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cornelboy:
Emusan, i dont know who he's to you though, said your using emojis in comments means your joyful in the lord.
And i said it could be fake.
Why'd you ask me if I don't want you to be joyful?
You should just speak for yourself, no de ask me question

Na me be the lord wey de give joy?

After nairaland land internet don finish?

Emusan, i dont know who he's to you though, said your using emojis in comments means your joyful in the lord.

And i said it could be fake.

Why'd you ask me if I don't want you to be joyful?

Na me be the lord wey de give joy?

After nairaland land internet don finish?

cornelboy:
Speak for yourself baba

cornelboy:
Revelation 21:3
[3]I heard a loud shout from the throne, saying, “Look, God’s home is now among his people! He will live with them, and they will be his people. God himself will be with them.

God is no someone abi na state no problem.

Tctrills

cornelboy:
1 Corinthians 8:6
[6]But for us,
There is one God, the Father,
    by whom all things were created,
    and for whom we live.

The one God we have is the Father, you de hear?
When Jesus de pray to im Father in John 17:3, wetin e call Am? The only true God right?

Spirit of lies ke

We asked if Jesus was the Father, you said no.
You said God is a state, yet you admit that Jesus is a God (a state).
Who's the Father, you didn't respond.

Are saying Jesus is the Father too?

But the bible says the one God we have is the FATHER, isn't that true?

According to 1 Corinthians 15:24-28, who'll Jesus hand over the kingdom too?

According to revelation 21, who's coming to earth? A state abi not God?

cornelboy:
1 Corinthians 8:6
[6]But for us,
There is one God, the Father,
    by whom all things were created,
    and for whom we live.

The one God we have is the Father, you de hear?
When Jesus de pray to im Father in John 17:3, wetin e call Am? The only true God right?

Spirit of lies ke

We asked if Jesus was the Father, you said no.
You said God is a state, yet you admit that Jesus is a God (a state).
Who's the Father, you didn't respond.

Are saying Jesus is the Father too?

But the bible says the one God we have is the FATHER, isn't that true?

According to 1 Corinthians 15:24-28, who'll Jesus hand over the kingdom too?

According to revelation 21, who's coming to earth? A state abi not God?

tctrills:
Brother take it easy with the insults. Can we discuss without being rude biko?
I asked you for scripture, not your personal opinion sir.
All these wonderful things you said where e dey for bible.
How do you know that Jesus is currently ruling heaven with his 144,000? Has he already selected the 144,000? Is the judgment complete already?
And trust me, we are not a team here. Everyone is expressing his own beliefs. I have no team on niaraland.

This is for tctrills. Please read carefully. You will find it interesting.

The main gist as obtained from their religious publications with references you can verify online:

Explanation given for Exodus 23:21

tctrills:
Is Jesus a God? Yes
Is his father a God? Yes
So is the bible right in saying God would dwell with man ? Yes
Is Jesus and his Father the only God the bible spoke about? No.. The Bible also said we are Gods.

tctrills:
But even though we are Gods, we don't worship ever God. We worship Jesus Christ and Our Heavenly Father.

Like Jesus Christ, we are Gods because we are children of our Heavenly Father.
Everything I said is in the bible so what don't you understand.

NNTR:
There is only one God
There are no Gods.
What we are, are gods, we are not God(s). The bible never said that we are Gods.

Smh, we worship God.
When we worship Jesus, we effectively are worshipping God

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

achorladey:
Preamble:

You have been challenged by cornelboy because you stated that Jehovah is Jesus. What follows is just for you to see how the same religious organization cornelboy belongs tends to be a member of in the future equally try prove your point.



The source of this “calm, low voice” may have been the same spirit who was used to deliver “Jehovah’s word” mentioned at 1 Kings 19:9. In verse 15, this spirit is referred to simply as “Jehovah.” We might be reminded of the spirit emissary whom Jehovah used to guide Israel in the wilderness and of whom God said: “My name is within him.”(Ex. 23:21) We cannot be dogmatic on this point, of course, but it is worth noting that in his prehuman existence, Jesus served as “the Word,” the special Spokesman to Jehovah’s servants.​—John 1:1. Imitate their faith book page 107 published by WTBTS





Jesus also seems to have acted as God’s Spokesman to humans on earth. God likely spoke through Jesus as the Word when giving instructions to Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden. (Genesis 2:16, 17) Jesus may have been the angel who guided the ancient Israelites through the wilderness and whose voice the Israelites were strictly to obey.—Exodus 23:20-23.*...... Bible question answered book..... pg 160 published by WTBTS.

