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Honor Killing, Jungle Justice...not ISLAMIC! by Lukgaf(m): 10:52pm On May 12
Deborah Samuel, a female student of Shehu Shagari College of Education Sokoto State, was murdered in Sokoto for allegedly insulting Prophet Mohammed. What does Islam say about this type of killing? Is jungle justice or honor killing allowed in Islam? This thread clarifies.

In some countries, honor killing is the traditional practice of killing a family member who is believed to have disgraced the family. Equally, jungle justice can be defined as the capital punishment meted out by individuals without any legal authority on a suspected individual. There are many cases or killing or and other capital punishments that are done on the basis of accusations and speculation, without proving whether the immoral action even took place. Some were killed for the reason that they confessed that: “I killed him/her”, whereas the truth is that they are possessed by Jinn(s). Some have killed their parents in this regards, Subhanallah!

Self-defense is allowed in Islam but it should not be misunderstood for jungle justice. Protecting oneself and one’s honor (like in the case of rape), mind, wealth and religion is a well-established basic principle in Islam. If a person or a vicious animal etc. attacks him, he has to defend himself, or his family or his property, and if he is killed he is counted as a martyr, and the killer will be in Hell - Narrated by Muslim (140).

It was narrated that Sa’eed ibn Zayd sallallahu ‘alayhi wasalam said: The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “The one who is killed defending his wealth is a martyr, the one who is killed defending his family is a martyr, the one who is killed defending his religion is a martyr, and the one who is killed defending his life is a martyr.” Narrated by al-Tirmidhi (1421), al-Nasaa’i (4095), Abu Dawood (4772); classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Irwa’ al-Ghaleel (708) al-Nasaa’i (4081) and classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Nasaa’I, Majmoo’ al-Fataawa (28/540, 541), al-Rawd al-Murabbi’ (p. 677), Al-Mulakhkhas al-Fiqhi (2/443), Majmoo’ Fataawa Ibn Ibraaheem (11/255, 256).

In Islam, to slap someone’s face and beaten one more that 10 lashes are not allowed except in the case of hadd (capital punishment) approved by the authority (al-Bukhari, al-Fatih, 5/215, Qadaaya al-Lahw wa’l-Tarfeeh p.373, al-Bukhari 6456 and Muslim 3222). Hence, what is harsher cannot be allowed. Ibn Muflih al-Hanbali (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in al-Furoo’ (6/53): It is haraam for anyone to carry out a hadd punishment except the ruler or his deputy. This is something on which the fuqaha’ of Islam are unanimously agreed, as was stated in al-Mawsoo’ah al-Fiqhiyyah (5/280): The fuqaha’ are unanimously agreed that the one who should carry out hadd punishments is the ruler or his deputy, whether the punishment is transgressing one of the limits of Allah, may He be exalted, such as zina, or a transgression against another person, such as slander.

The scholars of the Standing Committee said: The one whose job it is to establish proof of witchcraft and carry out those punishments is the ruler who is in charge of the Muslims’ affairs to ward off evil and close the door to chaos. Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah (1/552). Shaykh Sulaymaan al-‘Alwaan: Once proven that a person is guilty of practicing magic, he must be killed. This was proven from a group of the Sahaabah, but it is not for individuals to carry out this hadd punishment without the command of the ruler or his deputy, because carrying out the hadd punishments without the authority of the ruler may lead to mischief, and destroy any sense of security in the society, and undermine the position of the ruler. And other related scholarly views reference includes: Tafseer al-Qurtubi, 2/245, 246, Bidaayat al-Mujtahid, 2/233, Nayl al-Awtaar, 7/295, 296, Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, 34/177-178.

My brethren! Refer cases to the relevant authorities, don’t participate in jungle justice act(s) and guide against it.

May Allah grant us understanding of His religion.

Fiqh class

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Re: Honor Killing, Jungle Justice...not ISLAMIC! by LordReed(m): 5:50am On May 13
Lukgaf:
Deborah Samuel, a female student of Shehu Shagari College of Education Sokoto State, was murdered in Sokoto for allegedly insulting Prophet Mohammed. What does Islam say about this type of killing? Is jungle justice or honor killing allowed in Islam? This thread clarifies.



Fiqh class

I listen to the purported voice note from the lady, I don't understand hausa but I didn't hear the words Islam or Mohammed in it. What did she say the was so egregious it was interpreted as an insult to Mohammed?

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Re: Honor Killing, Jungle Justice...not ISLAMIC! by AntiChristian: 6:37am On May 13
Anyone who is guilty of blasphemy should be arrested and tried in a competent court.

