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Re: Archangel Michael Is Not Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:39am On Aug 25, 2021
KNOWMORE56:
"...There is no group or church that can save you if there was then the death of Jesus is in vain..."[/b]He (maxInDHouse) has made his organization an idol. He has severally wanted to drag others into the same idolatry by asking SHOW ME A BETTER PERFORMING GROUP...
but we know ( we are not assuming, we are not thinking) that [b] THERE IS NO OTHER NAME ON EARTH THAT CAN SAVE THE SINNER, ONLY THE NAME JESUS!
*. Acts 4:12 "KJV: Neither is there salvation in any other : for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."

I will respond to you in their behalf because i don't want to chat with any of these faithless people so read this and respond if you still have something tangible to say! smiley

Orderliness is the key to pure worship!

JEHOVAH our God is the God of Orderliness so both in heaven and on earth all His children are well organized and orderly. All the angels in heaven are united under one Commader in Chief known as archangel Michael but on earth God's people are not united because Satan has been causing confusion in the midst of God's people (Israel)
Now this is our history!
Abraham was our great grandfather (by Faith) and Jacob's descendants got the blessing to serve as the means of salvation for the entire human race. But there is one thing Jehovah cherishes in people from other nations: who ever proved to be loyal to His plan will be rewarded greatly. Many like Rahab (from Jericho) Ruth (moabite woman) were none Israelites who proved to be loyal to God's plan and Jehovah abundantly blessed these people. How? JEHOVAH made sure that their names were included in His memory book in fact both women became the great grandmothers of Jesus. So there's no way Jesus will resurrect people without these two women included! Matthew 1:5

JEHOVAH said David is a man according to His own heart. WHY? Because David proved to be loyal to a fault! Jehovah's servant Samuel anointed Saul as King over Israel and later Saul became a nuisance even killing priests in the house of God! But what about David? Even though David knew that Saul's anointing has been cancelled because the same Samuel anointed David as the next King of Israel while Saul is still alive. David remain loyal and obedient to Jehovah's anointed King!
He was never presumptuous thinking he could take the position until JEHOVAH destroyed Saul by Himself, David kept honouring Saul as King over God's people!

What about Jesus (the greater David)?
Jesus remain submissive to God's arrangement, he continue to worship with other Jews in the Temple even though he knew that the Jewish religious system is heading to it's end, Jesus told his audience:

Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to his disciples, saying: “The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the seat of Moses. Therefore, all the things they tell you, do and observe, but do not do according to their deeds, for they say but they do not practice what they say. Matthew 23:1-3

So Jesus kept obeying the old covenant until he has accomplished all what is required to establish a new Covenant {John 19:30} after Jesus' death JEHOVAH condemned the physical Temple arrangement {Matthew 27:51} this is a sign that what Jesus said about the Temple:

Therefore, in response the Jews said to him: “What sign can you show us, since you are doing these things?” Jesus replied to them: “Tear down this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. John 2:18-19

Has been fulfilled! Ever since then Jesus ceased to step his feet into the temple until his departure to heaven. Now the New Temple is the congregation (church) of God about which Jesus knelt down on his feet and begged JEHOVAH to use His holy spirit to unite all those that come into this New Temple one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers having the same line of thought! John 17:20-23 compare to 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3

So as the Commader in Chief of all the armies in heaven Archangel Michael (Jesus Christ) has also become the Commader in Chief of all the armies of God's Organization on planet earth {Matthew 28:18} therefore whatever makes you people differ in beliefs shows that you're no part of the New Temple under the Newly established Covenant. Luke 11:23

That's why i keep asking you people to PRESENT a better performing GROUP of people PRACTICING pure worship (Christianity) than JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

May you have PEACE! smiley
Re: Archangel Michael Is Not Jesus Christ by Bishopkingsley(m):
1 Corinthians 12:13
For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—Jews or Greeks, slaves or free—and all were made to drink of one Spirit.

Acts 2:38
And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Acts 1:8
But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”

Acts 1:5
For John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.”

Matthew 3:11
“I baptize you with water for repentance, but he who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

Luke 3:16
John answered them all, saying, “I baptize you with water, but he who is mightier than I is coming, the strap of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire.

Acts 4:31
And when they had prayed, the place in which they were gathered together was shaken, and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and continued to speak the word of God with boldness.

