MaxInDHouse:
Guy you're totally confused!

Malicious Criticism is kicking you off balance so take your time to meditate thoroughly on what you want to say before accusing people simply because their faith is not in agreement with your thinking!

Jesus never drank blood neither did any of his followers back then so it's clear that God's son is using a metaphorical expression to pass across an important message. Please first get yourself together, know the import of Jesus' metaphorical expression before coming to a public forum like this to argue blindly!

Can you mention the name of your church now? Of course you won't because right thinking people will see such a church as the gathering of vampires!

Twisting and derailing again.

Jesus said” drink my blood in remembrance of me”

If you’re not doing so you’re not a Christ follower, if you are doing so then you’re an hypocrite cos u claim you don’t take blood under any guise

MaxInDHouse:

But later sent His only begotten Son who now brought the final word on killing. Do you think people who rejected Jesus' teaching had no brains? Well these are the reasons why the rejected and even condemned him!
But we believe he is the most wonderful counselor the world ever had {Isaiah 9:6} God sent Moses who taught the Israelites to kill their enemies and through Moses foretold this same people that another Prophet will arise who will teach them something better {Deuteronomy 18:15-18} so when God told those faithful Jews in the first century saying:

“This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved. Listen to him” Matthew 17:5

It's clear that something New is about to be revealed through this person because God has never said so even if the messenger is an angel {Hebrews 1:6} so if you don't believe in God's Son well we do! John 3:16



Jerusalem Temple was destroyed due to the wicked way the Jews treated God's prophets sent to them most especially what they did to God's only begotten Son! Matthew 23:37-38

Jesus said he came to fulfill the laws and not to abolish them.
Matthew 5:17
Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

achorladey:


You simply don't know those you are dealing with. There is always a small and larger fulfillment of the scriptures as it applies to their religious organization.

There's nothing like small or larger fulfillment of Scriptures, fulfillment is fulfillment. Though, we try to attach a present-day event or circumstance that seem fitting to a fulfillment of a prophecy, forgetting that such doesn't apply. "Primary fulfillment and secondary fulfillment" can be said but the secondary not taken as the primary.

For example: The persecution that would be experienced by Christians prophesied by the apostles, John and Paul, before the destruction of national Israel by the Romans are primary. The ones experienced by Christians after that time and today are secondary.

We can't say Christians being persecuted in our time to mean the fulfillment of John and Paul's prophecies. Though, Paul stated that those who desired to live godly in Christ Jesus will be persecuted (2 Timothy 3:12).

In a nutshell, what I'm saying is, what Daniel prophesied has been fulfilled in its specific/primary sense.

worlexy:

Twisting and derailing again.

Jesus said” drink my blood in remembrance of me”

If you’re not doing so you’re not a Christ follower, if you are doing so then you’re an hypocrite cos u claim you don’t take blood under any guise

Guy you're more confused than i thought!

Please quote the verse for everyone to read and understand!

worlexy:

Jesus said he came to fulfill the laws and not to abolish them.
Matthew 5:17
Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

If he has come to FULFILL something how come you think his followers need to continue with what Jesus said it has finished? John 19:30

MaxInDHouse:


Guy you're more confused than i thought!

Please quote the verse for everyone to read and understand!

Matthew 26:27-28
And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
“For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.”

Paul re affirmed what Jesus said:
1 Corinthians 11:25
In the same way He took the cup also after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.”


If you follow the teaching of Christ, you will follow his order of taking drinking his blood in Holy communion, if you don’t that means you’ve disobeyed him. If you do, that means you’re an hypocrite cos you preach against drinking of blood under any guise and yet you drink that of Christ.

MaxInDHouse:


If he has come to FULFILL something how come you think his followers need to continue with what Jesus said it has finished? John 19:30

So you mean the law has finished? So why are you still misinterpreting the law of not to drink animal blood and using it to send people to their early graves?

Themandator:

Three questions and my observations and submissions .... Most of the solid study Bible apps I have comes right from Moscow of Russia by Russians .... That is why I asked you for the specific criticism that attracts government interventions ..... What exactly was the statement from JWs and then the rest of the other questions

It's a spiritual language that's understood only by the coordinators of two rival Organizations.

