TenQ:

Are you aware that there are over 40 different English translations of the Qur'an?

Are you also aware that there are up to 32 different Arabic Quran?

If you need evidence, ai can give you!

Same way we have different English dialect.

In USA alone we have this different dialects of English [ Western American English, North Central American English, Northern American English, Midland American English, Southern American English, New York City American English and Northern New England American English.]


what if we analyze different English language spoken in each part of the world.



The Quran was only revealed to muhammad in 7 Arabic dialect which are all accepted which means there are still other Arabic dialects but only the 7 are accepted and those will be regarded as translation even though it is arabic.

haekymbahd:
Muslims do recite Quran in their 5 daily prayer if christians also recite bible verses in prayer which version will you recite KJV or NWT...



Which is original and which is fake?

Stop lying!
Can you show me just one raKa from your prayers that is inside the Qur'an?

The bible can be read in ANY of the languages of this world in Worship. If you like, you Hakeem can translate the bible into your own local dialect and it is acceptable. The bible is even written in Nigerian Pigin/Broken English if you don't know.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geFx3X1i0c4

True worshippers worship God in any language God gave them to speak and understand.

Do you know that there over 40 English translations of the Arabic Quran?

Do you know that there are at least 32 different Arabic qurans in existence?

KJV and NWT are both English translations my dear

haekymbahd:
Same way we have different English dialect.

In USA alone we have this different dialects of English [ Western American English, North Central American English, Northern American English, Midland American English, Southern American English, New York City American English and Northern New England American English.]


what if we analyze different English language spoken in each part of the world.



The Quran was only revealed to muhammad in 7 Arabic dialect which are all accepted which means there are still other Arabic dialects but only the 7 are accepted and those will be regarded as translation even though it is arabic.

So you knew this truth all along and you still keep decieving your self and others with the narrative of "the Qur'an is the verbatim words of Allah that has not one single change from inception till now!"

Let's assume that Jubril dictated the Qur'an in seven different Arabic dialects .
1. Why didn't Uthman preserve the other 6 dialects of the Qur'an?
2. How come we have 32 Arabic Qur'ans rather than 7 as expected?
3. Of these 32 different Arabic Qurans, which one is the exact DICTATED words of Allah?

Three simple questions I know you will dodge like hell!

haekymbahd:
As a trinitarian can you use the NWT version of the bible or not tell us the reason isn't it the same bible with KJV and which is the original version and fake between the 2 (KJV and NWT)...

KJV was written in Shakespearian English (Thou, Thee, Thine etc). NWT is modern English!
No Christian is BOUND by any Translation of the Bible into ANY language or style of Translation! At least if we don't appreciate a translation, we can justify why by looking a the original languages of Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek. 32 Arabic Qurans (not translations) is no joke bro!

Unlike you who is bound to the Arabic Quran: you tell us that it is the ONLY Qur'an only for us to discover that the standard Islamic Narratives are PURE LIES!

I asked you a question:
1. Of the 32 different Original Arabic Qurans, which one is the verbatim words of Allah?

2.If the Qur'an was dictated in seven different dialects, where did the 25 other Arabic Recitation dialects come from?

If lies runs ahead for 20 years, in just a single day the truth will catch up with it.

If the Standard Islamic traditions and narratives are coming out one by one as LIES, can we trust the remaining narratives of Islam?

TenQ:

Stop lying!
Can you show me just one raKa from your prayers that is inside the Qur'an?

The bible can be read in ANY of the languages of this world in Worship. If you like, you Hakeem can translate the bible into your own local dialect and it is acceptable. The bible is even written in Nigerian Pigin/Broken English if you don't know.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geFx3X1i0c4

True worshippers worship God in any language God gave them to speak and understand.

Do you know that there over 40 English translations of the Arabic Quran?

Do you know that there are at least 32 different Arabic qurans in existence?

KJV and NWT are both English translations my dear

This is a brief preface of the RSV bible you go and get one and read the remaining.

This is what the RSV had to say about KJV version of the bible


Preface to the Revised Standard Version
(2nd ed., 1971)

The Revised Standard Version of the Bible is an authorized revision of the American Standard Version, published in 1901, which was a revision of the King James Version, published in 1611.

