kingxsamz:


Wow, so not "all men will hear the gospel"?
What happened to "the violent taketh it by force"? Why are they closing the churches, why didn't they use prayers to win them over? Like how Moses was able to free the people of Israelites?
Besides, I mentioned Iran, Iraq, Pakistan and Afghanistan. Will the Chidren in those countries now go to hell because their government didn't want the gospel preached to them? Ha a!

You are so right. I came to Canada, I said mak I try if it is different, same thing...I just bone.

Sammy07:

Go ye into the nation, and spread the gospel baptizing them in the name of the father, the son and holy spirit and teach them all I have commanded u. Etc.....


If you don't have comprehension issues, you should understand What God meant by this

I know what Jesus Christ commands, what I don't know is how you interpret "Spread the Gospel..." into win souls. Help me out here.

What amount of offering and tithe will a pastor in a remote village in Ekiti State bring to the table except souls to the kingdom of God. Even at this he failed. His attitude after been sacked shows he is not fit to be a pastor in the first place.

Kobojunkie:
But God never asked anyone to win souls for Him. The soul He is more interested in is your own and what He commands of you is obedience of His commandments in order that you may have works of righteousness , the fruit of obedience He demands from all those who belong to Him.

He that winneth soul is wise.
Prov 11:30

Well thought defence so the business will not fail.

paxonel:
If that is the basis for the sack then it is justified. You can't abandon your primary duty to pursue something else and at the same time expect growth.

The truth is that the pastor who ran to the media is cunning. There are many new winners branches opened today and not all have enough members, so if it is about offering or tithe, thousands would have been sacked.

I am always skeptical of people who run to social media to cry about their personal stuff.

If the pastor is a good christian, he would have been worried about what his actions would draw towards the body of Christ in the first place.

Also, most if these young graduates are using the unemployment problem in this country as a means to apply as pastors in LFC because they know that the church pays your rent and gives you monthly stipend. Many of then woukd never have been pastors if they had jobs in the first place, this is why they are unproductive or passionate about their tasks.

Presij12:

He that winneth soul is wise.
Prov 11:30

I see where that particular idea comes from.

But exactly how does the writer in proverbs explain this winning of souls and how does it translate to the commandments given by Jesus Christ in His New Covenant Law that we go and preach the Gospel of the Kingdom of God to the world?

Confirm! You said it all

Don't mind those mumus jawe trying to justify nonsense

Which souls are they winning? Mtcheww

Its a simple maths, more souls(church member) more money(tithe and offering) no two ways about it

kingxsamz:

All these one na lame excuses nobody is ready to read. Christians will say "where two or three are gathered, the lord is there" but na still their pastors dey vex say people no plenty for church, even though there are at least 3 churches in every street. There are more Christians in this country and they're still looking for more. They say they want to win souls, but the souls they want to win have already been won by another church.
So basically, what they're doing is trying to win members from other churches. And more members guarantees massive weekly income.
Na who do advert pass they usually sell, that's why their daddy GO is angry and sacking pastors anyhow because the pastors no get sweet mouth to cajole people to come and buy the market they're selling.
Anybody that says this isn't about tithe and offering is just lying to himself, so ya'll keep crying.

There's no explanation on Earth that can change my opinion of oyedepo and his business organization. He's nothing more than a con man and an arrogant crook

Kobojunkie:
I know what Jesus Christ commands, what I don't know is how you interpret "Spread the Gospel..." into win souls. Help me out here.

Spreads the gospel is to tell people about God.

If any of them Accepts the gospel and repent from his old ways, then you've win soul for God.

Hope you understand?

Story story story. Those pastors were unjustly sacked. No queries and no conference. Even in the corporate setting the release process was thoroughly flawed. That was why it generated unnecessary backlash. How can you release someone without explaining to the person why he was sacked? Of course , if the pastor is found wanting, he has to be released after he has been warned to redirect his steps.
All I see is CEO sacked Branch Manager for poor returns. Qed

HigherEd:


https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2484752211668635&id=444807728996437

Kobojunkie:
But God never asked anyone to win souls for Him. The soul He is more interested in is your own and what He commands of you is obedience of His commandments in order that you may have works of righteousness , the fruit of obedience He demands from all those who belong to Him.

U are not a born again Christian , so don't know what it is to be a Christian.
Matt 28 says Go ye into d world nd preach d gospel to all nations...
God has given all born again Christian d ministry of reconciliations... reconciliating d world back to him.
U are not a Christian nd born again at all.

