wirinet:


Also look into the implications of saying "Christianity permits incestuous rape", in relation to lots daughters getting their father drunk, raped him and got pregnant for him, all without his consent.

While at it, look into the implications of the bible supporting scam/419/yahoo yahoo, in relation to Jacob scamming their father Israel to steal Esau's birthright. Maybe that's where Hushpuppi got the inspiration to use deceit to steal millions of dollars from people.

The rampart misogyny starts when Eve is cloned out of Adam’s rib. An asinine idea when you know that human life is impossible without the nurtured in a womb.

The value of a woman is determined by her virginity. When Big Mo and the Israelites when on their genocidal rampage under the direction of “god”, the only survivors where the virgins. Christians will abuse Boko Haram for kidnapping teenage girls while ignoring that Boko Haram takes after their god’s heart. Virginity is so valued that even their god f#cked a virgin……..or maybe he sent his spirit………either way the virgin got pregnant.

And any Christian woman here needs to shut the f#ck up. Shout out to Timmy 2:12

Pelecius:

I thought I have explained what worldview mean
For Christians, the Bible largely shapes how a Christian see the world.
For an atheist, atheistic philosophy largely shapes how he see the world.
This concepts and philosophy is what I referred to as 'world'.

Part of such philosophy is what Dawkins expressed. So in essence, such philosophy which describes atheism was what I said would permit such ungodly acts. Of course, a self professing atheist may not follow the philosophy completely (reason I call many "wannabe atheists", but it doesn't change the philosophical ideas of atheism.


You seem to be looking for a way to equate worldview with worldview practitioners. But I think it's a futile effort, because it cannot work.

Ok so you are saying atheistic philosophy permits criminal acts?

wirinet:


Also look into the implications of saying "Christianity permits incestuous rape", in relation to lots daughters getting their father drunk, raped him and got pregnant for him, all without his consent.

While at it, look into the implications of the bible supporting scam/419/yahoo yahoo, in relation to Jacob scamming their father Israel to steal Esau's birthright. Maybe that's where Hushpuppi got the inspiration to use deceit to steal millions of dollars from people.

LMAO! Hushpuppi even invoked his god to fire anybody against him, that was hilarious.

LordReed:


LMAO! Hushpuppi even invoked his god to fire anybody against him, the was hilarious.

Subtle snakey.

Dear OP,

From your story, I can tell you are young and questioning everything you have been taught growing up. I too have gone through that phase.

I'm just here to tell you that eerything you're feeling and thinking about the faith that was thrusted on you by your parents and society is normal. Don't feel isolated nor let people guilt or frighten you into thinking you've chosen a path that is lonely and dangerous. There are so many people like you walking that path and we are doing just fine.

I left religion some years ago and started reading about other religions because I wanted to find the truth. I wanted to find God. I read almost anything from history to occultism to mysticism to Eastern religions to ancestral religions that illuminated my journey that I could get my hands on. At the end, I became Agnostic Atheist.

My biggest take away from everything thing I have learned while in the course of trying to find the truth is that God(at least the one worshipped in religions) exists in the mind. Yep! Quote me anywhere. I can say that anytime, anyday with my full chest. This explains the reason why Gods existence seems quite seemingly shrouded in mystery. It also explains why the efficacy of prayers are questionable. For example we know the no amount of prayers can regrow an amputated limb. It's very easy to link how prayers fail to produce objective results with the subjective realities undergirding the Gods responsible for answering these prayers.

One thing, I heard and still hear frequently from believers is how all I needed was an encounter. But don't be decieved, an encounter is always subjective. It only exists in your mind. Your mind only shows you what it has been fed. It's very unlikely that ur encounter with God would be Krishna or Sango. Have you ever wondered why your encounter with divinity always has to be the god/deity popular in the society you grew up? It's because it's all your mind knows. The reason I'm saying this is because it won't be unusual for you to experience this encounter having grown up in a very religious society as ours so knowing what you are experiencing would determine whether you will fall back into the traps of the indoctrination you are trying to free yourself from or resist it. Because to be honest, your mind will fight back hard! Because it's not really your mind, it's society's, it's your parents', until you take full ownership of it and mould it yourself into what you want for it.

