cornelboy:

Yes I'm. Thanks for the encouraging words.

MaxInDHouse:

So you're the same as OkCornel!

Wow!

OkCornel:


@dappaD, cornelboy is not OkCornel.

Cheers

MaxInDHouse:

So you're the same as OkCornel!

Wow!

DappaD:


Okay. Understood.

cornelboy:
Yeah i will soon. Sorry boss.

cornelboy:
Maybe you should do research on how Trinity doctrine was established first.
They said God was Duo like Jesus and God the Father only at first but later added the holy spirit.

Here is one reasoning; check the verses in the New testament where the word "God" is used e.g John 3:16 "for 'God' so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son...", Who does the word God in the verse refer to, the Trinity or God the Father?

Hebrews 1:1-2
[1]Long ago "God" spoke many times and in many ways to our ancestors through the prophets.
[2]And now in these final days, he has spoken to us through his Son. "God" promised everything to the Son as an inheritance, and through the Son he created the universe.
The "God" in these verses refers to the Trinity or God the Father only?
Try many other verses.
Please be open minded.
I know it sounds stupid but trust me pls.

There's another thing I want you to do, and it will either expose me or the JW generally as a liar or the Trinity as false doctrine.

It's about Revelation 1:8. Ask your mom to help you with the verse since she's a lecturer. Let her study from verse one to eight using different and reliable versions of the Bible in simpler English (she can get it online).
Then ask her this question; who is verse 8 referring to Jesus or GOD the Father?

It might sound stupid but it's worth it.
Follow your heart sis.

MaxInDHouse:


Apostates are easy to recognize "by their FRUIT" {Matthew 7:16-18} you will notice that he is always furious at standards set by Jesus but at the same time he will never point, present or talk about APOSTASY since that's exactly the group he belongs to. Then you will see him arguing profusely as if he truly love to see pure worship flourish yet he will not talk about groups profaning pure worship because to him all religions claiming CHRISTIANS are approved even the Catholic Church that builds images visible to all eyes and bowing to it are CHRISTIANS to him! Exodus 20:4-5
So what FRUIT is he producing (supporting)?
LAWLESSNESS! Matthew 7:21-23

You will notice that he is always furious at standards set by Jesus

but at the same time he will never point, present or talk about APOSTASY since that's exactly the group he belongs to.

Then you will see him arguing profusely as if he truly love to see pure worship flourish yet he will not talk about groups profaning pure worship

Emusan:


So you agreed that those date pop out by your founder Charles Taze Russell predecessors are mistakes out of overzealousness not that they actually read it from Bible nor being told by Jehovah.

Yet they attached it to Jehovah as they are directed by Him.

cornelboy:
The bible gave what they use for the calculation. But it certainly not from prophecy if you read the history well.

Emusan:


He lied that WTBTS never RESTRICTS anyone from blood transfusion.

When taking blood transfusion can lead to your disfellowsip.

Emusan continue DECEIVING yourself.

Nelidee:


No need to go there and do that. They're already doing that to themselves, saving their loved ones while you Stand there and watch your loved ones die.

Really nice isn't it?

Emusan:


[s]Pot calling kettle black!

Can you see how confused your are?
[/s]
Just because your brothers and sisters in Bulgaria are allowed to do blood transfusion.

Yet you said, the organization never restricts anyone from doing it.

Emusan:


All these are happening simply because you've been brainwashed beyond measure to defend anymore organization rather than standing for the Word of God.

Emusan:


You're surprised that your brothers and sisters in Bulgaria do tranfuse blood

You never see anything

Rosement:

Just let's agree that we are both right in my own ways. You understand your belief very well and I understand mine very well also. I'm not following my parent's belief or a pastor's belief. From a young age, I have been studying the Bible on my own. When I listen to sermons that are not Biblically sound I don't observe them and I always pray to the Holy Spirit for guidance after reading the Bible. I even discovered that some of the doctrines of my parent's Church was limiting me for no reason, things that God did not limit us from doing was part of their doctrines.

When I became independent, I changed my Church to the one that corresponded with my faith and I avoid arguing with my parents about doctrine even when they bring up such arguments. I always head over to my house immediately after Church service is over, I did not even join any department in the Church so that I will not be noticed. I don't go to any pastor for extra prayers and I even prayed on my own to receive the Holy Spirit and He has been leading and directing my life. My visions and revelations use to come to pass. There was a time, I even was persuaded to deliver a friend Spiritually after she confessed that she was trying to hurt me, I did not even know I could perform deliverance on my own. I have had several personal experiences that make me believe I am on the right path.

I pray the Holy Spirit guides you to the right path and if I am the one on the wrong path, I pray the Holy Spirit guide me to the right path. Thanks for your concern.

tctrills:

Now I am putting you under pressure.

Rosement:

Relevation 1:8
Jesus called Himself God in the Bible.
Revelation 1:8 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."
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8“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, who is and was and is to come—the Almighty."

Revelation 1:1 God gave revelation to Jesus Christ.
Revelation 1:6, " Jesus made us priests to his God & Father"

Revelation 1:8
In your KJV bible, from Genesis to Revelation, the Lord God Almighty is the God and Father of Jesus Christ.

Rose girl,You have the option to continue DECEIVING yourself.

Rosement:


Twisting of life. Anyway, I don't blame you, Russell, your master has limited you guys. Perhaps, you only finished primary school because anybody that understands English will definitely understand this verse, even a five years old will interpret this verse properly.
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Rosement:


I have told you I am not forcing you to learn. Just stop criticizing and insulting the Christian doctrine and follow the religion your level of IQ allow you to understand. Why are you fetching water into a basket? What will your criticisms do? It can't change anything so your arguments are pointless, the truth is very clear. Nobody Christian will bow to your words, they are just empty words without points.