Islam doesn't permit jungle justice.

The perpetrators should be brought to justice.

Why would you burn people like that?

So wrong!!

And Christians should also mind their uterances especially in those regions. Tolerance should be two ways!

There's no pastor that can raise a burnt corpse today!

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Re: Honor Killing, Jungle Justice...not ISLAMIC! by Breadandpeppers(f): 11:35am On May 13
AntiChristian:
Anyone who is guilty of blasphemy should be arrested and tried in a competent court.

Islam doesn't permit jungle justice.

The perpetrators should be brought to justice.

Why would you burn people like that?

So wrong!!

And Christians should also mind their uterances especially in those regions. Tolerance should be two ways!

There's no pastor that can raise a burnt corpse today!
Why would someone be arrested for blasphemy.. is Islam the only religion in the world what is wrong with you guys self?

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Re: Honor Killing, Jungle Justice...not ISLAMIC! by advocatejare(m): 12:34pm On May 13
Lukgaf:
Deborah Samuel, a female student of Shehu Shagari College of Education Sokoto State, was murdered in Sokoto for allegedly insulting Prophet Mohammed. What does Islam say about this type of killing? Is jungle justice or honor killing allowed in Islam? This thread clarifies.



Fiqh class
Stop lying to us.

In your hadith, someone insulted Muhammad, Muhammad claimed that he and Allah were hurt by the insult and Muhammad sent his followers to go and kill the one that insulted him and Allah.


So Muslims doing the same today are only following the footsteps of Muhammad!


Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah: Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?" The Prophet said, "Yes,”" Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, "You may say it."[/b] Then Muhammad bin Maslama went to Kab and said, "That man (i.e. Muhammad demands Sadaqa (i.e. Zakat) from us, and he has troubled us, and I have come to borrow something from you." On that, Kab said, "By Allah, you will get tired of him!" Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Now as we have followed him, we do not want to leave him unless and until we see how his end is going to be. Now we want you to lend us a camel load or two of food." ....
Then he requested Ka'b again, "Will you let me (smell your head)?" Ka'b said, "Yes." When Muhammad got a strong hold of him, he said (to his companions), "Get at him!" So they
killed him and went to the Prophet and informed him. (Abu Rafi) was killed after Ka'b bin Al- Ashraf."

-Sahih Bukhari 5:59:369/
-Sahih al-Bukhari 4037

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Re: Honor Killing, Jungle Justice...not ISLAMIC! by advocatejare(m): 1:00pm On May 13
AntiChristian:
Anyone who is guilty of blasphemy should be arrested and tried in a competent court.

Islam doesn't permit jungle justice.

The perpetrators should be brought to justice.

Why would you burn people like that?

So wrong!!

And Christians should also mind their uterances especially in those regions. Tolerance should be two ways!

There's no pastor that can raise a burnt corpse today!
It’s the burning part that you didn’t like but you didn’t condemn the killing part because you know that Muhammad himself ordered someone that insulted him to be killed (Sahih al-Bukhari 4037)

Killing is permitted but burning is not permitted and that is your only concern right? But one of your rightly guided caliphas, Ali also burnt people. So killing people for their beliefs and burning them is part of Islam, don’t come and whitewash Islam for us!



Sahih al-Bukhari 6922
Narrated `Ikrima:
Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to `Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn `Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ), 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"

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Re: Honor Killing, Jungle Justice...not ISLAMIC! by Sweetplum(f): 2:24pm On May 13
Brb
Re: Honor Killing, Jungle Justice...not ISLAMIC! by Farid24224(m): 2:25pm On May 13
I knew it...I may not be the most knowledgeable in Islam but with the little knowledge I have..I knew it's never permissable in Islam!!

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Re: Honor Killing, Jungle Justice...not ISLAMIC! by legionISproteus: 2:25pm On May 13
WHAT?

Spirit247:
Glad to know many Muslims don't support the Wickedness that some do in the Name of fighting for God or Mohammed. Imagine if all the money ever Spent on Wars and Religious Battles was United Invest in Love by Humanity to Spread out to other Planets...That was the Orginal Aim of Our CREATOR, but Satan has been deceiving some with a Lie called Scarcity of Resources. Let Humanity Love one another, and very soon we shall Spread out to other Planets instead of being deceived to Think there is Limited Resources to be killing ourselves for. Like if you Agree, Share if Not.