Don't mind the threats they are throwing at you. If you check their lives, most of them are actually going through one problem or another. Most of them haven't read any other books than their religious texts and most of them are afraid of their gods. Fear us a tool that has been used to silence them from asking questions and conceiving the thought that a world in which people like you exists without suffering their God's wrath actually exists. Their world view is very narrow and so they are going to try and get you to see from it by resorting to threats.

Please equip yourself with knowledge, read extensively, it will help you in having confidence to defend your decisions.

Have a good day.

Ochelyko1:


To me am not against you not to be in any religion, but as far as the heaven and the Earth exit God is God and there is nothing u can do about it, what ever u think u are achieving now is all by his grace and nothing More.

One more thing christainity is not a religion but a life, u don't follow the religion of men and claim u don't like it. Follow Jesus who is the author and the finisher of ur faith only in him will u find rest and peace of mind.

Let me tell u bro u can't be neutral is either u are for God or for Satan simple no two ways about it.

Leave the religious men and their churches and know God for ur self.

One thing am always glad of and happy about is dat what ever you do here on Earth is already recorded in the Bible and no matter how ignorant u think u want to be at the last day of judgement is still these same Jesus that will still judge u and decide ur faith where to spend ur eternity.

Even demons and occultic people's knows that God and his son Jesus exit's and they are real.

I learned from occultism and my biggest takeaway was that all of that shit is all mind games

Pelecius:

I don't know what you practice before but some of us here have gone through the phase of unbelief before. I was in school then and was introduced to many info I don't know before.
It wasn't easy to just dismiss them, being the curious and inquisitive one right from childhood. But that curiosity made me search deeper and I got answers. It took months (few years actually), and an objective mind to drive through the tons of info for and against God to get to a conclusion.
Personal encounter did the remaining and I am forever grateful for his mercy.

I don't think you have done searching and counter searching before making conclusion, as your reasons are incompatible with what Christianity teaches in the first place (assuming you're a Christian), showing some form of inadequate knowledge.

And there's a difference between being religious and actually having a relationship with him.
Religious folks tend to be sort of antagonistic once you are not with them, but a follower of Christ is meant to LOVE whosoever

Ur personal encounter doesn't prove anything. It's all in your mind. Why can't someone in a remote island who's never heard of Jesus have a personal encounter with Jesus?

Chrisog:
My dear your decision is not right. Religion does not make one rich. God is your creator and you must worship and believe only in him. Bible says praying and having faith without work amounts to nothing. So as you pray to God you must also be hardworking for you to enjoy the fullness of life.
Coming to prayer issues; it is very necessary for your survival and your salvation. Ephesian 6:11 or thereabout Says" We no do wrestle against fresh and blood, but against principalities and power of darkness. So prayer is the only weapon of warfare against the devil. So I urge you not to give up on your faith in Christ.

A God who demands WORSHIP is in fact an a**hole.

phemmyfour:
Ignorance at its peak

Atheists in Western Europe live happier and longer than believers like you in Nigeria. You and the average Nigerian believer are more likely to die never knowing or experiencing what it feels like to live the good life despite the fact that much of your prayers centers on asking God to make better lives you all but the truth is most of you will die without ur prayers being answered. There's no guarantee that the OPs life would be happy and good but at least he won't waste his time chasing the wind by praying incessantly. I pity Africans who pray endlessly and still end up dying having lived mediocre lives. Imagine all the things; little things that might have brought them joy and happiness that they would have done with all that time they wasted praying. How sad

Deemystic:

Ur personal encounter doesn't prove anything. It's all in your mind. Why can't someone in a remote island who's never heard of Jesus have a personal encounter with Jesus?

Most of you lots are the same. You leave the moon and focus on the finger pointing to the moon.

Why not engage all my points one by one to keep it in context? You left the parts where I said that knowledge led me to Christ and encounter SEALED it.
Must you rip out of context in order to present a point?

