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Re: Marriage Is Not About Unconditional Love by reddingtonblack: 9:22am On Oct 26, 2021
Spectaclesawe25:


Know this and know peace.
Otherwise heartbreak is sure in marriage.
For men, you can't get loyalty and honour from your wife if you don't secure her financially, securing her financially is only a function of her own expectation and need at any time T, as a woman you can't get to feel secure if you don't trust and believe in your man, and also help him to win in his little battles. These qualities from both parties aren't even at 50% in most homes. Forget love. True commitment, trust and believe is what grows a home, love comes after.



when you say "forget love"... does it mean you as a person can give trust, believe & be fully committed to a partner you don" t love undecided
Love comes after, how ? without feelings you just pick somebody invest ur time & effort just to hope love comes after undecided you must be a badass gambler.
i think it is feelings that propel efforts & commitment in r/ships, if i don't love you why should i lift a finger for you.
Re: Marriage Is Not About Unconditional Love by bepositive11: 11:08am On Oct 26, 2021
Hathor5:
Do you agree?

I am watching a series and in one of the episodes a couple goes to see a marriage counselor. She tells them that marriage is not about unconditional love but an agreement to show up the best we can. It is meant to challenge each spouse to bring out the best in them.

How useful is this kind of advice?

I personally believe that genuine love is unconditional. And when we love someone, we want to nurture them to become better versions of themselves. We want to watch them grow and thrive. But there's a catch. Some people want to grow but some people want to remain the same

This is why I believe that marriage involves unconditional love and conditional commitment. One of the conditions for commitment being that they are willing to grow into better versions of themselves

Love can also be either healthy or toxic. Healthy love is the one that supports growth and toxic love is the one that hinders personal growth. You can see toxic love in abusive relationships

So, when talking about love, it's also important to distinguish between the healthy one and the toxic one too.
Re: Marriage Is Not About Unconditional Love by Reptyle(m): 11:13am On Oct 26, 2021
Hathor5:


Can you forgive all kinds of "thorns" and still love your spouse?

Yes I can...but it is not easy. Takes some work to be able to do that.

Like I said, once you understand that the person you are marrying is not 100%, it becomes a bit easier to let go and forgive when they offend you.
Re: Marriage Is Not About Unconditional Love by Magnoliaa(f): 11:17am On Oct 26, 2021
after4:
For me, love is is a decision with or without emotions


Oh. I just remembered another definition now... I like to learn from people sha and there are some things I don't know. I find it very unrealistic to be everything to yourself.

So love according to this person is: a commitment to the betterment of the other person.

And I strongly agree with it.
Re: Marriage Is Not About Unconditional Love by Hathor5(f): 11:43am On Oct 26, 2021
bepositive11:


I personally believe that genuine love is unconditional. And when we love someone, we want to nurture them to become better versions of themselves. We want to watch them grow and thrive. But there's a catch. Some people want to grow but some people want to remain the same

This is why I believe that marriage involves unconditional love and conditional commitment. One of the conditions for commitment being that they are willing to grow into better versions of themselves

Love can also be either healthy or toxic. Healthy love is the one that supports growth and toxic love is the one that hinders personal growth. You can see toxic love in abusive relationships

So, when talking about love, it's also important to distinguish between the healthy one and the toxic one too.

You started with nurturing the other to bring the best out of them but my thread started on the premise that marriage is about bringing the best in ourselves not in our spouse.
Re: Marriage Is Not About Unconditional Love by after4: 12:14pm On Oct 26, 2021
Yes we can also look at it that way, as a decision to be committed to someone irrespective of that person's baggage



Magnoliaa:


Oh. I just remembered another definition now... I like to learn from people sha and there are some things I don't know. I find it very unrealistic to be everything to yourself.

So love according to this person is: a commitment to the betterment of the other person.

And I strongly agree with it.

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Re: Marriage Is Not About Unconditional Love by bepositive11: 12:52pm On Oct 26, 2021
Hathor5:


You started with nurturing the other to bring the best out of them but my thread started on the premise that marriage is about bringing the best in ourselves not in our spouse.