1 Peter 3:21
Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

John 3:5
Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

There are over one hundred verse in the scriptures about the baptism of the Holy Spirit which is the body of Christ
We can not break the scriptures because of your sinful heart desires

Search the whole earth there is no one like Jesus from eternity to eternity no name will save you apart from Jesus and God made it in such a way that you can stay in your house and receive Jesus and equally be baptized into this same spirit of God

You must believe what the scriptures says until you surrender to Jesus and give him your will then he will give you himself

You must admit he is your lord God and Savior you must completely ask him to take control of your life to be your only true God Almighty Jesus paid the price to redeem man he paid the ultimate sacrifice

No one can deliver you Jesus is the way the truth and the life once you accept Jesus as your lord God and Savior he will begin to reveal himself to you one on one

You will no longer need any one because the Bible will become alive to you he will show you things to come and he will guide you into all truth

The body of Christ is one flesh we all drank from the holy spirit of God Almighty and we keep drinking from the spirit of God

Romans 10:14-15
14 But how can they call on him to save them unless they believe in him? And how can they believe in him if they have never heard about him? And how can they hear about him unless someone tells them? 15 And how will anyone go and tell them without being sent? That is why the Scriptures say, “How beautiful are the feet of messengers who bring good news!

This is the good news this is how to belong to God it is a spiritual process which God does by himself to belong to this body of Christ you must it not a suggestion rather a commandment

You must accept Jesus as your lord God Almighty and your Savior
Re: Archangel Michael Is Not Jesus Christ by Bishopkingsley(m): 11:40am On Aug 25, 2021
Acts 8:14-20

Now when the apostles at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent to them Peter and John, who came down and prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit, for he had not yet fallen on any of them, but they had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Then they laid their hands on them and they received the Holy Spirit. Now when Simon saw that the Spirit was given through the laying on of the apostles' hands, he offered them money, ...

Acts 10:1-48

At Caesarea there was a man named Cornelius, a centurion of what was known as the Italian Cohort, a devout man who feared God with all his household, gave alms generously to the people, and prayed continually to God. About the ninth hour of the day he saw clearly in a vision an angel of God come in and say to him, “Cornelius.” And he stared at him in terror and said, “What is it, Lord?” And he said to him, “Your prayers and your alms have ascended as a memorial before God. And now send men to Joppa and bring one Simon who is called Peter. ...

Acts 19:1-7

And it happened that while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul passed through the inland country and came to Ephesus. There he found some disciples. And he said to them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?” And they said, “No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit.” And he said, “Into what then were you baptized?” They said, “Into John's baptism.” And Paul said, “John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in the one who was to come after him, that is, Jesus.” On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. ...

Matthew 3:13-17

Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to John, to be baptized by him. John would have prevented him, saying, “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?” But Jesus answered him, “Let it be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.” Then he consented. And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him; and behold, a voice from heaven said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.”

Acts 2:2-4

And suddenly there came from heaven a sound like a mighty rushing wind, and it filled the entire house where they were sitting. And divided tongues as of fire appeared to them and rested on each one of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance.

1 John 3:24

Whoever keeps his commandments abides in God, and God in him. And by this we know that he abides in us, by the Spirit whom he has given us.

Romans 15:13

May the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, so that by the power of the Holy Spirit you may abound in hope.

John 14:16-17

And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever, even the Spirit of truth, whom the w

Revelation 1:1-20

The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, who bore witness to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw. Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear, and who keep what is written in it, for the time is near. John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace from him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven spirits who are before his throne, and from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood ...

Acts 10:38

How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power. He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for G
Re: Archangel Michael Is Not Jesus Christ by Bishopkingsley(m): 11:42am On Aug 25, 2021
John 7:39

Now this he said about the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were to receive, for as yet the Spirit had not been given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

Joel 2:28-29

“And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh; your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, and your young men shall see visions. Even on the male and female servants in those days I will pour out my Spirit.

Acts 10:44-46

While Peter was still saying these things, the Holy Spirit fell on all who heard the word. And the believers from among the circumcised who had come with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit was poured out even on the Gentiles. For they were hearing them speaking in tongues and extolling God. Then Peter declared,

Acts 4:8

Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them, “Rulers of the people and elders,

Acts 19:4

And Paul said, “John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in the one who was to come after him, that is, Jesus.”

Acts 8:17

Then they laid their hands on them and they received the Holy Spirit.

Acts 10:44

While Peter was still saying these things, the Holy Spirit fell on all who heard the word.

Acts 2:39

For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.”

Ephesians 1:13

In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,

Romans 6:1-23

What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it? Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life. For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his.
Re: Archangel Michael Is Not Jesus Christ by Janosky: 11:59am On Aug 25, 2021
Bishopkingsley:
1 Corinthians 12:13
For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—Jews or Greeks, slaves or free—and all were made to drink of one Spirit.

