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Sapiosexuality:
Religion is useful but a critical and philosophical look at the characters that make them up betray them.

I still don't understand how a loving father will throw you into hell fire to burn forever and ever for a crime (if it's even worthy to be called such) we committed in a very short span.

If your son is really as super smart as you say he is, he'd get to this point and experience crisis but that crisis will give him better vision.

Whether God exists or not is not really my problem. My problem is with the morality of God. Is this God good? Is she/he worthy to be God? Is /she/he upright?

Religion taught you God is the one who throws people into hell. Have you ever fathomed why this God has been on about ensuring no one goes there? To the point of sending His only son to ensure that? That whoever "believes" in Him shouldn't perish(in hell)? Do you have an idea how many souls He freed from a temporary replica of hell, when He resurrected?

On the flip side, it's the resident of hell, who needs company and wants many to join him over there. Don't get it twisted.

SimplePlan34:
Fantastic it means he is partial. How do u explain a person born handicapped. Born in war regions yea u would say grace but grace is not merited so there is no performance requirement. If no performance requirement what should the disfavoured ones do if u are ready to reason deeply I am game. But u would need to step out of Ur circle.

God has a special plan for them.

Havertz10:
this is your problem, thinking singularly, your son is an active member of society, while his rule might be minuscule, he is here and will be part of future generations of our society, telling you to do away with trash, Isn't an unsolicited concern, it's a public good for the betterment of the society

Deal with your own trash when you get to the phase of life I am in with my Kid. Like I said before, thank you for your unsolicited concerns.

ikennamadu1:
OP .. please if they believe God does not exist .. and nature is everything.. please ask them .. if they believe in nature and it's existence.. why are they experiencing natural disasters... Like earthquake volcano eruption.. why are people dieing as a result of this disasters.. why is nature not saving dem from this disasters since they believe in nature... Nature should save them from this things listed above ...

Why is god not saving his people from those disasters?

Jbleenk:
No not at all, it doesn’t come close. Religion can be used as a means of control, a weapon, a means of stripping you of your identity. It even goes deeper than that if u understand it.

If we start this discussion it won’t end today and I don’t have the luxury of time. You can reach out to me and I will take my time and school you on this.

Lmao, all this mumu yarns, anything cam be used as a means of control, and weapon, from food, money, women etc

Forget about time, u no go get point, na why the thing no go end

johnydon22:
In what planet did your son win the argument? First, your son tried to establish feeling as a basis for God's existence, committing the first blunder of mistaking emotions to somehow infer objective existence of an entity.

Then even though your son tried to establish feelings as a basis for the existence of God, he also agreed he never felt God but rather thinks about God a lot, how on earth is thinking about something a pointer that it exists in reality?

Thinking only alludes to conceptual existence not actual.

Example: Dragons does not exist because we think about them a lot, Captain America do not exist because we think of him a lot, the avengers do not exist because they awake intense emotions (feelings) in us whenever we read about their fictitious heroic deeds in comics or movies.

Conceptually, these fictitious ideas exist, in reality, they do not.

Your son strawmaned the other kids argument, based his on a faulty premise and just talked over the other kid.

There is absolutely nothing smart about your fictitious son, bring out your arguments proudly instead of trying to heap them on an eight year old that exists only in your imaginations.

man shut up. He never said his son won any argument. Besides he's just 8. Did you even possess half his wit when you were his age?

Tetehjewels:
My Son is super smart and at 8 has already been given double promotion twice in school. The 1st one he got was in the 2nd term of that year and he was only able to join the new class in their 3rd term yet he still came first and the school thought it necessary to move him again. So he is now in a class with kids 3yrs older than he is and already besting them too.

We are a very God loving family and even though I have never sat my son down to talk to him about God, I do ensure he goes to Church with me and joins me in my daily morning devotions. I do notice that he has an extremely inquisitive mind and would rather watch educational channels on DStv than cartoons especially since they stopped showing his best cartoon "Goku"

So we have this neighbour who is from Greece. His 7 yr old son and my son can be considered best of friends and they visit each other at will. So on this day he came to visit and while they were hanging out I suddenly heard them arguing from his room. Normally their arguments would be over a video game or something else but this one was interesting. They were arguing about God!

I stood by the door and listened. Apparently that day revealed to me that my neighbour is an atheist but I never knew and he has been indoctrinating his 7yr old son along those lines because I clearly heard the boy say to my Son, "God does not exist, he is just a story"

So here is the convo

Him: God is not real, He does not exist, He is just a story

My Son: Ethan what did you say?

Him: God is not real, He is just like Santa who also isn't real

My Son: How do you know he isn't real?