The first English version of the Scriptures made by direct translation from the original Hebrew and Greek, and the first to be printed, was the work of William Tyndale. He met bitter opposition. He was accused of willfully perverting the meaning of the Scriptures, and his New Testaments were ordered to be burned as “untrue translations.” He was finally betrayed into the hands of his enemies, and in October 1536, was publicly executed and burned at the stake.

Yet Tyndale’s work became the foundation of subsequent English versions, notably those of Coverdale, 1535; Thomas Matthew (probably a pseudonym for John Rogers), 1537; the Great Bible, 1539; the Geneva Bible, 1560; and the Bishops’ Bible, 1568. In 1582, a translation of the New Testament, made from the Latin Vulgate by Roman Catholic scholars, was published at Rheims.

The translators who made the King James Version took into account all of these preceding versions; and comparison shows that it owes something to each of them. It kept felicitous phrases and apt expressions, from whatever source, which had stood the test of public usage. It owed most, especially in the New Testament, to Tyndale.

The King James Version had to compete with the Geneva Bible in popular use; but in the end it prevailed, and for more than two and a half centuries no other authorized translation of the Bible into English was made. The King James Version became the “Authorized Version” of the English-speaking peoples.

The King James Version has with good reason been termed “the noblest monument of English prose.” Its revisers in 1881 expressed admiration for “its simplicity, its dignity, its power, its happy turns of expression ... the music of it cadences, and the felicities of its rhythm.” It entered, as no other book has, into the making of the personal character and the public institutions of the English-speaking peoples. We owe to it an incalculable debt.

Yet the King James Version has grave defects. By the middle of the nineteenth century, the development of Biblical studies and the discovery of many manuscripts more ancient than those upon which the King James Version was based, made it manifest that these defects are so many and so serious as to call for revision of the English translation. The task was undertaken, by authority of the Church of England, in 1870...

http://www.bible-researcher.com/rsvpreface.html

You can get an RSV bible and read the remaining yourself. This is exactly what Muslims are trying to avoid

That is why allah is an idol, the only language that idol (allah) muhammad inherited from his father understand is arabic

wis3:
Going by your assertion. Anyone could just decide to write the Bible and give it whatever meaning he chooses and you can't call them out for it. Because your language isn't any better than theirs.

The bible was written by men but inspired by God. Therefore there's bound to be human error. Christians acknowledge the literary human error in the bible which is as a result of human limitation. That's why the bible say the letter killeth but the spirit giveth life. The core message of the bible is Jesus Christ and his salvation to mankind- that changeth not.
Unlike muslims who claim the quran is the direct word of Allah but cannot explain the numerous errors and blunders in the quran.
The koran couldnt even get the mother of Jesus right, her name and identity was confused with that of Miriam, sister of Moses.
Yet they want us to believe Jesus Christ is the same as Isa in the koran.
When u call Moslems out on these blunder, they rationalise it with sentence like 'figure of speech' or 'Allah knows best'

haekymbahd:
This is a brief preface of the RSV bible you go and get one and read the remaining.

This is what the RSV had to say about KJV version of the bible


Preface to the Revised Standard Version
(2nd ed., 1971)

The Revised Standard Version of the Bible is an authorized revision of the American Standard Version, published in 1901, which was a revision of the King James Version, published in 1611.

The first English version of the Scriptures made by direct translation from the original Hebrew and Greek, and the first to be printed, was the work of William Tyndale. He met bitter opposition. He was accused of willfully perverting the meaning of the Scriptures, and his New Testaments were ordered to be burned as “untrue translations.” He was finally betrayed into the hands of his enemies, and in October 1536, was publicly executed and burned at the stake.

Yet Tyndale’s work became the foundation of subsequent English versions, notably those of Coverdale, 1535; Thomas Matthew (probably a pseudonym for John Rogers), 1537; the Great Bible, 1539; the Geneva Bible, 1560; and the Bishops’ Bible, 1568. In 1582, a translation of the New Testament, made from the Latin Vulgate by Roman Catholic scholars, was published at Rheims.

The translators who made the King James Version took into account all of these preceding versions; and comparison shows that it owes something to each of them. It kept felicitous phrases and apt expressions, from whatever source, which had stood the test of public usage. It owed most, especially in the New Testament, to Tyndale.