Why can't someone in a remote island who's never heard of Jesus have a personal encounter with Jesus
The answer is that you don't know if anyone who haven't heard of Christ before have encountered him
You can't make a claim that it hasn't happened nor that it has happened.

Sorry pal, even with ripping statement out of context, you still don't have a point (as your question is almost rhetorical)

LordReed:


Ok so you are saying atheistic philosophy permits criminal acts?

Smiles

What's criminal acts in an ATHEISTIC WORLDVIEW? In a world of BLIND PITILESS INDIFFERENCE?

Deemystic:

Atheists in Western Europe live happier and longer than believers like you in Nigeria. You and the average Nigerian believer are more likely to die never knowing or experiencing what it feels like to live the good life despite the fact that much of your prayers centers on asking God to make better lives you all but the truth is most of you will die without ur prayers being answered. There's no guarantee that the OPs life would be happy and good but at least he won't waste his time chasing the wind by praying incessantly. I pity Africans who pray endlessly and still end up dying having lived mediocre lives. Imagine all the things; little things that might have brought them joy and happiness that they would have done with all that time they wasted praying. How sad

Ode!
What about believers in western Europe

Pelecius:

Smiles

What's criminal acts in an ATHEISTIC WORLDVIEW? In a world of BLIND PITILESS INDIFFERENCE?

Lol. It is strange that you get a kick out of the phrase “blind pitiless indifference” and find it “atheistic”.

The world has a “blind pitiless indifference” regardless of atheistic or theistic world view and it doesn’t have anything to do with morality or criminality. COVID—19 is part of the pitiless indifference of the world and so are things like Tsunamis. COVID does not recognize atheism or theism, if you’re not careful, you might contract it and die. A tsunami will crash into shore, cause damages, and kill people regardless if the people on shore are atheists or theists. That’s the blind pitiless indifference of the world. Your prayers and your god do not matter.
The sun doesn’t shine to give you light or give you skin cancer, it’s just an event that happens to sustain life. At least, that what it seems.

There’s a video circulating of a priest muttering that old mumbo jumbo called prayer in a church when an earthquake struck. Your god did not stop the earthquake from damaging the church nor did he stop the debris from smashing into the priest’s head. Sounds like a case of theistic pitiless indifference…….better yet impotence borne of nonexistence. No, earthquakes happen because of the movement of the earth’s crust and the earth’s crust is pitilessly indifferent about the priest, his prayers, his church, and his god.

phemmyfour:
Ode!
What about believers in western Europe

They started separating superstition from reason in the 17th century and they’ve progressed relative to other societies. When your religion held sway in Europe, they was strife, disease, ignorance, extortion, torture, and bloodshed all over Western Europe. They call that period the “dark ages”.

Ironically, some of them spread the Christian disease to Nigeria and I think it’s fair to say that Nigeria is stuck in the dark ages as Christianity and its Arab mongrel cousin hold sway.

phemmyfour:
Ode!
What about believers in western Europe

You mustn't be that bright to not have seen what is very clear. But let me point it out clearly. Believers and non-believer in Western Europe have a higher standard of living than believers and non-believers in Africa.
This is possible because Western Europe has a functioning govt not because of their level of religiousity or godliness. Going by the comments from religious fanatics here, threatening the OP with problem that will soon befall him, it is safe to conclude that unbelievers in Africa should be the ones who feel the brunt of our inept govt the most but we know that that the ineptitude of our govt is felt equally by both sides -- the unbeliever and believes.
So what this rather demonstrates is a negligence on not just unbelievers but on believers from a god the same believers claim ownership of and claims loves them and looks after them like a father looks after his children. This negligence is starkly indicting on what we are made to believe about this supposedly benevolent being because when you peel the layers away and get to the root of the pattern, what you are left with is a god whose care and kindness and attentionn is determined by the circumstances surrounding a person life; which family or country they are born into etc if the circumstances aren't favorable, this god abandons them example being the case of the average Nigerian who's at the mercy of our bad government rather than the God they endlessly and passionately pray and sing and extol adulations to.

