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It's usually individual decision. Some JW members can be pleasant but some people can be nasty like someone's wife whom used to quarrel and fought her hubby every Sunday whenever he wanted to take kids to church.

highoctane:
This story is laughable, very laughable.
No Jehovah witness will seek for financial help whatever from outsiders in their times of need. Among Jehovah's witnesses are captains of industries Professional Engineers, Medical Doctors, just name it.,etc, They have the poor among themselves who are not left out in their times of need and distress.
There are no beggars, even remotely among Jehovah's witnesses. They are trained to take up menial jobs to care for themselves.

You get time way you take dey answer dis people. Many of them are keypad warriors who would rather pass judgement first from the comfort of their homes rather than seek to get their facts right. Tomorrow this same person will complain of the same thing they are guilty of..... Hypocrites

virginchaser:
It's usually individual decision. Some JW members can be pleasant but some people can be nasty like someone's wife whom used to quarrel and fought her hubby every Sunday whenever he wanted to take kids to church.

You're right ... I was once a member..but we all left..they have some stupid doctrines ..then when casala burst they say its your personal decision... my dad can go and do chairman in another relative wedding that is a non jehovah's witness but will not attend his own child's wedding because the child is marrying a non jehovah's witness, when they disfellowship you, you can't talk to anyone, many wont talk to you at Kingdom hall or outside the KH... but they will be talking freely to non members who are serial fornicators, yahoo boys etc...if you leave the organisation and you're not doing well in your career they tag it that because you left them God left you, but if you are succeeding in your career they'll be shocked.. now some of these things I've said are not directly stated as a doctrine but they subconsciously practice it

Bible is the cause. Bible has both light and darkness, wisdom and foolishness etc if u r a fool, all you ll read and understand in the book is foolishness, if you allow the heavenly realm to assist you to understand it, u ll see the light. No perfect sub religion under abrahamic religion, cos at some point they ll surely misinterpret it. Too much confusion in that book for the senseless people

Bronzedigger:
Then why did she refuse the donations from a catholic church but wanted it from a personal account... it's either she doesn't understand her doctrine and has been foolishly living by doctrines she doesn't understand or she stands to be punishedif she accepts such donations.. it means many of your followers don't understand your doctrines..maybe because they don't have direct contact with the original owners of the denomination to explain these doctrines properly.. from Pennsylvania to Nigeria to igeduma to local congregations... the doctrine has really passed through a lot of filters so when it finally lands in the local congregation..it will be like dem say dem say talk... most of you JWs are now saying it's her choice to accept donations.. where as she vehemently stated she didn't want help from a church..who can only give people such standards to live by if not another denomination feeling like they are in competition with every other denomination in the world... I don't see the choice she has here... why would someone choose death over life because of a doctrine..this only happens when they are promised better and greater things to achieve like these religious terrorist groups

That their set up get chains of command. Legislators dey, Judiciary dey and the lower floor members bears the burden of all those complex bureaucracy in place to run the organisation. The floor members are at the mercy of those given the position to interprete some of their laws, policies and regulations.

Ordinary members don't have access to it and the numerous cluases attached. Therefore they don't really know at what point they stepped over the line paapaa. That she rejected the help offered from the Catholic Church or whatever stems from this bureaucracy in place.

See this as an example.... Do you know members are given instructions on how to participate in prayer organized led by any member of other Christian denominations which is done in the name of Jesus Christ? They even state clearly why they are not to say AMEN to such prayers when organized even if they call JESUS One million times Should they stand or sit when such prayer is going on?

These are the bureaucratic policies and agenda passed to members on which members are always in a DILEMMA to follow such as cases like this thread.

Their conscience had been regimented by the powers that be long before those life threatening situations occur. Most of the time they are in a FIX about what they are really expected to do because those JUDICIARY(the elders in their midst are limited educationally and otherwise to really handle most of the policies they carry about.

alizma:
If you check now, that girl didn't die a virgin. Doctrine wey no prevent you from clubbing, drinking and doing the do but prevents you from accepting assistance from your fellow human being just because they are from different denominations.
Stupid people, as if they no get people wey study banking or accounting. They should ask those professionals the origin of the name, money, yet they don't reject money.
The word money is a name of a goddess called moneta. Don't they know this?