In summary

1. Jesus may have been the person in Exodus 23:21

2. Jesus may have been the same spirit in Exodus 1 Kings 19:9

3. That Jesus who is the May have been in Exodus 23:21 and 1 Kings 19:9 is that spirit simply referred to as JEHOVAH in 1 Kings 19:15

Looooooool to the use of the word simply. Oh and they used John 1:1 to round it up .

Well they don't want to be DOGMATIC about it, but when someone say don't be dogmatic it means they don't want to go as far as making it something you cannot CHALLENGE or UNQUESTIONABLE or UNYIELDING or INFLEXIBLE.

inclined to lay down principles as undeniably true.


synonyms: opinionated, peremptory, assertive, imperative, insistent, emphatic, adamant, doctrinaire, authoritarian, authoritative, domineering, imperious, high-handed, pontifical, arrogant, overbearing, dictatorial, uncompromising, unyielding, unbending, inflexible, rigid, entrenched, unquestionable, unchallengeable, intolerant, narrow-minded, small-minded


That is to say it can be entertained or WELCOMED as well that Jehovah is Jesus but don't or you cannot be dogmatic about it.

Na part 1 be that, part 2 is based on Isaiah 65 . I keep it in the cooler.

tctrills that is the gift I have for you

achorladey:
Preamble:
You have been challenged by cornelboy because you stated that Jehovah is Jesus. What follows is just for you to see how the same religious organization cornelboy belongs tends to be a member of in the future equally try prove your point. The source of this “calm, low voice” may have been the same spirit who was used to deliver “Jehovah’s word” mentioned at 1 Kings 19:9. In verse 15, this spirit is referred to simply as “Jehovah.” We might be reminded of the spirit emissary whom Jehovah used to guide Israel in the wilderness and of whom God said: “My name is within him.”(Ex. 23:21) We cannot be dogmatic on this point, of course, but it is worth noting that in his prehuman existence, Jesus served as “the Word,” the special Spokesman to Jehovah’s servants.​—John 1:1. Imitate their faith book page 107 published by WTBTS Jesus also seems to have acted as God’s Spokesman to humans on earth. God likely spoke through Jesus as the Word when giving instructions to Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden. (Genesis 2:16, 17) Jesus may have been the angel who guided the ancient Israelites through the wilderness and whose voice the Israelites were strictly to obey.—Exodus 23:20-23.*...... Bible question answered book..... pg 160 published by WTBTS.
In summary
1. Jesus may have been the person in Exodus 23:21
2. Jesus may have been the same spirit in Exodus 1 Kings 19:9
3. That Jesus who is the May have been in Exodus 23:21 and 1 Kings 19:9 is that spirit simply referred to as JEHOVAH in 1 Kings 19:15
Looooooool to the use of the word simply. Oh and they used John 1:1 to round it up .
Well they don't want to be DOGMATIC about it, but when someone say don't be dogmatic it means they don't want to go as far as making it something you cannot CHALLENGE or UNQUESTIONABLE or UNYIELDING or INFLEXIBLE.
Inclined to lay down principles as undeniably true.
synonyms: opinionated, peremptory, assertive, imperative, insistent, emphatic, adamant, doctrinaire, authoritarian, authoritative, domineering, imperious, high-handed, pontifical, arrogant, overbearing, dictatorial, uncompromising, unyielding, unbending, inflexible, rigid, entrenched, unquestionable, unchallengeable, intolerant, narrow-minded, small-minded
That is to say it can be entertained or WELCOMED as well that Jehovah is Jesus but don't or you cannot be dogmatic about it.
Na part 1 be that, part 2 is based on Isaiah 65 . I keep it in the cooler.
tctrills that is the gift I have for you

tctrills:
you are correct, when we worship Jesus, we are worshipping God because he is God.

tctrills:
The Bible said we are Gods. Ps 82:6
I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

cornelboy:
Revelation 21:3
[3]I heard a loud shout from the throne, saying, “Look, God’s home is now among his people! He will live with them, and they will be his people. God himself will be with them.