Your first sentence shows how dumb the hold write up will be no matter the scripture you use to back up this nonsense. They'll stay in their house and repent abi..nonsense.

jesusjnr2020:
It's a shame but not a surprise that a senior pastor of winner's chapel doesn't know what it mean to bear fruits in the Kingdom sense of the phrase, how much more those who they lead?

Even John the baptist of the Law and the prophets knew what it meant to bear fruits. He said to the Pharisees:

Luke 3:8-9 (KJV)

Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

So the fruits in question are the good fruits (proof) of true repentance, in other words, evidence to show that one has truly repented, hence it's if one doesn't have such evidence or the good fruits (proof) of true repentance that the axe would be laid to the root of that tree to bring it down and it would be cast into the fire, which is an illustration of eternal damnation.

But what are these good fruits one needs to bear so as not to suffer such a fate?

Luke 3:10-14 (KJV)

And the people asked him, saying, What shall we do then?
He answereth and saith unto them, He that hath two coats, let him impart to him that hath none; and he that hath meat, let him do likewise.
Then came also publicans to be baptized, and said unto him, Master, what shall we do?
And he said unto them, Exact no more than that which is appointed you.
And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages.

So according to John the Baptist, it has to do with the works of righteousness and obedience of God's Word.

This aligned with Christ's parable of the sower where the seed which is the Word of God is sown into people's heart, and it's when they keep the Word that they are said to have borne fruits.

Luke 8:11 (KJV)

Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.

Luke 8:15 (KJV)

But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.

So as you can see, bearing fruits had nothing to do with growth of church membership but the spiritual growth of an individual, which is evidenced by the works of righteousness and obedience of God's Word.

Hence one can still be having strong church membership growth and yet not be bearing fruits according to what it actually means to bear fruits, because the person is a worker of iniquity and not keeping God's Word.

That's how the axe was yet laid to the roots of the trees of those many anointed ministers and Christians who worked of iniquity Jesus spoke about, despite that their church membership would have grown tremendously because of the signs and wonders that followed them, because to bear fruits means keep the Word of God and that they didn't do.

God bless.

obonujoker:
Instead if sacking, they should have been transfered to another branch

To go and wreck it abi? Do yhu think he hasn't been given enough chance to prove his diligence?

Well, if yhu are so touched and concerned for the sacked pastor, kindly employ him to run yhur business, that is, if yhu even have any

Meanwhile, over 17,000 pastors are still employed and doing well. Do yhu still have anything to say?

Church na business Abi una no hear say Muslim build church and employ christian to be a pastor in it

kingxsamz:

All these one na lame excuses nobody is ready to read. Christians will say "where two or three are gathered, the lord is there" but na still their pastors dey vex say people no plenty for church, even though there are at least 3 churches in every street. There are more Christians in this country and they're still looking for more. They say they want to win souls, but the souls they want to win have already been won by another church.
So basically, what they're doing is trying to win members from other churches. And more members guarantees massive weekly income.
Na who do advert pass they usually sell, that's why their daddy GO is angry and sacking pastors anyhow because the pastors no get sweet mouth to cajole people to come and buy the market they're selling.
Anybody that says this isn't about tithe and offering is just lying to himself, so ya'll keep crying.

It's not hard to see that you are an enemy of the church. The commission of Jesus Christ to the church is to reach out to the whole world.

For your information, tens and tens of millions of people in Nigeria are yet unreached with the gospel of Jesus Christ. The job of any church is to reach these unreached with the gospel and get them born again!

You know that you aren't concerned about the sacked pastors. You are just bitter against the church. If the news had been that Winners hired pastors (and not sacked), you definitely wouldn't still have had something good to say.

Sammy07:

Spreads the gospel is to tell people about God.

If any of them Accepts the gospel and repent from his old ways, then you've win soul for God.

Hope you understand?

Did God tell you that or do you simply imagine that the case?

Cause the same Jesus Christ tells you in so many ways that many of those who will enter into His Kingdom will enter through the broad gate that leads to Hell/destruction whereas only a few will enter in through th narrow gate that leads to Heaven - Matthew 7 vs 13 - 14

In Matthew 13 vs 47 - 52, Jesus Christ told us the Parable of the fishing net explaining that many of those who will be caught in the net will be thrown away. So, where does this idea that you "win souls for God" really come from?

Supreme01:
Your first sentence shows how dumb the hold write up will be no matter the scripture you use to back up this nonsense. They'll stay in their house and repent abi..nonsense.

Lol!

The Truth pain am.

I have said mine, so feel free to say yours.

