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Re: Why Is Gender Equality Not Respected In Marriage? by sholay2011(m): 2:22pm On Apr 25, 2022 |
odinson1:This is so apt. Wow...I hail oh. God bless you. |
Re: Why Is Gender Equality Not Respected In Marriage? by sholay2011(m): 2:25pm On Apr 25, 2022 |
Proton99:Well said! |
Re: Why Is Gender Equality Not Respected In Marriage? by Visasolution048: 2:25pm On Apr 25, 2022 |
dalass: I keep asking this question... Aside U.S and U.K where else do you people refer to, " as civilized world??". Since You have chosen to tag yourself "uncivilized." |
Re: Why Is Gender Equality Not Respected In Marriage? by Kobojunkie: 2:40pm On Apr 25, 2022 |
Cromagnon:I beg to differ! Unless your god is a giang cluster Bleep who lies to different groups of people or is a celestial case of dissociative identity disorder, I suggest you speak only of your own deity and leaves others to defining theirs for themselves. You and I obviously don't pray to the same God as my God does not teach what is gender inequality ideals. |
Re: Why Is Gender Equality Not Respected In Marriage? by dalass(f): 2:40pm On Apr 25, 2022 |
Visasolution048: You may consider consulting Google to see those nations that chose women as Prime minister, President, Vice president etc. I've not seen a female chairman or State governor despite the fact that we certainly have intelligent and competent people who can excel at such levels.,... Even on Nairaland, most of the topics on FP these days are..... My wife did this, my girlfriend did that, what should I do?... Pathetic! |
Re: Why Is Gender Equality Not Respected In Marriage? by IamV: 3:02pm On Apr 25, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: During humanitarian missions,women & kids are considered a major priority,but common sense demand everyone should be treated equally. The current war going on in Ukraine,women & children are allowed to leave the country, irrespective of their ages,but men [ under certain age grades ] are asked to stay back to protect their country. Common sense demand everyone should stay back & defend their country. It's on record,that females are generally given a lighter sentence than males,even when they commit the same crime. Common sense demands everyone should be treated equally, irrespective of gender. It's also on record,that the girl child & women have many NGO & even government ministries catering specifically to their needs,but not the same can be said for the boy child & men,in general. Common sense demands everyone should be treated equally. Now,I ask,it's it really about treating both genders equally ? In all honesty,the "system" was never about gender equality. |
Re: Why Is Gender Equality Not Respected In Marriage? by Cromagnon: 3:11pm On Apr 25, 2022 |
Kobojunkie:sure pumpkin Whatever helps you sleep at night |
Re: Why Is Gender Equality Not Respected In Marriage? by Kobojunkie: 3:12pm On Apr 25, 2022 |
Cromagnon:Again..You have to be more specific since almost 4000 religions out there each have their own . |
Re: Why Is Gender Equality Not Respected In Marriage? by Visasolution048: 3:19pm On Apr 25, 2022 |
dalass: If it's about countries giving opportunities to women. Nigeria does that...At least we've had a female speaker in NAS lower chamber. We have several female deputy governors...There are female military officers and also female police officers, and other paramilitaries ..there are several women heading ministries and agencies and several women in key positions... I don't know what you people want...Naturally, gender equality doesn't exist..because it's impossible...if it's possible women would have been asked to stay behind and fight Ukraine/Russian war...Anywhere in the world, men are seen as the superior gender. There are only two countries in this world that glorify abnormality and those are the countries Nigerians refer to as civilized. Becoming the president of Nigeria isn't given as a trophy, if a woman wants to rule Nigeria, let her Declare her interest to build followers... Lastly,, You don't have to term yourself "uncivilized" because your culture doesn't accommodate certain things... aside US and UK there are countries that still live their lives to cultures and traditions...And are doing perfectly well..E.g Japan... |
