Kobojunkie:
1. You brought up the story of Ananias and Saphira as justification of what occurs in your churches today, did you not?

2. Beginning in chapter 4, we are told that after being saved and recieving the Spirit of God, many of the first Christians sold all they had and brought it so they can use it as a group.

3. According to the story told of in Acts 5 vs 1 - 11, Peter stood against Ananias and Saphira for lying against the Spirit of God. What I want you to explain to me is how you feel Peter was in some way teaching a doctrine to them for their "salvation" or anything else as you do in your churches today, rather than doing exactly what is described in that passage which is condemn the liars?

HedwigesMaduro:


So, if the church grew in population from 50 to 250 in one year, how do you quantify the souls won there?

Kobojunkie:
But the study you just referred me to assumes it is more than just that one command..there is a whole doctrinal school built around this great commission you speak of, and there are included lies that suggest that special rrewards await those win souls.

All Jesus Christ did was give a command, without a blessing or promise attached to it.

yinkkus:


my nature from my birth has been fairness, i don't get carried away with personalty. so to be clear to you i am not supporting the sacked pastor, the most i could do is to listen to his own side of the story too, i believe as an adult after he was sacked they must be some verbal exchanges as to the reason he was sacked apart from the formal procedure, this is what he probably brought to the media and you don't except the G.O to fold his arms without defending or making a good image of his church....
so the main issue here is soulwinning, there is a thin line here, how can we measure soul winning in the church on the surface? is it not by members present? do you even know the mind of the members to know if their souls are won? and must a won soul come to your church?
so the two may be saying the same thing in different ways.

BafanaBafana:
The sacked pastor in this case was explicitly told about income. He was told the church should be able to generate money to run itself, and shouldn't be running at loss.
They made a mistake in giving him the explanation, thinking he won't go public because of the fear of the wrath of God, but nigga is a Tiv man, dem no dey fear like that, he spilt everything.
Imagine if the church was in bonny island, and they couldn't grow in numbers, but have a fat income, would they sack the pastor?
Besides, when they talk about winning souls, do they mean leading people to Christ, or bringing members to their church? Because I don't see why you will be dragging someone who is attending a church already to come to your church, claiming to be winning souls.
Furthermore, I don't know if I have ever seen a living faith member who is living a Christlike life. Church is just gymnastic for most of them. The only thing they take seriously is paying of tithe, which is the emphasis of their messages by the way

olaeffect:

Yes I brought up the story to make you see that the Apostles did other things (Church management and administration) than just preaching salvation, salvation, salvation.
Because your point was that, that is the only thing Jesus commanded his deciples to do.
I didn't send that scripture to you for any doctrine sake, and even if you want to talk of doctrine why are you not asking me if I sent the scripture to say selling of property and sharing it amongst church member is a doctrine, why are you so kin about joining issues with matters of the Holy spirit?
Bros I beg you with God in the name of Jesus Christ, no join me with Holy spirit matter. Mathews 12: 31-32
Choose another topic of doctrine, after explaining to me what you mean/understand by doctrine.
I dey wait.

Franklydes:
what are you saying na. Do you even reasoning, baba is still talking about money and you are saying his is not talking about money. Ah Nogerian youths and reason just don't mix

BafanaBafana:
The sacked pastor in this case was explicitly told about income. He was told the church should be able to generate money to run itself, and shouldn't be running at loss.
They made a mistake in giving him the explanation, thinking he won't go public because of the fear of the wrath of God, but nigga is a Tiv man, dem no dey fear like that, he spilt everything.
Imagine if the church was in bonny island, and they couldn't grow in numbers, but have a fat income, would they sack the pastor?
Besides, when they talk about winning souls, do they mean leading people to Christ, or bringing members to their church? Because I don't see why you will be dragging someone who is attending a church already to come to your church, claiming to be winning souls.
Furthermore, I don't know if I have ever seen a living faith member who is living a Christlike life. Church is just gymnastic for most of them. The only thing they take seriously is paying of tithe, which is the emphasis of their messages by the way

Dominion2000:
WINNERS CHURCH DOESN'T PLAY WITH EVANGELISM AND SOUL WINNING. IF YOU WILL BE APPROVED, YOU MUST BE AN ARDENT ONE. PAPA HAS SPOKEN THE VISION OF THE COMMISSION. ACCEPT IT OR REJECT IT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS ARE WASTED WORDS.. PERIOD

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ Himself said that His Church is built by Him.