The King James Version had to compete with the Geneva Bible in popular use; but in the end it prevailed, and for more than two and a half centuries no other authorized translation of the Bible into English was made. The King James Version became the “Authorized Version” of the English-speaking peoples.

The King James Version has with good reason been termed “the noblest monument of English prose.” Its revisers in 1881 expressed admiration for “its simplicity, its dignity, its power, its happy turns of expression ... the music of it cadences, and the felicities of its rhythm.” It entered, as no other book has, into the making of the personal character and the public institutions of the English-speaking peoples. We owe to it an incalculable debt.

Yet the King James Version has grave defects. By the middle of the nineteenth century, the development of Biblical studies and the discovery of many manuscripts more ancient than those upon which the King James Version was based, made it manifest that these defects are so many and so serious as to call for revision of the English translation. The task was undertaken, by authority of the Church of England, in 1870...

http://www.bible-researcher.com/rsvpreface.html

You can get an RSV bible and read the remaining yourself. This is exactly what Muslims are trying to avoid

This is the FREEDOM Christians have. RSV os just one of hundreds of English Translations we have. If any Christian has a misgiving about any translation (for any reason) you can choose other translations.

Unlike people who dont speak Arabic yet Reads Scripture that makes no sense tp them UNLESS someone INTERPRETES.

Now, please respond to my query!

True worshippers worship God in any language God gave them to speak and understand.

Do you know that there over 40 English translations of the Arabic Quran?

Do you know that there are at least 32 different Arabic qurans in existence?

KJV and NWT are both English translations my dear

TenQ:


This is the FREEDOM Christians have. RSV os just one of hundreds of English Translations we have. If any Christian has a misgiving about any translation (for any reason) you can choose other translations.

Unlike people who dont speak Arabic yet Reads Scripture that makes no sense tp them UNLESS someone INTERPRETES.

Now, please respond to my query!

True worshippers worship God in any language God gave them to speak and understand.

Do you know that there over 40 English translations of the Arabic Quran?

Do you know that there are at least 32 different Arabic qurans in existence?

KJV and NWT are both English translations my dear

TenQ:

So you knew this truth all along and you still keep decieving your self and others with the narrative of "the Qur'an is the verbatim words of Allah that has not one single change from inception till now!"

Let's assume that Jubril dictated the Qur'an in seven different Arabic dialects .
1. Why didn't Uthman preserve the other 6 dialects of the Qur'an?
2. How come we have 32 Arabic Qur'ans rather than 7 as expected?
3. Of these 32 different Arabic Qurans, which one is the exact DICTATED words of Allah?

Three simple questions I know you will dodge like hell!

There are no different version of Quran, Quran was revealed orally the disciple's of the prophet memorised them and wrote them on materials such as bones as there was no book.

When the number of prophet disciples were diminishing was when they decided to gather all the materials and also from their memory wrote down what they learnt.

What you call version are only accents or ways of reciting the Quran which were later documented. As uthman himself sent Quran to several province along side with reciters of the Quran..

It doesn't in anyway change the meaning or context with which the Quran was written?

The qirāʾāt that Muslims recite today have been transmitted through generations after generations of reciters with uninterrupted chains of transmission tracing back to the Prophet ﷺ, containing within them a mixture of the variation permitted according to the seven aḥruf.

All of the accepted qirāʾāt follow three basic rules:
1. Conformity to the consonantal skeleton of the ʿUthmānic muṣḥaf.

2. Consistency with Arabic grammar.

3. Authentic chain of transmission.

Those qirāʾāt that fall short of these conditions are shādhdh (anomalous/irregular).


Obviously if a Yoruba and Hausa man recite English there will be slight variation in there accent some times their accent may change the meaning or context of words/sentence.

That's why for any Qiraat to be accepted it has to conform with the 3 rules above otherwise it isn't authentic...