I think it goes both ways. And with or without marriage, we should still strive to be the best version of ourselves

We're all growing. A newly wedded couple won't be the same 10 years down the line. By then, they would've experienced growth both individually and as a couple
Re: Marriage Is Not About Unconditional Love by Kobojunkie: 3:45pm On Oct 26, 2021
DeRichard:
2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

The scriptures came by inspiration of God and understanding the Bible is not just by mere reading the text. The meanings of the scriptures are more than just the text. It takes the grace of God to fully understand the Bible.

No man who claims to be a Christian will disobey the words of Christ.
Even the very out of the mouth of Satan, demons and devils, also written of in the very same scripture are "inspired" of God yet they are still lies, are they not? undecided

Your Bible is not not Word of God - Jesus Christ is the Word out of God's own mouth , God's Truth that is every Word out of God's Mouth - Matthew 4 vs 4 & John 14 vs 1 - 6. undecided

Yet again you include a description of your very own self in bold there. Why do you feign blindness to the reality that is you? Several, you have denied the very Word of Jesus Christ as written in Luke 20 vs 34 - 36, opting instead for the opinions expressed by Paul in one of his many letters. Yet you think yourself a Christian even at this? undecided
Re: Marriage Is Not About Unconditional Love by DeRichard(m): 4:06pm On Oct 26, 2021
Kobojunkie:
Even the very out of the mouth of Satan, demons and devils, also written of in the very same scripture are "inspired" of God yet they are still lies, are they not? undecided

Your Bible is not not Word of God - Jesus Christ is the Word out of God's own mouth , God's Truth that is every Word out of God's Mouth - Matthew 4 vs 4 & John 14 vs 1 - 6. undecided

Yet again you include a description of your very own self in bold there. Why do you feign blindness to the reality that is you? Several, you have denied the very Word of Jesus Christ as written in Luke 20 vs 34 - 36, opting instead for the opinions expressed by Paul in one of his many letters. Yet you think yourself a Christian even at this? undecided

Paul's words were inspired of God and Jesus spoke the very word of God. The word of God never contradicts be it spoken by Jesus or his apostles.
Re: Marriage Is Not About Unconditional Love by Kobojunkie: 4:11pm On Oct 26, 2021
DeRichard:
Paul's words were inspired of God and Jesus spoke the very word of God. The word of God never contradicts be it spoken by Jesus or his apostles.
Again,
Kobojunkie:
Even the very out of the mouth of Satan, demons and devils, also written of in the very same scripture are "inspired" of God yet they are still lies, are they not? undecided

Your Bible is not the Word of God - Jesus Christ is the Word out of God's own mouth , God's Truth that is every Word out of God's Mouth - Matthew 4 vs 4 & John 14 vs 1 - 6. undecided
God doesn't contradict Himself, and, He warned you against trusting in the words of men, including Paul - Jeremiah 17 vs 5 undecided

P.S. Look up the meaning of the word 'inspired' so you don't keep confusing it with the word 'true'. undecided
Re: Marriage Is Not About Unconditional Love by Hathor5(f): 5:37pm On Oct 26, 2021
Reptyle:


Yes I can...but it is not easy. Takes some work to be able to do that.

Like I said, once you understand that the person you are marrying is not 100%, it becomes a bit easier to let go and forgive when they offend you.

Are you saying that you can forgive all of the following?

- cheating
- cheating with your best friend
- cheating with your brother
- cheating repeatedly
- insulting your mom
- stealing from you
- paternity fraud
- revealing your secrets

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Re: Marriage Is Not About Unconditional Love by DeRichard(m): 5:49pm On Oct 26, 2021
Kobojunkie:
Again, God doesn't contradict Himself, and, He warned you against trusting in the words of men, including Paul - Jeremiah 17 vs 5 undecided

P.S. Look up the meaning of the word 'inspired' so you don't keep confusing it with the word 'true'. undecided

The commandments of God also came through the mouth of apostle Paul and they are of relevance in living the Christian life.
Re: Marriage Is Not About Unconditional Love by Kobojunkie: 6:03pm On Oct 26, 2021
DeRichard:
The commandments of God also came through the mouth of apostle Paul and they are of relevance in living the Christian life.
The commandments of God came to us through Jesus Christ, the one who is the embodiment of God's Law in the Kingdom of God. He is God's Truth- Law - and the Eternal Life(grace) that all those who enter into His Kingdom are ruled over by and gifted with. undecided