Acts 2:38
And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Acts 1:8
But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”

Acts 1:5
For John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.”

Matthew 3:11
“I baptize you with water for repentance, but he who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

Luke 3:16
John answered them all, saying, “I baptize you with water, but he who is mightier than I is coming, the strap of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire.

Acts 4:31
And when they had prayed, the place in which they were gathered together was shaken, and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and continued to speak the word of God with boldness.

1 Peter 3:21
Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

John 3:5
Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

There are over one hundred verse in the scriptures about the baptism of the Holy Spirit which is the body of Christ
We can not break the scriptures because of your sinful heart desires

Search the whole earth there is no one like Jesus from eternity to eternity no name will save you apart from Jesus and God made it in such a way that you can stay in your house and receive Jesus and equally be baptized into this same spirit of God

You must believe what the scriptures says until you surrender to Jesus and give him your will then he will give you himself

You must admit he is your lord God and Savior you must completely ask him to take control of your life to be your only true God Almighty Jesus paid the price to redeem man he paid the ultimate sacrifice

No one can deliver you Jesus is the way the truth and the life once you accept Jesus and your lord God and Savior he will begin to reveal himself to you one on one

You will no longer need any one because the Bible will become alive to you he will show you things to come and he will guide you into all truth

The body of Christ is one flesh we all drank from the holy spirit of God Almighty

Romans 10:14-15
14 But how can they call on him to save them unless they believe in him? And how can they believe in him if they have never heard about him? And how can they hear about him unless someone tells them? 15 And how will anyone go and tell them without being sent? That is why the Scriptures say, “How beautiful are the feet of messengers who bring good news!

This is the good news this is how to belong to God it is a spiritual process which God does by himself to belong to this body of Christ you must it not a suggestion rather a commandment

You must accept Jesus as your lord God Almighty and your Savior
John 20:17 John and Jesus says Jesus is NOT God Almighty.
Continue DECEIVING yourself.
Re: Archangel Michael Is Not Jesus Christ by Janosky: 12:05pm On Aug 25, 2021
KNOWMORE56:

"...There is no group or church that can save you if there was then the death of Jesus is in vain..."


He (maxInDHouse) has made his organization an idol.

He has severally wanted to drag others into the same idolatry by asking SHOW ME A BETTER PERFORMING GROUP...

but we know ( we are not assuming, we are not thinking) that THERE IS NO OTHER NAME ON EARTH THAT CAN SAVE THE SINNER, ONLY THE NAME JESUS!

*. Acts 4:12 "KJV: Neither is there salvation in any other : for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."
Acts 15:14,17 only the group of people bearing his Father's name will be saved.

John 17:6-7, John 20:17, did Jesus teach you his God & Father owns the group that will be saved?

Continue DECEIVING yourself. grin
Re: Archangel Michael Is Not Jesus Christ by Janosky: 12:10pm On Aug 25, 2021
Emusan:
I know you can't help your Ponzi scheme brother here and the thing really put sand for una garri grin cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy
Afterall your rants upandan since 19gbidigbidi, you have no ZERO proof.
grin grin grin grin
Re: Archangel Michael Is Not Jesus Christ by Bishopkingsley(m): 12:13pm On Aug 25, 2021
Janosky:
John 20:17 John and Jesus says Jesus is NOT God Almighty.
Continue DECEIVING yourself.
Jesus said many times I am he
Meaning am God Almighty
But you can't understand this little things because it already hidden from you
Re: Archangel Michael Is Not Jesus Christ by Janosky:
sagenaija:
Another Deceit of Jehovah's Witnesses
Since JW believe that Jesus is only an angel and deny his deity they have to twist the portions of scriptures where God is said to have paid for man's sin with his blood.

So, still engaging in their DOGMA-INFLUENCED approach to translation to render Acts 20:28 Instead of following the Greek which will result in it being worded as:
Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.
Acts 20:28 NIV

They render the verse as: "Pay attention to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the holy spirit has appointed you overseers, to shepherd the congregation of God, which he purchased with the blood of his own Son.

Because if they use the Greek construct of "his own blood" it will puncture their position of Jesus as Archangel Michael, they switch that part to: "the blood of his own Son".

The word "Son" is just NOT THERE in the Greek. Putting it there happens when a person or group approach God's word on the basis of their preconceived theological leanings. This is what the Jehovah's Witnesses have done here.

Can MaxinDHouse, janosky and DappaD tell us where "Son" came from to enter into the picture here.

