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pansophist:
Rubbish. Total, arrant, rubbish.

Using your logic, Nigeria is 50% men, how many women are electric pole climbers, shit packers, truck drivers, thief catchers, bricklayers, panel beaters, cow killers and more ? All my life, I've never seen women do these jobs. A question for you Mr equality, do you know any women that applied for these jobs that was rejected? Just one?

One more thing to add, the Scandinavia is praised as being the region on earth where gender equality is a reality of life. The government in Sweden comprises of women mostly even, just go to youtube and search for "Swedish House of assembly", its mostly women. Still, women don't do this jobs. Infact it is proven that the more equal a society becomes, then the work disparity widens.

Men still earn more than women everywhere because men do the jobs women don't want to do. Everywhere, there are advertisement about recruiting more women in STEM fields, but few applies. Now put advert about models needed, then it would be filled with women. The failure to accept that men and women are not the same, and also do not want the same thing is the basis for expecting 50/50 everywhere.

Nonsense

pocohantas:
The good thing about this thread is, suddenly MOST Nigerian women are doing well educationally and career-wise.

Suddenly, most NL guys would know rich independent women.

I am very grateful for this thread. I don’t want to see anyone say Nigerian ladies are dull and jobless again.

DoggoneDogg:
It is a FACT that female entertainers make more money than their male counterparts. Men are not complaining because entertainment is more or less a female thing.

However, in fields related to men like football & contact sports for example, you women STILL claim to be marginalized.

This is pure hypocrisy & manipulation.

This is exactly why female achievements are not regarded as credible because there is that lingering notion that she may have gotten it by cheating.

Godoverevery:
What is the point of sending a female child to school and empowering her if at the end of it all she still feels marginalised.

Right from my primary school in the early 90's till this point I always competit with ladies on the same level ground...nothing was given to me freely because am a man.
Is really annoying that people like ini edo and co will always come out to play the same old card of African female child/women are marginalised....this am a woman change is a total nonsense because is fellow women that mocks themselves.

I will be analysing every sector and section of social life to prove this old lies wrong

Education
Just take a look around you and tell me which female child is actually stopped from going to school because of her gender......Right from my primary school untill university there were more female student than the male......we receive the same quality of Education so were the marginalisation??

Work/job
Currently in nigeria is easy for a woman to get a job than a man.....Apart from the engineering sector which is dominated by the male most sector is dominated by the female(banks,medical,hotels,entertainment)...so were the marginalisation.

Politics
Nobody gifts anyone an elective post anywhere in the world rather you fight for it....Men fight for it with blood and sweat so if a woman wants to hold this post she must be ready to fight not expecting to be handed over on a platter.
If a woman should come out to contest for elective post in this country even her fellow women won't vote for her....so were is the marginalisation

Entertainment
Is no news apart from music which men dominant the movie industry is dominated by the female who make more money than the male....people like ini edo won't question why they are paid more than there male colleagues in the same profession.

Relationship/marriage
Today in nigeria if you can not provide for your family u are useless man.....even in ordinary relationship a lady will expect you to provide things she needs..No money No love yet they still complain and play victim card.
They can't date broke guys but will expect well to do guys to date a lady who can't even do a 1k sub for herself......they only have the right to choose but not men......were is the marginalisation

In marriage you pay to marry her,you provide shelter, food,clothing etc...if the marriage crash you pay child support.....A full adult totally dependent on another and still feel she meant to be equal with him......were is the marginalisation


State and federal government pays equally to both gender on the same level
Private sector pays equally to both gender on the same level.

I have a lil sis.....there was nothing I enjoy or had that she didn't get from our parent.....I challenge any lady here to tell me how she was treated inferior to her brothers.

What is the point of sending a female child to school from primary to higher institution and at the end of the day she will be totally dependent on the man and will always feel she isn't given enough to be independent.

The moment we start debunking the lies and stop victim mentality the better for the next generation of girls.....this lies is the reason why most our ladies are unproductive and lazy.

Help the female child by letting her know she can do it on her own.....she can competit and no one can stop her except herself.

Women stop spreading the message of victim mentality/marginalisation to our girls this 2021 not 1960.

SenecaTheYonger:
Presidents are not chosen based on law and culture but by law and politics. Nobody is going to throw a crown on a woman and call her president without her getting in the mud and fighting it out with other candidates

PrimadonnaO:
You know you've not said anything, yeah?