Pelecius:

Most of you lots are the same. You leave the moon and focus on the finger pointing to the moon.

Why not engage all my points one by one to keep it in context? You left the parts where I said that knowledge led me to Christ and encounter SEALED it.
Must you rip out of context in order to present a point?



Why can't someone in a remote island who's never heard of Jesus have a personal encounter with Jesus
The answer is that you don't know if anyone who haven't heard of Christ before have encountered him
You can't make a claim that it hasn't happened nor that it has happened.

Sorry pal, even with ripping statement out of context, you still don't have a point (as your question is almost rhetorical)

I didn't need to engage your points one by one. I already saw the crux of everything you said and picked it out. In fact I didn't even read everything you wrote but just by you mentioning "encounter with Christ" I already knew where you are driving at and that place is a place I have been and seen it for what it really is -- an illusion.

The knowledge that led you to Christ is what prepared your mind for an encounter with him. I can bet my life that this encounter with him wasn't objective, it was subjective. They are always subjective. That's why God/Christ's existence is still been debated till today because a subjective encounter with Christ only exists in ur mind, it's not real for someone who has had an encounter with Amadioha or for a person whos had none.

If someone living in a remote village where no one knows Christ encounters Christ then there will be no need to take the Gospel of Christ to places where his gospel hasn't been heard.

Someone living in a remote island can't have an encounter with Christ. An encounter usually follows a pre-existing conscious or subconscious knowledge about him. If it's possible for someone in a remote island to have an encounter with him, link me to any piece where a tribe or person that had never heard of Christ encountered him already before they were preached the gospel and converted.

The idea of taking the gospel to people who haven't heard is so that it can be impressed upon on their minds until Christ becomes a reality to them.

Xtianity started 2000 years ago, it first reached Nigeria 400 years ago. So for 1600 years, no where in history is there mention of our ancestors encountering this Christ before the missionaries came. But in 2021, encounters with Christ stories have suddenly become replete. People are having visions, dreams, trances and hearing voices from Christ only after the missionaries have come and gone.

Pelecius:

Smiles

What's criminal acts in an ATHEISTIC WORLDVIEW? In a world of BLIND PITILESS INDIFFERENCE?

Blind pitiless indifference refers to the universe not to people. The people within the blind pitiless universe still need to survive and they have come to realise that cooperation is the way. This cooperation gives birth to morality and law thus lawless is not permitted in a cooperative society.

So you agree that you are saying atheistic philosophy permits criminal acts?

LordReed:


Blind pitiless indifference refers to the universe not to people. The people within the blind pitiless universe still need to survive and they have come to realise that cooperation is the way. This cooperation gives birth to morality and law thus lawless is not permitted in a cooperative society.

So you agree that you are saying atheistic philosophy permits criminal acts?

Let me put it more in context, since you said earlier that you don't have problem with what he said.
The universe we observe has at its bottom no design, no purpose, no evil and no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference. … DNA neither knows nor cares. DNA just is. And we dance to its music
In such thinking, humans are part of (the product of) this universe of no GOOD OR EVIL. And Just like bacteria, they have DNA which NEITHER KNOWS NOR CARES (that is, still blind and indifferent).

I leave that to you to make your conclusion

Pelecius:

Let me put it more in context, since you said earlier that you don't have problem with what he said.
The universe we observe has at its bottom no design, no purpose, no evil and no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference. … DNA neither knows nor cares. DNA just is. And we dance to its music
In such thinking, humans are part of (the product of) this universe of no GOOD OR EVIL. And Just like bacteria, they have DNA which NEITHER KNOWS NOR CARES (that is, still blind and indifferent).

I leave that to you to make your conclusion

You still aren't answering the question, is it your summation that atheistic philosophy permits criminal acts? Because that is what I conclude unless you mean something else.

Deemystic:

I didn't need to engage your points one by one. I already saw the crux of everything you said and picked it out. In fact I didn't even read everything you wrote but just by you mentioning "encounter with Christ" I already knew where you are driving at and that place is a place I have been and seen it for what it really is -- an illusion.