And you are right, I am not one of your Churchians since I am instead of the Church that was built by Jesus Christ Himself.

Romanoff:

I'm not about the doctrine. But the command. Whatever name we choose to call it, it's something that all Christians should take seriously. As a pastor of a church, if for 3 months, no one in your church has won a soup, your evangelism and follow up department isn't having records, there is a problem.

It means you're just a pastor of church goers, lukewarm or cold people.

Does it mean there isn't two or three people in that church who are actively winning souls or is it the attitude and body language of the church that keeps people away?

FarahAideed:


My sister by fruitful he means they were not attracting enough people and that translates to low income

olaeffect:

Well you don't even know what a church is. If you do you will know that the body of Christ is the Church and you will understand that the body of Jesus Christ the Son of God that filleth all in all cannot be built upon a human being, but upon the Peter (which means The Rock) which every spiritual minded bible scholar knows means the WORD. That same WORD which became flesh.

Captain8:
which lying? do expect oledepo to say yes?

oledepo is big fraudster

BafanaBafana:
The sacked pastor in this case was explicitly told about income. He was told the church should be able to generate money to run itself, and shouldn't be running at loss.
They made a mistake in giving him the explanation, thinking he won't go public because of the fear of the wrath of God, but nigga is a Tiv man, dem no dey fear like that, he spilt everything.
Imagine if the church was in bonny island, and they couldn't grow in numbers, but have a fat income, would they sack the pastor?
Besides, when they talk about winning souls, do they mean leading people to Christ, or bringing members to their church? Because I don't see why you will be dragging someone who is attending a church already to come to your church, claiming to be winning souls.
Furthermore, I don't know if I have ever seen a living faith member who is living a Christlike life. Church is just gymnastic for most of them. The only thing they take seriously is paying of tithe, which is the emphasis of their messages by the way

SexyBabe001:


I know comphrension is a big problem in Nigeria but pls read slowly and try to understand. English is not hard na...

Don't go about digracing yourself..

I only highlighted the pastors are being economical with the truth

Kobojunkie:
So, in Acts 5 vs 11, what was Peter doing in that case? Was Peter managing a church? Administrating the church? what exactly are you told Peter was doing there?

Notice I am asking the same question, even several comments later and you have yet to respond.

Olarewaju89:



Like your father abi?

Judolisco:
I don't have any problem with numbers... I'm an usher at my local church and we count every Sunday... My problem is sacking them after a year considering the pandemic, some were sent to Christian dominated areas like ekiti or benue I served in ekiti there's nothing u can do that people will leave their cac, Catholic, seven days, Anglican and come to winners except u are sharing food every Sunday... Even wen we did nysc rural rugged they were reluctant to come out until we started sharing things and giving free medical check up and drugs... Bishop made mention of fruitfulness.. Luke 13 talked about a master that wanted to destroy his vineyard after 3 Yrs of lack of productivity, but the servant asked him to be patient for one more year so he can tender it and if it still remains d same it can cut it off... Patience
It's God that increases it's church no amount of evangelism can bring people 1 Corinthians 3:6

FarahAideed:


Oga the fruitful there is money

Franklydes:
but to be logical its about money my dear. If the church was in bonny island with little members but fat income would he sack the pastors. Think my dear think. No let in the name of Holy ghost put you for high ground.

SexyBabe001:
Bishop Oyedepo addresses issue of Living Faith Rural Churches Low Income:

NONSENSE !
OUR ONLY CRITERIA IS HOW MANY SOULS WON AND NOT HOW MUCH INCOME.

WHEN WE EMPLOYED 7000 PASTORS AT ONCE SOCIAL MEDIA WAS DEAD. WE HAVE MORE EMPLOYEES THAN MOST STATES IN NIGERIA AND WE HAVE NEVER OWED THEM OR TAKEN BANK OVERDRAFT ONCE.

THE PASTORS WERE ASKED TO GO BECAUSE THEY WERE UNFRUITFUL.
MANY OF THE CHURCHES BUILT CAN NEVER PAY FOR THE CHURCH BUILDING IN 30 YEARS.

WE HAVE NO PATIENCE WITH FAILURE HERE.

-Bishop David Oyedepo at CHoP

*We have built more than 1,000 Churches in rural areas where in the next 30 years, they can never generate such fund, with each costing more than 14 Million Naira.
*We are hunting after souls, not income.

People are confused about our Ministry. I learnt some fellows said, “you know, they are not bringing income, that is why they asked them to go.” We asked you to go because you are unfruitful.

