Ekealterego:

This is another account by Horton in a different chapter stating the dialects of Igbo written in 1866-68
Slayerforever, look at Bonny carefully written here.
9japluto
Bkayy
Igboid
Eastlink

Ekealterego:

This is another account by Horton in a different chapter stating the dialects of Igbo written in 1866-68
Slayerforever, look at Bonny carefully written here.
9japluto
Bkayy
Igboid
Eastlink

JANK23H:

You have succeeded in affirming what I've just said.

Alabo7978:

I am not sure you read and understand that document well. Calm down and understand me.
I acknowledge the presence of ibo's, but they were MOSTLY SLAVES.
The document ALSO SAYS THAT BONNY IS CALLED IBANI,UBANI BY THE IBOS[NOTE] BY THE IBOS
BUT BONNY IS CALLED OKOLOMA[NOTE]OKOLOMA BY THE INDIGENES
You should ask yourself three questions here.
1) who are the indigenes?
2) who are the IBO SLAVES?
3) why did they speak OKOLOMA which is the language of the indigenes instead of(IBO, kwam, ATAM and the other languages)
Why?
This is first hand information from the indigenes as shown in that document to be taken to the British royal archives.
I'm sorry, but your white buddy's thesis you showed us was just HIS OBSERVATIONS AND OPINIONS, and other white men will also reference him in their own thesis.
The indigenes know themselves better.

GreatBoss:
If these guys are asking for Ijaw towns with AMA let me give them some.

AZAMA APOI BAYELSA IJAW

ANGIAMA SAGBAMA BAYELSA IJAW
(THE TOWN OF THE GUY WHO NAMED BIAFRA)

UKPARAMA AROGBO ONDO IJAW

OLODIAMA EDO IJAW

OFUNAMA EGBEMA EDO IJAW

AJAKURAMA EGBEMA EDO IJAW

OPUAMA EGBEMA DELTA IJAW

OPUAMA BAYELSA IJAW

OLODIAMA BAYELSA IJAW

OGBEINAMA DELTA IJAW

KPAKIAMA DELTA IJAW

(HOME OF THE NUMBER 1 IJAW PERSON WORLDWIDE THE INC PRESIDENT)

OBUAMA KALABARI RIVERS IJAW
(HOME OF ASARI DOKUBO)

OKPOAMA
BRASS BAYELSA IJAW
(HOME OF MINISTER OF STATE PETROLEUM TIMPRE SYLVA)

AMADAKA AKWA-IBOM IJAW

(HOME OF IJAW NATIONAL AFFAIRS COMMISIONER)

ABULOAMA WAKIRIIKE RIVERS IJAW

ABONEAMA KALABARI RIVERS IJAW

ABALAMA IBANI RIVERS IJAW

OLOAMA IBANI RIVERS IJAW

KILIBIAMA IBANI RIVERS IJAW.

KAIAMA KOLOKUMA BAYELSA IJAW
(HOME OF ISAAC BORO)

OKOROAMA NEMBE BAYELSA IJAW

AGUDAMA EPIE BAYELSA IJAW

AGUDAMA EKPETIAMA BAYELSA IJAW

ASARAMA ANDONI RIVERS IJAW
(HOME OF IYC PRESIDENT WORLDWIDE)

And many others too numerous to mention.

GreatBoss:
All these claims of Ijaw land, just go and claim it physical, and not this much talk on Nairaland always.

Go and claim them physical.
Stop showing us lies created by ibos.
Go and claim them physical.

Ekealterego:

Okoloma existed before any human dwelled in Bonny. Stop your fables. OKoloma is as old as Ndoki.
Another fable, Tales by the moonlight. Where is this written? We come with fact, you come with myths with no receipts.
See the difference.
Slayerforever, Eastlink (see your Alinsaw Egbema), Newage98, see your Ekpahia (Ekpeye), Bkayy, Igboid.
Let us make reference to a colonial map of Igboland.

You can see Ubani at the bottom

Alabo7978:

So because a white man came and said something, does it mean he is right?
Na the white man born am?
Show me a testament, and you're showing a white man thesis who didn't even know everything about the land they came to exploit.
Mr Man show me a testament.
Same white clans who called ijo
Jo men, and called the Nembe/brass/kula/bille etc brass men.
Without knowing they were plenty several different tribes.