God is no someone abi na state no problem.

Tctrills

NNTR:
Excellent

Does the Bible at all say 'we are Gods' or rather, it says 'we are gods'

Which is which? Is it 'we are Gods' or 'we are gods'?

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

MaxInDHouse:
You claimed there is a publication of JWs that says "Jehovah is Jesus" but instead of fulfilling your promise you ended up running round in the circus like a clown!

Well Jehovah's Witnesses know that whenever anyone reads God's word the listeners aren't listening to the one reading rather they're listening to the voice of JEHOVAH!


Now if you will strictly obey my voice and keep my covenant, you will certainly become my special property out of all peoples, for the whole earth belongs to me. Exodus 19:5

Did Jehovah keeps speaking to every Israelite? NO!
So how do all Israelites listen to the voice of JEHOVAH throughout their generations?
By paying attention whenever Jehovah's words are been read publicly! Deuteronomy 6:6-7

Stop deceiving yourself, the angel representing Jehovah there is Archangel Michael who is always standing for the salvation of God's people! Daniel 12:1

So whenever Michael is speaking to Israel he is serving as Jehovah's mouthpiece to his people.
That's the import of what you're misconstruing in the publication of JWs.
But if you still feel like it's not so then present a JWs publication where it's explicitly stated "Jehovah is Jesus"

claimed there is a publication of JWs that says "Jehovah is Jesus" but instead of fulfilling your promise you ended up running round in the circus like a clown

MaxInDHouse:
Funny trinitarians!

Their TRINITY only reign in their head nothing like VISIBLE WORKS {James 2:18-26} as Jesus promised about his disciples! Matthew 5:14-16

achorladey:
It is not the first time I posted this here.
The key in that post is the religious organization you belong says you cannot be DOGMATIC about it.
Learn.
That spirit is simply JEHOVAH.
Mr Military intelligence officer, I referenced two publications that can be verified using your online website or the hardcopy of these publications.

MaxInDHouse:
Can you quote where it's explicitly stated that "the spirit is simply Jehovah"

Well we know that the angel is a representative meaning Jehovah's mouthpiece!

Now Jehovah was going ahead of them by day in a pillar of cloud to lead them along the way, and by night in a pillar of fire to give them light, so that they could travel by day and by night. Exodus 13:21

Then the angel of the true God who was going ahead of the camp of Israel departed and went to their rear, and the pillar of cloud that was in front of them moved to the rear and stood behind them. Exodus 14:19

The angel was representing Jehovah but not Jehovah himself!

Can you quote where it's explicitly stated that "the spirit is simply Jehovah"

achorladey:
Go back read my post all over again and see which publication in that my post states the below
this spirit is simply Jehovah.
This is easy for military intelligence officer to do. Then come back with your explicitly stated.

MaxInDHouse:
Thanks for wasting my time and data!

tctrills:
I am happy you are a bible scholar

tctrills:
so you should know that in both Hebrew and Greek alphabet's there were no capital or small letters. There was only one lettercase. The big G and small G only began in the English bible as a mark of respect to Our Heaven father and Jesus Christ.

tctrills:
The prophets that wrote the bible did not have letter case to differentiate between big God and small God.

tctrills:
If you don't believe me, do your own research.

NNTR:
2 Timothy 2:15
'Study to shew thyself approved unto God,
a workman that needeth not to be ashamed,
rightly dividing the word of truth.'

I pray that you be a stronger stickler to and adherent of the ethos of 2 Timothy 2:15 above

If the big G and small G only began in the English bible as a mark of respect to Our Heaven Father and Jesus Christ, then why are you breaking from that mark of respect convention and tradition then.

Are you trying to say that there is more than one God then?