Him: Well my dad said he isn't real because he just isn't. Have you seen him?

My Son: So your dad says God isn't real because he hasn't seen him? So something isn't real because you can't see it? But what about feeling Him?

Him: Feelings are not something we can um um fully determine because they can be misleading

My Son: How can you say Feelings are misleading, you are my friend right? (He goes yeah?) So how are you sure you are my friend if your feelings can be misleading. Can you say your feelings misled you into being my friend?

Him: No that's not what I was trying to say

My Son cuts him off with a sharp tone: So if your feelings did not mislead you into being my friend how then do feelings mislead you?

Him: Have you felt God before?

My Son: No but I do know that I think about him a lot

Him: umm umm but How would you possibly be thinking about something that does not exist

My Son: Exactly Ethan!

At this point I step into the room and cheerfully say Okay guys playtime is over (because I needed to stop the argument and get my Son to study by asking his friend to go home)

However his final comment "Exactly Ethan" resonated with me and made me think that comment was actually directed at Ethan's dad and not Ethan because apparently he had been talking about the non existence of God to his Son A LOT!

So how do you constantly talk or think about Something or Someone that doesn't exist?

I have never seen my great grandfather . I don't know how he looks like.

I am the evidence of my great grand father's existence. We human being and all he created that we can see are the evidence of God existence

Tetehjewels:
Had my kid read through your comment twice and he looked at me with a smile after reading it the second time and asked me to really explain to him what an atheist is (what is an atheist) those were his words after I had told him an atheist typed that. So had to take a few minutes to explain the who and what of atheism.

He paused and then said "okay".

He now asked a question connected to your comment about feelings. He actually asked me the question but I will direct it to you instead.

He said,"Um Daddy when grandma left us did you feel sad?"

I said we all felt sad you know this.

He said did Uncle Dennis know Grandma before she left us? I said no he didn't (because Dennis is a new friend I just made from his PTA meeting for the new class and my grandma died 2yrs ago so he never knew me or her then.

He said if Uncle Dennis is told now that we all felt sad when grandma left us would he be upset at us?

I said I don't think so

He now said "why would someone get upset and argue my own feelings with me which I feel toward someone or something that makes me happy even if that person or thing does not exist?" He paused then continued

"I mean is it actually the non existence of that which makes me happy they are unhappy with or arguing about or they are arguing over my own feelings which are mine to have?"

"If I am happy over the thoughts about Grandma why should this be of any concern to anyone since to them they never met or knew or experienced Grandma right?"

Now it was my turn to smile. This kid has a way with his thoughts and words and the way he pauses, looks down and talks as if he is reading it from somewhere it was written on the floor baffles me.

So that's his Question to you. He asks questions a lot so expect more of that if you reply this..afterall he is just 8

You have a great child with a deep thoughts....take good care of him

Bluezy13:
You committed a fallacy of hasty generalization and also have wrong notion about atheism.
Atheism is not a movement. Atheism is a belief in unbelieve.
Atheism is diversified. It is erroneous to narrowly limit it to the state of being "against" God's existence.

You like pizza, I don't like pizza.
That doesn't mean I am "against" you eating pizza. Notwithstanding, I may also be against you eating pizza. So don't fallaciously generalize the impression that I am against you eating pizza.
Conclusively, atheism is of various categories.

Correct there.

StJohnofChrist:
Exodus 33:19
“I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy” means God’s freedom to demonstrate mercy is not limited by anything but His own divine choice. God does not show mercy because humans deserve it. The Lord’s favor cannot be earned by status, social class, or works of righteousness, otherwise, it would not be mercy. It doesn't mean God is partial.
In fact, God has said he'll have mercy to whoever believes in his saving grace.

In Romans 9:15 Paul quotes Exodus 33 :19
In that context, God said that He would show mercy and compassion on whomever He so chose. The right to decide who received benefits from God was a decision left to exactly one being: God Himself. Paul offers this quote to show that God retains the right choose for Himself, based only on Himself, to whom He will give His favor. God is under no obligation, whatsoever, to rely on other criteria or some "higher" standard to make such a choice.
https://www.bibleref.com/Romans/9/Romans-9-15.html

Exodus 2:8-9
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God. Not of works, lest any man should boast

If I start na, some will talk o, eh

How does the scriptures you quoted now show that favor and mercy is given to those who do not deserve it.

Is this nonsense that makes people say rubbish about God.

I agree favor cannot be earned by superficial and egocentric human standards and means, but leave righteousness out of it. Because you may not understand Noah, nor Abraham nor even Jesus whom grace comes through who acquired by his righteousness in obeying God.