This is still no excuse!
Is it that LFC just randomly pick to be a pastor without leading from the Holy Spirit?
LFC & RCCG are the same, they just pick anyone to be pastor as long as it doesn't affect their own remittance
They don't even care if the person just did all the bible college for his or her own selfish interest.

TimeTraveller:
Churches need to dey explain themselves to the public sometimes o!
I know say scam full Nigerian churches, but that wan no mean say everybody must get opinion.
When GTB or Dangote sack people dem dey explain to una?
Na so una dey also chook mouth for church finance. Nobody ask you to pay offering or tithe, keep ya miserable money.

E neva reach fight my brother. If everyone can agree that church is a business venture, nobody will criticize them if they sack 500 pastors. It's just funny how you people don't want to call it a business but still do stuff like this. What'd you expect? People will talk na.

Tobechuckwu:


U are not a born again Christian , so don't know what it is to be a Christian.
Matt 28 says Go ye into d world nd preach d gospel to all nations...
God has given all born again Christian d ministry of reconciliations... reconciliating d world back to him.
U are not a Christian nd born again at all.

I know what Jesus Christ commands, what I don't know is how you interpret "Spread the Gospel..." into win souls. Help me out here.

kingxsamz:

All these one na lame excuses nobody is ready to read. Christians will say "where two or three are gathered, the lord is there" but na still their pastors dey vex say people no plenty for church, even though there are at least 3 churches in every street. There are more Christians in this country and they're still looking for more. They say they want to win souls, but the souls they want to win have already been won by another church.
So basically, what they're doing is trying to win members from other churches. And more members guarantees massive weekly income.
Na who do advert pass they usually sell, that's why their daddy GO is angry and sacking pastors anyhow because the pastors no get sweet mouth to cajole people to come and buy the market they're selling.
Anybody that says this isn't about tithe and offering is just lying to himself, so ya'll keep crying.

they've not done enough.

if they are, we won't be having herdsmen, bh, kidnappers, ritualist, bandits etc.

they all are running after ready saved souls rather than the lost and not yet saved soul. I've not been in church for two years plus now not even a call at my place to know the reason.

yet there is a home fellowship centre at my residence. I still do submit report, though I'm for living faith but one of the strong and leading Pentecostals church.

I plan returning to church soon because I don't attend church because of anyone but Jesus, my salvation and making heaven.

damosky12:


It's not hard to see that you are an enemy of the church. The commission of Jesus Christ to the church is to reach out to the whole world.

For your information, tens and tens of millions of people in Nigeria are yet unreached with the gospel of Jesus Christ. The job of any church is to reach these unreached with the gospel and get them born again!

You know that you aren't concerned about the sacked pastors. You are just bitter against the church. If the news had been that Winners hired pastors (and not sacked), you definitely wouldn't still have had something good to say.

You're right. I don't care about the pastor who got sacked because he's just like his daddy GO, only that he hasn't opened his own branch.
And who are the tens of millions of people, shey church neva too much for this country? Or is there anyone who hasn't seen church in Nigeria before? Nawa.

kingxsamz:


Wow, so not "all men will hear the gospel"?
What happened to "the violent taketh it by force"? Why are they closing the churches, why didn't they use prayers to win them over? Like how Moses was able to free the people of Israelites?
Besides, I mentioned Iran, Iraq, Pakistan and Afghanistan. Will the Chidren in those countries now go to hell because their government didn't want the gospel preached to them? Haba!

There is time for everything. Their set time to be free from bondage will come soon.


Where the Israelites not in slavery in Egypt for 400years before God used Moses to free them?

Who else saw when he said 40k salary and free housing? A church of billions paying pastors 40k

SEGLIZ:

they've not done enough.

if they are, we won't be having herdsmen, bh, kidnappers, ritualist, bandits etc.

they all are running after ready saved souls rather than the lost and not yet saved soul. I've not been in church for two years plus now not even a call at my place to know the reason.

yet there is a home fellowship centre at my residence. I still do submit report, though I'm for living faith but one of the strong and leading Pentecostals church.

I plan returning to church soon because I don't attend church because of anyone but Jesus.

Jesus Christ neither in your churches nor did He command them. How can Jesus Christ be in that which He declared was against Him - Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14

Oga shut up jor. All men must hear doesn't mean all men just receive. Jesus said if they don't receive, dust your feet and leave. So please shut up!

kingxsamz:


Wow, so not "all men will hear the gospel"?
What happened to "the violent taketh it by force"? Why are they closing the churches, why didn't they use prayers to win them over? Like how Moses was able to free the people of Israelites?
Besides, I mentioned Iran, Iraq, Pakistan and Afghanistan. Will the Chidren in those countries now go to hell because their government didn't want the gospel preached to them? Haba!