you're right bro

Bronzedigger:
You're right ... I was once a member..but we all left..they have some stupid doctrines ..then when casala burst they say its your personal decision... my dad can go and do chairman in another relative wedding that is a non jehovah's witness but will not attend his own child's wedding because the child is marrying a non jehovah's witness, when they disfellowship you, you can't talk to anyone, many wont talk to you at Kingdom hall or outside the KH... but they will be talking freely to non members who are serial fornicators, yahoo boys etc...if you leave the organisation and you're not doing well in your career they tag it that because you left them God left you, but if you are succeeding in your career they'll be shocked.. now some of these things I've said are not directly stated as a doctrine but they subconsciously practice it

Na that regimented kind of thinking imbued in them through their doctrines mixed up with organization policies cause am. Some of them cannot distinguish between ORGANIZATION policies and Bible teachings.

Kobojunkie:
This story here has to do with a sick individual not laziness. You come in stating that all members had their needs taken care of either by self or the organization.

According to the OP'S Account, this lady had been sick for an extended period of time and had need for large funds to help offset cost of medical procedures she needed. This was where the catholic charity had come in. But you are here saying that the JW organization was obligated to cover her expenses instead as she is a member?

I highly doubt if she was one of Jehovah's witnesses.,
Or someone want to carry out a smear campaign against Jehovah's witnesses.
I highly doubt if she was one of Jehovah's witnesses., Greatly doubtful.

freedomchild:
you're right bro

Konji no get doctrine, konji no dey send doctrine oo..konji na b**stard

highoctane:
This story is laughable, very laughable.
No Jehovah witness will seek for financial help whatever from outsiders in their times of need. Among Jehovah's witnesses are captains of industries Professional Engineers, Medical Doctors, just name it.,etc, They have the poor among themselves who are not left out in their times of need and distress.
There are no beggars, even remotely among Jehovah's witnesses.
They are trained to take up menial jobs to care for themselves.

All the above is based on the IDEAL situations you have been fed with not REALITY or real situations

alizma:
If you check now, that girl didn't die a virgin. Doctrine wey no prevent you from clubbing, drinking and doing the do but prevents you from accepting assistance from your fellow human being just because they are from different denominations.
Stupid people, as if they no get people wey study banking or accounting. They should ask those professionals the origin of the name, money, yet they don't reject money.
The word money is a name of a goddess called moneta. Don't they know this?

Konji no get doctrine, konji no dey send doctrine oo..konji na b**stard grin grin grin grin grin

highoctane:
I highly doubt if she was one of Jehovah's witnesses.,
Or someone want to carry out a smear campaign against Jehovah's witnesses.
I highly doubt if she was one of Jehovah's witnesses., Greatly doubtful.

Even if the individual were to be a bonafide member. You and your likes will still come and SAY REAL members don't seek help from those on the outside of the organisation.

From your previous post you already made a case for that.

I have asked this question before, will ask again, who really is a Jehovah’s witness based on the definitions of your religious organization.

https://www.nairaland.com/6929181/two-hen-political-satire
exactly what I was saying in this post up here

achorladey:
Even if the individual were to be a bonafide member. You and your likes will still come and SAY REAL members don't seek help from those on the outside of the organisation.

From your previous post you already made a case for that.

I have asked this question before, will ask again, who really is a Jehovah’s witness based on the definitions of your religious organization.

Visit https://www. jw.org
That definition defines us of who we are from Nigeria to Japan, Japan to Brazil, South Africa to Siberia.
There are no beggars among Jehovah's witnesses as to beg when they are in need.

iamL:
Click on the link to get another angle to the story from her friends who are not even jws.

Each Jehovah jehovah's witnesses have a right to their own personal decisions.

Various donations were made and accepted from other sources and her family did everything they could for her. Why weren't those alighted? only the rejection from catholic church just to created an attack on Jehovah Witnesses.

Another half truth baked mixed with lies from apostates to attack Jehovah's people but we are expecting attacks from the media and even gog of magog that will climax at armageddon where all enemies of true worship will be destroyed.

Some of your likes don't even believe she is a bonafide member of the religious organization. They have been asking for the name of the local congregation she attends before her death. This made me ask this question,

Do Jehovah’s witnesses of old and recent ones ever get baptized in association with the name of the local congregation they belong during baptism or in association with Jehovah’s organization?

See below....

[b]angle to the story from her friends who are not even jws.[/b]

Is she one or not?

One thing I have come to realize about the organisation is when a negative report about the organisation comes to front burner the first line of defence is to....

