bot101:


This is not a stats discussion, stopattemting to divert the discussion to something that it isn't about. Do your Imams and top respected Muslims not support the murder of Innocent Deborah or not??

It is in their training to deflect the discussion from the matter at hand, but I am ready for him. Let the self-acclaimed data analyst carry out a simple exercise to verify what everyone has said against this murder... that one is still dodging.

I pity all black muslims because even the religion regards them as slaves by mere colour of their skin. The mental slavery is so powerful it binds them for generations. Imagine a young nigerian student killling his fellow student because of an arab paedophile called mohammed that died many years ago.

If you are a muslim (especially from Nigeria) that feels offended by my second paragraph, something is definitely wrong with you in the head.

fkj950ax:


Please STFU if you are ignorant about issues.
Now it's them vs you. Your fellow country men
Now it's northern Muslim vs southern Muslims. Your fellow faith members.

Please don't deny or try to water down extremism in Islam. In Lagos, an Islamic school was teaching the children attending Sunday Arabic studies " the injustice of Israel and the duty of every muslim"
These were 8 to 12 year olds. My car broke down and we were fixing it infront of the Arabic school.

Please don't use a blood soaked paint brush to paint northern Christians.

Please leave Adeyinka90. He was taught the yoruba version of Islam which is thoroughly watered down. It is because of this their watered down teachings that fulanis do not rate them. That's why fulanis will never attend a mosque chaired by a Yoruba Imam. To them, the Yorubas are infidels. So leave him, he doesn't even know that he's an infidel to the people he's defending.

legionISproteus:


Oga, you are here to defend Islam so keep quiet. When someone speaks against the barbaric behaviour your fellow worshippers exhibit, even at the expense of human lives, you faux enlightened muslims crawl out of the woodwork to defend it. Have you ever gone to the mosque, or discussed with your muslim neighbours against killing another human being in the name of your god? NO! Because you are afraid of them, you are afraid they will report you to another group who will gang up and murder you. What kind of sickness is this thing you call a religion? You cannot even openly declare that you no longer wish to worship mohammed because that your friend who is a muslim will murder you and nothing will happen. In fact this friend will be praised for killing an islamic apostate.

Have you even bothered to check what I said? if you don't have a twitter or facebook account, at least nairaland is here for your data collection abi you no longer know how to deal with data? I HAVE STATED IT IN MY PREVIOUS POSTS, IF YOU SHOW YOUR 2 BILLION MUSLIMS THIS STORY OF DEBORAH'S MURDER, MORE THAN HALF OF THEM WILL SUPPORT THESE ASSASSINS, THAT IS OVER 1 BILLION CRIMINALS HIDING IN THE NAME OF RELIGION TO END SOMEONE'S LIFE. Now, do your own bit and prove me wrong. You have refused. Are you afraid that I am right? Don't even go far, make e no be like say I dey give you too much work. Sample the responses by muslims on this thread alone if more than half of them are not in support of poor Deborah's death.

I live abroad and my work takes me to Saudi, Indonesia, Malaysia and India quite often, if you can't prove the 1 billion muslims supporting terrorism then I suggest you keep shut and stop embarrassing yourself. It is only in Northern Nigeria that you constantly hear about these senseless killings. So your problem is not Islam, it is the fact that your government does not give a damn about your life, it is the fact that your government allows religious law to supercede the Nigerian Constitution. So once again, I am not going to defend Islam, there is no need, it can defend itself. Tell your governemnt to protect you, tell your government to find the perps and demand justice.

When last did you hear Muslims in the South killing Christians? Abi there are no Muslims in the South? This once again proves the stupidity of your argument. I can't be responsible for the actions of every Muslim, just like I don't expect you to be responsible for every actions of your family members.....Don't come at me with such tomfoolery!

Saxxon:


Please leave Adeyinka90. He was taught the yoruba version of Islam which is thoroughly watered down. It is because of this their watered down teachings that fulanis do not rate them. That's why fulanis will never attend a mosque chaired by a Yoruba Imam. To them, the Yorubas are infidels. So leave him, he doesn't even know that he's an infidel to the people he's defending.

and the fulani, hausa and other black muslims are seen as subhumans to the arabians that founded the religion! This food chain get as e be.