The knowledge that led you to Christ is what prepared your mind for an encounter with him. I can bet my life that this encounter with him wasn't objective, it was subjective. They are always subjective. That's why God/Christ's existence is still been debated till today because a subjective encounter with Christ only exists in ur mind, it's not real for someone who has had an encounter with Amadioha or for a person whos had none.

If someone living in a remote village where no one knows Christ encounters Christ then there will be no need to take the Gospel of Christ to places where his gospel hasn't been heard.

Someone living in a remote island can't have an encounter with Christ. An encounter usually follows a pre-existing conscious or subconscious knowledge about him. If it's possible for someone in a remote island to have an encounter with him, link me to any piece where a tribe or person that had never heard of Christ encountered him already before they were preached the gospel and converted.

The idea of taking the gospel to people who haven't heard is so that it can be impressed upon on their minds until Christ becomes a reality to them.

Xtianity started 2000 years ago, it first reached Nigeria 400 years ago. So for 1600 years, no where in history is there mention of our ancestors encountering this Christ before the missionaries came. But in 2021, encounters with Christ stories have suddenly become replete. People are having visions, dreams, trances and hearing voices from Christ only after the missionaries have come and gone.

I didn't need to engage your points one by one. I already saw the crux of everything you said and picked it out. In fact I didn't even read everything you wrote but just by you mentioning "encounter with Christ" I already knew where you are driving at and that place is a place I have been and seen it for what it really is -- an illusion.
Of course, your opinion and disdain for what you understood with the word encounter must have made you think I was talking about visions or dreams of seeing Jesus. Hence, you assume that it's a place you've been and label it illusion.
You built all your arguments on this assumption which is obviously wrong.
Of course, any form of encounter is subjective, it cannot be repeated (reason I wonder how you've been there. Lol)
A change in heart, doing what you can't do before and ceasing to do some things which are contrary to the will of God was what I referred to.
Now, we need to check your definition of ILLUSION. LOL

The knowledge that led you to Christ is what prepared your mind for an encounter with him.
Now that I have explained what I meant with encounter, this your statement becomes invalid.
Why not dwell on the knowledge? After all, knowledge led you to the belief of there's no God (though in changing ground, atheists have tried to redefine it as lack of belief in God, to remove burden of prove. How cowardly?).

I can bet my life that this encounter with him wasn't objective, it was subjective. They are always subjective. That's why God/Christ's existence is still been debated till today because a subjective encounter with Christ only exists in ur mind, it's not real for someone who has had an encounter with Amadioha or for a person whos had none
Again, this is not your definition of seeing Jesus. It's unfortunate that you built so much on a wrong premise. This could have been avoided if you had not allow emotions to judge but calmly try to understand what I was driving at. I went on to explain that he should seek knowledge, as I didn't ask him to seek encounter.

Isn't it funny that you claim that Christ existence is debated BECAUSE of the subjective nature of encounter? How does Christ existence depend on encounter? I laugh more when I see wannabe atheists trying to debate the existence of Christ, showing that it's just their wishes. They reject him (as a belief system of theirs) and then begin to look for evidence to prove it.

Someone living in a remote island can't have an encounter with Christ. An encounter usually follows a pre-existing conscious or subconscious knowledge about him. If it's possible for someone in a remote island to have an encounter with him, link me to any piece where a tribe or person that had never heard of Christ encountered him already before they were preached the gospel and converted.
Your first statements cannot be taken as absolute. You don't have all the knowledge, so you can't make a claim.
Secondly, absence of evidence is not the evidence of it's absence.

Lastly, even if it was reported that what you want happened (using your definition of encounter), you would still scoff at it because you already BELIEVE that it's impossible. And explain it away as hallucinations or any other thing.