While one told all her members the truth of what is happening the other Organization hides the truth from most of her members only the coordinators know what is happening for real!

So when the spirits heading both Organization are at war you'll only see their adherents having serious issues!

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES Organization belongs to one spirit while the worldly authorities are the rival organization.

Jesus said the Prince of this world has no hold on him {John 14:30} he said his own Kingdom (government) is no part of this world {John 18:36} he said for this reason his true followers will be hated because they are no part of this world {John 15:19; 17:14} Apostles John said the whole world is under the influence of Satan the Devil {1John 5:19} Apostle Paul said Satan is the God of this world! 2Corinthians 4:4

From all these do you think Jesus' true followers who are messengers of godly peace working under the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} can operate freely when Satan the Killer {John 8:44} is planning to make people under him exterminate one another? Revelations 6:3-4

Well Russia is planning to take over the world power from Anglo America, they are carrying most of the Asian countries along, but they need to equip themselves first by instilling bitter hatred in the hearts of their own children in schools so that by the time the war begins all Russian youths will battle prepared.

So how do you think the Russian authorities will view JWs who are advocates of Godly PEACE?

So from the quotation, what exactly did Jesus give his followers wine or real blood?

worlexy:


Matthew 26:27-28
And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
“For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.”

Paul re affirmed what Jesus said:
1 Corinthians 11:25
In the same way He took the cup also after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.”


If you follow the teaching of Christ, you will follow his order of taking drinking his blood in Holy communion, if you don’t that means you’ve disobeyed him. If you do, that means you’re an hypocrite cos you preach against drinking of blood under any guise and yet you drink that of Christ.

worlexy:

So you mean the law has finished? So why are you still misinterpreting the law of not to drink animal blood and using it to send people to their early graves?

True Christians don't keep the laws of Moses we only make references to it when needed.

Our law not to take blood is from the Bible book of Act 15:28-29 which reads:

"For the holy spirit and we ourselves have favored adding no further burden to you except these necessary things: to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols, from blood, from what is strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you carefully keep yourselves from these things, you will prosper. Good health to you"

We only make references to the old laws for a clearer understanding on the law of Christ but we are no longer under those laws! Galatians 3:23-25

However, before the faith arrived, we were being guarded under law, being handed over into custody, looking to the faith that was about to be revealed. So the Law became our guardian leading to Christ, so that we might be declared righteous through faith. But now that the faith has arrived, we are no longer under a guardian

emmnprince:


There's nothing like small or larger fulfillment of Scriptures, fulfillment is fulfillment. Though, we try to attach a present-day event or circumstance that seem fitting to a fulfillment of a prophecy, forgetting that such doesn't apply. "Primary fulfillment and secondary fulfillment" can be said but the secondary not taken as the primary.

For example: The persecution that would be experienced by Christians prophesied by the apostles, John and Paul, before the destruction of national Israel by the Romans are primary. The ones experienced by Christians after that time and today are secondary.

We can't say Christians being persecuted in our time to mean the fulfillment of John and Paul's prophecies. Though, Paul stated that those who desired to live godly in Christ Jesus will be persecuted (2 Timothy 3:12).

In a nutshell, what I'm saying is, what Daniel prophesied has been fulfilled in its specific/primary sense.

I hope they listen and follow through. I repeat na their way of interpreting the scriptures.

Make I give you one example of what I said in one of their publications. Take a look at the explanation given for this scripture quoted below

As for you, son of man, I have appointed you as a watchman to the house of Israel; and when you hear a word from my mouth you must warn them from me..... Ezekiel 33:7


These watchmen faced opposition, remained loyal, and announced both warnings and good news

ANCIENT ISRAEL
Isaiah 778–c. 732 B.C.E.

Jeremiah 647-580 B.C.E.

Ezekiel 613–c. 591 B.C.E.

FIRST CENTURY
John the Baptist 29-32 C.E.

Jesus 29-33 C.E.

Paul c. 34–c. 65 C.E.

MODERN TIMES
C. T. Russell and His Associates c. 1879-1919

The Faithful Slave 1919–Today

You can see how they dated everything as if na like so e dey Bible

God allowed people to live from 65 C.E down to 1878 with no watchman

By now you should understand the kind teachings and mindset they have.