Alabo7978:

So because a white man came and said something, does it mean he is right?
Na the white man born am?
Show me a testament, and you're showing a white man thesis who didn't even know everything about the land they came to exploit.
Mr Man show me a testament.
Same white clans who called ijo
Jo men, and called the Nembe/brass/kula/bille etc brass men.
Without knowing they were plenty several different tribes.

GreatBoss:
All these claims of Ijaw land, just go and claim it physical, and not this much talk on Nairaland always.

Go and claim them physical.
Stop showing us lies created by ibos.
Go and claim them physical.

OfoIgbo:


Why are you finding it difficult to also confirm that the ruling house was also Igbo?

So while the kings of Ubani were Igbo speakers, while the slave merchants there were also Igbo speakers, and while the slaves were also Igbo speakers, you are hellbent on trying to confuse people into thinking that it was only the slave class that were Igbos.

How come those that attacked Diette-Spiff were speaking a Brass language, that could be understood 100% by every Igbo speaker?

How come a more ancient memoir written by Crow, that was decades earlier than the one written by Crowther, not critical enough for you?

Ubani and Kalabari traditional institutions are led by Igbo lineages. This cannot happen unless you are trying to say that the Igbos invaded those areas, and established Igbo kingdoms over the non-Igbo natives. We all know this didn't happen.

You still have to scale the hurdle of Igbo traditional leadership in Bonny, and the fact that Crow's memoirs was more ancient than Crowther's writings, hence more reliable as a source of how things were.

Alabo7978:

You lie nigga.
The white men met hostility when they came. Infact the ordinary natives hated them.
They were only friends with the king and chiefs.
They were tales of white men wandering off and they were caught and eaten.
Crow could identify features and know where they come from, and I too can do that. I know what a native American looks like even though they put on suits, I know how many Asians look like even though the ordinary less-analytical brain will see them and assume they are Chinese but does it make me an expert in their traditions?
Do it makes me know how to speak Mayan language or some other Asian language?
Okolo-ama are the original owners of Bonny. It isn't hard to see. I showed you crowthers report.
The brass men in your write up were a combination of (Nembe,kula,bille,twon etc) who are offshoot of ijo but did the white man know this?
No. He just made hasty generalization.
Wasn't it one of those British explorers who said Nembe was Igbo?
How many times has this reporters in their false thesis caused many explorers to loose their lives while looking for the source of the river Niger?
They are famous for guessing and guessing and guessing just to gain stupid plaudits for some weeks in the British media.
These white men rewrote African history and many Africans like you believe.
Remember El Dorado and it's false reports which led alot of ship expedition to America but all was futile?
Crow knows nothing and the people despised him.
Crowther appealed more because he was black so he got the real information.

OfoIgbo:


Those same white men counted from one to ten in Igbo, and were correct.

You are also writing your stuff here in the white man's language. You don't see anything wrong with that. But when they accurately tell us, based on their observation, that Bonny is Igbo territory, you want me to discount that, because they didn't claim it was Ijaw territory. You want me to believe Alagoa. Iyasikwa

Omanambala:


Basically , you accept account that favors you and trash the rest. And , you think anybody will take you serious. If we use your approach then no progress will be made because everyone will bring texts that favors their arguments.

OfoIgbo:


Those same white men counted from one to ten in Igbo, and were correct.

You are also writing your stuff here in the white man's language. You don't see anything wrong with that. But when they accurately tell us, based on their observation, that Bonny is Igbo territory, you want me to discount that, because they didn't claim it was Ijaw territory. You want me to believe Alagoa. Iyasikwa

Alabo7978:

Ok then,
Do me a favor and visit encyclopedia Brittanica
(The world's largest information repository)
It isn't owned by anyone. It has over the years removed thesis and reports that were found to be incorrect.
Go and enlighten yourself and come back and tell me what you found.

Alabo7978:

Ok then,
Do me a favor and visit encyclopedia Brittanica
(The world's largest information repository)
It isn't owned by anyone. It has over the years removed thesis and reports that were found to be incorrect.
Go and enlighten yourself and come back and tell me what you found.

Alabo7978:

So you are having a hard-on because spiff was attacked?
Crow wasn't a local, and he didn't know a thing about the kingdom. The people hated whites!
Even Kula(a town) chased out the white men who landed there, but they still attached kula into brass, you see how misleading?
Was it not Horton who even wrote that Nembe (an ijoh clan) is Igbo?
Bro, a country or tribe are the ones who can tell their history and not some media lions seeking to gain money.
Crowther was more accepted because he didn't come with a white skin.
His reports quoted king pepple,
But your white men report passively claims.
Mr Man show me a testament.
For the umpteenth time show me a testament. I showed you a testament, show me a testament.
Search Wikipedia or Brittanica, those early works your other clowns are bringing up has long been discarded for their falsehood.

