was circulating on the internet.
What is church growth index and how do you measure it?

Do you sack a man called by God or an employee, employed to serve a purpose?

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Re: The Sack Letter Of Pastors In Winners Chapel Over 'Poor Church Growth' (Photo) by VEHINTOLAR: 9:12am On Jul 19, 2021
No matter how desperate some people may want to twist this,the fact is that it is a strange and very sad development. Church should be a succour or a resting place for all troubled souls. But in a situation whereby it is the same church that is creating problems for the same people it is expected to protect - physically and spiritually,then,that becomes a very strange development !

I don't know what Winners Chapel means by "church growth" but I don't think it is enough reason to throw the affected pastors to the biting cold winds of a sudden unemployment. Remember,these pastors have wives,children and other dependants to care and cater for. Did the church consider this and many more before arriving at that decision ? Let's even agree that the "church growth" in that context does not necessarily mean financial growth. Does Winners Chapel expect its pastors to forcefully drag people to the church for soul winning or what exactly ? There is more to this ,definitely !

It is morally and spiritually wrong,very wrong, to run the church like a business empire ! Let's fear God,the church's owner !

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Re: The Sack Letter Of Pastors In Winners Chapel Over 'Poor Church Growth' (Photo) by Nobody: 9:12am On Jul 19, 2021
eRex:
Were the "generating income" part ...

What I see is "growth index"

Una sabi interprete sha...


None the less .... If he "employed" them, he can as well SACK them.... If e pain u.... Employ them yourself....

Or better still they can float their own church...

The best reply that ever liveth.
Re: The Sack Letter Of Pastors In Winners Chapel Over 'Poor Church Growth' (Photo) by Nobody: 9:12am On Jul 19, 2021
rittanie:
I thought been a pastor is a calling..imagine them sack your calling.
grin
Re: The Sack Letter Of Pastors In Winners Chapel Over 'Poor Church Growth' (Photo) by Nobody: 9:13am On Jul 19, 2021
Tareq1105:


Some idiots were on the platform yesterday saying bcuz the pastor was not bringing enough tithes and offerings.

Church growth is critical bcoz that's the essence of the gospel.

Living Faith Church headquarters funds its branches and pay salaries directly.

If you were commissioned last July and a year after, you cannot bost of 10 regular members then you're underperforming.

And again, remember 10,141 pastors were engaged in 2020 and 40 (less than 1%) were disengaged a year after for underperformance, I think it's fair.

The problem I observed here is bcoz it's church and, more so, Oyedepo is involved.


I can see you are a member of LFC.
Don't be deceived, some locations of the churches recently established are not viable. When church leaders were given mandate to establish 10k churches, it got to a time that they engaged estate agents to look for buildings just to meet targets.

I personally know someone engaged in 2019 August. His church attendance at the moment is less than 10 and he was not sacked. He complained that his location is not viable because it is less than 2km to an existing big branch of LFC given that the building used as place of worship is just an obscure shop in the area. They told him they can't change the location because is already documented at the hqtrs.

What I can suggest about the sacked pastor is when income doesn't correlate with attendance. I have a 2019 guy whose attendance is up to 27 but his Sunday income is usually around 600 naira. Even he and wife are suppose to give nothing less than 500 naira on Sunday. But the first guy up there whose attendance is less than 10 in an unviable area gets up to 1k every Sunday.
Re: The Sack Letter Of Pastors In Winners Chapel Over 'Poor Church Growth' (Photo) by kiwi007: 9:13am On Jul 19, 2021
pafra:


You are missing it.

The primary reason for church exist is to win souls then equipped the soul won to win souls. Jesus said church growth is important. "Any branch that does not bear fruit is cut away"

You lack understanding of the bible.

What is" God assignment" his assignment is soul winning.

Please give me a Bible reference where Jesus said that �
Re: The Sack Letter Of Pastors In Winners Chapel Over 'Poor Church Growth' (Photo) by Wickedfact: 9:14am On Jul 19, 2021
AnI77:
So, the LFCWW employs a pastor in August 2020 in the middle of the COVID-19 pandemic, and he heads a church branch somewhere in Benue State - a State where Christians are not protected. This operational base is a place where known killers like Miyetti Allah and Fulani herdsmen are slaughtering people and burning churches on a daily basis, and Christians are regularly attacked. Then, by June 2021, you sack the same pastor for the low "church growth index". Is the LFCWW no longer making decisions based on rational thinking?

Oyedepo has sons who are Pastors. Why didn't he send them to these kinds of parishes? They are in 1st world countries and the only one in Nigeria is in Ota counting offerings. Let him send his sons to Bokkos, Katsina-Ala and Ugep let them see how easy it is.

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Re: The Sack Letter Of Pastors In Winners Chapel Over 'Poor Church Growth' (Photo) by BnQoyyim(m): 9:16am On Jul 19, 2021
blamingthedevil:
Read earlier thread https://www.nairaland.com/6655958/bishop-oyedepo-sacks-40-pastors#103813771

Picture of Sacked Letter of Pastor in Winners Chapel for not generating enough Income

One of the letters reads in part, “Consequent upon the recent performance reviews which revealed that your church growth index falls below expectations.