SIRTee15:


The bible was written by men but inspired by God. Therefore there's bound to be human error. Christians acknowledge the literary human error in the bible which is as a result of human limitation. That's why the bible say the letter killeth but the spirit giveth life. The core message of the bible is Jesus Christ and his salvation to mankind- that changeth not.
Unlike muslims who claim the quran is the direct word of Allah but cannot explain the numerous errors and blunders in the quran.
The koran couldnt even get the mother of Jesus right, her name and identity was confused with that of Miriam, sister of Moses.
Yet they want us to believe Jesus Christ is the same as Isa in the koran.
When u call Moslems out on these blunder, they rationalise it with sentence like 'figure of speech' or 'Allah knows best'

Who taught you all these lies?
There's no confusion in the Qur'an except whatever confusion you hatch up in your brain! And it remains in your brain.
Even your Holy Spirit can only help you to tell lies in this case!

But you were right for admitting that the bible was a human remix for you! The Qur'an is true about that

AntiChristian:


Who taught you all these lies?
There's no confusion in the Qur'an except whatever confusion you hatch up in your brain! And it remains in your brain.
Even your Holy Spirit can only help you to tell lies in this case!

But you were right for admitting that the bible was a human remix for you! The Qur'an is true about that

bla bla bla.
Tell us who is the mother of Jesus according to the koran. who is her brother and father. Be very honest. Thank u

haekymbahd:
There are no different version of Quran, Quran was revealed orally the disciple's of the prophet memorised them and wrote them on materials such as bones as there was no book.

When the number of prophet disciples were diminishing was when they decided to gather all the materials and also from their memory wrote down what they learnt.

What you call version are only accents or ways of reciting the Quran which were later documented. As uthman himself sent Quran to several province along side with reciters of the Quran..

It doesn't in anyway change the meaning or context with which the Quran was written?

The qirāʾāt that Muslims recite today have been transmitted through generations after generations of reciters with uninterrupted chains of transmission tracing back to the Prophet ﷺ, containing within them a mixture of the variation permitted according to the seven aḥruf.

All of the accepted qirāʾāt follow three basic rules:
1. Conformity to the consonantal skeleton of the ʿUthmānic muṣḥaf.

2. Consistency with Arabic grammar.

3. Authentic chain of transmission.

Those qirāʾāt that fall short of these conditions are shādhdh (anomalous/irregular).


Obviously if a Yoruba and Hausa man recite English there will be slight variation in there accent some times their accent may change the meaning or context of words/sentence.

That's why for any Qiraat to be accepted it has to conform with the 3 rules above otherwise it isn't authentic...

This is another standard variation that you want us to believe!

If the Qur'an was dictated and recited in Oyo dialect of Yoruba Language for instance AND it was memorised, then it would be memorised in Oyo dialect and not Ijebu or Egba or Ekiti dialects. I cannot recite "the Lord's prayer in the bible" in my local dialect for instance. I can only recite it in Yoruba and English. Why? Because I learned them in Yoruba and English QED!
That narrative is very lame sir. It's an attempt to coverup a big lie

By the way, several differences have been found in those qirāʾāt to completely throw OUT the narrative of Dialects. If accent change, should meanings ALSO change? A Yoruba man who calls Chair "Sia" means exactly the same thing not something else. If meaning change with INTONATION, then error has crept into the codex.

The standard Islamic Narrative is that the Qur'an was dictated in SEVEN dialects: therefore where did the other 25 dialects come from if they were indeed dialects!?
Were the others fabricated?

But,
You will agree with me that even when you Muslims knew this, you were selling the narrative of "there is only one Qur'an"
"All the letters of the Qur'an to the dots are preserved"
"Christians have many bibles!"

Was this part of the Taqqiyya you use even against Muslims?

TenQ:

Are you aware that there are over 40 different English translations of the Qur'an?

Are you also aware that there are up to 32 different Arabic Quran?

If you need evidence, ai can give you!

32 ko 470 ni,, there is only one Holy Qur'an. Stick to whatever bullshit you read online

TenQ:

Just as it is impossible to invoke IFA Oracle in any other language other than Yoruba!
It is not even possible to recite Yoruba Incantations in any other language. The gods might misunderstand you ...ABI?

There is no room for error in Islam that's why there is only one Qur'an. It's really that simple.

SIRTee15:



bla bla bla.
Tell us who is the mother of Jesus according to the koran. who is her brother and father. Be very honest. Thank u

this is akin to saying Jesus should be pronounced Yeshua because the Bible was originally written in Hebrews. In a few years to come there'll be even more terms and words to replace the words we use today and that is why we should, as much as we can, try to stick to the original message without altering it's contents.

wis3:
this is akin to saying Jesus should be pronounced Yeshua because the Bible was originally written in Hebrews. In a few years to come there'll be even more terms and words to replace the words we use today and that is why we should, as much as we can, try to stick to the original message without altering it's contents.