How has the paternalistic society stopped women from aspiring to be Presidentz et al?

DoggoneDogg:
So why was Ini Edo complaining??

FreeIgboho:
But they can systemically discourage her right from birth to even think of aspiring to such

Arelyn:
O.P, you are fast about this as I was planning to write something about this Ini Edo comment during the course of the weekend....

The truth is this ideology is one of the major problem that is destroying our society. Women playing this victim card has encouraged the formulation of loads of societal policies to protect them like an endangered specie while men has to pick the crumbs off the table

Success is not handed out to men on a platter of gold, in short men do engage in unhealthy competition amongst themselves to get to the top but naturally concede excellence or success to a woman that can show enough grit and determination

I work in IT field and can tell you men are not doing better than woman that believe their success lies upstairs in their brains and not in between their legs. It is more natural for a determined lady to get to the pinnacle of her career compared to a man that has to fight both tooth and nail to get recognition for his effort among the sea of men in similar space

After careful study and a bit of anecdotal experience, I realized that the statement tries to provide comfort or solace for ladies with lazy mentality and mediocrity ideology. They blame failure on their environment or society without recognition of their gross incompetence in the management of opportunities around them

In present day times compared to many years back in Nigeria, it's is much easier to solicit for sex with money or affluence because we are blessed with a large chuck of women that don't want to try but use every form of packaging to present prostitution in a acceptable and less demaging manner which is quite obvious in her- Ini Edo's, sector of the economy

Anytime you hear people say that around, tell them to make research on the percentage of women enrolling in traditionally male dominated courses and see how well they are doing, the number of female financial institutions CEO in Nigeria and the world at large speaks volume of my submission

Godoverevery:
What is the point of sending a female child to school and empowering her if at the end of it all she still feels marginalised.

Right from my primary school in the early 90's till this point I always competit with ladies on the same level ground...nothing was given to me freely because am a man.
Is really annoying that people like ini edo and co will always come out to play the same old card of African female child/women are marginalised....this am a woman change is a total nonsense because is fellow women that mocks themselves.

I will be analysing every sector and section of social life to prove this old lies wrong

Education
Just take a look around you and tell me which female child is actually stopped from going to school because of her gender......Right from my primary school untill university there were more female student than the male......we receive the same quality of Education so were the marginalisation??

Work/job
Currently in nigeria is easy for a woman to get a job than a man.....Apart from the engineering sector which is dominated by the male most sector is dominated by the female(banks,medical,hotels,entertainment)...so were the marginalisation.

Politics
Nobody gifts anyone an elective post anywhere in the world rather you fight for it....Men fight for it with blood and sweat so if a woman wants to hold this post she must be ready to fight not expecting to be handed over on a platter.
If a woman should come out to contest for elective post in this country even her fellow women won't vote for her....so were is the marginalisation

Entertainment
Is no news apart from music which men dominant the movie industry is dominated by the female who make more money than the male....people like ini edo won't question why they are paid more than there male colleagues in the same profession.

Relationship/marriage
Today in nigeria if you can not provide for your family u are useless man.....even in ordinary relationship a lady will expect you to provide things she needs..No money No love yet they still complain and play victim card.
They can't date broke guys but will expect well to do guys to date a lady who can't even do a 1k sub for herself......they only have the right to choose but not men......were is the marginalisation

In marriage you pay to marry her,you provide shelter, food,clothing etc...if the marriage crash you pay child support.....A full adult totally dependent on another and still feel she meant to be equal with him......were is the marginalisation


State and federal government pays equally to both gender on the same level
Private sector pays equally to both gender on the same level.

I have a lil sis.....there was nothing I enjoy or had that she didn't get from our parent.....I challenge any lady here to tell me how she was treated inferior to her brothers.

What is the point of sending a female child to school from primary to higher institution and at the end of the day she will be totally dependent on the man and will always feel she isn't given enough to be independent.

The moment we start debunking the lies and stop victim mentality the better for the next generation of girls.....this lies is the reason why most our ladies are unproductive and lazy.

Help the female child by letting her know she can do it on her own.....she can competit and no one can stop her except herself.

Women stop spreading the message of victim mentality/marginalisation to our girls this 2021 not 1960.

BRATISLAVA:
A thread for men, by men of women.

Wonderment.