Haakeem:
but prophet muhammad condemed the act.

Highest they should have done is to warn her publicly.

Those that are involved are disbelivers and they need to repent.

Your prophet Mohammad never condemned it. Mohammad in his early days preached peace. This was at a time when he was still trying to convince people of his priesthood. When every effort failed, he gathered an army with the money he inherited from the rich women he married, returned to Mecca, and destroyed polytheism using brute force. That was when his teachings became crude and hostile. Even when one of his followers confronted him saying that he's contradicting himself with his new teaching, he introduced something called "LAW OF ABROGATION". That law makes it clear that his new teachings render the old ones null and void. Meaning that all those peaceful teachings you guys usually cite, those teachings which made at the beginning of his life, are all void. Can you remember how he adored the jews at the beginning? How did that end?? Now, tell me, which one do muslims today act upon?

You obviously don't know NOTHING about your religion.

abbey621:


I live abroad and my work takes me to Saudi, Indonesia, Malaysia and India quite often, if you can't prove the 1 billion muslims supporting terrorism then I suggest you keep shut and stop embarrassing yourself. It is only in Northern Nigeria that you constantly hear about these senseless killings. So your problem is not Islam, it is the fact that your government does not give a damn about your life, it is the fact that your government allows religious law to supercede the Nigerian Constitution. So once again, I am not going to defend Islam, there is no need, it can defend itself. Tell your governemnt to protect you, tell your government to find the perps and demand justice.

When last did you hear Muslims in the South killing Christians? Abi there are no Muslims in the South? This once again proves the stupidity of your argument. I can't be responsible for the actions of every Muslim, just like I don't expect you to be responsible for every actions of your family members.....Don't come at me with such tomfoolery!

The proof is in this thread but you have blatantly refused to put your self-acclaimed data analyst skills to good use. I don't give a damn if you worked in the moon or Venus, I can tell when someone is defending a sinister act when I see one.

Tell me now, if you decide to stop worshipping mohammed today, can you go to your muslim friends and announce your decision?

I do not blame you because you did not choose to be born into a muslim home. I always feel pity for black muslims when they mindlessly murder themselves because of some islamic teaching and another group (like the one you belong to ) comes up to defend the act. This is generational subjugation in perfection. I can bet you force your children to read the hadith and whatever religious text you were forced to read while growing up. This is why the problem never ends. You are made to perpetuate this barbaric acts in your family and tribe and it seen as a noble act in the eyes of the arabian man's god whom you worship.

legionISproteus:
The proof is in this thread but you have blatantly refused to put your self-acclaimed data analyst skills to good use. I don't give a damn if you worked in the moon or Venus, I can tell when someone is defending a sinister act when I see one.

Tell me now, if you decide to stop worshipping mohammed today, can you go to your muslim friends and announce your decision?

I do not blame you because you did not choose to be born into a muslim home. I always feel pity for black muslims when they mindlessly murder themselves because of some islamic teaching and another group (like the one you belong to ) comes up to defend the act. This is generational subjugation in perfection. I can bet you force your children to read the hadith and whatever religious text you were forced to read while growing up. This is why the problem never ends. You are made to perpetuate this barbaric acts in your family and tribe and it seen as a noble act in the eyes of the arabian man's god whom you worship.

Like I said previously, stop your tomfoolery, you don't deserve the dignity of an intellectual discussion.....FAREWELL!

abbey621:


I live abroad and my work takes me to Saudi, Indonesia, Malaysia and India quite often, if you can't prove the 1 billion muslims supporting terrorism then I suggest you keep shut and stop embarrassing yourself. It is only in Northern Nigeria that you constantly hear about these senseless killings. So your problem is not Islam, it is the fact that your government does not give a damn about your life, it is the fact that your government allows religious law to supercede the Nigerian Constitution. So once again, I am not going to defend Islam, there is no need, it can defend itself. Tell your governemnt to protect you, tell your government to find the perps and demand justice.

When last did you hear Muslims in the South killing Christians? Abi there are no Muslims in the South? This once again proves the stupidity of your argument. I can't be responsible for the actions of every Muslim, just like I don't expect you to be responsible for every actions of your family members.....Don't come at me with such tomfoolery!

