Nephilim:

Moreover Apostle should endeavor to curtail his sexual escapades. I'm not saying this to backlash him but for his eternity. I understand how difficult it could be when even ladies are throwing themselves at you. And the devil could be very trickish, this is where he has held many of them ministers in captivity. We need to pray for them and keep praying for ourselves too not to fall into the trap of the enemy. May God continue to strengthen us all, grace!

Omotakins:
judgment is reserved for fallen angels. I believe this is speaking about fallen angels.

OCTAVO:
Someone once called TB Joshua a true prophet sometime last year on this very thread, only for the same person to now say he had known he is a false prophet since his teen age. Hmmmm... Issokay.

Hercules22:


Jesus was made lower than the angels. He could not even command the angels of heaven to do his bidding during his ministry on earth. This is because he was mortal and only had authority on earth through the Spirit of God the Father. The scriptures say “Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels?”‭‭(Matthew‬ ‭26:53‬). We can see here that he could only ask the Father to release his angels.

But after his death and resurrection, he was given all authority in heaven and earth.
“Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.” (Matthew‬ ‭28:18)‬. Now he has authority over the angels of heaven.

We are now in the body of Christ and share in his inheritance. This is why the scriptures say “Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?”‭‭(Hebrews‬ ‭1:14‬). Angels are always assigned to earth men but some don’t know how to partner with them.

The angels of God were created to work according to the written word of God. When a person prays in the Spirit, the angels partner with him/her because he prayed according to God’s will for him.

Man and Angels are directly under the authority of God. They are called sons of God. Earth man is meant to partner with the angels of heaven to fulfil the purpose of God on earth.

We can’t command them to do our bidding just like man can’t take authority over the spirit of another man. The scriptures say “I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I had heard and seen them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing them to me. But he said to me, “Don’t do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your fellow prophets and with all who keep the words of this scroll. Worship God!” (Revelation‬ ‭22:8-9‬). ‭Note the word “servant”

After our physical death and ascension into kingdom of Heaven, we shall reign with Christ and given a higher authority. We are in the body of Christ and he is the head. This means that we don’t have the same level of authority of the risen Christ to command the Angels of Heaven.

Hercules22:


Jesus was made lower than the angels. He could not even command the angels of heaven to do his bidding during his ministry on earth. This is because he was mortal and only had authority on earth through the Spirit of God the Father. The scriptures say “Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels?”‭‭(Matthew‬ ‭26:53‬). We can see here that he could only ask the Father to release his angels.

But after his death and resurrection, he was given all authority in heaven and earth.
“Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.” (Matthew‬ ‭28:18)‬. Now he has authority over the angels of heaven.

We are now in the body of Christ and share in his inheritance. This is why the scriptures say “Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?”‭‭(Hebrews‬ ‭1:14‬). Angels are always assigned to earth men but some don’t know how to partner with them.

The angels of God were created to work according to the written word of God. When a person prays in the Spirit, the angels partner with him/her because he prayed according to God’s will for him.

This was the original mandate of man,
“Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”” (Genesis‬ ‭1:26). We have authority on earth and over Satan and his demons.

Man and Angels are directly under the authority of God. They are called sons of God. Earth man is meant to partner with the angels of heaven to fulfil the purpose of God on earth. We can’t command them to do our bidding just like man can’t take authority over the spirit of another man. The scriptures say “I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I had heard and seen them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing them to me. But he said to me, “Don’t do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your fellow prophets and with all who keep the words of this scroll. Worship God!” (Revelation‬ ‭22:8-9‬). ‭Note the word “servant”

After our physical death and ascension into kingdom of Heaven, we shall reign with Christ and given a higher authority. We are in the body of Christ and he is the head. This means that we don’t have the same level of authority of the risen Christ to command the Angels of Heaven.

Hercules22:


Jesus was made lower than the angels. He could not even command the angels of heaven to do his bidding during his ministry on earth. This is because he was mortal and only had authority on earth through the Spirit of God the Father. The scriptures say “Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels?”‭‭(Matthew‬ ‭26:53‬). We can see here that he could only ask the Father to release his angels.

But after his death and resurrection, he was given all authority in heaven and earth.
“Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.” (Matthew‬ ‭28:18)‬. Now he has authority over the angels of heaven.

We are now in the body of Christ and share in his inheritance. This is why the scriptures say “Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?”‭‭(Hebrews‬ ‭1:14‬). Angels are always assigned to earth men but some don’t know how to partner with them.

The angels of God were created to work according to the written word of God. When a person prays in the Spirit, the angels partner with him/her because he prayed according to God’s will for him.

This was the original mandate of man,
“Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”” (Genesis‬ ‭1:26). We have authority on earth and over Satan and his demons.