Undermine the genuineness of such member by DENIAL or stating that person could not have been a REAL JW blah blah blah.

highoctane:
Visit https://www. jw.org
That definition defines us of who we are from Nigeria to Japan, Japan to Brazil, South Africa to Siberia.
There are no beggars among Jehovah's witnesses as to beg when they are in need.

Will that link take me to the definition or just to the homepage of una website?

MVLOX:
Hmmmm... One of the biggest problem we have as Nigerians is that we are just too reactionary.... They are like the police. They shoot first before investigating. Nigerian are too quick to judge based on one side of the story. In Nigeria who speaks first and uses social media very well has won already.

It's sadly really....

oga american! what do u mean here?

highoctane:
I highly doubt if she was one of Jehovah's witnesses.,
Or someone want to carry out a smear campaign against Jehovah's witnesses.
I highly doubt if she was one of Jehovah's witnesses., Greatly doubtful.

This doesn't answer my question to you though.

Again, this story here has to do with a sick individual not laziness. You come in stating that all members had their needs taken care of either by self or the organization.

According to the OP'S Account, this lady had been sick for an extended period of time and had need for large funds to help offset cost of medical procedures she needed. This was where the catholic charity had come in. But you are here saying that the JW organization was obligated to cover her expenses instead as she is a member? Is this correct?

MVLOX:
Shut your mouth if you don't have something reasonable to say. Must you come out in public to showcase your low IQ?

Did you even read the report very well. Let me help you.

From The Information Gathered By , Ogechukwu Ochiaga had been ill for a while and her story was shared online last year as people begged for donations to help sponsor her medical treatment.

She wasn't even the one who shared the story. What if she wasn't even the one who asked these people to solicit funds for her? What if it wasn't lack of funds that caused her death? Journalism in Nigeria has been left to every Dick and Harry. Instead of the reporter to do his investigation he just copied and pasted someone's reaction and everybody is falling head over heels to say all sort of things.

Nigerian are so gullible. More reason politrickians will continue to make a fool and mockery of us......

Since you have shamelessly associated yourself with barbarism and a member of a religious cult group.
Maybe you should help your church to tell us why she rejected the money

2.why you guys reject blood transfusion and had to fight for it till you loss at supreme court.

I forgive you for the insulting language you used,if you repeat that,I will go all out for you.

I forgive you for this insult.

Janosky:
Is God's command @Acts 15:29 "Abstain from blood" written in your own Bible?

1 Corinthians 1:25, your wisdom/ideology is "USELESS" to my God.

"When you read the Bible try to study and don't go out of context
That you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols and from [tasting] blood and from [eating the meat of animals] that have been strangled and from sexual impurity. If you keep yourselves from these things, you will do well. Farewell [be strong]!"
Acts 15:29 AMPC


[This is] because the foolish thing [that has its source in] God is wiser than men, and the weak thing [that springs] from God is stronger than men.
1 Corinthians 1:25 AMPC
The second scripture you quoted, how do they relate together.

Kobojunkie:
All of your churches are built on the doctrines and traditions of men, lies which Jesus Christ warned His followers to avoid by all means, so they are much like the JW church except the JW church is operated much like a cult.

What your likes call the tradition of men stem from an improper understanding of the message of Christ who didn't really come with a list of dos and donts but with a simple message of salvation anchored on simply loving one's neighbor as oneself. Your likes call Christmas and other Christian festivals and ordinances the tradition of men because you don't know that the God has always given the power to make decisions on how best to serve God in certain circumstances. Go and read the entire book of Esther and you won't see any verse where God is mentioned throughout meaning that God never spoke to anyone or got involved in the politics of Esther and Modecai on one hand, and Hamman on the other hand yet Modecai established the Purim Festival to commemorate the victory of the Jews over Hamman through Esther and the Jews thereafter continued to observe the Festival without God ever disapproving of it. Christianity is not a new slavery under another set of carnal laws but a new life guided by one's conscience. Paul The Apostle said it unequivocally that there is nothing wrong if the followers of Christ decide on their own to set aside certain days for some religious purposes. When Paul got to Athens he saw a temple in which e inscription 'Dedicated to an unknown god's was written. Definitely the founders of the temple didn't have the God of Jesus in mind when they wrote that inscription. Rather, they were referring to one of their Greek idols which they thought they weren't aware of his experience, but Paul used that as an opportunity to introduce to them the true God by saying that that God in the inscription was God Almighty. If someone like you were to be there that day you would have accused Paul of mixing Christianity with idolatry. In Christianity you use any possible opportunity and means to bring unbelivers to the knowledge of the true God. Such methods could even involve copying a part of their very pagan tradition as a vehicle to achieve that. So Christianity is not Judaism that is about hard and fast rules.

joyandfaith:
Misinformation. Accepting financial help from any individual or organisation is personal responsibility. It is not part of JW doctrine.
We don't have the details and social media sensation may not provide accurate picture.