Xtianity started 2000 years ago, it first reached Nigeria 400 years ago. So for 1600 years, no where in history is there mention of our ancestors encountering this Christ before the missionaries came. But in 2021, encounters with Christ stories have suddenly become replete. People are having visions, dreams, trances and hearing voices from Christ only after the missionaries have come and gone.
Like I said earlier, absence of evidence is not same as evidence of it's absence. You don't have ALL knowledge.
Also, how many history has your ancestors kept? How many things do you know about your ancestors, if you want to appeal to them keeping history?
Again, what would be the reaction or how would they have explained such incident (I am just using your definition this time, though I explained what I meant earlier)?

Lastly, the knowledge of the missionaries would set the tone to explain whatever anyone sees. As you wouldn't know what it means if you don't have a prior knowledge.
It takes a Paleontologist (trained with knowledge) to recognize a fossil, else, another person will just wonder and probably leave it.

LordReed:


You still aren't answering the question, is it your summation that atheistic philosophy permits criminal acts? Because that is what I conclude unless you mean something else.

I already explained that there's nothing called CRIMINAL ACTS in an atheistic worldview because there's no absolute morality which can be logically derived from the implications of such philosophy. This implies that what we call ungodly acts is neither wrong nor right, hence, is just it.
That was why I said that such worldview doesn't eschew what we call ungodly acts.

CALCULUS16:

See you
I'm verse in this aspect of the cognitive quality. Thinking has not solved more problems, mind has solved more problems cos its the universe library mind produces thought, a very subtle form of energy, mind has also created so much problem through this thought, its the one behind you disagreeing to some vital facts in life, I understand the body mind intellect mechanism of the soul so well, we are all just consciousness just like phones and other devices are connected to same radiations, we have power of the intellect to decide or to accept the decision made by the mind, see that MInd or thought you can call up yourself is indeed a form of vibration or energy obtained from how your sense organs perceived the environment and make senses out of them, I don't need to think until problem arises, thinking is a natural phenomenon, if u don't think you gonna stink, we receive supernatural inflow of divine thought when we surrender to the creator of this illusory world than trying to be smarter than Him.
I have read Sanskrit, I have read Quran and likewise Bible, for me I surrender all to the One in all Creation. Though I don't believe in religions dogmas and doctrines, I don't see any meanings in them, even in atheist philosophy, I created my own philosophy about life myself which is-feel good, do good and be good. I practice religion cos I believe in prayers which are words (positive energy) u send to the universe or God and He sends you what you request.

What is "atheist philosophy? "

KnownUnknown:


Lol. It is strange that you get a kick out of the phrase “blind pitiless indifference” and find it “atheistic”.

The world has a “blind pitiless indifference” regardless of atheistic or theistic world view and it doesn’t have anything to do with morality or criminality. COVID—19 is part of the pitiless indifference of the world and so are things like Tsunamis. COVID does not recognize atheism or theism, if you’re not careful, you might contract it and die. A tsunami will crash into shore, cause damages, and kill people regardless if the people on shore are atheists or theists. That’s the blind pitiless indifference of the world. Your prayers and your god do not matter.
The sun doesn’t shine to give you light or give you skin cancer, it’s just an event that happens to sustain life. At least, that what it seems.

There’s a video circulating of a priest muttering that old mumbo jumbo called prayer in a church when an earthquake struck. Your god did not stop the earthquake from damaging the church nor did he stop the debris from smashing into the priest’s head. Sounds like a case of theistic pitiless indifference…….better yet impotence borne of nonexistence. No, earthquakes happen because of the movement of the earth’s crust and the earth’s crust is pitilessly indifferent about the priest, his prayers, his church, and his god.

Context is always important in discussion. I definitely get what you are saying, but you seem not to understand mine.
I wasn't just talking about forces of nature, rather, the world (universe) and everything in it.

Refer to my discussion with reed to get the context.

Pelecius:

I already explained that there's nothing called CRIMINAL ACTS in an atheistic worldview because there's no absolute morality which can be logically derived from the implications of such philosophy. This implies that what we call ungodly acts is neither wrong nor right, hence, is just it.
That was why I said that such worldview doesn't eschew what we call ungodly acts.

Wrong. There are wrongdoings in "atheistic worldview."