MaxInDHouse:


True Christians don't keep the laws of Moses we only make references to it when needed.

But you’re keeping the one that you fraudulently misinterpreted to deny people from blood transfusion.

You guys are Antichrist and fraudulent.

Our law not to take blood is from the Bible book of Act 15:28-29 which reads:

Paul was making reference to the same law of Moses that you deny above.

Vireani79:


What are u saying.
Is Putin the topic or JW people

I'm only following your narrative but it appears I was mistaken about your competence to carry on with your narrative

worlexy:

But you’re keeping the one that you fraudulently misinterpreted to deny people from blood transfusion.

You guys are Antichrist and fraudulent.



Paul was making reference to the same law of Moses that you deny above.

Please help yourself because at this point nobody can help you!

We are talking about FAITH and each person will decide no one has the right to force another.

The highlighted reveals how bitter you've become against a religious group whose only offense is difference in beliefs.

Cain attacked Abel!
Jewish religious leaders attacked Jesus and his disciples!
Orthodox Churches killed millions of innocent people!
Radical Islamists are still killing innocent people till today!


All these occurred simply because of difference in beliefs!

Now imagine what Cain, Jewish religious leaders, Orthodox Churches during the dark ages and Radical Islamists had in mind towards the people they wanted to silence:

It's all about being "Idolatry and religious fraud"

The reason why i've been responding to your question is to prove that we have a reason why our FAITH differs from yours. But if you're now becoming this bitter think of what Jesus said:

“Stop judging that you may not be judged; 2 for with the judgment you are judging, you will be judged, and with the measure that you are measuring out, they will measure out to you. 3 Why, then, do you look at the straw in your brother’s eye but do not notice the rafter in your own eye? Matthew 7:1-3

Only God can judge who is right and who is wrong. For your information to the Jews, Islamists and Traditionalists once you claim to believe in Jesus you're a fraudster who deserves to be deleted (killed)
So if you're now having the same kind of feelings towards your fellowman for the same reason that their faith is wrong, then remind yourself always what Jesus said in the Bible book of Matthew 7:1-3.

Jesus never asked us to take laws into our hands against those who choose to pitch their tent elsewhere {Luke 9:51-56} he was a strong advocate of freedom of worship!

To Jesus only God's Kingdom can resolve the issue of contradictions in faith not you or anybody else for that matter!

MaxInDHouse:


Please help yourself because at this point nobody can help you!

We are talking about FAITH and each person will decide no one has the right to force another.

The highlighted reveals how bitter you've become against a religious group whose only offense is difference in beliefs.

Cain attacked Abel!
Jewish religious leaders attacked Jesus and his disciples!
Orthodox Churches killed millions of innocent people!
Radical Islamists are still killing innocent people till today!


All these occurred simply because of difference in beliefs!

Now imagine what Cain, Jewish religious leaders, Orthodox Churches during the dark ages and Radical Islamists had in mind towards the people they wanted to silence:

It's all about being "Idolatry and religious fraud"

The reason why i've been responding to your question is to prove that we have a reason why our FAITH differs from yours. But if you're now becoming this bitter think of what Jesus said:

“Stop judging that you may not be judged; 2 for with the judgment you are judging, you will be judged, and with the measure that you are measuring out, they will measure out to you. 3 Why, then, do you look at the straw in your brother’s eye but do not notice the rafter in your own eye? Matthew 7:1-3

Only God can judge who is right and who is wrong. For your information to the Jews, Islamists and Traditionalists once you claim to believe in Jesus you're a fraudster who deserves to be deleted (killed)
So if you're now having the same kind of feelings towards your fellowman for the same reason that their faith is wrong, then remind yourself always what Jesus said in the Bible book of Matthew 7:1-3.

Jesus never asked us to take laws into our hands against those who choose to pitch their tent elsewhere {Luke 9:51-56} he was a strong advocate of freedom of worship!

To Jesus only God's Kingdom can resolve the issue of contradictions in faith not you or anybody else for that matter!

If you like cry from now till tomorrow, your sect is fraudulent and Antichrist you’ve misled a lot of people.