Bros, I suggest you keep shut if you can't use the brain that God gave you. "Civilized muslims" is how the Arabs would love to describe themselves and they do a pretty darn good job at it. Have you forgotten that in this same UAE, women aren't allowed to vote, own/drive cars, or even walk around alone without supervision? The Arabs live by very strict sharia law. The only difference is that they make it look legitimate by institutionalizing those laws in their courts. An offender is taken to court where if proven to be a blasphemer or apostate, said offender will be sentenced to death. What then is the difference? Is it the fact that Deborah wasn't first sentenced to court before being killed? Isn't she still going to be killed of tried in an Islamic court? Dubai man, I'm waiting for your answer.

abbey621:


Like I said previously, stop your tomfoolery, you don't deserve the dignity of an intellectual discussion.....FAREWELL!

Why should I be discussing with someone who supports the murder of another human being that was killed in the name of another man's god? What ounce of intellect will come out from such discourse?

You are incapable of having an intellectual discussion

legionISproteus:
The proof is in this thread but you have blatantly refused to put your self-acclaimed data analyst skills to good use. I don't give a damn if you worked in the moon or Venus, I can tell when someone is defending a sinister act when I see one.

Tell me now, if you decide to stop worshipping mohammed today, can you go to your muslim friends and announce your decision?

I do not blame you because you did not choose to be born into a muslim home. I always feel pity for black muslims when they mindlessly murder themselves because of some islamic teaching and another group (like the one you belong to ) comes up to defend the act. This is generational subjugation in perfection. I can bet you force your children to read the hadith and whatever religious text you were forced to read while growing up. This is why the problem never ends. You are made to perpetuate this barbaric acts in your family and tribe and it seen as a noble act in the eyes of the arabian man's god whom you worship.

Dem no born am well, if he dares denounce Islam they will slit his throat.

Saxxon:


Dem no born am well, if he dares denounce Islam they will slit his throat.

yet abbey621 is defending the religion that supports such carnage. He is only a muslim because he is afraid for his life.

Saxxon:


Bros, I suggest you keep shut if you can't use the brain that God gave you. "Civilized muslims" is how the Arabs would love to describe themselves and they do a pretty darn good job at it.[b] Have you forgotten that in this same UAE, women aren't allowed to vote, own/drive cars, or even walk around alone without supervision? [/b]The Arabs live by very strict sharia law. The only difference is that they make it look legitimate by institutionalizing those laws in their courts. An offender is taken to court where if proven to be a blasphemer or apostate, said offender will be sentenced to death. What then is the difference? Is it the fact that Deborah wasn't first sentenced to court before being killed? Isn't she still going to be killed of tried in an Islamic court? Dubai man, I'm waiting for your answer.

I think your brain is faulty, are we discussing social rights here or the value of human life? Do you think if Deborah was sent to court and the court sentenced her to death after evidences were presented, do you there would be as much outrage? Sharia law exists in the North, your Nigerian government allowed it hence it was the proper course of action not the needless senseless jungle justice. If you have a problem with how Northerners have chosen to be ruled, speak to your government about it. Whether it is Islam, whether it is someone that stole something or kidnapped a child, I am against jungle justice. I am against people getting judged without due process, the rest of your argument na for your own pocket!

Aboki99:


Actually it is written that he's not the father of anyone. He is beyond a father to us

He's not a father to you (Muslims) but rather a slaves master


Case close

Antilslaam:


He's not a father to you (Muslims) but rather a slaves master


Case close

You are absolutely right. The prophet is our master. He is our authority. Our judge, our saviour.

advocatejare:

If greatness is not by raising the dead why then are you saying that no pastors can raise a dead?

To show that only God can create human

advocatejare:

Did Muhammad practice Islam or culture when he sent killers to go and kill Ka’b?

Seriously, I don't know where y'all get all these stories

Saxxon:

Please leave Adeyinka90. He was taught the yoruba version of Islam which is thoroughly watered down. It is because of this their watered down teachings that fulanis do not rate them. That's why fulanis will never attend a mosque chaired by a Yoruba Imam. To them, the Yorubas are infidels. So leave him, he doesn't even know that he's an infidel to the people he's defending.