Just use your common sense, would you like it or keep quiet if we Christians open threads to insult or criticize your group, just because we don't agree with your beliefs? Your belief is really none of our business, practice your doctrines in peace and stop disturbing, that is all we are asking from you.

If you want to preach your belief, preach it. You don't have to criticize others religion before you preach yours.

John 20:17, did Jesus Christ worship 3 persons?
Continue WAILING upandan with childish tantrum.
3 godheads Polytheists doctrine is NOT Jesus doctrine. John 7:16

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tctrills:

Please don't forget, you promised to show me where the bible said 144 people would go to heaven. I trust you would keep your promise

Janosky:


Why do you DECEIVE yourself?
(Read the Screenshot. The Lancet is a well renowned medical journal.)
All the people who transfused blood and died.
What saved them?

Hebrews 11:17-19 Acts15:28-29 obedience to the God who resurrects the dead is more important to JWs.
Do you understand that?

Emusan:


It's evident you don't understand her post which I'm not surprised because I know you lack simple comprehension.



Where did Christ present better performing group?



We all know this is number one attribute of JWs.

Emusan:


That means, you're also a pagan like Russell and his pagan team because WTBTS also claimed to be Christians with contradictory teachings.



That's not what Jesus did



Are you Jesus to have known who is practicing TRUE CHRISTIANITY?

Emusan:


This is Matt 24:9 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me"

This was said by Jesus also in Matt 5:11 “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me."

Where in those verses didn't you see Jesus said people will be persecuted because of speaking against false religions claiming believers?

The spirit of your father the devil is really working well in you

Janosky:


Your claim is built on a false premise.

Your own Bible NEVER mentioned 144 people going to heaven..
Cc: Cornelboy

cornelboy:
I've been busy. I don't feel pressured at all.

tctrills:
Honestly I don't understand what you mean.

Janosky:


144 people is NEVER stated in your Bible as going to heaven.
Do you understand?

cornelboy:

Their responses are evidence of their hatred for the JWs

tctrills:

No number is stated, whats your point. If you want to take the place of the young man, welcome, this is a forum, you can answer the question

Janosky:


Revelation 1:1

1This is the revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants what must soona come to pass. He made it known by sending His angel to His servant John, 2who testifies to everything he saw. This is the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ.

3Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear and obey what is written in it, because the time is near.

John Greets the Seven Churches

4John,

To the seven churches in the province of Asia:b

Grace and peace to you from Him who is and was and is to come, and from the seven Spiritsc before His throne, 5and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn [/b]from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.

To Him who loves us and has released us from our sins by His blood, [b]6who has made us to be a kingdom, priests to His God and Father—to Him be the glory and power forever and ever! Amen.

7Behold, He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see Him—even those who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. So shall it be! Amen.

8“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, who is and was and is to come—the Almighty."

Revelation 1:1 God gave revelation to Jesus Christ.
Revelation 1:6, " Jesus made us priests to his God & Father"

Revelation 1:8
In your KJV bible, from Genesis to Revelation, the Lord God Almighty is the God and Father of Jesus Christ.

Rose girl,You have the option to continue DECEIVING yourself.


Revelation1:1 God gave revelation to Jesus Christ.
Revelation 1:6, " Jesus made us priests to his God & Father"

Rose girl, you have proven you don't understand Revelation 1:1,6 pointing to the truth in verse 8,
Jesus Christ is a servant given the Revelation by God his Father.

Revelation 1:8 is NOT rocket science.

John 20:17, did Jesus Christ worship 3 persons?
Continue WAILING upandan with childish tantrum.
3 godheads Polytheists doctrine is NOT Jesus doctrine. John 7:16

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Janosky:

Revelation 1:1,5-6 & Revelation 14:1-3.
Do you understand the revelation given to Jesus Christ?

tctrills:
Yes I do but I would love to hear your version. And please stick to the bible and no conspiracy theory ok.
Revelation 1
1[b] The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him[/b], to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:


5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Revelation 14:1-3
And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

Revelation 14 says John saw Jesus with hundred forty and four thousand on mount Sion, is that it? Like really? How does this tell you that only
these hundred forty and four thousand people are going to heaven?

You are honestly not going to tell me that this was where you got that 144,000 idea from?

Janosky:


Pls Note the bolded points & these scriptures:
Revelation 5:9-10,
Revelation 1:5-6.
Revelation 14:1,3.

The 144,000 in heaven with Jesus the Lamb were redeemed from the earth as what?
"Priests and co-rulers with Jesus Christ in God's heavenly kingdom.

You think say Dem dey go heaven for jamboree?



Genesis 1:26-28 & Isaiah 45:18 & Matthew 5:5, has God ever changed His arrangement for earthly inhabitation?

Janosky:


Pls Note the bolded points in your post & these scriptures in my post:
Revelation 5:9-10,
Revelation 1:5-6.
Revelation 14:1,3.

The 144,000 in heaven with Jesus the Lamb were redeemed from the earth as what?
"Priests and co-rulers with Jesus Christ in God's heavenly kingdom "to rule over the earth"
.
You think say Dem dey go heaven for jamboree?

Genesis 1:26-28 & Isaiah 45:18 & Matthew 5:5, has God ever changed His arrangement for earthly inhabitation?

No , not at all.

2 Peter 3:13 & Matthew 6:9-10, study with understanding