MaxInDHouse:


It's a spiritual language that's understood only by the coordinators of two rival Organizations.

While one told all her members the truth of what is happening the other Organization hides the truth from most of her members only the coordinators know what is happening for real!

So when the spirits heading both Organization are at war you'll only see their adherents having serious issues!

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES Organization belongs to one spirit while the worldly authorities are the rival organization.

Jesus said the Prince of this world has no hold on him {John 14:30} he said his own Kingdom (government) is no part of this world {John 18:36} he said for this reason his true followers will be hated because they are no part of this world {John 15:19; 17:14} Apostles John said the whole world is under the influence of Satan the Devil {1John 5:19} Apostle Paul said Satan is the God of this world! 2Corinthians 4:4

From all these do you think Jesus' true followers who are messengers of godly peace working under the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} can operate freely when Satan the Killer {John 8:44} is planning to make people under him exterminate one another? Revelations 6:3-4

Well Russia is planning to take over the world power from Anglo America, they are carrying most of the Asian countries along, but they need to equip themselves first by instilling bitter hatred in the hearts of their own children in schools so that by the time the war begins all Russian youths will battle prepared.

So how do you think the Russian authorities will view JWs who are advocates of Godly PEACE?

You stated that Russia wants to be world power and therefore fighting JW who are advocates of godly peace ...


1. Is it ungodly for Russia to aspire to be the number world power


2. Is godly peace only possible under an American defined world system?

3. Do you really believe they Russia is after JW for advocating godly peace and if you do please give examples of the open declarations from JW on the godly peace and Russia's reaction to such statement.

Gambit23:

Nothing mysterious about it. The Russian government are not stupid like the Nigerian govt and thus they regulate religion in their country.
Jehovah witness is an extremist organization and any real government across d world would like to monitor them & keep them in check.

Jehovah’s Witnesses who are against using weapons to resolve issues in war are an extremist organization.
A round of applause for Gambit23.

From our chat so far any reasonable follower can sense who is really crying inwardly like Cain. So calm down and relax!

worlexy:

If you like cry from now till tomorrow, your sect is fraudulent and Antichrist you’ve misled a lot of people.

Themandator:

You stated that Russia wants to be world power and therefore fighting JW who are advocates of godly peace ...
1. Is it ungodly for Russia to aspire to be the number world power

When Satan tempted Jesus most readers failed to meditate thoroughly on what transpired between them:

So (Satan) brought (Jesus) up and showed him all the kingdoms of the inhabited earth in an instant of time. Then the Devil said to him: “I will give you all this authority and their glory, because it has been handed over to me, and I give it to whomever I wish" Luke 4:5-6
With this please think about whom those acting as number one world rulers have been dealing with all these while! Daniel 10:13 compare to John 14:30; 2 Corinthians 4:4; 1John 5:19

2. Is godly peace only possible under an American defined world system?

Throughout mankind's history with religion the first world power to declare freedom of speech expression and worship is America!

Daniel foretold that it's during the time when this world power is ruling that God's kingdom will take over and rule forever {Daniel 2:44} so no world power is coming to overthrow America because they're the only reason why persons like you and i have the privilege to practice the religion of our choice. Before America there was nothing like religious freedom!

3. Do you really believe they Russia is after JW for advocating godly peace and if you do please give examples of the open declarations from JW on the godly peace and Russia's reaction to such statement.

Open declaration?
How do you want them to declare it again after erasing the use of weapons and military services in the hearts of all their members globally? Micah 4:1-3
Judge for yourself and ask what will happen if all religionists on earth are JWs! Psalms 46:9

As for the Orthodox Churches and support for patriotic wars please check it now on Google!

MaxInDHouse:
From our chat so far any reasonable follower can sense who is really crying inwardly like Cain. So calm down and relax!

Continue misleading people in your cult. You’ll give account of your deeds and misdeeds

DavidEsq:

I'm only following your narrative but it appears I was mistaken about your competence to carry on with your narrative

U are stupid
It's obvious

Janosky:

You see video of Russian Orthodox Priest leading a mob to burn JWs publications , you suddenly your so-called "critical thinking skills" failed you.
E get why.

