MaxInDHouse:

Only one person was with God in the beginning {Proverbs 8:22; John 1:1} but all others came through the handiwork of the firstborn of all creations! Colossians 1:15-16 compare to Proverbs 8:30

So those elders are angels closer to God than the rest! Luke 1:19

Emusan:


So was Moses A GOD or human who was made LIKE a god?

Was Jesus MADE LIKE A GOD OR WAS GOD?

Maynman:


Angels are called ma’’lak in hebrew and they are the least divine being

Deborah98:
See let me tell you, whatever you are looking for in the Bible you will surely find it. Why did God have to call His word a two-edged sword? Your heart disposition towards it determines what influences it. If you are reading it to argue or win an argument you will see or be directed towards that area. Something keeps happening to me each time I open the Bible to read. When I casually read it, I read it as though it's just a philosophical book but when I put my spirit aright and read,my eyes are opened to see deeper and realer things I have never seen. Do you know you can read a particular verse of the Bible in a week and get different meanings out of it. There are spirits that lurk around to influence you depending on your intentions of reading it. How did I get here? Back to the thread. Jesus is not an angel. He is the son of God. Even man is superior to Angels.

MaxInDHouse:


I know you're not relying on what you read in the Bible rather you're placing the dogmas of your sect over God's word.
So it will be very difficult for you to face the reality.

Mikee19:

You know, this sounds very familiar. Maybe because this is exactly what JW do, relying on the governing body to tell them what to believe, not God's word itself. You can actually call out ppl for doing what you yourself admit to doing? Nice...

MaxInDHouse:


By their FRUITS you will know them! Matthew 7:16

The product of each religion will speak for those overseeing them! Luke 7:35 compare to Matthew 7:17-18

Jokerman:
Some school of thought argue that the son (Jesus Christ) is an angel, telling you that Jesus is the same person as Archangel Michael.

Where do they get this misconstrued idea from?? Let's take a peek from their verses of argument.

▪︎Daniel 12:1 "And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book".

Since Michael is the great Prince that stands for the children of Israel, then he must be Jesus Christ himself.

▪︎1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Since Jesus is coming with the voice of the Archangel, and the Bible only mentions one Archangel, Michael, then Jesus must be the same personality as Michael.

What does Archangel mean? It means a chief or leading angel.. Now is Jesus Christ the son of God an angel himself?

REASONS WHY JESUS IS NOT ANGEL MICHAEL NOR IS HE AN ANGEL AT ALL

1. Jesus himself specifically differentiates Himself from angels
Mark 13:32, KJV: But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

The son has greater authority than all angels.


2. The Apostles also differentiated Jesus Christ from Angels
▪︎ St Peter: 1 Peter 3: 21-22
........................ It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
22 who has gone into heaven and is at God’s right hand—with angels, authorities and powers in submission to him.

▪︎ St Paul: Hebrews 1:4
Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

Lalasticlala
Mynd44

AntiChristian:
Everything can be proved from the Bible. It just depends on where the spirit leads you.

Jesus is Angel Michael.

Jesus is son of God.

Jesus is son of man.

Jesus is God himself.

Jesus is godman hybrid!

houseofwind1:
I think the reason you're saying this is bc you don't understand simple truth or grammar. I do not say this to demean you in anyways and so hope ur heart can get what I'm about to say.

I think the predominant reason why you don't know what you're talking about is bc you read the bible out of context and do not read to understand. You just read to support what they already right you.

If you read the verse in Hebrews, and truly understand English language, you'll see that it says Jesus is an angel. In fact it's says "thou art exalted above thy fellows" about Jesus. What's the meaning of fellows and who are these fellows?

Fellows mean equals and these equals are angels.

Now you keep stating it that Michael is not Jesus yet do not even know what Michael means. Michael means the one like God and arch means beginning or sovereign.

So when they said archangel Michael, it means the "beginning/sovereign one like God" who is the beginning and like God? Only Christ is the beginning and is like God. He's the man testified in the beginning to be the image and likeness of God and also the sovereign Lord himself.

Now, you and ur kinds are talking about many arch angels and adding thing to the bible by urself; of which things you bring from other religions into the gospel. These things are all lies. There just two arch angels; Jesus and Satan, and Jesus and his angels defeated Satan and his angels so that light destroys darkness.

Lastly I'll advice you to stop reading outside the bible and stop teaching outside the bible. It's dangerous for your soul. Anyways may grave to learn come to you and may God break ur heart and give you a heart of flesh that can throw away doctrines of men and focus on his word. Stay blessed

Read Isaiah 63:9

Jokerman:


My brother.... Michael is not the only Archangel... Gabriel is an Archangel.... Lucifer was a Cherub.... now angels are classed...

Messengers
Warriors
Thrones

Arch messenger- Gabriel

Arch Warrior- Michael

Arch Cherub- Lucifer (before the fall)

The Son of God, is not the same as Archangel Michael...

Mikee19:

Ain't this lovely!
When it is about others, they must look to the word itself and not what their sect teaches, but when it's your own turn, no problem, it no longer applies, you must look at fruit leaving that one alone. You're above and beyond what your require of others. Beautiful!