A lot of laws and entire constitution in many countries in the world today are based on secular values.

Which is at least 100000x better than the so-called "morals" in religious books where slavery is endorsed (Bible and Quran), rape is allowed, ethnic cleansing and killing of children oppression of women rights (Bible and Quran), and all other sorts of horrible sh*t in all the supposedly moral religious books.

Bacteriologist:


Wrong. There are wrongdoings in "atheistic worldview."

A lot of laws and entire constitution in many countries in the world today are based on secular values.

Which is at least 100000x better than the so-called "morals" in religious books where slavery is endorsed (Bible and Quran), rape is allowed, ethnic cleansing and killing of children oppression of women rights (Bible and Quran), and all other sorts of horrible sh*t in all the supposedly moral religious books.

Emotional rants

Who defines what's right or wrong? Why should one's good be acceptable?

If some laws are based on secular values, what determines that those laws are "good"?

Deep things that has no place emotional rants. Don't be a wannabe, understand what atheism entails. It's more than rejecting God

Pelecius:

Isn't it funny that you claim that Christ existence is debated BECAUSE of the subjective nature of encounter? How does Christ existence depend on encounter? I laugh more when I see wannabe atheists trying to debate the existence of Christ, showing that it's just their wishes. They reject him (as a belief system of theirs) and then begin to look for evidence to prove it.

If Jesus exists then the subjective nature of encounter won't matter however we are yet to see an objective encounter which is what happens with real things. Dreams as opposed to a written work of fiction for instance, both are fantasies but one is in a tangible form while the other is not. One can claim anything about their dreams, there'd be no way to verify the truth of what you say about your dreams.

Someone living in a remote island can't have an encounter with Christ. An encounter usually follows a pre-existing conscious or subconscious knowledge about him. If it's possible for someone in a remote island to have an encounter with him, link me to any piece where a tribe or person that had never heard of Christ encountered him already before they were preached the gospel and converted.
Your first statements cannot be taken as absolute. You don't have all the knowledge, so you can't make a claim.
Secondly, absence of evidence is not the evidence of it's absence.

Lastly, even if it was reported that what you want happened (using your definition of encounter), you would still scoff at it because you already BELIEVE that it's impossible. And explain it away as hallucinations or any other thing.

On the converse there is no evidence that anyone had an encounter with Jesus before they were preached to. So is it that the Jesus would not be able to show himself to someone who has not been preached to and explain himself properly? Is that not what would happen if Jesus was real and objective?

Xtianity started 2000 years ago, it first reached Nigeria 400 years ago. So for 1600 years, no where in history is there mention of our ancestors encountering this Christ before the missionaries came. But in 2021, encounters with Christ stories have suddenly become replete. People are having visions, dreams, trances and hearing voices from Christ only after the missionaries have come and gone.
Like I said earlier, absence of evidence is not same as evidence of it's absence. You don't have ALL knowledge.
Also, how many history has your ancestors kept? How many things do you know about your ancestors, if you want to appeal to them keeping history?
Again, what would be the reaction or how would they have explained such incident (I am just using your definition this time, though I explained what I meant earlier)?

Lastly, the knowledge of the missionaries would set the tone to explain whatever anyone sees. As you wouldn't know what it means if you don't have a prior knowledge.
It takes a Paleontologist (trained with knowled119) to recognize a fossil, else, another person will just wonder and probably leave it.

Again why does an objective existing Jesus need other people to explain him why can't he explain himself?

Pelecius:

I already explained that there's nothing called CRIMINAL ACTS in an atheistic worldview because there's no absolute morality which can be logically derived from the implications of such philosophy. This implies that what we call ungodly acts is neither wrong nor right, hence, is just it.
That was why I said that such worldview doesn't eschew what we call ungodly acts.

And I explained to you that the law is the outcome of people cooperating so that even if the universe doesn't care we the people in the universe do. To say that atheistic philosophy does not recognise criminal acts is wrong. Atheistic philosophy recognises that the universe does not care and doesn't make a judgement on any action but it also recognises morality is an outcropping of the people who do care.