Re: Why Is Gender Equality Not Respected In Marriage? by jkuvira: 3:39pm On Apr 25, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: You use the word accuse so much it appears sketchy. Where exactly are you getting at with the word. Newton's Law of action and reaction, should I accuse him of formulating it when he actually did formulate it. You know where this is going to descend to and I'm not game. God did not lay down the standard of headship, fine. It's your choice. You have the agency to choose what you think is right, I think it's called freewill. Feel free to exercise it, as I've exercised mine. One thing I'd like for you to think about is - God making man the head of a home, is it faulty? Should he have made them co-equals? Ask yourself. And mind you, not being co-equals doesn't make one gender less worthy or more worthy of value before the eyes of God. God did not make women second class citizens cause if he did, they wouldn't even be made mention of. He himself spoke against men who dealt treacherously with thier wives. He is not to blame for the way some of mankind treat womankind, which I guess is one of the reasons that gave birth to this gender equality you're talking about. Tell the men to work on themself inside out, instead of deciding to wreck structure. You yourself have given such advice to men on this forum. Perhaps because you haven't delved page by page, with all humility and honesty into the Holy Book, that's why you think God could not have made such an institution that you make an accusation against Him. And if you think what the Holy Book says about where and when God instituted marriage, and furthermore the guides, principles and commands to govern it and make the house a home are false, feel free to argue with history. |
Re: Why Is Gender Equality Not Respected In Marriage? by Kobojunkie: 3:49pm On Apr 25, 2022 |
jkuvira:1. God never laid a standard of headship for men, so yes, you falsely accuse God in this. 2. God never made man the head of a home or any home. So, yet again, you falsely accuse God in this too. 3. Why do you want so bad to hold on to structure that God Himself does not approve of ? By the way, what advice to keep what structure do you accuse me of giving now? 4. First of all, the book ain't Holy unless you are hear and now declaring the words of Satan written in the same book also Holy by default. Such as institution as what? I have delved in the pages and found God instead cursed the institution and what is the inequality you see today along with all the structures you claim are all results of God's curse, also near the beginning. So, realize now why I keep saying you falsely accuse God in all of this? |
Re: Why Is Gender Equality Not Respected In Marriage? by jkuvira: 4:51pm On Apr 25, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: 1. God approved of a structure. Delve into the pages. 2. God made man the head of woman. So, if the two cohabit as a couple, who is the head? Delve into the pages and form a conclusion. 3. God does not approve of men who deal treacherously with thier women? Is it the same as assigning headship to the man. Besides in the absence of a man, a woman is her own head. In the absence of the father, the mother assumes headship, even though she has a male child. Delve into the pages. 4. Even the Holy Book clearly states that Satan utters inspired sayings. God cursed this institution. The same institution that is responsible for you being born? Or you dropped from the sky? Or you were born out of wedlock? I believe you can complete the sentence. No diss intended. Should I start digging up your comments and POV's and attach scriptures that back them up. I won't. Read through the pages of the holy books yourself. It doesn't have to be the whole cause it could take a whole lot of time. The sections that touch on marital dealings, you'll see your thoughts there. You will know and realize that on the basis of precedence, the Holy Books uttered then first, at least 19 centuries before you came into being. However, I want to ask. What structure did God approve of? |
Re: Why Is Gender Equality Not Respected In Marriage? by Kobojunkie: 4:55pm On Apr 25, 2022 |
jkuvira:God's original plan, the same plan He sent Jesus Christ to restore in the lives of those who will accept and obey Him, is that of equality in life and in marriage for all. |
Re: Why Is Gender Equality Not Respected In Marriage? by jkuvira: 5:34pm On Apr 25, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: I guess you're pointing fingers at the old testament because it was the first to state the duties and privilege of the man and woman in a marriage. Perhaps you're confusing something. All humans have the same value, worth and are equal before God. A man is his own head,likewise a woman is her own head as she handles decisions for herself, even when in her father's house. She decides to make a vow to God today, I assure you it would be deemed authentic. Well, Christ re-established monogamy. Why? A good number of the people of Israel were given in to polygamous lifestyle and maltreatment of thier women. The Old Testament decried it. The New Testament did the same. Did instituting monogamy make the couple co-heads? No. Corinthians and Ephesians clarifies this question. Perhaps because it wasn't Christ who uttered those words, it might not seat well with you. However, don't forget that Ephesians and Corinthians are a part of the New Testament. Also , keep it in mind that the person who wrote Ephesians had a direct contact with Christ, after Christ had ascended to heaven. |
Re: Why Is Gender Equality Not Respected In Marriage? by Kobojunkie: 5:45pm On Apr 25, 2022 |