There is no Yoruba version of Islam. You and/or they are all Muslims. This is not the time to divide and rule.
And you are totally out of line calling him an infidel. You need to apologize to him.
There is nothing wrong with any version of Islam. Iran and Saudi have different types. Indian and French Muslims have different forms.
No Muslim should kill anybody whether it’s a Yoruba Muslim or a Hausa Muslim because of their belief.

AntiChristian:
Anyone who is guilty of blasphemy should be arrested and tried in a competent court.

Islam doesn't permit jungle justice.

The perpetrators should be brought to justice.

Why would you burn people like that?

So wrong!!

And Christians should also mind their uterances especially in those regions. Tolerance should be two ways!

There's no pastor that can raise a burnt corpse today!

We Muslims are fast becoming the major blasphemers of other religions today, so many Muslims make unacceptable statement about other people's religion and the scholars are not doing much about it, everybody loves his/her religion so dearly as such respect must be mutual.

Topzee109:


Seriously, I don't know where y'all get all these stories

I gave you the references, stop feigning ignorance!

Do you want to claim that you don’t know what Sahih Bukhari means?

Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah: Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?" The Prophet said, "Yes,”" Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, "You may say it."[/b] Then Muhammad bin Maslama went to Kab and said, "That man (i.e. Muhammad demands Sadaqa (i.e. Zakat) from us, and he has troubled us, and I have come to borrow something from you." On that, Kab said, "By Allah, you will get tired of him!" Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Now as we have followed him, we do not want to leave him unless and until we see how his end is going to be. Now we want you to lend us a camel load or two of food." ....
Then he requested Ka'b again, "Will you let me (smell your head)?" Ka'b said, "Yes." When Muhammad got a strong hold of him, he said (to his companions), "Get at him!" So they
killed him and went to the Prophet and informed him. (Abu Rafi) was killed after Ka'b bin Al- Ashraf."
-Sahih Bukhari 5:59:369 or Sahih Bukhari 4037

Topzee109:

To show that only God can create human

So anyone that raised the dead is God ?

Aboki99:


You are absolutely right. The prophet is our master. He is our authority. Our judge, our saviour.

Why did you removed the slaves part of it, are you not happy to be slave? Are you happy that allah is the manufacturer of slaves?

Moreso, where did you read it in Quran that muhammad is your saviour as the authors of Quran affirms Jesus Christ as your Messiah?

advocatejare:

I gave you the references, stop feigning ignorance!

Do you want to claim that you don’t know what Sahih Bukhari means?

Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah: Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?" The Prophet said, "Yes,”" Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, "You may say it."[/b] Then Muhammad bin Maslama went to Kab and said, "That man (i.e. Muhammad demands Sadaqa (i.e. Zakat) from us, and he has troubled us, and I have come to borrow something from you." On that, Kab said, "By Allah, you will get tired of him!" Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Now as we have followed him, we do not want to leave him unless and until we see how his end is going to be. Now we want you to lend us a camel load or two of food." ....
Then he requested Ka'b again, "Will you let me (smell your head)?" Ka'b said, "Yes." When Muhammad got a strong hold of him, he said (to his companions), "Get at him!" So they
killed him and went to the Prophet and informed him. (Abu Rafi) was killed after Ka'b bin Al- Ashraf."
-Sahih Bukhari 5:59:369 or Sahih Bukhari 4037

He wants to kill an enemy not innocent

During those time fought wars where enemies attack them, so how's that a crime

Even in your Bible many prophet killed and fought wars

Topzee109:

He wants to kill an enemy not innocent

During those time fought wars where enemies attack them, so how's that a crime

Stop lying, the man Ka’b didn’t fight Muhammad, he only used poem to insult him. So muhammad sent killer to him because of insults, which is the same thing those Muslims in sokoto did. They followed the footsteps of Muhammad!

advocatejare:

Stop lying, the man Ka’b didn’t fight Muhammad, he only used poem to insult him. So muhammad sent killer to him because of insults, which is the same thing those Muslims in sokoto did. They followed the footsteps of Muhammad!

No something already happened, either he is an enemy or he has previously waged war in them

Topzee109:


No something already happened, either he is an enemy or he has previously waged war in them

Stop lying. He never waged any war against Muhammad, if he did then show us the evidence!