Justbehave:
This one is really touching and still yet,they feel men are marginalizing them. This only prove a point. Women are greedy and difficult to satisfy.
I pity men who are still blind to what is happening.

cococandy:
The people you’re addressing are too dumb for this conversation.
As if outlawing gender based marginalization automatically means everyone’s mindset has changed and men in authority will stop their discrimination against women.

It’s like talking to goats. They won’t get it

Godoverevery:
What is the point of sending a female child to school and empowering her if at the end of it all she still feels marginalised.

Right from my primary school in the early 90's till this point I always competit with ladies on the same level ground...nothing was given to me freely because am a man.
Is really annoying that people like ini edo and co will always come out to play the same old card of African female child/women are marginalised....this am a woman change is a total nonsense because is fellow women that mocks themselves.

I will be analysing every sector and section of social life to prove this old lies wrong

Education
Just take a look around you and tell me which female child is actually stopped from going to school because of her gender......Right from my primary school untill university there were more female student than the male......we receive the same quality of Education so were the marginalisation??

Work/job
Currently in nigeria is easy for a woman to get a job than a man.....Apart from the engineering sector which is dominated by the male most sector is dominated by the female(banks,medical,hotels,entertainment)...so were the marginalisation.

Politics
Nobody gifts anyone an elective post anywhere in the world rather you fight for it....Men fight for it with blood and sweat so if a woman wants to hold this post she must be ready to fight not expecting to be handed over on a platter.
If a woman should come out to contest for elective post in this country even her fellow women won't vote for her....so were is the marginalisation

Entertainment
Is no news apart from music which men dominant the movie industry is dominated by the female who make more money than the male....people like ini edo won't question why they are paid more than there male colleagues in the same profession.

Relationship/marriage
Today in nigeria if you can not provide for your family u are useless man.....even in ordinary relationship a lady will expect you to provide things she needs..No money No love yet they still complain and play victim card.
They can't date broke guys but will expect well to do guys to date a lady who can't even do a 1k sub for herself......they only have the right to choose but not men......were is the marginalisation

In marriage you pay to marry her,you provide shelter, food,clothing etc...if the marriage crash you pay child support.....A full adult totally dependent on another and still feel she meant to be equal with him......were is the marginalisation


State and federal government pays equally to both gender on the same level
Private sector pays equally to both gender on the same level.

I have a lil sis.....there was nothing I enjoy or had that she didn't get from our parent.....I challenge any lady here to tell me how she was treated inferior to her brothers.

What is the point of sending a female child to school from primary to higher institution and at the end of the day she will be totally dependent on the man and will always feel she isn't given enough to be independent.

The moment we start debunking the lies and stop victim mentality the better for the next generation of girls.....this lies is the reason why most our ladies are unproductive and lazy.

Help the female child by letting her know she can do it on her own.....she can competit and no one can stop her except herself.

Women stop spreading the message of victim mentality/marginalisation to our girls this 2021 not 1960.

badman007:
This is the most stupid thing I’ve read all year.
In a world full of people with obvious religious prejudice and Bias against women. It goes to show how Unenlightened and uninformed you are about the issue of women’s rights/marginalisation.

cococandy:
The people you’re addressing are too dumb for this conversation.
As if outlawing gender based marginalization automatically means everyone’s mindset has changed and men in authority will stop their discrimination against women.

It’s like talking to goats. They won’t get it

Owen247:
have seen elder bros make life sacrifices for their younger sis. While some willing,able and ready sis struggled to make sure that d familys sacrifice isnt in vain. One guy for my area was shot and killed abroad.y ? Niga go dey push drugs to train em younger sis them. Now where em younger sis them dey? Their all single mothers at home out of wedlock. One other guy droped out of MOUAU and started electrical biz and stil had to erect a house for his mum and sis dem, he was d one dat stil had to bury his late fada. And stil have to be payin his sis dem uni sch fees and all dey do when back frm sch is to stay indoors and paint lips and nails while my guy hustles for d raba. My guy mata plenty, free this lazy girls dem.

Hyerin:
I see that this thread was created to incite the never-ending gender wars but anyways...

First things first, it's quite ironic you proudly claim females are not marginalized in a third world country (with its widespread poverty and ranking 133 in gender equality index) which is heavily traditional/custom-based and religious (the two being major culprits for female subjugation).