If a group can be so DECEITFUL and disingenuous here what else can't they twist to conform to their DOGMA?

Cc:
Bishopkingsley, freshboi88, Emusan, archorladey, awitness41,
Which theologian defends the Trinity more than Bible Scholar,Bill Mounce?

[i]@ Acts 20:20, Trinitarian Scholar & devotee, Bill Mounce did exactly the same thing as NWT.
@ Acts 20:28, Mounce Reverse Interlinear New Testament reads " the blood of his son."

What is the "perceived theological leanings" of Bill Mounce & your fellow Trinitarian devotees who agreed with NWT ?


Did Sagenaija tell this forum that his fellow Trinitarian devotees agree that NWT is correct?
Emphatic no!

Sagenaija is always biased, peddling one sided misleading post lacking objectivity.
Sagenaija, dump your fictitious DOGMA theory into the dustbin.[/i]
Bros, Throw that your fictitious claim into the Sewage dump.

grin grin grin grin

Re: Archangel Michael Is Not Jesus Christ by Janosky:
Janosky:
Which theologian defends the Trinity more than Bible Scholar,Bill Mounce?

@ Acts 20:20, Trinitarian Scholar & devotee, Bill Mounce did exactly the same thing as NWT.
@ Acts 20:28, Mounce Greek interlinear reads " the blood of his son."

What is the"perceived theological leanings of Bill Mounce & your fellow Trinitarian devotees who agreed with NWT ?

Sagenaija, dump your fictitious DOGMA theory into the dustbin.
Bros, Throw that your fictitious claim into the Sewage dump.
Source:Quora
By :Arthur Paul Burton, Spiritual Minister.

you can read the “New World Translation” which is put out by the Watchtower here: https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/acts/20/

Here is their explanation for including the word “Son” when that exact word does not appear in the Greek.

“with the blood of his own Son: Lit., “through the blood of the own (one).” Grammatically, the Greek expression could be translated “with the blood of his own” or “with his own blood,” so the context has to be taken into consideration.

In Greek, the expression ho iʹdi·os (“his own”) could stand alone without a clarifying noun or pronoun, as seen by how it is rendered at Joh 1:11 (“his own home”); at Joh 13:1 (“his own”); at Ac 4:23 (“their own people”); and at Ac 24:23 (“his people”). In non-Biblical Greek papyri, the phrase is used as a term of endearment to refer to close relatives. A reader of this verse would logically understand from the context that a noun in the singular number is implied after the expression “his own” and that the noun referred to God’s only-begotten Son, Jesus Christ, whose blood was shed. Based on this, quite a number of scholars and translators acknowledge that the word “son” is to be understood here and render the phrase “with the blood of his own Son.”

As you can see, the Watchtower is not the only one to translate it that way.

It is their view and some other translators views, that there is a family relation implied in the Greek.


However, let’s say the The Watchtower understanding is correct, that the Greek for “his own” implies a close relation, even a family relation.

In their notes they acknowledge that it literally doesn’t say “son” but “His own (one).”

I respect that honesty! [/i]They say- here is what it literally says, and here is what we think the literal meaning is pointing towards.[/b]

[i]Then from my POV including son, is not 100% accurate… but leaving it just as “his own” isn’t either.

I would say, “His own kin.”

Re: Archangel Michael Is Not Jesus Christ by freshboi88: 12:36pm On Aug 25, 2021
Janosky:
Which theologian defends the Trinity more than Bible Scholar,Bill Mounce?

@ Acts 20:20, Trinitarian Scholar & devotee, Bill Mounce did exactly the same thing as NWT.
@ Acts 20:28, Mounce Greek interlinear reads " the blood of his son."

What is the"perceived theological leanings of Bill Mounce & your fellow Trinitarian devotees who agreed with NWT ?

Did Sagenaija tell this forum that his fellow Trinitarian devotees agree that NWT is correct?
No, because his very biased and lacks objectivity.
Sagenaija, dump your fictitious DOGMA theory into the dustbin.

Bros, Throw that your fictitious claim into the Sewage dump.
John 21:17 The third time he said to him, “Simon son of John, do you love me?” Peter was hurt because Jesus asked him the third time, “Do you love me?” He said, “Lord, you know all things; you know that I love you.” Jesus said, “Feed my sheep.

Is Jesus all knowing just as Jehovah is all knowing?
Re: Archangel Michael Is Not Jesus Christ by Bishopkingsley(m): 12:37pm On Aug 25, 2021
Romans 10:14-15
14 But how can they call on him to save them unless they believe in him?