jkuvira:1. I don't know what you are talking about. Where exactly is this found in the Old Testament? 2. Jesus Christ never established monogamy. He never changed God's Law as far as marriage is concerned. 3. Again, Jesus Christ never instituted monogamy and He did not change any of God's Law to far as marriage is concerned. Instead, Jesus Christ came to redeem/save men from God's curse as written of in Genesis 3 vs 16 - 22, so that those who submit to Jesus Christ instead of the curse can enter again into the presence of God - God's Heaven. Also, Corinthians and Ephesians both quote from God's curse on marriage, a curse which Jesus Christ came to redeem His followers from. And we both know that nothing that it is impossible to submit to God and that which is unholy at the same time. |
Re: Why Is Gender Equality Not Respected In Marriage? by dalass(f): 5:46pm On Apr 25, 2022 |
Visasolution048: Please do yourself a favour... Shove your 'superiority' mindset inside your a$$ |
Re: Why Is Gender Equality Not Respected In Marriage? by jkuvira: 5:46pm On Apr 25, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: I am waiting on your reply to the 4 out of the 5 questions raised. And I am also waiting on your response on the need to decry the laws and postulates and principles we know academically. |
Re: Why Is Gender Equality Not Respected In Marriage? by Kobojunkie: 5:51pm On Apr 25, 2022 |
jkuvira:If these laws and postulates and principles you cling to are based on God's curse aka judgement against sin, then what it means is that these laws and principles you hold to are just as unholy to God as the curse is to God. |
Re: Why Is Gender Equality Not Respected In Marriage? by jkuvira: 5:52pm On Apr 25, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: You need to do some homework, a little reading should suffice so you can speak with solid authority henceforth. And I said re-established not establish. A man will leave his father and mother and stick to his wife and they will become one flesh, is this monogamy or polygamy? Genesis and Matthew made this same exact statements. And you said God cursed marriage. That is a joke of the century. Read the Holy Book on what God cursed. And if he cursed marriage as you claim, isn't it so funny that the woman who birthed his son was soon to be married. The woman who birthed his son on earth was born from a marriage, an institution God himself cursed. Are you saying God is fighting against himself. |
Re: Why Is Gender Equality Not Respected In Marriage? by jkuvira: 5:56pm On Apr 25, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: Inasmuch as you agree with just one those postulates and sayings and principles that I mentioned, including the ones I did not, of which they are at smallest 4 centuries older than you some up to 2 millennia, I find it ridiculous that you label a curse, an institution God sets millennials ago. What makes you any different from me. And it's of no use saying you do not agree with any of the principles and postulates and sayings. I know you do. |
Re: Why Is Gender Equality Not Respected In Marriage? by Kobojunkie: 6:00pm On Apr 25, 2022 |
jkuvira:1. I asked you tell me where in the OT your claims come from, didn't I? This since God never did any of what you claim.. 2. What God defined in Genesis 2 vs 24, the same Las repeated in Matthew, Mark and Luke by Jesus Christ, defines what is the unit of marriage as stipulated by God. God didn't indicate any duties or privileges for men or women by His declaration as far as marriage is concerned. And that very same law allowed for a man/woman to enter into more than one marriage as is seen in the Old Testament, same as it does every to this day. Jesus Christ never changed God's Law as stipulated in Genesis 2 vs 24 . |
Re: Why Is Gender Equality Not Respected In Marriage? by Kobojunkie: 6:03pm On Apr 25, 2022 |
jkuvira:1. I didn't label it a curse, God did that. Marriage, according to Genesis 2 vs 24 is simply an agreement between a man and woman to become husband and wife(marriage). The very same husband and wife on whom the curse in Genesis 3 vs 16 is placed on by God.. You(wife) will want your husband very much,Implicated are the very same husband and wife(one) that is a marriage. God didn't place that curse on single women or single men, but on men and women in marriage(husband and wife) .I.e. on marriage itself. |
Re: Why Is Gender Equality Not Respected In Marriage? by jkuvira: 6:08pm On Apr 25, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: If only you know what the Holy Book said about the bolded. And if he approved of polygamy and polyandry, why did Genesis and Matthew speak of one man, one woman, one flesh. Perhaps you choose to be blind to reason, or you do not want to humble yourself to read the Holy Book in all honesty and see the errors in what your uttering. Go ahead and do what suits you. Marry 10 wives and let the wives you marry have 9 husband's added to you each. If there's anything you benefit from him, it's the freewill he have you, and he has no biz what how you use it. |
Re: Why Is Gender Equality Not Respected In Marriage? by Visasolution048: 6:09pm On Apr 25, 2022 |