According to Statista, literacy rate in urban areas in Nigeria is 86% for males and 74% for females and this is not even factoring rural areas, to paint an overall picture of the differences between education rates for both sexes because let's face it, the gap would be much wider due to traditions, customs, religion etc that relegates women to just the kitchen and marriage alone. Take the north for instance, were it is acceptable to marry off girl children at the onset of puberty and education not being emphasized/encouraged for females. That, In and of itself, is marginalization. Make no mistake though, the north isn't the only region were females are barred from accessing education. So your point doesn't hold much weight.

And to prove my point:

Access to education for school-age girls in Nigeria is also low. Statistics from Nigeria’s Universal Basic Education Commission (UBEC) showed that males had higher enrolment numbers for basic education as of 2018. Also, in the 2019 West African Senior School Certificate Examination (WASSCE) in Nigeria, only 48.30% per cent of the total number of candidates were female. However, Nigeria girls have shown incredible excellence in potential. According to UBEC, females had the most basic education promotion and completion rates. Also, 50.23% of the candidates who got five credits inclusive of English and Mathematics in 2019 WASSCE were female.

Source: dataphyte.com

In the area of work/job, how is it much easier for a female to get one and not a male? Can you provide statistics or a study that supports your line of argument? Because with the crippling economy and high unemployment, how is it possible at all for ANYONE to get a job.

A simple Google search is all it takes for you to not be ignorant.

Findings further reveal a gender discrepancy in economic empowerment. According to the United Nations Development Programme, Nigerian women only earn 77 cents for every dollar that men get for the same work. This means that a Nigerian woman would earn ₦7,700 for a ₦10,000 job. In fact, even though women comprise slightly less than 50% of Nigeria’s population, they account for over 70% of those in extreme poverty. Another manifestation of the economic inequality experienced by Nigerian women is financial exclusion. As much as seven in 10 Nigerian women do not own bank accounts and more than half of them are financially excluded. Also, while women accounted for most of Nigeria’s agricultural workforce (75% in 2014), they represent only 13% of agricultural landowners.

Source: dataphyte.com

And even when they are employed, females still face discrimination. This is an abstract from a study:

[b]The need to reduce the gender pay gap is an ongoing concern in developing countries. One aspect of gender inequality that is often neglected is the gender pay differential in the public and private sectors. In Nigeria, the structure and employee entry into public and private sectors differ significantly and could constitute a source of pay gap. This study decomposed the wage gap individually in the public and private sectors in Nigeria in 2009 using the Blinder–Oaxaca and quantile decomposition methods. The findings point to a smaller gender pay gap in the public sector compared to the private sector, due to better educational qualifications and higher income stream arising from longer stay in the workforce. Discrimination accounts for a significant portion of gender wage gap, although it is larger in the private sector. Women selection bias is a prominent factor in the private sector, while it is not much of a concern in the public sector. The results also show the existence of glass ceiling in the public sector and sticky floor in the private sector. Policies to address discrimination against women either in wage setting or hiring process should be introduced in both sectors. Increased participation of women in the private sector through creation of women-friendly jobs should be promoted in order to close the wage gap. Mandatory compliance with minimum wage regulations in the private sector should be enforced to attract more women to the sector and therefore narrow the wage gap at the bottom.[/b]
Source: link.springer.com

A quick Google search nullifies all your points


In the area of politics

[b]There are multiple factors. Some are related to the political party systems and structures. For instance, the high cost of politics prevents women from standing for positions. Often women don’t have enough money to pay for the mandatory expression of interest and nomination forms required by political parties to run for positions on their platforms. In addition, election campaign costs are exorbitant. And poor access to education means poor access to gainful employment. Unpaid labour burdens, unequal inheritance rights and outright discrimination also mean that women are less likely to be able to afford to follow through the process of getting leadership positions.

There are also societal factors that impede women’s representation. They include cultural or religious norms surrounding marriage, indigeneship – a concept that recognises only ethnic groups native to a particular state – and the structures that portray women as subordinate to men.

Even educated women face hindrances. They encounter gender stereotypes that assign leadership to men, sexual assault, pay gaps and unpaid labour, including child care and housework, placing them at a disadvantage.

There is also a lack of political will and effective government action.

The media give poor coverage to female candidates. It’s not the same as the coverage men get. Women candidates are often subjected to gender related electoral violence, threats and hate speech because of the perception that women want to get what is traditionally men’s.

Why is representation of women in politics important?
As about half of the population are women, their participation will create a balance of power between genders. This is an indicator of development in any society. Over the years, I’ve witnessed a rise in the number of women serving in elected and appointed political position, the world over. But that is not the case for Nigerian women.