Can we stick to the question. Antichristian said there's no blunder in the Koran.
Tell who is the mother of Jesus according to the koran. Her father and brother.
Thank you.

SIRTee15:


Can we stick to the question. Antichristian said there's no blunder in the Koran.
Tell who is the mother of Jesus according to the koran. Her father and brother.
Thank you.

you seem to have comprehension issues. The Qur'an is written in Arabic. There languages have different terms for different words. Jesus in Hebrews is Yeshua, Yorubas call him Jesu, and so on. Different languages will accord different meanings to different words.

SIRTee15:


bla bla bla.
Tell us who is the mother of Jesus according to the koran. who is her brother and father. Be very honest. Thank u

Of what importance is that if it is in the Qur'an.

The Mother of Jesus is Maryam. A whole Surah (Chapter) is dedicated to Maryam. You can find the name there. And She is the only woman mentioned by name in the entire Qur'an. Jesus had no father! And the Qur'an mentioned nothing of his brothers or sisters!

The Qur'an is not a genealogy book nor Bibliography of a particular person's birth & death!
Hence, it does not even have Muhammad's parent's names!

wis3:
you seem to have comprehension issues. The Qur'an is written in Arabic. There languages have different terms for different words. Jesus in Hebrews is Yeshua, Yorubas call him Jesu, and so on. Different languages will accord different meanings to different words.

So why is that WRONG or a Terrible thing where Islam is concerned?

Whether I call Jesus by His English Translation or even the Yoruba one, Jesu, Iesous or Yeshua or Yesu or Isa ... surely He knows that it is He that I call on, but why is it not right to do such in Islam?

wis3:
There is no room for error in Islam that's why there is only one Qur'an. It's really that simple.

But there is room for ignorance!

By the way, at least 32 different Arabic Qurans have been found in the last six years. What's your take on this?

Is it, "don't confuse me with the truth, I have made up my mind!?"

wis3:
There is no room for error in Islam that's why there is only one Qur'an. It's really that simple.

Yet the belief is plagued with exactly that, no different from any other religion out there. And you know why? There is no such thing as a perfect book written by the hands of humans and in human language.

Kobojunkie:
So why is that WRONG or a Terrible thing where Islam is concerned?

It's not wrong. It doesn't make it right either. Coining up new words to suit whatever narrative you want to give certain things is only going to complicate things where thesame word would mean different things to different people. Which brings us to why we should stick with the language it was originally revealed in.

TenQ:

But there is room for ignorance!

By the way, at least 32 different Arabic Qurans have been found in the last six years. What's your take on this?

Is it, "don't confuse me with the truth, I have made up my mind!?"

I'd call you bluff but not until you show where there exists these 32 different Qurans.

Kobojunkie:
Yet the belief is plagued with exactly that, no different from any other religion out there. And you know why? There is no such thing as a perfect book written by the hands of humans and in human language.

This is true. And that is why we must try to not alter these messages as humans because it starts to lose it's meaning. Imagine if everyone were to write their own copies of the Bible today, with each opinion varying from the other.

wis3:
1. It's not wrong. It doesn't make it right either.

2. Coining up new words to suit whatever narrative you want to give certain things is only going to complicate things where thesame word would mean different things to different people. Which brings us to why we should stick with the language it was originally revealed in.

1.. If it's not wrong and it isn't right, doesn't that mean it is of no consequence to do it then and hence should be an issue of concern at all?

2. Coining up new words? So you think languages are born from the coining up of new words to suit different narratives? Is this a joke or something?

Complicate what for whom? So the man whose name is Jesus has his life complicated after finding out that the same name can be said in other languages as Jesu, Yesu, Ieosus, Yeshua ?

AntiChristian:


Of what importance is that if it is in the Qur'an.

The Mother of Jesus is Maryam. A whole Surah (Chapter) is dedicated to Maryam. You can find the name there. And She is the only woman mentioned by name in the entire Qur'an. Jesus had no father! And the Qur'an mentioned nothing of his brothers or sisters!

