Janosky:


Pls Note the bolded points in your post & these scriptures in my post:
Revelation 5:9-10,
Revelation 1:5-6.
Revelation 14:1,3.

The 144,000 in heaven with Jesus the Lamb were redeemed from the earth as what?
"Priests and co-rulers with Jesus Christ in God's heavenly kingdom "to rule over the earth"
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You think say Dem dey go heaven for jamboree?

Genesis 1:26-28 & Isaiah 45:18 & Matthew 5:5, has God ever changed His arrangement for earthly inhabitation?

No , not at all.

2 Peter 3:13 & Matthew 6:9-10, study with understanding.
According to Jesus and his apostle, All good people do NOT go to heaven, Matthew 11:11.

tctrills:
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Revelation 5:9-10,
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

How is this connected you your 144,000. Revelation 5:9-10 never said they were 144,000

[i]Revelation 5:9-10 & Revelation 14:3, says[/i]144,000 were redeemed from the earth to rule in heaven as priests and kings (with Christ) over the earth"

Shikena

tctrills:

Genesis 1:26-28 & Isaiah 45:18 & Matthew 5:5 says nothing about your 144,000. What verse says only 144,000 would be in heaven biko?

cornelboy:
I've been busy. I don't feel pressured at all.

Janosky:

Revelation 5:9-10 & Revelation 14:1,3, said so, 144,000 redeemed from the earth to rule with Christ.
Revelation 14:1,144,000 with the Lamb Jesus Christ in heaven.
Revelation 14:3, 144,000 were redeemed from the earth, they sing a special song.
Does tctrills know that song?
[i]Revelation 5:9-10 & Revelation 14:3, says[/i]144,000 were redeemed from the earth to rule in heaven as priests and kings (with Christ) over the earth"

Shikena

Genesis 1:26-28 & Isaiah 45:18 & Matthew 5:5, God's plan for man populate the earth is unchangeable.
2 Peter 3:13 & Matthew 6:9-10 millions of righteous people will dwell on earth forever when God's kingdom comes to rule over the earth heaven

tctrills:

These are clearly Jesus Christ's entourage. It was never indicated that they are the only ones in heaven.
3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

Janosky:

Who else did your Bible tell you were taken to heaven as priests and kings to rule with Christ?

tctrills:
I guess you are busy but I am having a swell time with another guy who believes in the 14400 thing. He has given me more than 10 verses, none says only 144000 people are going to heaven. Again, the 144,000 must be virgin men. that excludes Peter, he was married.

Can I ask you an honest question?
Is there really any scripture that says only 144000 people are going to heaven?

cornelboy:
The response is ready already but before i post it i have some questions? Is the book of revelation mostly literal or symbolic?

Revelation 20:14 NLV
[14]Then death and the grave (or hell) were thrown into the lake of fire. This lake of fire is the second death.

Is grave hell or death something you can cast into fire literally?

tctrills:
To this question my honest answer is I don't know. But where are you going with this?

I just want us to be honest with each other as we do this. Let's agree with only what the Bible says

Janosky:

Who else did your Bible tell you were taken to heaven as priests and kings to rule with Christ?

cornelboy:
I was trying to show you that "virgin" in the book of revelation and Jesus' parable is figurative. It illustrate righteous people.

tctrills:
I honestly don't know if we use the same bible
Let's see what Revelation 5:9-10 & Revelation 14:1,3 says in my bible.
Revelation 5:9-10... This is Gods blessing for the righteous nothing about 144000.
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
Revelation 14:1,3
And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
Revelation 14:3

3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

tctrills:

Nothing about these 144000 musicians being the only ones to make heaven.

Janosky:

Who are the redeemed in Revelation 14:1-3 & Revelation 5:9-10?
Only 144,000 priests and kings to rule with Jesus Christ over the earth.

Revelation 3:21, do you know that Jesus Christ was appointed a king in heaven?
Revelation 14:1-3 & Revelation 5:9-10, 144000 are his co- rulers.



Oga, 144000 redeemed to rule as "priests and kings with Christ" are not in heaven for music jamboree.

Kingdom meaning Government of a king.
Revelation 3:21, Jesus is the king of his Father's kingdom.
Is there any kingdom with out subjects?
Matthew 5:5 & 2 Peter 3:13, are the righteous subjects of God's kingdom who will never die not fall sick, Revelation 21:4-5.

