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MaxInDHouse:
Now i understand you!

You're just arguing for the fun of it both you and all those arguing with you will make heaven since all of you believe that Jesus is the savior!

Bishopkingsley:
This is not arguing I call this engagement the same thing Paul did to bring people to the saving knowledge of Christ

MaxInDHouse:
But you said all of you are SAVED already nah, which one be SAVING KNOWLEDGE again?

Bishopkingsley:
1 Timothy 2
3 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth [of Christ].

Recognition Knowledge
“Saving knowledge” of Jesus Christ is a “recognition” type of knowing, not just a mental assent type.

It is that moment in time when we suddenly truly recognize Jesus for who He is… and submit our life to Him.

That saving knowledge moment happens when, in our inner soul, we bow our will to Jesus Christ and acknowledge Him as:

the One sent by God to earth to be our sacrificial Lamb,
the Messiah of the Old Testament,
the Ruler of the Universe who made Himself born into a man in order to provide us all with a way to escape His coming judgement of all sin
— and submit to Him.

That saving knowledge does not happen just in our mind. It happens with all that we are – in our inner soul, where who we are sits on the throne of our being. That saving knowledge is accepted from the throne of our life.

In that moment we dethrone our own throne, and give way to Christ the King! God becomes King of our life, and He takes up residence in us as we are made brand new inside (1 Corinthians 5:16-21)

This saving knowledge of Christ is the best form of knowledge when you totally from your inner heart know who Jesus is i don't know how to explain it until you understand this things in your spirit

MaxInDHouse:
They don't need it because they already agreed that Jesus is God so trying to make them have ACCURATE KNOWLEDGE will only amount to fruitless arguments just as you've been having with many of your brethren!
So since they're saved why not leave them for that saving grace and go look for others to save?

MaxInDHouse:
I'm not laughing at anyone, i'm just amazed at the FAITH that accommodates contradictions!

Bishopkingsley:
There are levels of the faith

And this is what God command us to teach irrespective of whether they want to believe it or not they can argue about it but we are just tools used by God to speak what he has commanded us to speak

We are in this level because other people God commanded obey God are you seeing this and we are great full to God for having this Bible experience in our lives

It is important that those who have believed in Jesus Christ to continue to grow in the knowledge of Him. There are several crucial reasons why this is so.

We Experience Spiritual Growth...And There Is The Realization Of Judgment To Come

Knowing God results in the realization of judgment to come.

And

The more one knows God, intellectually and experientially, the more they can grow spiritually.

But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever! Amen (2 Peter 3:18).

The Apostle Paul wrote.

I want to know Christ and the power of his resurrection and the sharing of his sufferings by becoming like him in his death
(Philippians 3:10).

It Helps Us To Understand Ourselves

Knowing God helps us with a better understanding of our own identity. Before we can appreciate who we are, we need to know who made us and why we are here on the earth. Therefore the more we learn about God, the more we will be able to learn about ourselves.

True Worship Can Be The Result
God wants us to declare the truth and he will carry the truth and work with it in the life's of those who hear us

BassReeves:
I know you were, but it takes someone with great large and huge swinging balls to believe that God doesnt exist. Having pointed that out, I am sure you are amazed at that level of FAITH that accommodates arriving at such reckless and careless conclusion. On another point, faith comes in different guises, it has different dimensions, levels, degrees and is used for different purposes

MaxInDHouse:
An adage says "two wrongs can never make a right" they believe you're wrong, you believe they're wrong and yet you're still saying both are on the same page, this is just preposterous!

MaxInDHouse:
I'm not laughing at anyone, i'm just amazed at the FAITH that accommodates contradictions!

BassReeves:
I know you were but it takes someone with great large and huge swinging balls to believe that God doesnt exist. Having pointed that out, I am sure you are amazed at that level of FAITH that accommodates arriving at such reckless and careless conclusion. On another point, faith comes in different guises, it has different dimensions, levels, degrees and is used for different purposes

MaxInDHouse:
No wahala!
In my own faith the president of Watchtower respect me as one of his brothers that's learning from the same teacher (Jesus) a JW from China, Austria, Britain, American, Saudi Arabia, Israel, Nigeria and anywhere on this planet all have the same line of thought so we don't argue over anything scriptural! John 17:22
According to Jesus whatever sparks a controversy within is a sign of Satanic influence so we mustn't allow it, we must maintain the peace if we want God's Holy Spirit to continue with us! John 14:26-27
But i can see that you and your beloved brother are doing great here so you may proceed with your loving interchange of encouragement!