dalass: Please do yourself a favor, wake up to reality... I repeat stop tagging yourself "uncivilized" because your culture doesn't accommodate anomalies. Everybody lives according to costume and values. Non is superior to the other..Unless for Dumb Africans... |
Re: Why Is Gender Equality Not Respected In Marriage? by Kobojunkie: 6:11pm On Apr 25, 2022 |
jkuvira:1. Yes, God did in Genesis 3 vs 16 - 22. And just as that same curse rendered man unholy, so also it rendered marriage unholy. Marriage, according to Genesis 2 vs 24 is simply an agreement between a man and woman to become husband and wife(marriage). The very same husband and wife on whom the curse in Genesis 3 vs 16 is placed on by God.. You(wife) will want your husband very much,Implicated are the very same husband and wife(one) that is a marriage. God didn't place that curse on single women or single men, but on men and women in marriage(husband and wife) .I.e. on marriage itself. 2. That boy had to live His life in continous submission and obedience to God's Law in order to attain God's righteousness by God's Law, same as He continues to command that we all do in order that we might also be redeemed from God's curse. |
Re: Why Is Gender Equality Not Respected In Marriage? by jkuvira: 6:14pm On Apr 25, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: So God placed a curse on Mary's parents, whose child was the vessel that birthed Christ. Do you see the sense in what you're saying. Do you see the lack of logic in what you're typing. God did not place a curse on single people but he encouraged the said single people to go into marriage. Keeping on cursing what caused your being. |
Re: Why Is Gender Equality Not Respected In Marriage? by jkuvira: 6:16pm On Apr 25, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: You did not answer my question. Stop going through the back door. |
Re: Why Is Gender Equality Not Respected In Marriage? by Kobojunkie: 6:23pm On Apr 25, 2022 |
jkuvira:1. Again, Genesis 2 vs 24, and Matthew 19 where Jesus Christ refers back to what is written in Genesis, speaks of a marriage(unit) as consisting of a man and a woman in union. What God never did by this Law was stipulate that a man/woman can only marry one partner at a time. The same God allowed many wives to His people, never penalizing them since He never limited them to just one marriage to begin with. 2. LOL... open your eyes to what is in fact written as opposed to the pushing ideas that are unsubstantiated by what is written as stated by God Himself. 3. God is not out to penalize you when you have not committed sin against Him. |
Re: Why Is Gender Equality Not Respected In Marriage? by Kobojunkie: 6:30pm On Apr 25, 2022 |
jkuvira:1. LOL..... God's curse as written in Genesis 3 vs 16 - 22 is without exception. Every man born into this world is born unholy from birth. 2. Who told you God did not place a curse on single persons? And where do you get that God encouraged single people to go into marriage? Did you not read in Matthew 19 vs 11 - 12 that the same God created some Eunuchs from birth, allowed some to be made Eunuchs in this life and permitted others to live as Eunuchs for the sake of His Kingdom? |
Re: Why Is Gender Equality Not Respected In Marriage? by jkuvira: 6:32pm On Apr 25, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: 2. Read your comments above. Also I do not understand your use of emojis in replying me. Why do you have to hide behind a facade of mockery of you were so sure of what your saying. No need for the emojis to do the talking for you after the words you typed. If you've been so sure of yourself you would not have began adding those to your replies. In addition, stop contradicting yourself. And learn to follow a thread of reasoning instead of dumping it when it is working for you again, that's not how you have a meaningful discussion. |
Re: Why Is Gender Equality Not Respected In Marriage? by Kobojunkie: 6:33pm On Apr 25, 2022 |
jkuvira:I answered your questions in detail. Only you don't seem particularly pleased with the answer instead.. |
Re: Why Is Gender Equality Not Respected In Marriage? by Kobojunkie: 6:37pm On Apr 25, 2022 |
jkuvira:1. Open your eyes and mind so you can clearly comprehend what is being said to you. In the very same context of Genesis 3 vs 16, God also placed a curse on woman(irrespective of marital status) in child pregnancy and childbirth. Yes, the same God who commanded, "Be fruitful and multiply" in Genesis 1 vs 28, in Genesis 3 vs 16a cursed childbearing, so that every child born into this world is born via God's curse. 16 Then God said to the woman,Can that which is born of God's curse be of God's blessing? God cursed everyone born into this world as a result of the above(and all the other curses in the context of Genesis 3 vs 16 - 22). 2. My emojis as my thing. They are sort of markers to guide my sight through my statements . 3. Point to the contradictions - I challenge you. |
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