“Please be informed that your services as a pastor in charge are no longer required from this commission with immediate effect.

“You are to vacate the official accommodation (where applicable) and hand over all properties of the ministry in your custody, including your staff identity card to the area pastor before departure.

“May you find grace for a new beginning. Peace.”

Ministry of Finance
Re: The Sack Letter Of Pastors In Winners Chapel Over 'Poor Church Growth' (Photo) by pacespot(m): 9:16am On Jul 19, 2021
;DSo those pastors were called by God or bishop oyedepo grin

Niaja no go kill person cheesy
Re: The Sack Letter Of Pastors In Winners Chapel Over 'Poor Church Growth' (Photo) by Nobody: 9:17am On Jul 19, 2021
Ishilove:
This is the reason why I wanted to see the letter before commenting. Church growth index is not the same as 'income generation' or whatever the heck was circulating on the internet.
But they’re both intertwined. The bigger the growth the higher the income and vice-versa.
Re: The Sack Letter Of Pastors In Winners Chapel Over 'Poor Church Growth' (Photo) by ApostlePaul14: 9:19am On Jul 19, 2021
oloriooko:
Growth index should include numerical church growth which will translate to financial church growth

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Re: The Sack Letter Of Pastors In Winners Chapel Over 'Poor Church Growth' (Photo) by omonighoblessing(f): 9:19am On Jul 19, 2021
Kobojunkiee:
If this is all about God, why measure this church growth you speak of? undecided

Did God say "church growth" is of importance? Did God assign anyone "kingdom advancement" tasks, assuming here you are referring to God's Kingdom of not Man's kingdom? undecided

What is oyedepo's labour in this? the growing of His kingdom/business here on earth or some assignment that God assigned him in secret? undecided
receive sence and brain in Jesus name.
Re: The Sack Letter Of Pastors In Winners Chapel Over 'Poor Church Growth' (Photo) by hohafrank(m): 9:20am On Jul 19, 2021
Wisdom was not applied in writing this letter of release.Transfer letter where the pastor will be given lesser assignment would have been better and more logical.
Re: The Sack Letter Of Pastors In Winners Chapel Over 'Poor Church Growth' (Photo) by Karleb(m): 9:20am On Jul 19, 2021
Let's leave spirituality aside.

The pastors are actually lazy.

In this Nigeria where most people are unemployed and underemployed, these pastors shouldn't have joked with their jobs.

Populating Winners church is so easy. There are like only one Winners chapel church per community.

I trust RCCG pastors sha. Their churches are always filled up even though another RCCG parish is only 5 minutes walking / driving distance away.

You can call it "CEO branch manager" transactions but these pastors have families to feed.

Dem fuckkk up sha.
Re: The Sack Letter Of Pastors In Winners Chapel Over 'Poor Church Growth' (Photo) by Ishilove: 9:21am On Jul 19, 2021
Viking07:
But they’re both intertwined. The bigger the growth the higher the income and vice-versa.
I'd rather the media factually reported what was communicated in the letter, not report assumptions as fact.
Re: The Sack Letter Of Pastors In Winners Chapel Over 'Poor Church Growth' (Photo) by Oharina(m): 9:22am On Jul 19, 2021
eRex:
Were the "generating income" part ...

What I see is "growth index"

Una sabi interprete sha...


None the less .... If he "employed" them, he can as well SACK them.... If e pain u.... Employ them yourself....

Or better still they can float their own church...

Oga growth of the branch members means growth of income generated. Common sense.

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Re: The Sack Letter Of Pastors In Winners Chapel Over 'Poor Church Growth' (Photo) by DEEKAH7(m): 9:22am On Jul 19, 2021
eRex:
Were the "generating income" part ...

What I see is "growth index"

Una sabi interprete sha...


None the less .... If he "employed" them, he can as well SACK them.... If e pain u.... Employ them yourself....

Or better still they can float their own church...


My Broda, Growth Index is proportional to Generating Income nah...there is a positive correlation between them.

If there are 20 people in a church today and next week the attendance increases to 40, u will agree with me that the "Offering time" will be a glorious one for the pastor and branch..

No dey defend dis people, THE CHURCH IS A BUSINESS ORGANIZATION.
No dey carry am for head ooo
Re: The Sack Letter Of Pastors In Winners Chapel Over 'Poor Church Growth' (Photo) by rollywise(m): 9:22am On Jul 19, 2021
Malachi 3:10
Proverbs 3:9-10
Proverbs 11:24
Please read them carefully



sangresan:



Tithe is a commandment in the Bible?

Tell us where Paul, Peter, and John paid tithes and to whom?

You people swallow everything your pastors say...
Re: The Sack Letter Of Pastors In Winners Chapel Over 'Poor Church Growth' (Photo) by faceland: 9:25am On Jul 19, 2021
eRex:
Were the "generating income" part ...