In Matthew 4 vs 4, Jesus Christ all but declared to you that it is He, the one who is the Word out of God's Mouth, that you are to live - He is ruler and Law in the Kingdom of God. So any opinion or word contrary to that decreed by Jesus Christ Himself is against Him and not of His Law. undecided

It is a sin to add or remove from God's Law and God's Law to us was ratified on the cross when Jesus Christ declared, "It is finished!". And the same Jesus Christ informed you that not a jot of the Word of God, His Law included, will pass away or change until after Heaven and Earth have passed. undecided

So whatever commandment you claim to have received from Paul, I suggest you validate each and every one of them against Jesus Christ's teachings and commandments as given to you in the 4 Gospels, this to be certain you even follow Jesus Christ and not a mere man. undecided
Re: Marriage Is Not About Unconditional Love by DeRichard(m): 6:47pm On Oct 26, 2021
Kobojunkie:
The commandments of God came to us through Jesus Christ, the one who is the embodiment of God's Law in the Kingdom of God. He is God's Truth- Law - and the Eternal Life(grace) that all those who enter into His Kingdom are ruled over by and gifted with. undecided

In Matthew 4 vs 4, Jesus Christ all but declared to you that it is He, the one who is the Word out of God's Mouth, that you are to live - He is ruler and Law in the Kingdom of God. So any opinion or word contrary to that decreed by Jesus Christ Himself is against Him and not of His Law. undecided

It is a sin to add or remove from God's Law and God's Law to us was ratified on the cross when Jesus Christ declared, "It is finished!". And the same Jesus Christ informed you that not a jot of the Word of God, His Law included, will pass away or change until after Heaven and Earth have passed. undecided

So whatever commandment you claim to have received from Paul, I suggest you validate each and every one of them against Jesus Christ's teachings and commandments as given to you in the 4 Gospels, this to be certain you even follow Jesus Christ and not a mere man. undecided

Hmmm... It's well.
Re: Marriage Is Not About Unconditional Love by Kobojunkie: 6:48pm On Oct 26, 2021
DeRichard:
Hmmm... It's well.
Unless you realize that right now you are not serving Jesus Christ but another master, it is certainly not well at all. undecided
Re: Marriage Is Not About Unconditional Love by DeRichard(m): 6:50pm On Oct 26, 2021
Kobojunkie:
Unless you realize that right now you are not serving Jesus Christ but another master, it is certainly not well at all. undecided

I serve Christ and him only.
Re: Marriage Is Not About Unconditional Love by Kobojunkie: 6:53pm On Oct 26, 2021
DeRichard:
I serve Christ and him only.
In mouth only maybe, but God says we are to serve Him all our heart, mind, body and soul even, which you don't since you turn the Word of God(Jesus Christ) upside down to suit your ideas rather trust and Obey His teachings and commandments. undecided
Re: Marriage Is Not About Unconditional Love by DeRichard(m): 6:54pm On Oct 26, 2021
Kobojunkie:
In mouth only maybe, but God says we are to serve Him all our heart, mind, body and soul even, which you don't since you turn the Word of God(Jesus Christ) upside down to suit your ideas rather trust and Obey His teachings and commandments. undecided

God knows who serves him. I don't need to prove it. It's God that can justify any man.
Re: Marriage Is Not About Unconditional Love by Kobojunkie: 7:19pm On Oct 26, 2021
DeRichard:
God knows who serves him. I don't need to prove it. It's God that can justify any man.
Even those who serve God can tell those who are false from those who are true. Jesus Christ taught us to know this though His teachings. He made it simple when in John 15 vs 14 He said His friends are those who do as He asks - those who trust and Obey His teachings and commandments. By this you know that those who don't trust and Obey the Truth of Jesus Christ are liars and their mouth full of deciet! undecided

You can't your way into belonging to Jesus Christ when your very fruits here reveal you for who you truly are. undecided
Re: Marriage Is Not About Unconditional Love by DeRichard(m): 7:23pm On Oct 26, 2021
Kobojunkie:
Even those who serve God can tell those who are false from those who are true. Jesus Christ taught us to know this though His teachings. He made it simple when in John 15 vs 14 He said His friends are those who do as He asks - those who trust and Obey His teachings and commandments. By this you know that those who don't trust and Obey the Truth of Jesus Christ are liars and their mouth full of deciet! undecided

You can't your way into belonging to Jesus Christ when your very fruits here reveal you for who you truly are. undecided

It's well.
Re: Marriage Is Not About Unconditional Love by Kobojunkie: 7:25pm On Oct 26, 2021
DeRichard:
It's well.
Lying, especially to self, is indicative of lack of acceptance of the Truth of God. undecided
Re: Marriage Is Not About Unconditional Love by Reptyle(m): 8:02pm On Oct 26, 2021
Hathor5:


Are you saying that you can forgive all of the following?

