Romanoff:

https://www.christianity.com/jesus/early-church-history/great-commission/the-great-commission-is-the-great-command.html

Take a look at this study and let's discuss further after you're done.

I actually learned of the great commission in secondary school CRK and then Sunday School.

Take a look at that study and see where either of us is getting it wrong.

Even that very study is one of the many doctrines and traditions of men that Jesus Christ warned as nothing but lies where the Truth of God is concerned.

All Jesus Christ did was give us comandments/rules and ask that we obey Him. He also instructed us against adding our own ideas and twist to what He says.

Judolisco:
u did not answer my question.. At that time there was only one church... D disciples were still 2geda... If I go out for soul winning and God converted someone through me can't d person go to another church?

It is not a forced thing for CONVERTS to be in one particular denomination. It is however important for converts to be in a Bible believing church for proper growth and nourishment. The early disciples gathered together and they were numbered and increased as shown. Do you have a problem with the numbering or the increase?

triple996:
Christrianity is a joke.
Gods of men

Maybe to people like you

Kobojunkie:
So, is it your understanding that when Peter confronted Ananias, and Saphira for lying against the Spirit of God, Peter, rather than be used to stand in judgement against them by the Spirit, was instead attempting to " teach" them a doctrine or even the Gospel?

Hope you can see how you have missed the whole story in that bible verse simply because you were reading it with an argumentative spirit.
What I was trying to point out to you from that passage was the act itself that was being supervised by Peter. Believers where selling their belongings and bringing the proceed to the feet of the Apostles for distribution amongst all who had need amongst themselves, now where is that a doctrine or where did Jesus tell them to do that according to your own understanding that the directives of Christ was just for them to preach the gospel.
So after preaching the gospel and people accept the Gospel, do you in you own understanding think that is the end of a believers existence?
Brother, after salvation you still have a glorious kingdom life to live before you go to heaven, that is where doctrine comes into play:
*If your core interest is holiness; go to deeper live
"If your core interest is prayer; go to mountain of fire
*If your core interest is Abraham's dimensions of blessings (Financial prosperity); go to Winners Chapel

We all have been saved. The same God that made one an apostle, also made another a pastor and yet another a prophet.
I know most things I type here will be too deep for you to comprehend as they can only be understood by a spiritual minded person.

Omo church business sure pass yahoo aswear

olaeffect:


Hope you can see how you have missed the whole story in that bible verse simply because you were reading it with an argumentative spirit.
What I was trying to point out to you from that passage was the act itself that was being supervised by Peter. Believers where selling their belongings and bringing the proceed to the feet of the Apostles for distribution amongst all who had need amongst themselves, now where is that a doctrine or where did Jesus tell them to do that according to your own understanding that the directives of Christ was just for them to preach the gospel.
So after preaching the gospel and people accept the Gospel, do you in you own understanding think that is the end of a believers existence?
Brother, after salvation you still have a glorious kingdom life to live before you go to heaven, that is where doctrine comes into play:
*If your core interest is holiness; go to deeper live
"If your core interest is prayer; go to mountain of fire
*If your core interest is Abraham's dimensions of blessings (Financial prosperity); go to Winners Chapel

We all have been saved. The same God that made one an apostle, also made another a pastor and yet another a prophet.
I know most things I type here will be too deep for you to comprehend as they can only be understood by a spiritual minded person.

Pay attention... what I did was ask you a question!

So, is it your understanding that when Peter confronted Ananias, and Saphira for lying against the Spirit of God, Peter, rather than be used to stand in judgement against them by the Spirit, was instead attempting to " teach" them a doctrine or even the Gospel?

Was Peter preaching the Gospel in that case or standing in judgement against them?

There is zero tolerance for lackadaisical pastors in Winners. I have worked with a pastor in a foreign country that grew a church from 10 persons to nearly 200 members in a year. The guy even had a job, but boy, this guy was a real pastor. Praying, evangelism, counselling, he was there at the forefront.

PotatoSalad:

Clown
That guy is absolutely right.

Gullible.

Your hatred for the church has made you believe anything. Did the man tell you his own side in the matter? NO, all he did was to paint the church bad. This is typical of any human being when things does not favour him or go his own way. He speaks evil of the other party. The heart of man is desperately wicked.

emapeteum:

What did you mean by can't fake God on the beatitudes.Do you know what beatitudes is all about?

Nevermind!

omasunny:


Maybe to people like you

Ok sir
Sorry sir
My comment seems to have hurt you

Kobojunkie:
Pay attention... what I did was ask you a question!

So, is it your understanding that when Peter confronted Ananias, and Saphira for lying against the Spirit of God, Peter, rather than be used to stand in judgement against them by the Spirit, was instead attempting to " teach" them a doctrine or even the Gospel?

I don't understand your point an nor is your question related to the discussion here.
What is doctrine to you?
What do you understand by doctrine, before we now go into examples of what is and not a doctrine.

SexyBabe001:


Bros, calm down... The pastor claimee they were sacked cos their money was low and Oyedepo debunked their claims that they were sacked cos they were not productive and not bearing fruit..