Bishopkingsley:
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and anywhere on this planet all have the same line of thought

Answer
Do you know you don't have one line of thought as in the Bible and the line of thought of Jesus
And You don't even have one line of thought as the Apostles of Jesus Christ have

But truly you have one line of thought as those men who you call GB the funny part they the GB don't have one line of thought as with the Bible or with Jesus Christ

Now in our own Christianity Jesus and our pastor and teachers only teaches us to have one line of thought of the Bible and one line of thought of Jesus Christ

Are you seeing the difference between us and JW

The bible forbids us to follow any Apostles or church we only follow Jesus and the Bible principles so any one whether JW or from our own side who leaves Jesus and Bible principles God command us to rebuke, and correct that person with his written word

So our line of thought is only in line with Jesus and Bible rules which no JW followers follow

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they believe you're wrong, you believe they're wrong and yet you're still saying both are on the same page, this is just preposterous!

Answer
God says the final one to believe is him and his Bible so if what I say is in the Bible I will win at the end when God comes to pass judgment

Paul won Peter when peter refused to understand that gentiles can be saved

At the end Peter also acknowledged that truly gentiles can be saved

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted is where you're having serious issues!

Because you're only arguing with one another when any of you quote the book (Bible) each person Interprets it to contradict one another!

JWs also quotes the same book and all of us have the same line of thought globally! John 17:22
The funny thing is each time we talk about oneness in thought you quickly talk about our Governing Body as if you people don't have Pastors teaching you too.
For your information, just as you have Pastors, GOs and so on is the same way we have a GB so if you people can't speak in harmony then something is wrong somewhere! Luke 11:23

Less i forget, you only talk and talk and talk but when it comes to correlating what you're saying with the scriptures that's when it becomes obvious that you're just saying rubbish there's nowhere your teaching is applied!

Bishopkingsley:
The bible is the final authority not the church or the pastor or the GB

MaxInDHouse:
Chai!
How i wish you know the blasphemy you're committing right now with this statement when you're all contradicting yourselves and you're not remorseful to claim that such confusion is supported by the God of the Bible! Matthew 12:31-32
Well that's why our God differs from yours Sha! 1Corinthians 14:33

Bishopkingsley:
Matthew 12:31-32
New International Version
31 And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.
32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

1 Corinthians 14:33
New King James Version
33 For God is not the author of [a]confusion but of peace, (A)as in all the churches of the saints.

You quote Bible but nothing from the place makes sense from what you say

You don't know Bible or know God

Now listen

When you see any place or any one who say they only believe the Bible

What that means is they only believe God because Bible is the word of God and God and Bible is one

John 1
King James Version
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God

God is the word and God is the written word and God is the Bible

But because you don't know this and understand it that why you are confused about the things of God

Let me say it again the Bible is the final authority because demon can appear to any one and say that you should believe him rather than the Bible

So any one who appear to any one and what he says is not in the same line of thought as the Bible God say to us don't believe that person

Bible is the final authority not my pastor not the pope not your evil GB JW not any thing

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In the very last commandment in the Bible God resolutely tells us not to add to nor take away from His Word.

“For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book (Bible) : If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the Book of Life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book”
—Revelation 22:18-19

His Word is absolutely sufficient in itself (Psalm 119:160).

The Biblical message breathed out by God is revelation in written form.
(2 Timothy 3:15-16). The Biblical claim is that what God has inspired was His written word (2 Peter 1:20-21).

When the Lord Jesus Christ said, “the Scripture cannot be broken” (John 10:35), He was speaking of God’s written word (Bible).

The events, actions, commandments, and truths from God are given to us in propositional form, i.e. logical, written sentences.
God’s declaration in Scripture is that it and it alone, is this final authority in all matters of faith and morals.

Thus, there is only one written source from God, and there is only one basis of truth for the Lord’s people in the Church.

Affirmed by Jesus Christ
The Lord Jesus Christ, Himself, identified truth with the written Word.
In His great, high priestly prayer,
He said, “Sanctify them through thy truth:
thy word is truth.”

This was consistent with the declarations right through the Old Testament in which the Holy Spirit continually proclaims that the revelation from God is truth, as for example Psalm 119:142, “thy law is truth.” There is no source other than Scripture alone to which such a statement applies. That source alone, the Holy Scripture, is the believer’s standard of truth.

In the New Testament, it is the written word of God, and that alone, to which the Lord Jesus Christ and His apostles refer as the final authority.