Man and Angels are directly under the authority of God. They are called sons of God. Earth man is meant to partner with the angels of heaven to fulfil the purpose of God on earth. We can’t command them to do our bidding just like man can’t take authority over the spirit of another man. The scriptures say “I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I had heard and seen them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing them to me. But he said to me, “Don’t do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your fellow prophets and with all who keep the words of this scroll. Worship God!” (Revelation‬ ‭22:8-9‬). ‭Note the word “servant”

After our physical death and ascension into kingdom of Heaven, we shall reign with Christ and given a higher authority. We are in the body of Christ and he is the head. This means that we don’t have the same level of authority of the risen Christ to command the Angels of Heaven.

Maestro21:

Can I wade in the discussion? Jesus did not have direct authority over angels because he functioned in the OT which made no provisions for that.
Galatians 4:4
But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law


You did not complete it, he said to the disciples "now go [in this authority] therefore to preach...". He was relaying/bequeathing the authority he received to us [the church] which is his body.

Notice the verse you quoted says angels are sent to minister FOR those who are heirs of salvation (KJV). The keyword is FOR.

Yes, they only respond to the word of God. But God is not the one speaking his word till date. He gave us his word to speak it and angels hear it, recognize it and go to work.

Actually, it is the reverse. Angels are to partner with us to fulfil the purpose of God on earth
Hmm, my reply to this can be more robust but I won't digress. The keyword in this verse you quoted however is "fellow prophets". All I will say is, some of us, upon leaving this earth, are given a new assignment. You know that not all "angels" are the same - and I don't even mean rank wise.

I have heard a few ministers say so. I checked the scriptures and nothing like this is obtainable. You are right that in the millennial reign we reign WITH christ but before that time, we are to reign THROUGH or IN christ. Since the authority christ has is already "all", then whatever authority we execute WITH or IN christ are the same. The only difference is our location while executing that authority.

Maestro21:

Can I wade in the discussion? Jesus did not have direct authority over angels because he functioned in the OT which made no provisions for that.
Galatians 4:4
But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law


You did not complete it, he said to the disciples "now go [in this authority] therefore to preach...". He was relaying/bequeathing the authority he received to us [the church] which is his body.

Notice the verse you quoted says angels are sent to minister FOR those who are heirs of salvation (KJV). The keyword is FOR.

Yes, they only respond to the word of God. But God is not the one speaking his word till date. He gave us his word to speak it and angels hear it, recognize it and go to work.

Actually, it is the reverse. Angels are to partner with us to fulfil the purpose of God on earth.

Hmm, my reply to this can be more robust but I won't digress. The keyword in this verse you quoted however is "fellow prophets". All I will say is, some of us, upon leaving this earth, are given a new assignment. You know that not all "angels" are the same - and I don't even mean rank wise.

I have heard a few ministers say so. I checked the scriptures and nothing like this is obtainable. You are right that in the millennial reign we reign WITH christ but before that time, we are to reign THROUGH or IN christ. Since the authority christ has is already "all", then whatever authority we execute WITH or IN christ are the same. The only difference is our location while executing that authority.

sholay2011:

Such a lovely post. Great analysis and I love how everything is backed with the scriptures Love it.

perezeghi:



Well done on your comment.
Let me just add a brief.
The power of man in him is Jesus. That is why whatever thing man does as a kingdom child is done in the name of Son of God. Jesus is the one who intercedes for man. While it seems that we pray to the Father, the truth is that for the father to respond to our individual prayers the Son tells the Father that we are His brothers and sisters and by acknowledging such the Father glorifies His Son. An earthly man does not need that kind of power we are assuming to have over angels when we have the One who commands them on our behalf otherwise there would be no need for Him.

Shalom.

OCTAVO:
Someone once called TB Joshua a true prophet sometime last year on this very thread, only for the same person to now say he had known he is a false prophet since his teen age. Hmmmm... Issokay.

perezeghi:





Apologies just like to confirm........
If angels exercise authority over man, then at what point in time is this scripture usable.....

1Cor.6.3 - Do you not know that we shall judge angels? How much more, things that pertain to this life?

Shalom.

OCTAVO:

It was on page precisely, but that part is no longer there. It has been modified. So there's no point. I'm sure some people here can remember. I can never cook up what didn't happen.

CharlyG1:


Who modified it? Myself?

I have never said such a thing as that before.
The reason I don't like to bring up the issue about false prophets is because I know it would cause quarrels. Same reason I hate to argue with any of my Catholic friends.

Please don't lie against me. Do your best to search for the place I mentioned TB Joshua as a real man of God.

azammi:
Sir I think you should leave this people to themselves, no matter what you say de will still not agree

OCTAVO:

What do I gain by lying against you? See I'm not that type. As far as I'm concerned, I do not doubt the grace of GOD upon you. So GOD won't be happy with me if I lie against you. I actually wanted to type 327. But I could not remember the exact page again. But it still makes no difference because what I read then isn't there. If you think I'm lying please I'm sorry.

CharlyG1:


Like I said before. I have never said such an will never say such.
If I believed he was a true prophet, why didn't I rebuke Noble and others who said he was false.