The full and equitable participation of women in public life is essential to building and sustaining strong, vibrant democracies. When women are not participating in politics, it’s less likely that policies will benefit them. Women need to participate to bring attention to issues that uniquely affect them, and to change attitudes towards gender.[/b]
Source: theconversation.com

A quick and simple Google search



In the area of Marriage

You lot act like you're doing women a favour when you marry them. You literally do not. Both women and men are providers in marriage because most households are dual-income. The wife literally has more burdens because she majorly takes care of the kids, cleans the house and still goes to work. You men are so whiny, grow up!

A simple Google search nullifies all your points. You're just an ignoramus.

membranus:
Don't you have any other objection than this your "paternalistic society" rebuttal. Even what you meant by the term, and how it has affected the Okonjo Iwealla, Awosika, Usman, Ezekwesili, Merkel and Thatcher from getting to the top, you failed to enlighten us. You keep on repeating the same thing. Please find better argument to butress your point.

dollynnn:
You are correct.

SenecaTheYonger:
No they can’t. Stop looking for excuses.

FreeIgboho:
You are making my point! All those are jobs that put food on the table and women are systemically excluded from them! Yet u are insisting they contribute to family expenses equal to men. How hard is it to drive a taxi? But women are systemically excluded from it by societal expectations not because it is hard!

pocohantas:
And punish the ones that say Nigerian men are the only ones working and providing for 99% of homes.

sorry o. We have just gotten to realize you men even notice we are doing well educationally and career-wise. The Op even said the female entertainers get paid MORE than the males. Meaning it is normal that they are buying houses na.

Let me bookmark this thread.

The future is…

I am beginning to see that Nigerian women are hardworkers. That Nigerian women make up majority of the banking sector. That Nigerian women are not jobless and dull.

Most importantly, you can get men to agree with you by making them think they are disagreeing with you.

God bless Nigerian women.

SenecaTheYonger:
He literally explained this in his post about wine not wanting to play politics because of how deadly it is.

At least Learn to read. There’s nothing stopping a women from being president. It’s not written in the constitution that a woman cannot be president. But there are less women willing to do it because they don’t venture into dangerous field.
Who made it dangerous? Surely it can't be the women who haven't had a chance to look in.
So answer the question please.

cococandy:
The people you’re addressing are too dumb for this conversation.
As if outlawing gender based marginalization automatically means everyone’s mindset has changed and men in authority will stop their discrimination against women.

It’s like talking to goats. They won’t get it

cococandy:
It may surprise you to know that people speak on issues not necessarily because it affects them directly but because those who are affected may not have the voice and reach to make the changes they need.

Very surprising

Godoverevery:
All this are just tools to keep on limiting the girl child.

Let talk about the North.......we aren't that naive to fact even the male child are not educated as well??.....the almajiri system affect both gender.

The educated family among them don't marry off there child of at 15yrs or pls show me any educated man in the north marrying off is child at 15yrs.

You can keep playing the Victim card but please next time speak about your own experience.

Where you marginalised in your family

Did your parent marry you off at 15yrs??

Did your parent stop you from going to school

reddingtonblack:
The only problem i have with your post is the word i cancelled, pls alway chose the real fact above your fact. the highest paid musicians remains the male. talk of;
wizkid, davido, burna boy, mr eazi, olamide, flavour, kiss daniel respectively, before we now have aunty tiwa savage we hope are sextape boost are to 3rd or 4th, maybe d marginalisation noise go reduce sef

pocohantas:
The OP is actually correct. Henceforth I hope we are all in agreement that Nigerian women are doing well in all spheres.

Someone like you knows a rich working woman sef. So this woman can buy a GL43 tomorrow and she won’t get called olosho. She worked for her money. This one sweet o.



Nothing to counter. OP is very correct. Nigerian women are not being marginalized, they are doing well educationally and professionally.

The future is…



Y’all get triggered even when they agree with you? Wonderful.

pocohantas:
The OP is actually correct. Henceforth I hope we are all in agreement that Nigerian women are doing well in all spheres.

Someone like you knows a rich working woman sef. So this woman can buy a GL43 tomorrow and she won’t get called olosho. She worked for her money. This one sweet o.



Nothing to counter. OP is very correct. Nigerian women are not being marginalized, they are doing well educationally and professionally.

The future is…



Y’all get triggered even when they agree with you? Wonderful.