The Qur'an is not a genealogy book nor Bibliography of a particular person's birth & death!
Hence, it does not even have Muhammad's parent's names!

This antichristian is olodo, he didnt even know that the koran actually mentioned Mary's father and brother.
why would he know, when he cant even read the koran itself. Yet he's here defending why islamic text should only be in arabic.
African muslims are the most ridiculous in that faith. If I was born into a muslim family, I would have abandoned the religion long time ago.

Kobojunkie:
1.. If it's not wrong and it isn't right, doesn't that mean it is of no consequence to do it then and hence should be an issue of concern at all?

2. Coining up new words? So you think languages are born from the coining up of new words to suit different narratives? Is this a joke or something?

Complicate what for whom? So the man whose name is Jesus has his life complicated after finding out that the same name can be said in other languages as Jesu, Yesu, Ieosus, Yeshua ?

There's also the chances of people of other faiths or beliefs who'd stop at nothing to destroy what a different faith stands for. Coming up with their own versions of the books and changing the contents to suit their narrative. And note, it doesn't make your version any better than theirs, since everyone can come up with their own versions and they'd still be recognized.

wis3:
32 ko 470 ni,, there is only one Holy Qur'an. Stick to whatever bullshit you read online

The truth is bitter!?

Why don't you look at why so many Muslim scholars are against YQ?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftFjrRjPjrk


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANo6dXc2i-0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lqQBVtUWvo

Do you care for the truth?

wis3:
you seem to have comprehension issues. The Qur'an is written in Arabic. There languages have different terms for different words. Jesus in Hebrews is Yeshua, Yorubas call him Jesu, and so on. Different languages will accord different meanings to different words.

I dont care what u guys called them in koran, the point is the koran actually mentioned the names of Mary's brother and father but got it wrong!!!
Now according to the koran, Mary's father and brother is Imran and Aaron respectively. The problem is another female bible character has Imran and Aaron as relatives.
The father and brother of Mariam the sister of Moses in the book of exodus were Imran and Aaron. Mariam and Mary sounded alike in Arabic language and that explained the confusion in your koran.
Mohammed must have confused Mariam in exodus with Mary in the new testament and ended up muddling up the characters in his koran.
Besides, according to Jewish Chritian literature, the father of Mary is Joachin not Imran.

The above is the why Isa is not the same as Jesus Christ. If u guys cant get the name of his mother right, why should we believe every other thing written about him in your koran.
You guys should stick to whoever is Isa in your koran and leave Jesus Christ out of your mouth. Thank you.

wis3:
This is true. And that is why we must try to not alter these messages as humans because it starts to lose it's meaning. Imagine if everyone were to write their own copies of the Bible today, with each opinion varying from the other.

You are still not making any sense in this. From the beginning,

From its very beginning, the belief has been plagued with errors and you have been trying to control the problem by restricting it to just the one language. Yet the problem continues. How exactly does doing the same thing that you have been doing for over a 1000 years, with continued failure by the way, sound like the meaningful thing to continue with ?

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Everyone can write their own copies of the Bible if they wish to this since God never told people they had to believe in a book in order to believe in Him.

SIRTee15:


This antichristian is olodo, he didnt even know that the koran actually mentioned Mary's father and brother.
why would he know, when he cant even read the koran itself. Yet he's here defending why islamic text should only be in arabic.
African muslims are the most ridiculous in that faith. If I was born into a muslim family, I would have abandoned the religion long time ago.

Of course i am an olodo before. No be today.
I was even thinking you asked of mother and brother of Jesus. Didn't you see my response?

Maryam the daughter of ‘Imraan (may Allah be pleased with her) is one of the devoted worshippers and righteous women.

You are a pessimist who has the worst thinking of people you never met!
Alhamdulillah, na inside Islam i go die! Aamin.

wis3:

There's also the chances of people of other faiths or beliefs who'd stop at nothing to destroy what a different faith stands for. Coming up with their own versions of the books and changing the contents to suit their narrative. And note, it doesn't make your version any better than theirs, since everyone can come up with their own versions and they'd still be recognized.

But isn't that pretty much what continues to Islam to this day? This destruction not coming from the outside but from right within Islam itself?

What does it mean for a version to be better than another's?