THE PROBLEM IS THAT YOU SANE AND PROPERLY EDUCATED MUSLIMS ARE IN THE MINORITY OF MOHAMMED WORSHIPPERS AND YOU LIVE IN FEAR OF THE WRATH FROM THE MAJORITY OF YOU WHO ARE EXTREMISTS. THIS IS WHY YOU NEVER SPEAK UP. YOU ONLY COME OUT TO DEFEND ISLAM WHEN WE START CONDEMNING THE RELGION

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Re: Honor Killing, Jungle Justice...not ISLAMIC! by Antiislaam: 2:26pm On May 13
Advocatejare my lovely brother, thank you for that hadith. AntiChristian must you be lying everytime?

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Re: Honor Killing, Jungle Justice...not ISLAMIC! by oluwaseyi0: 2:27pm On May 13
@antichristian is your moniker not a blasphemy on Christian? Don't you think you deserve to be burnt too? Or other religions don't have right to be angry at your foul words


OP what you are doing here is taqqiya



Below pictures is the words of a professor and head of abuja national mosque

Are you more religious and verses than the head of a whole national mosques

The second picture is atiku condemning his social media handlers for twitting against the killing, just as atiku is against this nairaland op

The last crime of intolerance is you asking me to swear before commenting on what you use your hand to bring to front page

Why bring it to front page if it's for a certain sect alone? Why don't thread from sexuality section too make it to front page if not that it's meant only for people that are interested

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Re: Honor Killing, Jungle Justice...not ISLAMIC! by CheedyJ(m): 2:27pm On May 13
Una dey ment

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Re: Honor Killing, Jungle Justice...not ISLAMIC! by emeernest: 2:27pm On May 13
Hypocrites. Start by arresting & Hanging this Islamic Lunatic & all his fellow murderers ... angry

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Re: Honor Killing, Jungle Justice...not ISLAMIC! by Saxxon(m): 2:27pm On May 13
Christians should go and read up, find out the meaning of "Taquiyya". This OP and every other proponent of Islam KNOWS very well that killing in the name of Mohammad or on behalf of Mohammad is very well welcomed in Islam. Mohammad himself was a murderous psychopath. He encouraged his followers to maim anyone who doesn't believe in his prophethood. He even described how the unbelievers should be disemboweled. The ones that don't practice or support such practices in Islam today are seen as "infidels". That is why an average Fulani/Hausa muslim does not rate Yoruba Muslims because the Yorubas are widely known to be very liberal and accommodating. While the former are very conservative.

CHRISTIANS and every other persons out there, DO NOT allow yourselves to be deceived. This game of denial is called "Taquiyya". It has been going on for ages now. Muslims have been playing cat and mice with Christians for aeons now, committing heinous crimes in the name of allah and later sending a few unimportant figures to disown it so that the Christians can be at ease. The ones who are in power are also given a waiver to disown it because that is their job. But, they MUST do so under the capacity of the office with which they serve, NOT personally. Thats why the Sultan can't disown it, BUT the SULTANATE can. The President himself can't speak against it but the PRESIDENCY can. This type of deception is called "Taquiyya". It is what Mohammad asked them to do.

DO NOT ALLOW YOURSELVES TO BE DECEIVED.

Ask yourselves, if it is unislamic, then why can't their leaders come out individually to disown it in public? Why couldn't Atiku Abubakar make that tweet and stand by it with his full chest?? Even some Christian leaders who need their votes can't come out to condemn it, WHY?? IF IT IS UNISLAMIC, THEN WHY ARE THE POPULATION OF MUSLIMS SOLIDLY BEHIND IT?

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Re: Honor Killing, Jungle Justice...not ISLAMIC! by iCauseTrouble: 2:28pm On May 13
shocked
Re: Honor Killing, Jungle Justice...not ISLAMIC! by Daguga: 2:28pm On May 13
Lukgaf:
Deborah Samuel, a female student of Shehu Shagari College of Education Sokoto State, was murdered in Sokoto for allegedly insulting Prophet Mohammed. What does Islam say about this type of killing? Is jungle justice or honor killing allowed in Islam? This thread clarifies.