The him there is Jesus Christ of Nazareth the one true God Almighty

The only one to believe in
The him to believe in

If you don't believe him

You won't be saved
Re: Archangel Michael Is Not Jesus Christ by Janosky: 12:47pm On Aug 25, 2021
freshboi88:
John 21:17 The third time he said to him, “Simon son of John, do you love me?” Peter was hurt because Jesus asked him the third time, “Do you love me?” He said, “Lord, you know all things; you know that I love you.” Jesus said, “Feed my sheep.

Is Jesus all knowing just as Jehovah is all knowing?
Matthew 24:36
Jesus Christ proven Fresh WAILER lacks SENSE

grin grin cheesy
Re: Archangel Michael Is Not Jesus Christ by Janosky: 12:48pm On Aug 25, 2021
Bishopkingsley:
Romans 10:14-15
14 But how can they call on him to save them unless they believe in him?


The him there is Jesus Christ of Nazareth the one true God Almighty

The only one to believe in
The him to believe in

If you don't believe him

You won't be saved
John and Jesus Christ says @ John 20:17, Bishop dump your GIBBERISH into the dustbin.
grin
Re: Archangel Michael Is Not Jesus Christ by Bishopkingsley(m): 12:59pm On Aug 25, 2021
Janosky:
John and Jesus Christ says @ John 20:17, Bishop dump your GIBBERISH into the dustbin.
grin
JOHN 20:28

28 And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!
Re: Archangel Michael Is Not Jesus Christ by Janosky: 1:06pm On Aug 25, 2021
Bishopkingsley:
JOHN 20:28-29

28 And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!
Did you see exclamation sign (!) in your quote?
That's a proof your claim is FALSE.

Why did you stop @ verse 29?
LIENUS Bishop, did John chapter 20 end at verse 29?

grin grin

John 20 Verses 30-31, believe that Jesus is who?
You will gain what?
Re: Archangel Michael Is Not Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:14pm On Aug 25, 2021
Janosky:
John and Jesus Christ says @ John 20:17, Bishop dump your GIBBERISH into the dustbin.
grin
I've never been so sure of what i learnt from you guys until my experience here on Nairaland!
Just imagine religionists from different sects with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines all pointing accusing fingers at one organization.
Abeg how on earth do they expect the accused to get the sense of the accusation when THEY (ACCUSERS) ARE NOT IN AGREEMENT! cheesy

For many bare false witness against him, but their witness agreed not together.,, And there arose certain, and bare false witness against him, saying, We heard him say, I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and within three days I will build another made without hands. But neither so did their witness agree together! Mark 14:56-59

Jehovah's Witnesses, My God will bless you people for locating me.
Thank you, thank you, thank you for coming to study your book (Bible) with me! smiley
Re: Archangel Michael Is Not Jesus Christ by Bishopkingsley(m): 1:17pm On Aug 25, 2021
Janosky:
Did you see exclamation sign (!) in your quote?
That's a proof your claim is FALSE.

Why did you stop @ verse 29?
LIENUS Bishop, did John chapter 20 end at verse 29?

grin grin

John 20 Verses 30-31, believe that Jesus is who?
You will gain what?
28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

30 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:

31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Son of God
Means God the son
And there is only one race of God
The God Almighty race

God can't give birth to angel no
God gives birth to God man

Angels give birth to giant men evil creatures

Jesus is God Almighty
Re: Archangel Michael Is Not Jesus Christ by achorladey: 1:17pm On Aug 25, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
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I will respond to you in their behalf because i don't want to chat with any of these faithless people so read this and respond if you still have something tangible to say! smiley

Orderliness is the key to pure worship!

JEHOVAH our God is the God of Orderliness so both in heaven and on earth all His children are well organized and orderly. All the angels in heaven are united under one Commader in Chief known as archangel Michael but on earth God's people are not united because Satan has been causing confusion in the midst of God's people (Israel)
Now this is our history!
Abraham was our great grandfather (by Faith) and Jacob's descendants got the blessing to serve as the means of salvation for the entire human race. But there is one thing Jehovah cherishes in people from other nations: who ever proved to be loyal to His plan will be rewarded greatly. Many like Rahab (from Jericho) Ruth (moabite woman) were none Israelites who proved to be loyal to God's plan and Jehovah abundantly blessed these people. How? JEHOVAH made sure that their names were included in His memory book in fact both women became the great grandmothers of Jesus. So there's no way Jesus will resurrect people without these two women included! Matthew 1:5

JEHOVAH said David is a man according to His own heart. WHY? Because David proved to be loyal to a fault! Jehovah's servant Samuel anointed Saul as King over Israel and later Saul became a nuisance even killing priests in the house of God! But what about David? Even though David knew that Saul's anointing has been cancelled because the same Samuel anointed David as the next King of Israel while Saul is still alive. David remain loyal and obedient to Jehovah's anointed King!
He was never presumptuous thinking he could take the position until JEHOVAH destroyed Saul by Himself, David kept honouring Saul as King over God's people!