Pelecius:

Emotional rants

Who defines what's right or wrong? Why should one's good be acceptable?

If some laws are based on secular values, what determines that those laws are "good"?

Deep things that has no place emotional rants. Don't be a wannabe, understand what atheism entails. It's more than rejecting God

Wrong dumbass. Your writeup looks like it was written by an intern Christian apologist.

I will explain to you what atheism entails. Atheism is simply a rejection of the god claim.

Theist: "god exists."
Atheist: "I don't believe you."

Simple. Read that conversation as many times as it takes you to finally understand it.

If we are both handed a sheet of paper right now and asked to write what we think is right and wrong. I'm sure we would both write some things as right. And some things as wrong. That's the sweet spot of human consciousness, despite different beliefs, we can still agree on some basic concepts of morality. No god needed at all.

Also, have you ever heard of the word consensus? Of course not, you haven't. That's how secular laws are made. Arguments are made for and against certain regulations. And the one that sits with majority of the group/people is passed. Which explains why alcohol was once illegal but now is. Same with marijuana and the abolishment of death penalty increasingly becoming legal in many countries.

In fact, that is how the Bible you hold dear was compiled except it was a far less rigorous process. Men like you literally voted for which books to include in the present day bible. And left out some other books.

You wouldn't know that. Since you're likely still a baby Christian trying to ace your apologia class.

Man made god. And man had morals before he made God. Therefore, morality exists without God. Period.

Deemystic:

I learned from occultism and my biggest takeaway was that all of that shit is all mind games

That's is bro, even them knows and believe that there is Jesus Christ and there is God but they refer to them as white Spirit or white Angel. I pray the Holy Spirit direct u and open ur mind and eyes to know what is the hope of his calling.

Pelecius:

Emotional rants

Who defines what's right or wrong? Why should one's good be acceptable?

If some laws are based on secular values, what determines that those laws are "good"?

People have always been the ones determining what is good and bad with the baseline being survival. Even all the religious books were written by men.

Deep things that has no place emotional rants. Don't be a wannabe, understand what atheism entails. It's more than rejecting God

Really? Please do tell, what more does atheism entail?

Pelecius:

Let me put it more in context, since you said earlier that you don't have problem with what he said.
The universe we observe has at its bottom no design, no purpose, no evil and no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference. … DNA neither knows nor cares. DNA just is. And we dance to its music
In such thinking, humans are part of (the product of) this universe of no GOOD OR EVIL. And Just like bacteria, they have DNA which NEITHER KNOWS NOR CARES (that is, still blind and indifferent).

I leave that to you to make your conclusion

Gbam! That's is a truism that can only be revealed through attaining Buddhahood - enlightenment. The universe just is. It does not care about anyone or anything. It just trod along according to its own dictates. That the universe revolves around a single puny individual on a puny village in a puny planet revolving around a puny sun in a puny galaxy is the epitome of egocentricism. The secret to success is to tune in and flow with the ebb and flow of the Universe.

LordReed:


If Jesus exists then the subjective nature of encounter won't matter however we are yet to see an objective encounter which is what happens with real things. Dreams as opposed to a written work of fiction for instance, both are fantasies but one is in a tangible form while the other is not. One can claim anything about their dreams, there'd be no way to verify the truth of what you say about your dreams.



On the converse there is no evidence that anyone had an encounter with Jesus before they were preached to. So is it that the Jesus would not be able to show himself to someone who has not been preached to and explain himself properly? Is that not what would happen if Jesus was real and objective?



Again why does an objective existing Jesus need other people to explain him why can't he explain himself?

Sorry, your first paragraph has nothing to do with the crux of my discussion. I'm not interested in discussing another thing. I have a lot to respond to already


This is your criteria. Nothing suggest that your criteria for determining reality of Jesus MUST be followed. Like I always say, even if it is met, you'd still either dismiss it or create another (because you already reject it a priori)


Again, you don't set the standard. Cos you can change it if it is met. (Atheism revisionist definition is a good example of how standard can be changed)