Some people sent me a mail about a year or two years ago, asking if TB Joshua was a true prophet, and I told them my honest opinion and by revelation... NO!

I just didn't want to stirr up fights here like we have right now.

You must have mistaken me for someone else.
I won't be replying you any further.

yachal:


Please I will like to talk to you privately on a disturbing matter

Please WhatsApp me

OCTAVO:

Okay, thanks for handling this in a mature way. Let's assume I'm wrong then, once again please I'm sorry for all these. I'm erasing all my previous comments on that particular matter. So some other people won't later come and blow it out of proportion. I don't want to be the cause of any misconception.

CharlyG1:


I want US (the body of Christ) to remain as one and come together especially in these end times to be united against the forces of darkness. The gates of hell will not prevail over the church. Amen.

So no matter where you are and what you're currently doing for the Lord, do it with all your heart, mind and spirit. I pray that we all are strengthened to finish this race to the very end. And nothing from the pit of hell will distract us or make us take our gaze off Jesus. Amen.

God bless everyone.

CharlyG1:


Hello Yachal,

Can you please send me a mail about the matter first, then we can proceed to WhatsApp if necessary?
I advise you remove your number in your quote because a person who's not one of us here can use it to their advantage. If you know what I mean.

God bless you.

enthronedbyGod1:


A big amen to your prayers.

I'd however like to plead with you to remove the first sentence in your quote, cos I didn't insult you in any way and the young man who used offensive words against you and others has publicly apologised to everyone.
I feel you shouldn't have mentioned it at all, so please edit your post if you've sincerely forgiven him, for you spoke of us being sincere to ourselves and making moves.
I'm sorry I had to quote you, cos you called out my moniker and secondly you didn't publicly acknowledge his apology. If you've forgiven kindly edit your post please, so I'd edit this particular one.

I hope this doesn't sound offensive to you. If this sounds offensive kindly forgive.
God help us all.

yachal:


Oh yes I get u. Removed

BTW does the NL e-mail work?
Anywayz I just sent one

CharlyG1:


I never said you insulted me. And I wasn't even referring to Maestro insulting me, if that's who you're referring to as the young man.
I don't even mind taking insults from anyone. I can take it.

There's nothing to forgive because I don't even hold anything against anyone. Believe it or not.
What did anyone do to me in the first place? Insults? Lol. That's nothing


We don't have to agree on everything all the time. Such is life. And such is the Christian life because it's a personal relationship with God.

God bless you.

yachal:


Oh yes I get u. Removed

BTW does the NL e-mail work?
Anywayz I just sent one

enthronedbyGod1:



Thanks for the clarification and sorry for misinterpreting your comment. I'd edit my previous comment.

Hercules22:


Nice one brother!. We are saying almost the same thing. But I just need to clarify something.

Praying in the Spirit is the same as Praying in tongues. That is what I meant by a believer praying according to the word of God for the angels to work. God can also speak to people in dreams and open visions to enable them pray according to what has been revealed to them. The scripture says “Jesus gave them this answer: “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.” (John‬ ‭5:19‬)‭. This is radical obedience and it activates the angels of heaven.

Yes, I know there are different angels of heaven with regards to their ministry. There are Angels of Warfare; Fire (Seraphim); Guardians; Cherub (Glory); Joy; Healing; Horses and Chariots of fire; Watchers; Awakening; Messenger angels; Four beasts; etc.

There are levels of Authority in the body of Christ. It is Christ who delegates this authority to earth men that have intimacy with him and obedient to his word. As a believer grows from a baby to mature Christian, he is promoted in the spirit. God would entrust him with the keys of the Kingdom. As a human being, you can’t give the keys to your house to anyone who hasn’t earned your trust. That is why Jesus said “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me” (Matthew 28:18). If you noticed the word “ALL”, which means that there are different levels of authority in heaven and earth. “And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” (Matthew‬ ‭16:19). ‬Again, this particular scripture talks about authority. Authority is given to all men who are willing to make themselves a living sacrifice.

For instance, two men who operate in the gift of word of knowledge and discerning of spirits encounter a demon possessed woman. What differentiates them is that, If the name of the demon is made known by word of knowledge to the first man and unknown to the second, the former will be able to cast out the demon in the name of Jesus, while the latter could even pray all day and still can’t take authority over the demon. This means that the the first man has a greater authority than the second man. Demons don’t fear the gifts of the Spirit but the Authority of earth men. That is why Satan was interested in stealing that Authority from the first Adam. The gifts of God can even be given without repentance but not Authority. The scriptures say “For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.”(Romans‬ ‭11:29‬). There are those born with these gifts but they can lack authority if they don’t have intimacy with Christ. The scriptures say “But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.”(Hebrews‬ ‭5:14). ‬ ‭The gifts of the Spirit doesn’t validate Maturity but Authority does.

Can you explain this “some of us, upon leaving this earth, are given a new assignment”?

...rightly dividing the word of truth... thanks for your inputs