The prophets that wrote the bible did not have letter case to differentiate between big God and small God because of the following reasons:
1. They didnt have to grapple with big God and small God because it is an easily settled an open-and-shut case of, there is only one God
2. The word, elohim, is a plural noun, that when used specifically for YHWH aka Yahweh or Jehovah means God because of a singular verb accompanying it, but when, the word, elohim, has a plural verb plural accompanying it, then it indicates anything thought to be 'godly' or seen to be 'god-ish' or 'god-like', (e.g. made man idols) even it also on a human level, represents or stands for, judges or anyone standing in as God's representative.

Genesis 3:5
For God knows that on the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened
[that is, you will have greater awareness],
and you will be like God, knowing [the difference between] good and evil.”

Ezekiel 28:2
“Son of man, say to the prince of Tyre, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD,
“Because your heart is lifted up And you have said and thought,
‘I am a god, I sit in the seat of the gods In the heart of the seas’;
Yet you are [only] a man [weak, feeble, made of earth] and not God,
Though you [imagine yourself to be more than mortal and] think your mind is as [wise as] the mind of God—

Why would you think, you wouldnt be believed. I just pray you arent playing into the hands of devil, with the way you dont want the distinction be clear, by using the God word, with the capitalisation of G exclusively reserved only for the Heavenly Father

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

MaxInDHouse:
You claimed there is a publication of JWs that says "Jehovah is Jesus" but instead of fulfilling your promise you ended up running round in the circus like a clown!

Well Jehovah's Witnesses know that whenever anyone reads God's word the listeners aren't listening to the one reading rather they're listening to the voice of JEHOVAH!


Now if you will strictly obey my voice and keep my covenant, you will certainly become my special property out of all peoples, for the whole earth belongs to me. Exodus 19:5

Did Jehovah keeps speaking to every Israelite? NO!
So how do all Israelites listen to the voice of JEHOVAH throughout their generations?
By paying attention whenever Jehovah's words are been read publicly! Deuteronomy 6:6-7

Stop deceiving yourself, the angel representing Jehovah there is Archangel Michael who is always standing for the salvation of God's people! Daniel 12:1

So whenever Michael is speaking to Israel he is serving as Jehovah's mouthpiece to his people.
That's the import of what you're misconstruing in the publication of JWs.
But if you still feel like it's not so then present a JWs publication where it's explicitly stated "Jehovah is Jesus"

achorladey:
When I bring publications published by the religious organization he belongs where they said Jesus is Jehovah now, and added a caveat of not being DOGMATIC about it, cornelboy go start to the shift goalpost from left to center to right like alignment for Microsoft word.



You will see the materials soon.

cornelboy:
Lol tctrills, i didn't insult you. Well if call that insult, no vex.

I didn't read jw publications before i knew Jesus was the one communicating directly with the Israelites. He's always been YHWH's spokesman.

tctrills:
You should know that and differ times, in that same bible we use. Different people have been called God.
Man has been called God.
Jesus Christ has been called God.
Our heavenly Father has been called God.
We do not worship man or other Gods. We worship Jesus Christ and our Heavenly Father.

Alright we don't worship man but man is God right? No wahala

Which verse of the Bible tells us man can't be worship but Jesus should be worship?

Is Jesus the same God as "our heavenly Father"?

Because man was called God, does that make him equal to God the Father?

Jesus taught his disciples to worship the Father not himself.

Who's the heavenly Father according to 1 Corinthians 8:6 and John 17:3

tctrills:
Is Jesus a God? Yes
Is his father a God? Yes
So is the bible right in saying God would dwell with man ? Yes
Is Jesus and his Father the only God the bible spoke about? No.. The Bible also said we are Gods.
But even though we are Gods, we don't worship ever God. We worship Jesus Christ and Our Heavenly Father.

Like Jesus Christ, we are Gods because we are children of our Heavenly Father.
Everything I said is in the bible so what don't you understand.

tctrills:
The bible says ye are Gods. Isn't that enough to tell you that even humans can get to that state? If ye are Gods, have you asked, what qualifies one to be a God.
Philippians 2.5
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Psalm 82.5 Thus says the Lord, Ye are gods and children of the Most High.
These are not my words

John1.1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

These are not my words
These verses teach that Jesus is God and even man is God.
What more would I do to open your eyes that God isn't one person?