But, what if they give them a second chance?

Babalom70:
I have pastored church. When they say church growth , they mean numerical growth and you know numerical growth is synonymous to financial growth .it's when when you have more members that you have more money even though they are not genuinely saved .

The reason they sack the pastor is because enough money is not being generated ... They will not tell you directly . They will say church growth . But the truth is that the reason is money . If their not enough money , how will they pay the pastor?

If you have really pastored a church as you claimed,with which reasources did you run the affairs of the church,did you use your personal reasources or the one thrown by God from heaven.
Growth of a church is all encompassing,it affects,all the stakeholders, pastor's, members and the larger society.

blamingthedevil:


Read the letter painstakingly:

One of the letters reads in part, “Consequent upon the recent performance reviews which revealed that your church growth index falls below expectations.

“Please be informed that your services as a pastor in charge are no longer required from this commission with immediate effect.

“You are to vacate the official accommodation (where applicable) and hand over all properties of the ministry in your custody, including your staff identity card to the area pastor before departure.

“May you find grace for a new beginning. Peace.”[color=#990000][/color]

So, they strip him of his "pastor-in-chargehood", his accommodation, in fact, of "all properties ... including your STAFF identity card" (caps mine), thereby degrading him to an ordinary congregant, like any other non-pastor member, and you say he is still a pastor there! Well, maybe he is still a pastor, but definitely not there anymore. Mind you, he has been wished "grace for a new beginning", and trust me, that new beginning, you and I know, is not at the same venue. In short, the guy has failed to meet the target. To paraphrase it, he has been summarily sacked, as a consequence. It's like in the banking sector, jor. We know all these things.

Ishilove:

No significant increase in membership

Oh so my earlier assumption about it was right after all.

No significant increase in membership. It explains itself. Low member turn out mean low amount of tithe, offering, sowing of seed and the likes, in other words, the higher the amount of church members, the higher the amount of money the church gets.

I guess this is why the amount of Winners Chapel members I see around doing evangelism and sharing flyers have been on the increase lately, some will even start threatening you and telling you you'll go to Hell, especially when they meet you in a place they feel is a haven for sinners.

richmond500:
find any house on the rock church and make sure u attend the 5:30 Sunday service

U will thank me, even if u don't like church like me, u will enjoy this one

are they sharing money there to their members

Ceenachi:
Read the letter well, it didnt say money, but church growth. May be members have been leaving or the church hasn't been growing which means, they don't go out for evangelism and do kingdom advancement prayers.
They didnt sack them cause of money but for church growth.
I'm not a member of winners but read the letter very well before concluding and say its cause of money

Oyedopo grew d church and should not keep idiots in d name of pastors to destroy his labour in d vein yard of God.

If u are pastor in Assemblies of God they will give u demotional transfer .

If u must be a pastor preach to ur family members and people in ur street gradually u will have a congregation again

U call them idiots, now the can't raise money,Nah bank work?,abi COVID no reach your side, if this is true no difference between what access bank did and what Winners has just done, all Nah business

HedwigesMaduro:


The function of the church is not to win souls. It is to preach the gospel, and feed the souls that God brings to the church. The winning of souls part is don't by God Himself.

You are talking nonsense.

blamingthedevil:

Interpret "growth index" for us

Growth index could mean church growth, church attendance, statistics of new converts and new workers

eRex:
Were the "generating income" part ...

What I see is "growth index"

Una sabi interprete sha...


None the less .... If he "employed" them, he can as well SACK them.... If e pain u.... Employ them yourself....

Or better still they can float their own church...

like someone said, interpret growth index for us, or is your head not able to interpret that too?
does it really matter if thry have 1 or 2 persons inside the very church, their sole duty isnt it to preach the word of God no matter the number of people

sisisioge:


I thought it's a non profit organisation. I thought the houses were built with church members tithe and offerings hence no one is expecting returns on investment. I thought the idea is to continue to pray for improvement as members will not be dragged from their homes to attend or hands will not be dipped into attendees pockets especially silly in the hash economy.....my bad. No vex.

I don't like how they were dismissed, however, when we go to work, we must evaluate if we are solving the problem we were hired to solve. How can you be living in a house paid by an organization and you didn't enquire if the person paying has a ROI?

They can't even start their own church because they lack the skills to draw people.

The letter is fake ,
No stamp and signature .

rittanie:
I thought been a pastor is a calling..imagine them sack your calling.

Welcome to Nigeria.

ELKHALIFAISIS:
are they sharing money there to their members

lolz, just attend and thank me later.

skuribeebo:
The letter is fake ,
No stamp and signature .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmZkEnIRDkA

rittanie:
I thought been a pastor is a calling..imagine them sack your calling.

Underrated comment of the day

richmond500:
let me tell u, church does not have number of people who attends daily, Oyedepo didn't even know where the church was, he looks at the money which the branch and district generates

How do you know all this?
Please remember during church service people are usually counted with this anyone can estimate the number of people that attends the church

Niorte:
Excuse me, where did you see inability to generate income in the letter....