Topzee109:

He wants to kill an enemy not innocent

During those time fought wars where enemies attack them, so how's that a crime

Even in your Bible many prophet killed and fought wars

Is like you Muslims has a special school where they gather you and teach you how to lies and falsely defend the atrocities or crimes of muhammad

RightChannel:


Is like you Muslims has a special school where they gather you and teach you how to lies and falsely defend the atrocities or crimes of muhammad

Proove me wrong, else, this is bullshit

Topzee109:

Proove me wrong, else, this is bullshit

You mean Muhammad never killed anyone that insulted him?

Topzee109:

Proove me wrong, else, this is bullshit

Muhammad killed Abu Rafi' ibn Abi Al-Huqaiq for mocking him with his poetry and for helping the troops of the Confederates by providing them with money and supplies



Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) sent a group of Ansari men to kill Abu-Rafi`. One of them set out and entered their (i.e. the enemies) fort. That man said, "I hid myself in a stable for their animals. They closed the fort gate. Later they lost a donkey of theirs, so they went out in its search. I, too, went out along with them, pretending to look for it. They found the donkey and entered their fort. And I, too, entered along with them. They closed the gate of the fort at night, and kept its keys in a small window where I could see them. When those people slept, I took the keys and opened the gate of the fort and came upon Abu Rafi` and said, 'O Abu Rafi`. When he replied me, I proceeded towards the voice and hit him. He shouted and I came out to come back, pretending to be a helper. I said, 'O Abu Rafi`, changing the tone of my voice. He asked me, 'What do you want; woe to your mother?' I asked him, 'What has happened to you?' He said, 'I don't know who came to me and hit me.' Then I drove my sword into his belly and pushed it forcibly till it touched the bone. Then I came out, filled with puzzlement and went towards a ladder of theirs in order to get down but I fell down and sprained my foot. I came to my companions and said, 'I will not leave till I hear the wailing of the women.' So, I did not leave till I heard the women bewailing Abu Rafi`, the merchant pf Hijaz. Then I got up, feeling no ailment, (and we proceeded) till we came upon the Prophet (ﷺ) and informed him."


Collection
Sahih Bukhari

Dar-us-Salam reference
Hadith 3022

In-book reference
Book 56, Hadith 231

USC-MSA web (English) reference
Volume 4, Book 52, Hadith 264

abbey621:


What do you mean it is not a stats discussion, you made the claim, why can't you back it up? This only goes to show that you think with your mouth and not your brain. How can we discuss intellectually when you predicated your claim on false data? LMAO.....you didn't expect someone to call you out on your Bullshit did you?

I don't have time for bullshit discussions. The simple fact that Sanusi was once CBN governor and Patanmi is a Minister today validates my argument. Did you see your chief imam's statement? That you are posturing and trying to divert from Deborah's murder also validates my assertion. The whole world knows your hypocrisy, has called it out, but you and your ilk defend it nevertheless! Try all you can, you are a murderer like those who killed Deborah's as long as you do not outrightly condemn her murder. She was defenceless and innocent, and you killed her for a dead Arab man, and think you are sane.

Topzee109:


Then go after him, blasphemy is a crime either you like it or not, we should tolerate others religion

It's more like hate speech



I could remember CAN condemning and sueing sterling Bank for blasphemy because of their Easter advert

But no Muslim was killed!

No branch of sterling Bank recieved just threat not to talk of burning it down

No staff of sterling Bank was ever stoned

Deborah never insulted Muhhamed SAW (Sex Award Winner) but only condemned act of posting religious thing on WhatsApp group meant for academic purposes

Islamabad

bot101:


I don't have time for bullshit discussions. The simple fact that Sanusi was once CBN governor and Patanmi is a Minister today validates my argument. Did you see your chief imam's statement? That you are posturing and trying to divert from Deborah's murder also validates my assertion. The whole world knows your hypocrisy, has called it out, but you and your ilk defend it nevertheless! Try all you can, you are a murderer like those who killed Deborah's as long as you do not outrightly condemn her murder. She was defenceless and innocent, and you killed her for a dead Arab man, and think you are sane.

You're a bastaard, go back and read what I wrote and the numerous times I've condemned the people who did it. You want to pin it on Islam rather than your inept govenrment and the extremists views from the North. This is where we disagreed, stop spewing rubbish and GTFO!