Mercy was granted to one of the criminals not both. Do you think nor believe that the one that received it did not deserve it, or what about the other one criminal

Tetehjewels:
I honestly do not care about anything you just said above. "Atheism is a belief in unbelief" amazing confusion.

Anyway what I said was Atheism is an unbelief period but if to you it is a belief in unbelief then good luck with your brand of coffee

If u can't differentiate between "unbelieve" and "unbelief" wherein lies ur intelligence?

Blakjewelry:
Una just dey waste una time trying to use logic and reason to disprove god's existence. Every deep historian especially those on ancient culture knows yaweh is no difference from El which are among the many gods worship by the people of mesopotamia. Infact many people from Egypt and modern day Israel understand this but our people will still argue with them just because of sentiments. I tell 99% of Africa christians don't know shit about the many Jewish test. I was trying to to know more about god that actually lead me of that part. The key word here is ignorance and nothing more.

You're right.

The Adam and Eve story was a Jewish creation myth.

Every culture around the world had stories they told about how the world came to be.

These Nigerian hypocrites mock the oduduwa story and laugh at odududwa coming down from heaven.

But they fully respect that Jesus ascended to heaven as he was.

You're wrong.

You should ask questions where such contradiction it may seem to a statement.

XXXXTENTACION:
Thesame God that claims to love all humans is also thesame God that drowned millions of humans in a flood...

Franking:
If u can't differentiate between "unbelieve" and "unbelief" wherein lies ur intelligence?

Unbelieve is not a proper word. At best it is a verb being utilized ad a noun. You and that dude need intelligence assessment. Both of you ain't so bright bro

It's not advisable for you to let them skip classes for little kids in the name of double promotion. They need all the stages

Franking:
If u can't differentiate between "unbelieve" and "unbelief" wherein lies ur intelligence?

Unbelieve is not a proper word. At best it is a verb which he is applying as a noun. You and that dude need intelligence assessment. Both of you ain't so bright bro

FlipModeSquade:
All humans are born Atheist..

Until some religious nut jobs gets ahold of them..

Why do isolated tribes believe in a superior being?

femi4:
You have a great child with a deep thoughts....take good care of him

Thank you sir

marylandcakes:
The greatest injustice done to Africans is brainwashing and enslavement by way of religion.

is it the religion of your forefathers or which one

Bet me, Atheists believe that God exists, 4get what they do to mirrage them a free mind to do evil. Or do they say they do good, why do they do good, or evil is their own good, why dont they go and kill all people and take all their money? Or they like good only, why did they bliv that good is de good thing, who made them, or is it oyibo people that moulded them into their mum's womb.? Dont tell me trash pls

johnydon22:
In what planet did your son win the argument? First, your son tried to establish feeling as a basis for God's existence, committing the first blunder of mistaking emotions to somehow infer objective existence of an entity.

Then even though your son tried to establish feelings as a basis for the existence of God, he also agreed he never felt God but rather thinks about God a lot, how on earth is thinking about something a pointer that it exists in reality?

Thinking only alludes to conceptual existence not actual.

Example: Dragons does not exist because we think about them a lot, Captain America do not exist because we think of him a lot, the avengers do not exist because they awake intense emotions (feelings) in us whenever we read about their fictitious heroic deeds in comics or movies.

Conceptually, these fictitious ideas exist, in reality, they do not.

Your son strawmaned the other kids argument, based his on a faulty premise and just talked over the other kid.

There is absolutely nothing smart about your fictitious son, bring out your arguments proudly instead of trying to heap them on an eight year old that exists only in your imaginations.

Johnydon is here

You should understand something, what was the spiritual state of those who were taught to pray like this.

In your bid to do so, also find out what God's Will is according to same Bible.

Crystyano:
I think Tetehjewels should consider this:



Our Father who art in the Bible

What is the essence of your name or whatever that means?

Why should your will be done when it's not proven to be necessary ?


How can life be a proof that you give anything commendable?



Why should we seek your forgiveness when you shouldn't be offended by what we do??



It's obvious you're not willing and capable of doing anything about evil or whatever that means neither are you leading us/humans anywhere so temptation is not an issue



You actually have no kingdom or power or glory that is worth considering by anyone at all


What I've said remains forever and ever


Period

XXXXTENTACION:
If your son is smart he will grow up and realise that religion is a scam... A loving God who orders the genocide of a whole tribe to tell you what religion is just an opium for the poor masses...

Too bad he stopped, that's why we can read this crap today

Tetehjewels:
You seem angry at a lot of things but certainly my Son or his little argument cannot be one of the things that has you all blowing hot.