But she wanted to accept from the guy personally and not as a group? Na doctrine cause am.

joyandfaith:
Misinformation. Accepting financial help from any individual or organisation is personal responsibility. It is not part of JW doctrine.
We don't have the details and social media sensation may not provide accurate picture.

But it was the guy who had a close relationship with her that posted it. What reason would he have to lie against her?

I honestly don't want to argue over this because obviously you're a JW fellow, but I've seen similar scenario play out before so this is very believable.

[quote author= post=109279547]A chef who was a member of Jehovah's Witness has died allegedly after refusing financial aid from a Catholic Church, Reports.

From The Information Gathered By , Ogechukwu Ochiaga had been ill for a while and her story was shared online last year as people begged for donations to help sponsor her medical treatment.

One of those who shared her story is a Facebook user known as Bro Can Mbanefo and he begged people to donate any amount they have.

He returned to Facebook today, Jan 11, to reveal that Ogechukwu died yesterday.

While announcing her death, he called out Jehovah's Witness and blamed their doctrine for her death.

He claimed that a Catholic Church in Italy found out about her case and reached out to pay for her surgery. However she allegedly refused to take the money from the Catholic Church as her Church doctrine forbids it.

Mbanefo added that she said she was only willing to accept the money if it comes from a personal account, not from the church.

The money was then donated by the church to other sick people.

Friends have taken to Facebook to mourn Ogechukwu.




https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=4909874832391867&id=100001081974124[/quote]Ayam not understanding the development that took place. Why didnt anyone think of collecting the money from the catholic church into his/her account and forward it to the sick lady After all that will mean it came from an individuals account . Mtcheew... Wisdom is profitable to direct.

Deadlytruth:
1. What your likes call the tradition of men stem from an improper understanding of the message of Christ who didn't really come with a list of dos and donts but with a simple message of salvation anchored on simply loving one's neighbor as oneself.

2. Your likes call Christmas and other Christian festivals and ordinances the tradition of men because you don't know that the God has always given the power to make decisions on how best to serve God in certain circumstances.

3. Go and read the entire book of Esther and you won't see any verse where God is mentioned throughout meaning that God never spoke to anyone or got involved in the politics of Esther and Modecai on one hand, and Hamman on the other hand yet Modecai established the Purim Festival to commemorate the victory of the Jews over Hamman through Esther and the Jews thereafter continued to observe the Festival without God ever disapproving of it.

4. Christianity is not a new slavery under another set of carnal laws but a new life guided by one's conscience. Paul The Apostle said it unequivocally that there is nothing wrong if the followers of Christ decide on their own to set aside certain days for some religious purposes. When Paul got to Athens he saw a temple in which e inscription 'Dedicated to an unknown god's was written. Definitely the founders of the temple didn't have the God of Jesus in mind when they wrote that inscription. Rather, they were referring to one of their Greek idols which they thought they weren't aware of his experience, but Paul used that as an opportunity to introduce to them the true God by saying that that God in the inscription was God Almighty. If someone like you were to be there that day you would have accused Paul of mixing Christianity with idolatry.

5. In Christianity you use any possible opportunity and means to bring unbelivers to the knowledge of the true God. Such methods could even involve copying a part of their very pagan tradition as a vehicle to achieve that. So Christianity is not Judaism that is about hard and fast rules.

1. Jesus Christ is the one who pointed out that these doctrines and traditions of men(and their churches) which pretend to include ideas about His message as nothing but lies meant to delude and deceive people away from following the Truth of God - Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 & Mark 7 vs 1 - 13

2. Jesus Christ never gave an man power or authority to add or remove laws or ritual celebrations in His name. It is against God for any man to add or remove laws or statues to or from His Law.