What about Jesus (the greater David)?
Jesus remain submissive to God's arrangement, he continue to worship with other Jews in the Temple even though he knew that the Jewish religious system is heading to it's end, Jesus told his audience:

Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to his disciples, saying: “The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the seat of Moses. Therefore, all the things they tell you, do and observe, but do not do according to their deeds, for they say but they do not practice what they say. Matthew 23:1-3

So Jesus kept obeying the old covenant until he has accomplished all what is required to establish a new Covenant {John 19:30} after Jesus' death JEHOVAH condemned the physical Temple arrangement {Matthew 27:51} this is a sign that what Jesus said about the Temple:

Therefore, in response the Jews said to him: “What sign can you show us, since you are doing these things?” Jesus replied to them: “Tear down this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. John 2:18-19

Has been fulfilled! Ever since then Jesus ceased to step his feet into the temple until his departure to heaven. Now the New Temple is the congregation (church) of God about which Jesus knelt down on his feet and begged JEHOVAH to use His holy spirit to unite all those that come into this New Temple one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers having the same line of thought! John 17:20-23 compare to 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3

So as the Commader in Chief of all the armies in heaven Archangel Michael (Jesus Christ) has also become the Commader in Chief of all the armies of God's Organization on planet earth {Matthew 28:18} therefore whatever makes you people differ in beliefs shows that you're no part of the New Temple under the Newly established Covenant. Luke 11:23

That's why i keep asking you people to PRESENT a better performing GROUP of people PRACTICING pure worship (Christianity) than JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

May you have PEACE! smiley
I will respond to you in their behalf because i don't want to chat with any of these faithless...... Max

KNOWMORE at least you know you are NOT faithless like us according to Max.

The day he KNOWMORE becomes faithless make sure you tell us.

Orderliness is the key to pure worship

Lawlessness and iniquities start from the very person who keeps chatting and arguing with those his religious leaders who have DOMINION over him(Max) called apostates(those leaving the religious organisation they belong and those under the group they call christendom) and whose words are to be seen and viewed AS POISONOUS grin

Follow what they tell you first let us see the ORDERLINESS of your true worship
Re: Archangel Michael Is Not Jesus Christ by freshboi88: 1:38pm On Aug 25, 2021
Janosky:
Matthew 24:36
Jesus Christ proven Fresh WAILER lacks SENSE

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New World Translation

John 21:17 He said to him a third time: “Simon son of John, do you have affection for me?” Peter became grieved that he asked him the third time: “Do you have affection for me?” So he said to him: “Lord, you are aware of all things; [/b]you know that I have affection for you.” Jesus said to him: “Feed my little sheep.+

Janosky your new world translation says Jesus is aware of all things....[b]so I ask u do u agree that Jesus knows all things?
Re: Archangel Michael Is Not Jesus Christ by Emusan(m): 2:24pm On Aug 25, 2021
Janosky:
Afterall your rants upandan since 19gbidigbidi, you have no ZERO proof.
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My proof is here on Nairaland on his previous deleted moniker @Maxmus69

He once promoted Ponzi scheme with that account you can take me to any court you want cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy grin grin cheesy grin cheesy grin
Re: Archangel Michael Is Not Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:27pm On Aug 25, 2021
freshboi88:
New World Translation

John 21:17 He said to him a third time: “Simon son of John, do you have affection for me?” Peter became grieved that he asked him the third time: “Do you have affection for me?” So he said to him: “Lord, you are aware of all things; you know that I have affection for you.” Jesus said to him: “Feed my little sheep.+

Janosky your new world translation (brother) Peter says Jesus is aware of all things....so I ask u do u agree that Jesus knows all things?
Sorry Mr Current Winner, that's Peter's statement not John (the writer) i think what Janosky is trying to say is that he will prefer the statement released by Jesus himself regarding what you're asking:

“Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father" Matthew 24:36

So according to Jesus himself, there are certain things he (Jesus) doesn't know. And as for our brother Peter remember that he's always anxious so we understand that he utter such a statement as a lay man not as a born again Christian, because as at the moment he said that he (Peter) is not yet born again. So Janosky prefer to take Jesus' side on that note than Peter's side.