Fiqh class

Jazaakumullaahu khayran

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Re: Honor Killing, Jungle Justice...not ISLAMIC! by Antiislaam: 2:30pm On May 13
MODS please don't delete any hadith or message that reveal the truth about apostasy law and how this innocent girl was burnt to ashes

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Re: Honor Killing, Jungle Justice...not ISLAMIC! by Mumusaphire: 2:32pm On May 13
Even seun fear islam

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Re: Honor Killing, Jungle Justice...not ISLAMIC! by 43Ronin: 2:33pm On May 13
What I want to understand is why Islam has not metamorphosed over the centuries. I mean just like Islam, christianity had its own extreme but we find out that is no more. But Islam has refused to change with time. It's still very barbaric. Beheading, crucifixion, amputation stake burning (something that christianity ended centuries ago) WTF is wrong with Islam and why hasn't it changed over the centuries.
Pls the islamists in the house should answer and not tell me its a peaceful religion crap and those doing it are sinners

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Re: Honor Killing, Jungle Justice...not ISLAMIC! by Sanchez01: 2:34pm On May 13
AntiChristian:
Anyone who is guilty of blasphemy should be arrested and tried in a competent court.

Islam doesn't permit jungle justice.

The perpetrators should be brought to justice.

Why would you burn people like that?

So wrong!!

And Christians should also mind their uterances especially in those regions. Tolerance should be two ways!

There's no pastor that can raise a burnt corpse today!
Blasphemy against who? A paedophile who lived and died like any human, committed some of the most ridiculous atrocities you all shy away from?

A group of black young people killed another black girl because she supposedly said some things against a dead Arab. You won't know how messed up that is until something deep hits you.

If you think you can and should fight for Muhammad when anyone says something wrong against him, then you are better off worshipping a spoon.

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Re: Honor Killing, Jungle Justice...not ISLAMIC! by biafranrealson: 2:34pm On May 13
Which one come be Islamabad sorry Islamic
Suicide bombers, bandits, herdsmen uprooting of cassava for cows to graze on , etc
Any religion that it's adherents fight for their god and prophet is rubbish and useless .
God should be the one fighting for his people .

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Re: Honor Killing, Jungle Justice...not ISLAMIC! by tutudesz: 2:34pm On May 13
"Protecting oneself and one’s honor (like in the case of rape), mind, wealth and religion is a well-established basic principle in Islam"
Just imagine undecided why can't you protect your honor against under age marriage, Banditry and terrorism

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Re: Honor Killing, Jungle Justice...not ISLAMIC! by Prozico22(m): 2:35pm On May 13
but allahi and mohammedu are useless

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Re: Honor Killing, Jungle Justice...not ISLAMIC! by 1nigeriamyfoot: 2:35pm On May 13
The world would have been a better & peaceful place without Islam

How many times have we read the news that someone got burnt because they abused Jesus Christ?




abbey621:


See that's the problem with people like you, you reason with your mouth which ends up landing you in trouble. There are states in Nigeria that practices Sharia law and yes you can be arrested for blasphemy among other things. If you have a problem with that, speak to your government. No sensible Muslim would rejoice at jungle justice, there are courts for things like this and everyone deserves a chance to prove guilt or innocence.

This is Nasir El Rufai, till today he's walking a free a man

What he said here is greatest blasphemy but no Christian slapped any Muslim for that

Islam is violence

Muhammed is a paedophile

Allah is blood sucking demon

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Re: Honor Killing, Jungle Justice...not ISLAMIC! by samwheel(m): 2:35pm On May 13
AntiChristian:
Anyone who is guilty of blasphemy should be arrested and tried in a competent court.

Islam doesn't permit jungle justice.

The perpetrators should be brought to justice.

Why would you burn people like that?

So wrong!!


And Christians should also mind their uterances especially in those regions. Tolerance should be two ways!

There's no pastor that can raise a burnt corpse today!


undecided

Imagine d rubbish you're saying, arrest someone for blasphemy.
Can't your Mohammad and Allah fight for themselves.
You Muslims are all happy for what happened to that lady, just pretending. You're all terrorist inclined.

Y'all better repent and surrender to Christ and live a peaceful life.

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Re: Honor Killing, Jungle Justice...not ISLAMIC! by Femiwilli: 2:36pm On May 13
KORAN COMMANDS HATRED & KILLING OF CHRISTIANS & JEWS

Sura 5:51 O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends.

SURA 4:89 So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah;
if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them,
and choose no friend nor helper from among them,

SURA 8:59 And let not those who disbelieve(Christians & Jews) suppose that they can outstrip (Allah's Purpose)
. Lo! they cannot escape.


SURA 9:123 O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers(Christians & Jews) who are near to you

SURA 2:190 Fight in the way of Allah

SURA 2:191 And slay them(Christians & Jews) wherever ye find them

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Re: Honor Killing, Jungle Justice...not ISLAMIC! by Prozico22(m): 2:36pm On May 13
pantami will be happy with the news if na my sister those guys girl i for commit enough murder before person self go murder me

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