There are no such things as Christian holidays this because Jesus Christ never instituted any such for those in His Kingdom. Christmas, Easter etc., are all pagan holidays and to be celebrated as such.

3. So, according to you, without inserting God's name into the act, Modecai established a pagan(without God's name) national holiday called Purim which is celebrated by jews to this day. If Modecai did not see fit to instead God's name into the celebration, why do you now want to drag His name into it?

4. And this where the problem lies as far as your understanding of Christianity. Jesus Christ is God's New Covenant agreement which He promised through His prophets to the children of Israel, with which to bless the Nations of the world with. Unlike the Old Covenant Law of Moses which came with 613 commandments and statutes, God sent Jesus Christ with a light yoke and an easy burden for us to bear - Matthew 11 vs 28 - 30.

Much like the Old Covenant however, the new Covenant comes complete with blessings, curses, commandments (about 100 of them) ,ritual and promises - eternity in the Kingdom of God(Heaven or Hell)- to boot. And also like the Old Covenant, the key to God's Kingdom is obedience.

So, as Jesus Christ made clear, those who love Him are those who Trust in and obey His commandments- John 14 vs 15 - 25.

5. You are in this world and so even the cloths you were are of this world aka Pagan. Most of the food you eat are produced by Pagans are they not. There is nothing wrong with engaging the pagan world around you so long as you don't pretend you do so in the Name of God.

There is nothing, for instance, wrong with celebrating Pagan holidays like Christmas or Easter or even Halloween as just what they are, pagan holidays. It becomes a sin however when you pretend your celebrating is being done in the name of God, and this because God never commanded those holidays to begin with. It's really that simple.

achorladey:
Will that link take me to the definition or just to the homepage of una website?

Thanks for visiting, please don't be in a hurry to leave, scroll a little bit, and explore the topic
Jehovah's witnesses who are we?
Then click Jehovah's witnesses, it will take you to What Do Jehovah's witnesses believe?
Jehovah's witnesses ain't a cult. Some family members of prominent political office holders and rulers who have abandoned christo-paganism are members, that's not their strength or position to boast.
Keep exploring.

Eaglesence:
Ayam not understanding the development that took place. Why didnt anyone think of collecting the money from the catholic church into his/her account and forward it to the sick lady After all that will mean it came from an individuals account . Mtcheew... Wisdom is profitable to direct.

Are you being intentionally stewpid or something?

Why would a charity pay money they marked for her into the hands of someone else who behind her back claims to be collecting on her behalf, at least without her express consent?

highoctane:
Thanks for visiting, please don't be in a hurry to leave, scroll a little bit, and explore the topic
Jehovah's witnesses who are we?
Then click Jehovah's witnesses, it will take you to What Do Jehovah's witnesses believe?
Jehovah's witnesses ain't a cult. Some family members of prominent political office holders and rulers who have abandoned christo-paganism are members, that's not their strength or position to boast.
Keep exploring.

are you for real or ideal with what you just post? You didn't even reference the initial link well.

The question was who really is a Jehovah’s witness paapaa as defined by the religious organization you belong.

You want me to keep navigating the website for information that is not partaining to my question.

Karemarealty288:
....believes everyone will die and they inherit all the houses in banana island.....

Not sure it is exactly like that.

Briller:
Hmmm. I don't want to sound judgemental but 90percent of the JW members I have come across are hypocrites. Argue with your ancestors if you doubt my submissions but if you know you know.

They claim they don't celebrate birthdays, yet partake of birthday cakes....
They claim they don't celebrate Christmas, yet partake in the chicken and all other orishirishi used to celebrate Christmas...
They practice endogamy but commit adultery with people of other faith...
They work in civil service but don't respect national symbol such as anthem, yet they benefit from the same system as long as they are paid salaries from taxpayers money...
They cheat the system by using official hours to go out for evangelism so that their marks would be accorded them in their drive to gain more converts...
They love their Christian brothers and sisters more than their biological siblings...SMH

The list is endless.

Even, Deeper Life people behaves almost the same.
A lot of people are hiding under religion or carrying religion on their head may not even see the face of God.

Inosky:
Even, Deeper Life people behaves almost the same.
A lot of people are hiding under religion or carrying religion on their head may not even see the face of God.

Jesus Christ pretty much talk am say anyone who carry doctrines and traditions of men(and their churches) for head no go go anywhere near Him Heaven- Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 & Mark 7 vs 1 - 13