Unfruitful! Blatant failure. Doing what there? We have no patience with failure here.
When we employed 7,000 people at a time, Social Media was dead.
We have more employees in this Organisation than most of the States. Church Gist. No one is owed a dime salary and we don’t borrow, we don’t beg. Ask our bank whether we take overdraft.

We are covenant bound, working in the light of God’ Word.
Enjoying an open Heaven.
We have fully delivered the first phase of 1,000 plus buildings to the rural Churches. None of those Churches can generate that fund in the next 30 years. No, we are hunting after souls.

Money: NONSENSE!
We have never lacked it and yet we have never prayed for it, we are just simply obeying God and He is backing up what He is asking us to do. Awesome God.

Now the next set is about to be flagged off, just certifying the landed property issues, nothing else. We have no lack of anything. The world is confused.

Walking in the light of God’s Word. Please obey God to the full and watch out for His manifestations in your life.
Well, you don’t need so much Mathematics to know a thousand buildings; that is not 1000 Naira each, that is not 10 Million (Naira) each, that is not 12 Million (Naira) each, that is not 14 Million (Naira) each.

Some are 35 Million (Naira). At a go!
We have never seen it ourselves. We just watched God doing it.
The only criteria: How many souls have they gotten there? Then, build for them.
How many souls? Not once: “how much money do they have?”
Apart from individuals now investing in promoting the Kingdom of God: building 5 Churches, some building 2, some building 3 Churches.

Just obey God. Church Gist. Obedience will turn you to a living wonder
Have you ever seen raise a prayer point of “O God, send us money”?
You have been here for some time, we pray every day. Now we pray 3 times a day:
Covenant Hour of Prayer;
Covenant Revival Prayer: Morning and Evening.

Going out every day on the streets.
You want to see what we see, go and do what we do. But if you are not saved, there is nothing you do that matters. There is nothing you do that matters.

Note: The Church has spent over 2 Billion naira to built over 1000 church auditoria in the first phase.

#BishopDavidOyedepo
#CHoP22July2021
#ChurchGist

CHoP is an acronym for Covenant Hour of Prayer.

Source:
https://www.facebook.com/444807728996437/posts/2487101721433684/

Captain8:
is it God that called oledepo man of God or its people that called him?

do know whether God accept oledepo or not....

oledepo is an antichrist the bible talked about...

tell me one thing Jesus said that oledepo did?

SexyBabe001:
I know the sacked pastors were lying.

If they felt they were sacked unjustly, let them dust themselves together and try to do something. All these media blackmail won't solve anything. Oyedepo was clear here that money was never the issue for their sack which they claimed they were for.

You can't hide for the truth, the God they claimed they were serving knows the indepth and what we don't know..

To those going overboard and saying insulting words, I know most of you will do far worse than he did..

When it comes to pastors your energy gets activated, to hold your senators and reps responsible, you won't but church.. You begin to quote bible. I am not surprise.. Even the devil goes to church..


Same Oyedepo most of you are insulting single-handedly construct Ota road which your FG and State Govt abandon.. You won't hold them accountable but una dey get energy when its Adeboye or Oyedepo


https://autoreportng.com/2019/10/winners-church-to-repair-sango-ota.html/

This was Oyedepo Constructing Ota road... He didn't collect a dime..

This is Adeboye with Ifewara Road..

https://autoreportng.com/2021/06/ife-ifewara-road-senate-hails-rccg-asks-fgs-contractors-to-refund-%25E2%2582%25A6140m.html/

You won't hold the legislooters you voted accountable but want to show muscles on pastors....

Shame

LikeAking:
Souls = income.
Oga we get sense too.

Image123:


Seems we are comparing apples and oranges here. A parable for one is not taken literally. You don't need 3 literal years to sack a non performer. They are not sacked from the kingdom of God or from church or from the earth. From the news, about 7000 local churches were established. If 40 or so are not performing and are "blatant failures" like was described, there is no need to tie them down there. Let others try, it is not personal property or government tenure where you leave non-performer and even vote them in again. God commands His children to go and evangelise. If it was useless like you imply, i am certain God will not command it. Churches record new converts and new members everywhere there is life and the true gospel preached.

valentineuwakwe:
Well i know those pastors were lying from the onset but fishing for souls this day don hard o....too many churches everywhere dragging for members and not soul winning, plus people go where instant miracles happen and there ailments solved immediately!