Twaile, Mr Current argument Winner Sir!

Re: Archangel Michael Is Not Jesus Christ by Emusan(m): 2:28pm On Aug 25, 2021
Janosky:
Source:Quora
By :Arthur Paul Burton, Spiritual Minister.

you can read the “New World Translation” which is put out by the Watchtower here: https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/books/acts/20/

Here is their explanation for including the word “Son” when that exact word does not appear in the Greek.

“with the blood of his own Son: Lit., “through the blood of the own (one).” Grammatically, the Greek expression could be translated “with the blood of his own” or “with his own blood,” so the context has to be taken into consideration.

In Greek, the expression ho iʹdi·os (“his own”) could stand alone without a clarifying noun or pronoun, as seen by how it is rendered at Joh 1:11 (“his own home”); at Joh 13:1 (“his own”); at Ac 4:23 (“their own people”); and at Ac 24:23 (“his people”). In non-Biblical Greek papyri, the phrase is used as a term of endearment to refer to close relatives. A reader of this verse would logically understand from the context that a noun in the singular number is implied after the expression “his own” and that the noun referred to God’s only-begotten Son, Jesus Christ, whose blood was shed. Based on this, quite a number of scholars and translators acknowledge that the word “son” is to be understood here and render the phrase “with the blood of his own Son.”

As you can see, the Watchtower is not the only one to translate it that way.

It is their view and some other translators views, that there is a family relation implied in the Greek.


However, let’s say the The Watchtower understanding is correct, that the Greek for “his own” implies a close relation, even a family relation.

In their notes they acknowledge that it literally doesn’t say “son” but “His own (one).”

I respect that honesty! [/i]They say- here is what it literally says, and here is what we think the literal meaning is pointing towards.[/b]

[i]Then from my POV including son, is not 100% accurate… but leaving it just as “his own” isn’t either.

I would say, “His own kin.”

Can you hear the hypocrite quoting up and down just to defend the fraud NWT but when KJV inserted "God" in 1 Tim 3 the same JaNosense will call it fraud insertion simply because the word "God" wasn't appeared in the Greek manuscript.

Anyways, everyone knows NWT is a fraud translation that's why you people are so confused in many doctrines.
Re: Archangel Michael Is Not Jesus Christ by freshboi88: 2:33pm On Aug 25, 2021
Emusan:
My proof is here on Nairaland on his previous deleted moniker @Maxmus69

He once promoted Ponzi scheme with that account you can take me to any court you want cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy grin grin cheesy grin cheesy grin
Hahaha....e dey promote Ponzi........That shows that hunger wan kill the guy. That's what been a JW bring hunger and frustration like @Janosky is frustrated.
Re: Archangel Michael Is Not Jesus Christ by Bishopkingsley(m): 2:35pm On Aug 25, 2021
freshboi88:
Hahaha....e dey promote Ponzi........That shows that hunger wan kill the guy. That's what been a JW bring hunger and frustration like @Janosky is frustrated.
lololololol.... Hahaahahahaha
Re: Archangel Michael Is Not Jesus Christ by Emusan(m): 2:36pm On Aug 25, 2021
Janosky:
Did you see exclamation sign (!) in your quote?
That's a proof your claim is FALSE.
Liar like your father the devil.

Thomas called Jesus My Lord and My God
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I know if possible for your demonic organization they'd have removed that in their fraud translation.

Why did you stop @ verse 29?
LIENUS Bishop, did John chapter 20 end at verse 29?

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John 20 Verses 30-31, believe that Jesus is who?
You will gain what?
Believe that Jesus is the Son of God you'll have eternal life.

So we can see that it's not by belonging to a group or organization that will grant you eternal life but SIMPLY BELIEVE.

Secondly, not by believing that Jesus is Angel Michael too cheesy grin cheesy cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy grin

The fraud master is getting pained left and right shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked
Re: Archangel Michael Is Not Jesus Christ by freshboi88: 2:44pm On Aug 25, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
Sorry Mr Current Winner, that's Peter's statement not John (the writer) i think what Janosky is trying to say is that he will prefer the statement released by Jesus himself regarding what you're asking:

“Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father" Matthew 24:36

So according to Jesus himself, there are certain things he (Jesus) doesn't know. And as for our brother Peter remember that he's always anxious so we understand that he utter such a statement as a lay man not as a born again Christian, because as at the moment he said that he (Peter) is not yet born again. So Janosky prefer to take Jesus' side on that note than Peter's side.