Church growth index was written there.

If you are a pastor and you cannot win 50 souls per year, then you probably don't carry grace or anointing.

Enough of being paid for work not done.

The work of the father require haste.

If you are working in a regular company and you do not meet target, will the company still keep you?

Church growth index includes, increase in church attendance, increase number of new workers while retaining the old, increase number of ministers, and also increase number of new converts. If this certainly increase, then tithes and offering will also increase...but tithes and offering are not the main reason or target.

If you are an employer, you must set target for your employees...it is on that basis that you can evaluate them....call it KPI.

Remember he who hires you can fire you.

Give God your best service.

Is a Pastor called by God or employed by a CEO?


Is the growth of the church dependent on the activities of a Pastor or the leading of the Holy spirit?


What is the difference between what you listed here as the indices to measure "church growth " and the job description of a marketing manager?

adedam23:


Growth index could mean church growth, church attendance, statistics of new converts and new workers

Is it the Pastor or Holy spirit that converts a sinner?

Ceenachi:
Read the letter well, it didnt say money, but church growth. May be members have been leaving or the church hasn't been growing which means, they don't go out for evangelism and do kingdom advancement prayers.
They didnt sack them cause of money but for church growth.
I'm not a member of winners but read the letter very well before concluding and say its cause of money

Oyedopo grew d church and should not keep idiots in d name of pastors to destroy his labour in d vein yard of God.

If u are pastor in Assemblies of God they will give u demotional transfer .

If u must be a pastor preach to ur family members and people in ur street gradually u will have a congregation again

Bro, all these won't hold water. You and I know the church has deeped itself in sh*t.

It is the Holy Spirit that draws people. Not man or daddy oyedep.

Things have turned mechanical now in our nigrrian church.

Its glaring that what we're doing is totally different from what we used to know....

A bit here : going by the way a person should be made a pastor (which of course follow a process known to us who are believers ) how come it is possible such person "fails" in that calling ??

We have designed our own way of ordination and faith. We have chosen our paths. We keep preaching and writing books but the wine has finished.

We keep dancing but the wine is finished. And wheve not seen it cos we're seeing water.......


The Holy Spirit cannot make a wrong choice. This is something we ought to sit and reflect and not arguing with unbelievers.

The Nigerian church is in deep shit. We should just stop deceving ourselves.

[quote author=eRex post=103844664]Were the "generating income" part ...

What I see is "growth index"

Una sabi interprete sha...


None the less .... If he "employed" them, he can as well SACK them.... If e pain u.... Employ them yourself....

Or better still they can float their own church...

Growth index, performance index all talks about people and money....If a company is lacking or losing its customers or client; it equally means that company is not making enough profit or running at loss. Money is in the hand of people. NO CHURCH MEMBERS, NO OFFERINGS AND TITHES TO REMIT.

In the first place, what was the modality (ies) involved in choosing a pastor ??

This is the question we believers seem to not know its essence. . . and a calling would turn out to be a "failure"

Is that it ?

Its either we didn't know what a calking is or we denying the obvious and any of which it is unfortunate.

These sacked ones were never called!

eRex:
Were the "generating income" part ...

What I see is "growth index"

Una sabi interprete sha...


None the less .... If he "employed" them, he can as well SACK them.... If e pain u.... Employ them yourself....

Or better still they can float their own church...

A painful part of being Nigerian is our stark inability to deduce from available fact - but issokay.. a very common trait among christians -wetin consan me.. make dem enter job market or better yet yahoo-yahoo since dem dey use to am already

E choke!

rittanie:
I thought been a pastor is a calling..imagine them sack your calling.

Religion isn’t Christianity. Why should a pastor be paid salary for his services? Is it a job? A career? Or is it actually a calling?

I don’t know where they got this modern Christianity model with paid Pastors. Definitely not in the Bible.

Pastors can/should be taken care of bt it shouldn’t be on salary, employment and even promotion level. U hear things like senior pastor, GO and all that I don’t know where all this came from.

Henrydonland:
That is why I don't carry church on my head, I'd rather pray in my house.

You are wrong bro

God says, we should not forget the assembly of our brethren.

rittanie:
I thought been a pastor is a calling..imagine them sack your calling.

You well so, abeg don't kill me with laughter na

blamingthedevil:

Interpret "growth index" for us

Growth index = Absolute Change / Original Value

And absolute change = New Value - Original Value .

Converting to percentage therefore will be

Percentage Change = Growth rate * 100

The sack nincompoop is an idiot. People are sacked from jobs every day. He has been sacked from the business enterprise. He should go and look for another work and stop crying around like bush-baby. Who doesn't know that church business is big business in Nigeria or is the sacked idiot trying to tell us that God called him? No, unemployment in the country caled him.