Omanambala:


The man is quite funny. He is taking Crowther's account that favors him and everything else can burn...lol

DitariDisciple2:


You are the main confused person.
Them full the Ijaw Republic group.

You guys are the main confused people not them.

Landlocked dot circle Biafra Republic.

Eastlink:
Yeah, I noticed the Alensaw. I guess the writer made use of our suffix name instead of Egbema. Egbema Alinso

9Pluto:
I guess this settles the meaning of Ama in both cases. We would need more info about the Okoloma in Ndoki.

It is interesting to note that the Ndoki, Opobo and Bonny are the same people according to findings.

DubaiLandLord1:
What's the name of the place dey are claiming in Ondo?

GreatBoss:
If these guys are asking for Ijaw towns with AMA let me give them some.

AZAMA APOI BAYELSA IJAW

ANGIAMA SAGBAMA BAYELSA IJAW
(THE TOWN OF THE GUY WHO NAMED BIAFRA)

UKPARAMA AROGBO ONDO IJAW

OLODIAMA EDO IJAW

OLODIAMA BAYELSA IJAW

OGBEINAMA DELTA IJAW

KPAKIAMA DELTA IJAW

(HOME OF THE NUMBER 1 IJAW PERSON WORLDWIDE THE INC PRESIDENT)

OBUAMA KALABARI RIVERS IJAW
(HOME OF ASARI DOKUBO)

OKPOAMA
BRASS BAYELSA IJAW
(HOME OF MINISTER OF STATE PETROLEUM TIMPRE SYLVA)

AMADAKA AKWA-IBOM IJAW

(HOME OF IJAW NATIONAL AFFAIRS COMMISIONER)

ABULOAMA WAKIRIIKE RIVERS IJAW

ABONEAMA KALABARI RIVERS IJAW

ABALAMA IBANI RIVERS IJAW

OLOAMA IBANI RIVERS IJAW

KILIBIAMA IBANI RIVERS IJAW.

KAIAMA KOLOKUMA BAYELSA IJAW
(HOME OF ISAAC BORO)

OKOROAMA NEMBE BAYELSA IJAW

AGUDAMA EPIE BAYELSA IJAW

AGUDAMA EKPETIAMA BAYELSA IJAW

ASARAMA ANDONI RIVERS IJAW
(HOME OF IYC PRESIDENT WORLDWIDE)

And many others too numerous to mention.

9Pluto:


Are you trying to say Crow didn't know what he was talking about?
The same Crow that took slaves from Bonny to the new world for over a decade.
Whose duty is was to sort slaves according to their origin. Who was VERY good friends of both King Pepple and King Haliday including their wives and Bonny natives. So much he was nicknamed Play man. The same Crow that makes jest of both Kings. That once walked King Haliday off his ship.
Crow that was able to quell an uprising of slaves on a ship by appealing to the slaves according to their ethnic nationality.
Crow who was able to differentiate different nationalities Igbos (including breeches), Brass, Ottams, Quaws, Appas etc according to their language, physique including complexion, mannerism, tribal marks etc

Is it the same Crow you are talking about?
The one that knew igbos so well he knew their common names and wrote a dictionary of their language. Is he the one you are saying he won't be able to identify the ethnicity of his personal friends and long term business associates.

Like I said, that memoir was written for the future.

9Pluto:



Thanks for your submissions.

I noticed that most of the names had Ama as suffix except for few that has it in between. However, I am interested in your so called Ama in Akwa-ibom which unlike the others the Ama is a prefix.

We may soon need a thread on the, 'ijaws of Akwa-ibom'.

As a side note, it would also be interesting to know the meaning of Amadi-Ama.

GodIsBiafran:


Ukparama in Ondo

GreatBoss:
[s]Your mumu no tell you say Na Arogbo Ijaw village be that??This is why so many tribes run away from Igbo because of their foolishness.[/s]

GreatBoss:
All these claims of Ijaw land, just go and claim it physical, and not this much talk on Nairaland always.

Go and claim them physical.
Stop showing us lies created by ibos.
Go and claim them physical.