Twaile, Mr Current argument Winner Sir!
John 16: 30 Now we can see that you know all things and that you do not even need to have anyone ask you questions. This makes us believe that you came from God.”

Nah Peter still make this statement....MUMU. All the disciples are in agreement that Jesus knows all things but MaxDMumu calls them lairs.

I like how u pple hold on the no one knows the day or the hour not even Jesus or the angels bla bla bla.

Now let's use your faulty logic

Rev 19:12 His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. 13He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God.

Jesus has a name that no one knows but only him, using your logic, MaxDMumu does Jehovah know this name ?
Re: Archangel Michael Is Not Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:46pm On Aug 25, 2021
freshboi88:
Hahaha....e dey promote Ponzi........That shows that hunger wan kill the guy. That's what been a JW bring hunger and frustration like @Janosky is frustrated.
Chai!
Is this how you swallow people's words hook line and sinker WITHOUT PROOF? undecided
And i thought you can win all cases with this your reputation as the Current Argument Winner o!
cheesy
Re: Archangel Michael Is Not Jesus Christ by freshboi88: 2:51pm On Aug 25, 2021
Emusan:
Liar like your father the devil.

Thomas called Jesus My Lord and My God
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I know if possible for your demonic organization they'd have removed that in their fraud translation.



Believe that Jesus is the Son of God you'll have eternal life.

So we can see that it's not by belonging to a group or organization that will grant you eternal life but SIMPLY BELIEVE.

Secondly, not by believing that Jesus is Angel Michael too cheesy grin cheesy cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy grin

The fraud master is getting pained left and right shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked
As in gbas gbos everywhere..............their father the devil in wailing in hell right now because his children are been battered by children of light
Re: Archangel Michael Is Not Jesus Christ by freshboi88: 2:53pm On Aug 25, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
Chai!
Is this how you swallow people's words hook line and sinker WITHOUT PROOF? undecided
And i thought you can win all cases with this your reputation as the Current Argument Winner o!
cheesy
Shut up! And respond to this

John 16: 30 Now we can see that you know all things and that you do not even need to have anyone ask you questions. This makes us believe that you came from God.”

Nah Peter still make this statement....MUMU. All the disciples are in agreement that Jesus knows all things but MaxDMumu calls them lairs.

I like how u pple hold on the no one knows the day or the hour not even Jesus or the angels bla bla bla.

Now let's use your faulty logic

Rev 19:12 His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. [b] He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. [/b]13He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God.

[b]Jesus has a name that no one knows but only him, using your logic, MaxDMumu does Jehovah know this name ?[b]
Re: Archangel Michael Is Not Jesus Christ by Emusan(m): 2:57pm On Aug 25, 2021
MaxInDHouse:
Chai!
Is this how you swallow people's words hook line and sinker WITHOUT PROOF? undecided
And i thought you can win all cases with this your reputation as the Current Argument Winner o!
cheesy
If you're being truthful to yourself answer this question.

What was the title of the first two topics your created with your deleted moniker Maxmus69 on Nairaland?

You created just four topics with that moniker and the posts on it were over 10,000 to tell you I know what I'm saying.
Re: Archangel Michael Is Not Jesus Christ by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:59pm On Aug 25, 2021
Haaaaaaaaaaaaa! embarassed
He be like sey you don vex again o!
Abeg Sir, i'm really sorry i for no chuk mouth for your discussion with Janosky.

Please can you strike a balance between what you're quoting regarding Jesus' ability to know all things? Remember he (Jesus) said "NO" but his followers (who are still learning) say "YES" so please tell me who did God declared as the one we must beleive? Matthew 17:5; John 3:16

As for the name on Jesus' forehead i think he himself said:

"All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth" Matthew 28:18

Surely the One who ordered Jesus saying:

“Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.” Psalms 110:1 compare to Act 2:34-35

Is responsible for the name nah, so He will know even if no one else knows! Matthew 24:36 smiley




freshboi88:
John 16: 30 Now we can see that you know all things and that you do not even need to have anyone ask you questions. This makes us believe that you came from God.”
Nah Peter still make this statement....MUMU. All the disciples are in agreement that Jesus knows all things but MaxDMumu calls them lairs.
I like how u pple hold on the no one knows the day or the hour not even Jesus or the angels bla bla bla.
Now let's use your faulty logic
Rev 19:12 His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. 13He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God.
Jesus has a name that no one knows but only him, using your logic, MaxDMumu does Jehovah know this name ?
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