Biko, is English hard to understand? The media was awashed with the lies from the pastors but the man in charge debunked their lies and said they were sacked cos they were not productive. Did I digress from my earlier stand?

some churches baffle me at times, I onced stayed in a church for one year and the pastor kept saying anytime they go for their general program in Lagos and the cut of money he's Brach is supposed to remit is not up to the amount, that they don't allow them in for the program. That was when i knew church get business inside too.......most pastor face unnecessary financial pressures from the g.o and that's the plain truth.

CrestMan:
Some of you are really funny and may attract curses upon yourself. I remember the story of Moses and his elder sister (a prophetess). How God punished her with leprosy just for rebuking Moses even when Moses seemed to have done something wrong.

* Who are you to judge God's servant?
* Were you there when God told him to pioneer the Ministry?
* How do you argue with a man you don't know what God told him last night?
* Where are you people (that look for every occasion to insult Men of God) from?

My counsel to a few of you who have some spiritual sense, is not to fall into this trap.

God bless you.

Stop deceiving yourself and use your brain.....
Same way they brainwash you with lies... that if you challenge their criminal acts you will be caused.... caused by who ?......
So many people still living in bondage in this 21st century..

So it's only in Nigeria where pastors are sacked!
At the end of the day
Does that make sense �

BafanaBafana:

Well, I don't hate the church, I don't really see Winners as a church too. It's more of a religious profit making organization. Oyedepo brags about creating jobs opening branches, etc. Is that what Christ sent us to do?
The only thing sacred in those Pentecostal organizations and is the pastor.
For instance, a girl will wake up from her boyfriend's house and go and lead praise and worship on Sunday morning. No regard for God.
A guy will go to church to pick girls, no regard for God. But once you insult their pastors... serious problem

Hmmm..... I am not a member of winners but I believe Oyedepo wanted to knock off the believe that sacking the pastor was due money not being generate. Hence, the reason for the job creation thing.

Your final submission on individuals is definitely right. Fear of God is missing nowadays and there are little messages out there that remind people on those sacred part of Christianity. Focus is on prosperity and this is affecting the spirituality of members.

rollywise:







It starts from there. A soul is not won one day. You follow up. Continuous coming to church if one way to tell this person is willing. And easy monitoring can be carried out. Soon the person joins a befitting department. Most importantly, if the person can mellow and obey all instructions as given from the alter, in less than three months his story will be a motivation to others. That's we have so much ear tingling testimonies every Shiloh

The question is, how did they quantify that?

Kobojunkie:
Even that very study is one of the many doctrines and traditions of men that Jesus Christ warned as nothing but lies where the Truth of God is concerned.

All Jesus Christ did was give us comandments/rules and ask that we obey Him. He also instructed us against adding our own ideas and twist to what He says.

The great commission is the command of Jesus. And it's for everyone who is a disciple of Jesus. I believe we won't agree on this so I'll just stop here.

Kobojunkie:
This man does not know Jesus Christ, so how can He know the Spirit of God ?

Hmmmm, any one that does not know Jesus Christ is not fit to be a pastor.

Nauttyprof:


You shouldn't ask this question honestly.

If there are people who do not know Christ and they are preached to, with some giving their lives to Christ, will you abandon them after giving their lives to Christ? What is the right and sensible thing to do?

Except maybe you feel winning souls mean you go meet a deeper life member and start forcing them to go to winners.

I just don't understand questions as this.

So, if the church grew in population from 50 to 250 in one year, how do you quantify the souls won there?

olaeffect:

I don't understand your point an nor is your question related to the discussion here.
What is doctrine to you?
What do you understand by doctrine, before we now go into examples of what is and not a doctrine.

1. You brought up the story of Ananias and Saphira as justification of what occurs in your churches today, did you not?

2. Beginning in chapter 4, we are told that after being saved and recieving the Spirit of God, many of the first Christians sold all they had and brought it so they can use it as a group.

3. According to the story told of in Acts 5 vs 1 - 11, Peter stood against Ananias and Saphira for lying against the Spirit of God. What I want you to explain to me is how you feel Peter was in some way teaching a doctrine to them for their "salvation" or anything else as you do in your churches today, rather than doing exactly what is described in that passage which is condemn the liars?

Kobojunkie:
The Church that belongs to Jesus Christ is the Church that was built by Jesus Christ Himself. Your churches are, however, built by the hands of your pastors and Mogs for their kingdoms here on earth.

Anyone who frequents these churches that are built of the hands of men is a Churchian and the practice itself is "Churchianism".

Well you are not a Christian nor a member of the body of Christ so I owe you no explanation.
But if you can ask your close friends that are believers or Christians they will let you know there were Churches in Corinth, Ephesus, etc in the days of the Apostles, and Churches (gathering of believers) spread all over the world, including branches of that singular church you are trying to say was built by Christ me I am I child of God so I know where you are coming from

Image123:


It's a good human benchmark. Are souls not people? Did Jesus Christ not count people present?

Ok. He counted them. And you read...where... he said those were souls won?

Image123:


It is not a forced thing for CONVERTS to be in one particular denomination. It is however important for converts to be in a Bible believing church for proper growth and nourishment. The early disciples gathered together and they were numbered and increased as shown. Do you have a problem with the numbering or the increase?