- cheating
- cheating with your best friend
- cheating with your brother
- cheating repeatedly
- insulting your mom
- stealing from you
- paternity fraud
- revealing your secrets

Yes I can. Once again, it is not the gravity of the offence but the mindset towards offence.

One good head can keep a marriage.
Re: Marriage Is Not About Unconditional Love by Hathor5(f): 8:06pm On Oct 26, 2021
Reptyle:


Yes I can. Once again, it is not the gravity of the offence but the mindset towards offence.

One good head can keep a marriage.

Then you have an extraordinary mindset. cheesy
Re: Marriage Is Not About Unconditional Love by Bostin(m): 4:35am On Oct 27, 2021
Reptyle:


Yes I can. Once again, it is not the gravity of the offence but the mindset towards offence.

One good head can keep a marriage.
One good head can't keep a marriage , it's takes two to tangle . You can't change who is not ready for change , you can't accept who doesn't value your acceptance .
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Re: Marriage Is Not About Unconditional Love by MufasaLion: 8:10am On Oct 27, 2021
Reptyle:


Yes I can. Once again, it is not the gravity of the offence but the mindset towards offence.

One good head can keep a marriage.

LMAO

You will forgive a woman that did such things to you? I can never have someone like you in my circle.

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Re: Marriage Is Not About Unconditional Love by Reptyle(m): 8:16am On Oct 27, 2021
Bostin:
One good head can't keep a marriage , it's takes two to tangle . You can't change who is not ready for change , you can't accept who doesn't value your acceptance .
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That is the misconception...you are not in a marriage to change anyone. You are coming from a different upbringing, culture, personality and orientation to be with someone from a totally different upbringing, culture, personality and orientation. I think it is a bit presumptuous to think you can "change" such a person. Are you God?

The best you can do in a marriage is to work on yourself to adapt your own peculiar personality to the other person's. The actual work is to change yourself as best as you can to be more tolerating, accommodating and receptive. The conflict always arises the moment we try to force the other party to bend to our whims. Therein lies the real "work" of marriage.

When I say "one good head" can keep a marriage going, I am talking of someone that understands that marriage is 100% sacrifice; someone that understands they are not in the marriage to be served but to serve. With patience, dedication, commitment, sheer tenacity, all of those sacrifices ultimately pay off and a turbulent marriage can change for the better.

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Re: Marriage Is Not About Unconditional Love by Klass99(f): 8:23am On Oct 27, 2021
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Re: Marriage Is Not About Unconditional Love by Reptyle(m): 8:53am On Oct 27, 2021
MufasaLion:


LMAO

You will forgive a woman that did such things to you? I can never have someone like you in my circle.

Fair enough. You have a right to surround yourself with friends of your choice. smiley
Re: Marriage Is Not About Unconditional Love by MufasaLion: 8:56am On Oct 27, 2021
Klass99:


And why not? Why can't you have someone like that in your circle?

Talk is really cheap on these streets sha grin, some comments had my eyes popping out of their sockets.

Hathor how did your thread become a religious debate? I have been seeing Bible verses all over the place, I didn't even bother to read. How we bring religion into every discussion is beyond me....I need that emoji of face palm smacking the head.



I don't like humans that are too weak emotionally especially males. When you are weak emotionally, you tend to make some irrational judgement. People like that see it as being selfless, but I see it as being foolish. I can't trust people like that because they would be the weak link in my circle.

Moreover, I don't really know how to forgive.
Re: Marriage Is Not About Unconditional Love by MufasaLion: 8:57am On Oct 27, 2021
Reptyle:


Fair enough. You have a right to surround yourself with friends of your choice. smiley

Absolutely. I pick my friends, they don't pick me.
Re: Marriage Is Not About Unconditional Love by crackhaus: 11:18am On Oct 27, 2021
Reptyle:


Yes I can. Once again, it is not the gravity of the offence but the mindset towards offence.

One good head can keep a marriage.

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