Janosky:

Who are the redeemed in Revelation 14:1-3 & Revelation 5:9-10?
Only 144,000 priests and kings to rule with Jesus Christ over the earth.

Revelation 3:21, do you know that Jesus Christ was appointed a king in heaven?
Revelation 14:1-3 & Revelation 5:9-10, 144000 are his co- rulers.



Oga, 144000 redeemed to rule as "priests and kings with Christ" are not in heaven for music jamboree.

Kingdom meaning Government of a king.
Revelation 3:21, Jesus is the king of his Father's kingdom.
Is there any kingdom with out subjects?
Matthew 5:5 & 2 Peter 3:13, are the righteous subjects of God's kingdom who will never die not fall sick, Revelation 21:4-5.

tctrills:

My brother, we don't just decide to call stuff figurative for argument's sake. John was very clear, he explained that these guys have never been with women. Secondly, we are never told that these are the only people to go to heaven. That's the major issue here. You need to show why you think John was being figurative.

cornelboy:
Yeah i de feel you. This not for argument sake.
Guy nobody fit be virgin forever. Even virgin Mary mother of Jesus was disflowered.
Reason on the revelation verse i gave you bro about hell and death being cast into the lake of fire. It's not literal, it means something else. Figure it out yourself.
Jesus didn't even say na only men go de the kingdom.
I'll post that comment soon

cornelboy:
Yeah i de feel you. This not for argument sake.
Guy nobody fit be virgin forever. Even virgin Mary mother of Jesus was disflowered.
Reason on the revelation verse i gave you bro about hell and death being cast into the lake of fire. It's not literal, it means something else. Figure it out yourself.
Jesus didn't even say na only men go de the kingdom.
I'll post that comment soon

tctrills:

My brother, we don't just decide to call stuff figurative for argument's sake. John was very clear, he explained that these guys have never been with women.
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You don't want to accept Revelation 14:1-3.
It changes everything you ever believed

tctrills:

Secondly, we are never told that these are the only people to go to heaven.

John the Baptiser was a virgin.
Matthew 11:11, did he go to heaven?
Never !

tctrills:

That's the major issue here. You need to show why you think John was being figurative.
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tctrills:

tctrills:
First there are people that have been virgins forever.
For now, I can agree with you that hell and death being cast into the lake of fire is not literal because I told you I don't know but do you want us to claim that everything in revelations is not literal?

cornelboy:


Matthew 6:10
[10]May your Kingdom come soon.
May your will be done on earth,
    as it is in heaven.
Matthew 3:2
[2]“Repent of your sins and turn to God, for the Kingdom of Heaven is near.”
Luke 8:1
[1]Soon afterward Jesus began a tour of the nearby towns and villages, preaching and announcing the Good News about the Kingdom of God. He took his twelve disciples with him,

What's the kingdom of God to you? Does it mean just heaven or going to heaven after death? Or they have a specific mission to accomplish in the future?

Luke 13:28-29
[28]“....for you will see Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and all the prophets in the Kingdom of God, but you will be thrown out.
[29]And people will come from all over the world—from east and west, north and south—to take their places in the Kingdom of God.

You quoted this verse yourself. Why will only Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and all the prophets be in God's kingdom, what bout the kings and the a the people of Israel?

Isaiah 9:6
....The government will rest on his shoulders...

Daniel 2:44
[44]“During the reigns of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed or conquered. It will crush all these kingdoms into nothingness, and it will stand forever.

Revelation 12:10
[10]Then I heard a loud voice shouting across the heavens,
“It has come at last—
    salvation and power
and the Kingdom of our God,
    and the authority of his Christ.
For the accuser of our brothers and sisters
    has been thrown down to earth—
the one who accuses them
    before our God day and night.

The kingdom was set up in a particular time which clearly shows that it's heaven itself.
It's was set up after Jesus resurrected to heaven, fought and defeated Satan. Christ was then instated as the king of God's kingdom.