First of all where in my OP did I remotely hint at my son winning the argument. I rather left it as anticlimactic.

I do know you are an atheist but then trying to indirectly bully my son through your comments with your choice of language is laughable and I am sure he would also laugh at this by the time I show him once he comes back from school.

I will type his response to you as he tells me because I want him to be the one to respond to you intellectually. That is how I got him to become smarter than those ahead of him and you certainly wouldn't be any different

Good luck with arguing with an 8yr old who knows how to hold his own any day of the week.

YOUR STORY IS FAKE!

Blakjewelry:
Una just dey waste una time trying to use logic and reason to disprove god's existence. Every deep historian especially those on ancient culture knows yaweh is no difference from El which are among the many gods worship by the people of mesopotamia. Infact many people from Egypt and modern day Israel understand this but our people will still argue with them just because of sentiments. I tell 99% of Africa christians don't know shit about the many Jewish test. I was trying to to know more about god that actually lead me of that part. The key word here is ignorance and nothing more.

Ogbeni shut up and stop typing nonsense

Someone will now think u have some special knowledge of Israel or Jews. Once again shut up

TinubuGoQuench:
YOUR STORY IS FAKE!

You will be alright

StJohnofChrist:
You should understand something, what was the spiritual state of those who were taught to pray like this.

In your bid to do so, also find out what God's Will is according to same Bible.

Can you help me with any amount of money?


I am already tired of certain things

Greater is the love of our father.

Isaiah 49:15-17 (NIV)
“Can a mother forget the baby at her breast and have no compassion on the child she has borne? Though she may forget, I will not forget you! See, I have engraved you on the palms of my hands; your walls are ever before me. Your children hasten back, and those who laid you waste depart from you".

John 15:13
Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

Tetehjewels:
Same mother who loves 4 kids had to terminate the fifth because the doctors said it was corrupted. Does that reduce her love for the other 4?

Bluezy13:
Permit me to comment on this quote as it was not directed to me.

It is insulting to fallaciously equate your contender's remark to your son's sense of judgement and inadvertently adding that you'll direct his post to your son for a "better" reply.
It portrays a father who thinks his son is smarter that himself such that himself does not have the capacity to intellectually withstand a fellows propositions but seeks solace under his own 8 years old son for intellectual redemption.
I must confess that your maturity is questionable.

My inference is not on the matter but on your manner of approach as it depicts your sense of reasoning.

One of the Hallmark of ignorant people is trying to use seemingly big words in a simple argument. People like you never learn they try to intimidate others with big words only to end up confusing themselves. Come down from your high horse and appreciate a smart child. You probably wouldn't have presented a better argument than the child or the OP.

Do you want God to reveal himself to you in undoubtable ways?
Even though you can't recognise his presence yet.

LordReed:
It is limiting because we are limited and it makes me wonder how you know these things that are beyond our limits. But I can see where you get it from, the Bible. Basically you believe these things and don't require evidence. If I asked you what evidence you have you are going to launch in to some torturous rigmarole but go ahead surprise me.

The New Age Of Humanity is Expanding. Experience is better than belief. Be still and know that I AM GOD. LOVE...

I really followed the thread. I'm not an atheists but I believe in intellectual knowledge. We don't have to be gullible. I would love to point out some points most especially on what truly religion is.

Christianity finds it root from Israel. It was one and only Jehova then, Jesus eventually came and the gospel spread. The Muslims have their religion roots from Mecca, Arabia. The Holy prophet was born their. Jihad started and that how Islam spread.

Now Africans, the Egyptians then worships more than 5 gods with different proscribed names and functions.
In Nigerians, the Yoruba have faith in deities like sango, Ifa etc. The ibos in the supreme deity called Chukw etc.
Now that religion has spread, what we now have is religions that originated from other countries. Neutralizing the native religion on a conception.

If we are worshiping a ONE TRUE GOD, then why was their a reconversion from a religion to another religion??

Now sir, I believe you're a Christian. How did you become a Christian? I believe your parents were, so is your son now. And the trend continues.

How did Christianity as a religion got to Nigeria? It wasn't our native religion. During the colonial century, the colonials brought religion(Christianity) with them. The colonials were the Supreme ruler.

They got more backing when Christianity was actually able to debunk that deity are fake god's. They're not powerful. As were all native religion then that were replaced with new religions(Christianity & Islam).
It got more backing. And strict rules were made.

For all religion, why must you always marry within your faith? So as to expand the concept. The misinformation.

Religion got more flawed. Their are doctrines and many misconception within the same religion. A particular religion that have fractions, and their religion beliefs are not inclined. Then what the essence?