Deceptive title, plus the content is trying to allege a reason for the sack by cohorting a different story about something another Pastor did in Living Faith in a different State.

If you call yourself a Christian and want to counter someone, why bring a misleading title stating ‘why winner Pastor was sacked’ and then go to narrate what happened to a different Pastor?

You clearly don’t know the facts in this particular case and until you do, it is better to shut the fvck up!

Kobojunkie:
Did God tell you that or do you simply imagine that the case?

Cause the same Jesus Christ tells you in so many ways that many of those who will enter into His Kingdom will enter through the broad gate that leads to Hell/destruction whereas only a few will enter in through th narrow gate that leads to Heaven - Matthew 7 vs 13 - 14

In Matthew 13 vs 47 - 52, Jesus Christ told us the Parable of the fishing net explaining that many of those who will be caught in the net will be thrown away. So, where does this idea that you "win souls for God" really come from?

Then what is the essence of Spreading the gospel.

U now Blame it on Absenteeism..

But Dats what you get when You employ Young , Half-Baked and Unscrupulous Individuals as Pastors.

Some after 6-7months of One Programme like dat (Is it not WOFBI), Dey are Made Pastors..

One of my Guy in d University who Sabi steal Departmental funds, Arrange babes for Lecturers, etc..Is now a Winners Pastor..

D Day I see am dey Preach in his Church, I Shock no be small.

jesusjnr2020:
It's a shame but not a surprise that a senior pastor of winner's chapel doesn't know what it mean to bear fruits in the Kingdom sense of the phrase, how much more those who they lead?

Even John the baptist of the Law and the prophets knew what it meant to bear fruits. He said to the Pharisees:

Luke 3:8-9 (KJV)

Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

So the fruits in question are the good fruits (proof) of true repentance, in other words, evidence to show that one has truly repented, hence it's if one doesn't have such evidence or the good fruits (proof) of true repentance that the axe would be laid to the root of that tree to bring it down and it would be cast into the fire, which is an illustration of eternal damnation.

But what are these good fruits one needs to bear so as not to suffer such a fate?

Luke 3:10-14 (KJV)

And the people asked him, saying, What shall we do then?
He answereth and saith unto them, He that hath two coats, let him impart to him that hath none; and he that hath meat, let him do likewise.
Then came also publicans to be baptized, and said unto him, Master, what shall we do?
And he said unto them, Exact no more than that which is appointed you.
And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages.

So according to John the Baptist, it has to do with the works of righteousness and obedience of God's Word.

This aligned with Christ's parable of the sower where the seed which is the Word of God is sown into people's heart, and it's when they keep the Word that they are said to have borne fruits.

Luke 8:11 (KJV)

Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.

Luke 8:15 (KJV)

But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.

So as you can see, bearing fruits had nothing to do with growth of church membership but the spiritual growth of an individual, which is evidenced by the works of righteousness and obedience of God's Word.

Hence one can still be having strong church membership growth and yet not be bearing fruits according to what it actually means to bear fruits, because the person is a worker of iniquity and not keeping God's Word.

That's how the axe was yet laid to the roots of the trees of those many anointed ministers and Christians who worked of iniquity Jesus spoke about, despite that their church membership would have grown tremendously because of the signs and wonders that followed them, because to bear fruits means keep the Word of God and that they didn't do.

God bless.

You're just being ignorant.

There are two types of fruits in the Bible. The fruits Jesus was talking about in John 3 is related to salvation - Bringing people into the kingdom. While the fruits John was talking about are spiritual fruits which are the outcome of true repentance as in Galatians 5 - also called fruits of the Spirit.

We as humans beings can only bear fruits by bringing as many people as we can into the church. Out of those we bring, some would enter into the kingdom. However, the matter of true repentance and bearing the fruits of the Spirit isn't the work of man. This is the work of the Holy Spirit plus the cooperation of the individual concerned.

So, we're told to go into the highways and all places to bring the masses in, "that they may know Him the Only true God, and Jesus Christ whom He has sent."

Sammy07:

Then what is the essence of Spreading the gospel.

Obedience - the very essence of even all the other laws that are given us by Jesus Christ, the New Covenant Law inthe Kingdom of God.

What we are called to doing in Jesus Christ is one thing and one thing only, and that is continual submission and obedience of the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ, that is how we attain righteousness by which we will be judged in the end - Mattthew 25 vs 31 - 46 .

Any other focus is a distraction from that which we are called for and Jesus Christ made this more than clear to each one of us.