Revelation 5:9-10
For you were slaughtered, and your blood has ransomed people for God
    from every tribe and language and people and nation.
[10]And you have caused them to become
    a Kingdom of priests for our God.
    And they will reign on the earth.”
These are the few people chosen to rule with Christ compared to the population of christians.
If every good person goes to heaven or are part of God's kingdom, who will they rule over? The few chosen ones ransomed by blood of Christ are the kings under Jesus the King.
They've already began ruling in heaven but the kingdom will come to rule the earth and fulfill God's will for earth. Dan 2:44, Mathew 6:10.

Revelation 14:1-4
[1]Then I saw the Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with him were 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads.
[2]And I heard a sound from heaven like the roar of mighty ocean waves or the rolling of loud thunder. It was like the sound of many harpists playing together.
[3]This great choir sang a wonderful new song in front of the throne of God and before the four living beings and the twenty-four elders. No one could learn this song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth.
[4]They have kept themselves as pure as virgins, following the Lamb wherever he goes. They have been purchased from among the people on the earth as a special offering to God and to the Lamb.

Or maybe you can show me where the Bible says [b]every [/b]righteous people will inherit God's kingdom Make we reason.

tctrills:

The righteous.
The kind, matt 25 remember.
The pure in heart.
Those that overcome.
The 12 disciples.. including the non Virgin's among themy
The born again
And I can go on and on.

Janosky:

Oga, in the old testament, Isaiah 57:3-13, JEHOVAH accused Israel of spiritual immorality, were they fornicating with women?
No !!!

All the ones listed in your post are the "144000 redeemed from the earth to rule with Christ"

Janosky:

Oga, in the old testament, Isaiah 57:3-13, JEHOVAH accused Israel of prostitution, were they fornicating with women?
No !!!

Revelation 14 :1-3 & James 4:4 have proven that it's not virginity in the literal sense.

All the ones listed in your post are the "144000 redeemed from the earth to rule with Christ"

Janosky:

Oga, in the old testament, Isaiah 57:3-13, JEHOVAH accused Israel of prostitution, were they fornicating with women?
No !!!

Revelation 14 :1-3 & James 4:4 have proven that it's not virginity in the literal sense.

All the ones listed in your post ,'born again", "pure in heart" etc form the "144000 redeemed from the earth to rule with Christ."

2 Peter 3:13, your Bible & Jesus Christ @ Matthew 5:5 proven that all good people will NOT go to heaven.
The righteous ones not going to heaven will inherit the earth forever in peace and longevity, Revelation 21:3-5.

tctrills:

1st you have failed to show any scripture that says only 144000 men would be in the kingdom.
Secondly, the bible does not need to use your words that every righteous person would be in the kingdom but it says it abundantly.
Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are you poor, for yours is the kingdom of God
34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.
'To him who overcomes I will give the privilege of sitting down with Me on My throne, as I also have overcome and have sat down with My Father on His throne
But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well.

How else do you want it to be said

cornelboy:
Are you saying all the righteous will be in the kingdom of God?
Are they in the kingdom presently, like did they go to inherit it after death or they will inherit the kingdom when Jesus comes back and they are resurrected from the dead?

tctrills:

Oga, in the old testament, Isaiah 57:3-13, JEHOVAH accused Israel of spiritual immorality, were they fornicating with women?
No !!! I am not getting your point. You just said they were accused of spiritual immorality, not physical immorality. What is your point?

tctrills:

Oga, in the old testament, Isaiah 57:3-13, JEHOVAH accused Israel of spiritual immorality, were they fornicating with women?
No !!! I am not getting your point. You just said they were accused of spiritual immorality, not physical immorality. What is your point?

cornelboy:
He meant they were worshipping other gods instead of YHWH. That makes them prostitutes.

tctrills:

When they are resurrected and judged.

Janosky:

Isaiah 57:3-13, James 4:4, adultery, prostitution is NOT related to sleeping with women, in the same manner that Virginity @ 2 Corinthians 11:2 & Revelation 14:4 is not literal.
James 4:4 "Friendship with the world is adultery" not in a literal, sexual way.
2 Corinthians 11:2, believers are virgins to Christ", does it mean virginity in the literal way?

No !
Most of the believers were married.
Therefore, Revelation 14:4 & 2 Corinthians 11:2 is not virginity in a literal way.
Virginity is spiritual purity "spotless from the world", John 17:16