I don't have any problem with numbers... I'm an usher at my local church and we count every Sunday... My problem is sacking them after a year considering the pandemic, some were sent to Christian dominated areas like ekiti or benue I served in ekiti there's nothing u can do that people will leave their cac, Catholic, seven days, Anglican and come to winners except u are sharing food every Sunday... Even wen we did nysc rural rugged they were reluctant to come out until we started sharing things and giving free medical check up and drugs... Bishop made mention of fruitfulness.. Luke 13 talked about a master that wanted to destroy his vineyard after 3 Yrs of lack of productivity, but the servant asked him to be patient for one more year so he can tender it and if it still remains d same it can cut it off... Patience
It's God that increases it's church no amount of evangelism can bring people 1 Corinthians 3:6

Romanoff:

The great commission is the command of Jesus. And it's for everyone who is a disciple of Jesus. I believe we won't agree on this so I'll just stop here.

But the study you just referred me to assumes it is more than just that one command..there is a whole doctrinal school built around this great commission you speak of, and there are included lies that suggest that special rrewards await those win souls.

All Jesus Christ did was give a command, without a blessing or promise attached to it.

Romanoff:


No. Records are meant to be kept on evangelism, follow up should be done on new converts. If all doesn't come to your church to worship, at least, a small number should.

How will you pastor a church and not be able to boast of one soul for like three months?

What are you and your evangelism department doing?

Know that most of the affected churches are in rural areas. So how much be their offering?

Why do you as a pastor need to boast of any soul? And where did I talk of offering in my post? You guys always go on the defensive, and thereby lose focus on the point of discussion.

SexyBabe001:


You believed the sacked pastors but you didn't believe Oyedepo.. What will Oyedepo gain in lying? What exactly?

my nature from my birth has been fairness, i don't get carried away with personalty. so to be clear to you i am not supporting the sacked pastor, the most i could do is to listen to his own side of the story too, i believe as an adult after he was sacked, there must be some verbal exchanges as to the reason he was sacked apart from the formal procedure, this is what he probably brought to the media and you don't except the G.O to fold his arms without defending or making a good image of his church....
so the main issue here is soulwinning, there is a thin line here, how can we measure soul winning in the church on the surface? is it not by members present? do you even know the mind of the members to know if their souls are won? and must a won soul come to your church?
so the two may be saying the same thing in different ways.

olaeffect:
Well you are not a Christian nor a member of the body of Christ so I owe you no explanation.
But if you can ask your close friends that are believers or Christians they will let you know there were Churches in Corinth, Ephesus, etc in the days of the Apostles, and Churches (gathering of believers) spread all over the world, including branches of that singular church you are trying to say was built by Christ me I am I child of God so I know where you are coming from

Jesus Christ Himself said that His Church is built by Him.

And you are right, I am not one of your Churchians since I am instead of the Church that was built by Jesus Christ Himself.

Hope Nairaland resident Pastor, righteousness2 is not among the sacked unproductive Pastors

Prophesying Trump's winning alone is should get him sacked for being fake and his other Hypocritical nature

mechanics:
Hmmmm, any one that does not know Jesus Christ is not fit to be a pastor.

Instead your pastors and Mogs are the false teachers and false prophets that Jesus Christ warned you against listening and associating with .

HedwigesMaduro:


Why do you as a pastor need to boast of any soul? And where did I talk of offering in my post? You guys always go on the defensive, and thereby lose focus on the point of discussion.

No. I talked about offering based on previous posts about this matter.

This is actually the first time I'm commenting on this issue.

Every Christian should be able to boast of a soul on a timely basis. As a pastor of a church, you should lead by example.

SexyBabe001:
I know the sacked pastors were lying.

If they felt they were sacked unjustly, let them dust themselves together and try to do something. All these media blackmail won't solve anything. Oyedepo was clear here that money was never the issue for their sack which they claimed they were for.

You can't hide for the truth, the God they claimed they were serving knows the indepth and what we don't know..

To those going overboard and saying insulting words, I know most of you will do far worse than he did..

When it comes to pastors your energy gets activated, to hold your senators and reps responsible, you won't but church.. You begin to quote bible. I am not surprise.. Even the devil goes to church..


Same Oyedepo most of you are insulting single-handedly construct Ota road which your FG and State Govt abandon.. You won't hold them accountable but una dey get energy when its Adeboye or Oyedepo


https://autoreportng.com/2019/10/winners-church-to-repair-sango-ota.html/

This was Oyedepo Constructing Ota road... He didn't collect a dime..

This is Adeboye with Ifewara Road..

https://autoreportng.com/2021/06/ife-ifewara-road-senate-hails-rccg-asks-fgs-contractors-to-refund-%25E2%2582%25A6140m.html/

You won't hold the legislooters you voted accountable but want to show muscles on pastors....

Shame

what are you saying na. Do you even reasoning, baba is still talking about money and you are saying his is not talking about money. Ah Nogerian youths and reason just don't mix

HedwigesMaduro:


Ok. He counted them. And you read...where... he said those were souls won?

Yep, read Acts 2.