What I see is "growth index"

Una sabi interprete sha...


None the less .... If he "employed" them, he can as well SACK them.... If e pain u.... Employ them yourself....

Or better still they can float their own church...


They were sacked! They didn't even demote them, they remove the so called "calling of God" from them.
Re: The Sack Letter Of Pastors In Winners Chapel Over 'Poor Church Growth' (Photo) by DWJOBScom(m): 9:25am On Jul 19, 2021
eRex:
Were the "generating income" part ...

What I see is "growth index"

Una sabi interprete sha...


None the less .... If he "employed" them, he can as well SACK them.... If e pain u.... Employ them yourself....

Or better still they can float their own church...


My brother the interpreters eh
They tire me
They are so ruthless and horrible
Re: The Sack Letter Of Pastors In Winners Chapel Over 'Poor Church Growth' (Photo) by sowilli: 9:25am On Jul 19, 2021
blamingthedevil:
Read earlier thread https://www.nairaland.com/6655958/bishop-oyedepo-sacks-40-pastors#103813771

Picture of Sacked Letter of Pastor in Winners Chapel for not generating enough Income

One of the letters reads in part, “Consequent upon the recent performance reviews which revealed that your church growth index falls below expectations.

“Please be informed that your services as a pastor in charge are no longer required from this commission with immediate effect.

“You are to vacate the official accommodation (where applicable) and hand over all properties of the ministry in your custody, including your staff identity card to the area pastor before departure.

“May you find grace for a new beginning. Peace.”
he should share his appointment letter. A number of Nigerians do not possess the mental capacity to engage in a debate/ argument. I guess perhaps why our judiciary is not strong enough.
Re: The Sack Letter Of Pastors In Winners Chapel Over 'Poor Church Growth' (Photo) by funmise007(m): 9:26am On Jul 19, 2021
My opinion is that church can sack them cos most sacked were not called by God but trained by the church and if they had followed the church laiddown principles their parish or zone will grow. .buh some just see that opportunity to milk d church adding little or nothing to the development....abi when church pays them salary,give them house,pay for their children school and yet they relax and there are new convert with zeal and passion for God.abeg what do yu expect....well naa my opinion anyways buh that's the simple truth
Re: The Sack Letter Of Pastors In Winners Chapel Over 'Poor Church Growth' (Photo) by lovebishop(m): 9:26am On Jul 19, 2021
Legendrysailor:


grin grin grin grin grin grin grin
IN THE COMMISSION, ITS NOT A CALLING, PER SE... ONCE YOU HAVE A GOOD DEGREE (BSc/Masters, etc), and you've done all the Bible School and Certificate courses, and you're articulate and active in the church activities, homecell groups, etc , with a good reputation to boot... Nwanne, if you submit CV, they'll give you the job. That's why it's a salaried job.
It is the General Overseer that has the calling and vision. The pastors who submit CV and get employed,are only ENLISTED INTO THE VISION...
Re: The Sack Letter Of Pastors In Winners Chapel Over 'Poor Church Growth' (Photo) by sowilli: 9:28am On Jul 19, 2021
faceland:


They were sacked! They didn't even demote them, they remove the so called "calling of God" from them.
the calling of God is not put by s man. Go into the world and bear fruit. God gave that command. Man only gives the platform through churches. If a man removes you from his platform i.e church, fikd another church or better still start your own platform. There are people spreading the gospel today without having churches. There are gospel singers, Organisations which help. Find one that will help your calling, you dont have to be a pastor or serve under Oyedepo. Association no be by force na. Una too get entitlement mentality for Nigeria.

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Re: The Sack Letter Of Pastors In Winners Chapel Over 'Poor Church Growth' (Photo) by jaymichael(m): 9:29am On Jul 19, 2021
Ishilove:
This is the reason why I wanted to see the letter before commenting. Church growth index is not the same as 'income generation' or whatever the heck was circulating on the internet.
What was circulating in the media was based on the interview the 'pastor' granted. He went to meet the state pastor concerning the sacked letter and he was told that his branch was running at a loss as the income generated cannot sustain the branch and the church running at a loss isn't acceptable. The pastor said he is being paid #40,000 monthly as contained in his employment letter. He wasn't the only one sacked. The "church growth index" was really about low income generated.
Re: The Sack Letter Of Pastors In Winners Chapel Over 'Poor Church Growth' (Photo) by kiwi007: 9:29am On Jul 19, 2021
rollywise:
Malachi 3:10
Proverbs 3:9-10
Proverbs 11:24
Please read them carefully



He is asking for Peter Paul etc not old testament. If you're to go which old testament then you will have to talk about where Abraham give 10% of everything he had not 10% of his monthly income. And also remember that a Malachi God was actually talking about pastors that doesn't have inheritance among the Israelites that means they don't have house they don't have sheep and also farmland these things were actually the things that bring about good leaving then

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