In the temptation, the Lord Jesus three times resisted Satan, saying,
“It is written” as for example, in Matthew 4:4, “he answered and said,
It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.” In stating
“It is written,” the Lord used the exact same phrase that is used in the Holy Bible forty six times.
The persistence of the repeated phrase underlines its importance. The Lord’s total acceptance of the authority of the Old Testament is evident in His words found in Matthew 5:17-18:

“Think not that I came to destroy the law or the prophets: I am not come to destroy but to fulfill. For verily, I say unto you, Till heaven and Earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law till all be fulfilled.”

Bible it is written is the final authority

MaxInDHouse:
See STORY! STORY!! STORY!!!
When another misinformed churchgoer will come to tell his/her own yet no agreement but you're expecting only JWs who already have there own unique teaching and united to leave that for this your confusion!

Bishopkingsley:
You are free not to believe me

MaxInDHouse:
Just as all those arguing with you are free not to believe you as long as they believe the Bible all in contradiction!

Bishopkingsley:
I follow Bible so
So what count is follow Bible
You don't need to follow me rather follow Bible
And I say it again the Bible is the final authority
God can not go against his own word
God Himself can not go against the Bible because the word of God is God
the word Is what holds everything together
That is why we must follow the written word of God which is the final authority

MaxInDHouse:
Where you failed woefully is inability to reason that each of those arguing with you have different teachers like yourself but they're all claiming Holy Spirit taught them so that keeps you in the dark as to the reason why you're all contradicting one another with the same book (Bible)
Because Jehovah's Witnesses told you that the teaching that binds us together comes from what the GB taught us in the Bible that's why you're hammering on their name.
All of you have teachers teaching you contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines!

Bishopkingsley:
1 Corinthians 3
Paul and Apollos, Servants of Christ
1.Dear brothers and sisters, when I was with you I couldn’t talk to you as I would to spiritual people. I had to talk as though you belonged to this world or as though you were infants in Christ.
2. I had to feed you with milk, not with solid food, because you weren’t ready for anything stronger. And you still aren’t ready,
3. for you are still controlled by your sinful nature. You are jealous of one another and quarrel with each other. Doesn’t that prove you are controlled by your sinful nature? Aren’t you living like people of the world?
4. When one of you says, “I am a follower of Paul,” and another says, “I follow Apollos,” aren’t you acting just like people of the world?

5 After all, who is Apollos? Who is Paul? We are only God’s servants through whom you believed the Good News. Each of us did the work the Lord gave us.
6. I planted the seed in your hearts, and Apollos watered it, but it was God who made it grow.
7. It’s not important who does the planting, or who does the watering. What’s important is that God makes the seed grow.
8. The one who plants and the one who waters work together with the same purpose. And both will be rewarded for their own hard work.
9. For we are both God’s workers. And you are God’s field. You are God’s building.

10 Because of God’s grace to me, I have laid the foundation like an expert builder. Now others are building on it. But whoever is building on this foundation must be very careful.
11. For no one can lay any foundation other than the one we already have—Jesus Christ.

Summary
From this place you will see only
Only children follow pastor or follow GB mature mind in God only follow Jesus and Bible


The person to follow is Jesus Christ and the Bible
What you fail to do is look at the people what they say
Many people have said to you the same thing I said so you only see the few people who disagree with me by the way those who did not follow the things I say have you not noticed that they do not follow the Bible

You can't blame me when someone who refuses to follow the Bible argue with me you should know that person is already not from God

Read the Bible those who argue with Jesus never understand God and the Bible so are you going to blame Jesus when Jesus rebuke them and correct them

You can't say to Jesus hey you and them are not saying the real truth because Jesus only follows the Bible even when Satan tempt him Jesus kept saying it is written

So only the Bible is our guiding word

MaxInDHouse:
At least i know that Jehovah's Witnesses are following what the Bible says and they're not contradicting themselves but it's your brethren that's been arguing with you since e.g BassReeves who addressed you as "beloved brother" despite all the contradictions between the two of you!
That's why none of you is my own brother except Jehovah's Witnesses with whom i share the same line of thought! Matthew 12:46-50

Bishopkingsley:
You said the holy spirit has no gender let see what Jesus said

John 16:13 ►
But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.

New Living Translation
When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own but will tell you what he has heard. He will tell you about the future.


Jesus called him he he he he he he

Let see new world translation

13 However, when that one* comes, the spirit of the truth,+ he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak of his own initiative, but what he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things to come.+ 14 That one will glorify me,+ because he will receive from what is mine and will declare it to you.+ 15 All the things that the Father has are mine.+ That is why I said he receives from what is mine and declares it to you. 16 In a little while you will see me no longer,+ and again, in a little while you will see me.”