Self fulfilled prophecies.

worlexy:

Continue misleading people in your cult. You’ll give account of your deeds and misdeeds

That's what all of us need to bear in mind and easily walk away when we see people whose faith is not in agreement with ours.
It's just as simple as that!

DappaD:


Jehovah’s Witnesses who are against using weapons to resolve issues in war are an extremist organization.
A round of applause for Gambit23.

U dont need weapon to be an extremist .

JW na pure extremist group, that's why the strict Russian government banned them

The US at a time was using the JW house-to-house movement to spy on the Russian government officials. The watchtower is a US-based religious organization and both the US and the Russians don't trust each other. The US will ban the JW if it is a Russian-based religious organization.

true2god:
The US at a time was using the JW house-to-house movement to spy on the Russian government officials. The watchtower is a US-based religious organization and both the US and the Russians don't trust each other. The US will ban the JW if it is a Russian-based religious organization.

The red is false but the blue is true!

Gambit23:

U dont need weapon to be an extremist .
JW na pure extremist group, that's why the strict Russian government banned them

The young man from Nazareth was also an harmless extremist that's the accusation the Jewish religious leaders brought to Pontius Pilate telling him why he must sentence Jesus to death!

MaxInDHouse:


The young man from Nazareth was also an harmless extremist that's the accusation the Jewish religious leaders brought to Pontius Pilate telling him why he must sentence Jesus to death!

Nope.

The so called Nazarene never said people should take blood when they undergo life threatening surgery.

The Nazarene was slaughtered because he woke up one morning m started claiming that he's the King of kings upandan d whole place....So the real kings orchestrated his arrest n death

Gambit23:

Nope.
The so called Nazarene never said people should take blood when they undergo life threatening surgery.

Well there were many people who died of illnesses during his lifetime but those that comes in contact with him were healed without any form of treatment. So your claim is not verified!

The Nazarene was slaughtered because he woke up one morning m started claiming that he's the King of kings upandan d whole place....So the real kings orchestrated his arrest n death

Exactly! He was saying what JWs are saying up and down today that a righteous government will come and destroy all worldly authorities. They are making people hope in that coming government instead of fighting for their right.
The Jewish community wanted to revolt against Roman authorities but with Jesus' teachings that will not be possible!

Gambit23:

U dont need weapon to be an extremist .
JW na pure extremist group, that's why the strict Russian government banned them

Mr Gambit23, your opinion is yours and yours alone so don’t project it to me.

What you’re unaware is that the Nazis tried doing the same thing during World War 2. Hitler vowed to exterminate Jehovah’s Witnesses yet decades later, Jehovah’s Witnesses held their international convention in the same stadium where Hitler made that declaration. Where is Hitler today? Where are Jehovah’s Witnesses today?
The latter kept on flourishing and today they number more than 164,000 in the same land where the worthless and useless Hitler declared their extermination. Meanwhile, Hitler is no where to be found, in fact his legacy is reprehensible!

So it’s too bad there are no Gamaliel’s in the Russian government to tell those instigating the persecution of JWs to give it time to see whether the organization is from God or men. Acts 5:34-39
Maybe they have not learnt their lesson from their former ally, but in due time trust me they will.

Where is Hitler today?
Because in the EU Germany has the highest population of JWs when talking about the ratio of the number of German citizens to JWs in that country!

dappa71:


Mr Gambit23, your opinion is yours and yours alone so don’t project it to me.

What you’re unaware is that the Nazis tried doing the same thing during World War 2. Hitler vowed to exterminate Jehovah’s Witnesses yet decades later, Jehovah’s Witnesses held their international convention in the same stadium where Hitler made that declaration. Where is Hitler today? Where are Jehovah’s Witnesses today?
The latter kept on flourishing and today they number more than 164,000 in the same land where the worthless and useless Hitler declared their extermination. Meanwhile, Hitler is no where to be found, in fact his legacy is reprehensible!

So it’s too bad there are no Gamaliel’s in the Russian government to tell those instigating the persecution of JWs to give it time to see whether the organization is from God or men. Acts 5:34-39
Maybe they have not learnt their lesson from their former ally, but in due time trust me they will.