[s]He he he only a person is called he he he [/s]

Jesus correctly called Greek PARACLETOS ('Helper/Advocate') "He", because Greek PARACLETOS ('helper/Advocate') is a masculine noun @ John 16:13-14.
Holy spirit is personified as "helper/Advocate" is a Greek masculine noun @ John 16:13-14.
NWT footnotes @ John 16:13-14 (screenshot) explained that with clarity.

Biblestudytools, your Trinitarian mentors proven that "Greek PARACLETOS is a masculine noun.
LIENUS of a Bishop

Bishopkingsley:
GB are not following the Bible

At least the name of your church will tell you what you people follow there is only one name that is above every name and that is

Jesus Christ

[s]So you people don't follow the Bible now you say you are not my brother but Bible said we all came from Adam
[/s]
[s]So do you see you don't even follow Bible
Now you follow a fake Bible because the first thing your founder did was to print out a fake Bible that is why everyone calls JW cult because they follow fake Bible [/s]

There is no place in the Bible that says JW organization is the mother of God that is actually blasphemy and an abomination but JW told you people that they are the mother of God

You once told Me that JW organization can save you until I blast you with the word of God before you correct your self

[s]Even now you hold on to many fake things that Bible condemn
[/s]
Let me ask you is Jesus Christ the only one who can save you because it is only the person who can save you that you can worship so do you agree to worship the God man Jesus that can save you

Bishop LIENUS Is confused & he proceeds with FALSE claims upandan.

John 4:24 & Matthew 4:10, did Jesus Christ instruct Bishop to give Jesus worship?

Confused LIENUS

Janosky:
No,
Jesus correctly called Greek PARACLETOS ('Helper/Advocate') "He", because Greek PARACLETOS ('helper/Advocate') is a masculine noun @ John 16:13-14.
Holy spirit is personified as "helper/Advocate" is a Greek masculine noun @ John 16:13-14.
NWT footnotes @ John 16:13-14 (screenshot) explained that with clarity.

Biblestudytools, your Trinitarian mentors proven that "Greek PARACLETOS is a masculine noun.
LIENUS of a Bishop

Janosky:
Bishop LIENUS Is confused & he proceeds with FALSE claims upandan.

John 4:24 & Matthew 4:10, did Jesus Christ instruct Bishop to give Jesus worship?

Confused LIENUS

Janosky:
No, Jesus correctly called Greek PARACLETOS ('Helper/Advocate') "He", because Greek PARACLETOS ('helper/Advocate') is a masculine noun @ John 16:13-14.

Imagine this nonsense from the great Master of Nonsense JaNosense.

Jesus called GREEK paracletos

So Holy Spirit is called He in short, if not Jesus wouldn't have used MASCULINE NOUN for Him.

Holy spirit is personified as "helper/Advocate" is a Greek masculine noun @ John 16:13-14.
NWT footnotes @ John 16:13-14 (screenshot) explained that with clarity.

That's why you can only provide NWT footnote because no other sources ever say Holy Spirit is personified in John 16:13-14

Remove the false claim of PERSONIFICATION from your lying doctrine and see how it'll crumble in second.

Biblestudytools, your Trinitarian mentors proven that "Greek PARACLETOS is a masculine noun.
LIENUS of a Bishop

Bishopkingsley:
You are saying what has no sense

Read all the things Jesus said the holy spirit will do and what the holy spirit will say

A force can not say those things

Your problem is you don't read the Bible properly and your founder did not read it very well that why he teaches you people wrong information

Look at what the holy spirit can do

He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.

Only a person that is God can tell you the future

Janosky:
Bishop LIENUS Is confused & he proceeds with FALSE claims upandan.

John 4:24 & Matthew 4:10, did Jesus Christ instruct Bishop to give Jesus worship?

Confused LIENUS

Emusan:
They don't read Bible but watchtower and awake publications.

The question they can never answer on the issue of the Holy Spirit with their false claim of personification is: What make a person qualified to be PERSON that the Bible didn't use for Holy Spirit?

Bible on Holy Spirit attributes:
1. Holy Spirit can speak
2. Holy Spirit has intellectual
3. Holy Spirit can hear meaning He can be communicated to and responded accordingly.
4. Holy Spirit has MIND (in fact this feature alone is enough for any rational being)
5. Holy Spirit has WILL

The reason for denying the personhood of the Holy Spirit is because they know Bible portrayed Holy Spirit to be an ETERNAL, UNCREATED & within the Being of God. That's why they came with the lies of personification.

So if they accept Holy Spirit personhood, their attack against Trinity will be shattered.

That's why no JWs will ever answer you if you ask them; everything that exists is created apart from Jehovah, so was Holy Spirit created?

Bishopkingsley:
GB are not following the Bible