MaxInDHouse:


I aren't denying that it's whatever the GB teaches that all members of Watchtower must dance to. Remember that it's whatever Christ teaches that all Christians must dance to and Jesus himself said his Apostles are serving as branches so nobody can connect to Jesus without his Apostles! John 15:1-6

We believe that the GB serves as our own Apostles today as they interprets what their first century brothers penned down.
So whether they're right or wrong nobody can know that's why Jesus said:

The product of each religion will prove whether those overseeing it are working with God's Holy Spirit. Matthew 7:18

So instead of arguing blindly over what you and i read in the Bible why not concentrate on which group is producing the fruitage of FAITH? Remember it's the same kind of people throughout the world that each religion is teaching so watch out for the product of each religion. That's what Jesus Christ said, if truly you believe in his word!

Mikee19:

At least you're honest

MaxInDHouse:

So can you also be honest by telling me who are those that taught you what you think you believe today?
Or are you ashame of your teachers?
Perhaps you can't point to anything worthwhile they've been doing relating to the Good News of God's Kingdom like the GB of JWs have performed excellently throughout the earth!

Jokerman:
Some school of thought argue that the son (Jesus Christ) is an angel, telling you that Jesus is the same person as Archangel Michael.

Where do they get this misconstrued idea from?? Let's take a peek from their verses of argument.


Lalasticlala
Mynd44

Janosky:

John 7:16, Jesus Christ confirm he is aggelous (Greek32:Angel/Messenger screenshots)

Oga ,pls answer 4 questions..
Genesis 3:15 & Revelation 12:7-9,who is the serpent?
Genesis 3:15, Revelation 12:7-9 & 1 John 3:8, who defeats the serpent?
Matthew 25:31,2 Thess1:8-9, is Jesus leading other angels to victory as Archangel Michael lead other angels @ Daniel 12:1?
Before the advent of the KJV , did your Trinity mentors confirm Jesus is Archangel Michael?

Why do you call your Bible's truth, the words of Jesus, "a school of thought"?
So disrespectful.
Abeg ,go and learn !

Jokerman:
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▪︎Daniel 12:1 "And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book".

Since Michael is the great Prince that stands for the children of Israel, then he must be Jesus Christ himself.

Daniel 12:1 & Daniel 10:13, your Trinity mentors confirm Jesus Christ is archangel Michael since 1599 (look up the screenshot of Daniel 12:1) long before the advent of the KJV.
They brought the KJV to suppress Geneva Bible,pls go & find out.The history is not hidden.

Jokerman:
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▪︎1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Since Jesus is coming with the voice of the Archangel, and the Bible only mentions one Archangel, Michael, then Jesus must be the same personality as Michael.

Jokerman:
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What does Archangel mean? It means a chief or leading angel.. Now is Jesus Christ the son of God an angel himself?

Jokerman:
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REASONS WHY JESUS IS NOT ANGEL MICHAEL NOR IS HE AN ANGEL AT ALL

1. Jesus himself specifically differentiates Himself from angels
Mark 13:32, KJV: But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

The son has greater authority than all angels.

Jokerman:
.

2. The Apostles also differentiated Jesus Christ from Angels
▪︎ St Peter: 1 Peter 3: 21-22
........................ It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
22 who has gone into heaven and is at God’s right hand—with angels, authorities and powers in submission to him.

▪︎ St Paul: Hebrews 1:4
Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

Lalasticlala
Mynd44

Emusan:


So John 7:16 says Jesus is an Angel



Las las, no where the Bible explicitly says Jesus is an Angel Michael, that's just Watchtower delusion.



You have used the same phrase school of thought on this forum. Hypocrite!

So you disrespect too

Have you learn finished?

Janosky:

Emusan study the screenshots of John 7:16 & Greek aggelous (Angel) .
Jesus told them: 'My message is NOT my own.
It comes from God who sent me"

You keep displaying your ignoramus the more!

God sent Moses to pharaoh that means Moses is an Angel

Your Trinity mentors confirm what your Bible already PROVEN.
Emusan LIENUS continue in your folly
OR RECEIVE SENSE.

Emusan:


You keep displaying your ignoramus the more!

God sent Moses to pharaoh that means Moses is an Angel



Is it today you have been screenshoting?

The same Geneva Bible says Jesus is God. Do you take it? Hypocrite, you can cherry pick the part that suits you, you're not the first who'll do that, your father the Devil started it

Jokerman:


My brother.... Michael is not the only Archangel... Gabriel is an Archangel.... Lucifer was a Cherub.... now angels are classed...

Messengers
Warriors
Thrones

Arch messenger- Gabriel

Arch Warrior- Michael

Arch Cherub- Lucifer (before the fall)

The Son of God, is not the same as Archangel Michael...

Janosky:
Oga, continue in your folly.

Greek 32 aggelous (screenshot) your Trinity mentors are teaching you Angel mean Messenger (human or a spirit entity ),someone sent by God with a message to deliver.
Was Moses, Jesus sent by God?

Isaiah 6:8 in Geneva Bible, did God send himself at John 3:16?
Your false claim is NOT in Geneva Bible.

I refuse to assume responsibility for your FOOLISHNESS,Mr LIENUS.

MaxInDHouse:


You can read Exodus 7:1 in any version of your choice but let me quote from the ones i have here:

Jehovah then said to Moses: “See, I have made you like God to Pharʹaoh, and Aaron your own brother will become your prophet. NWT

And the LORD said unto Moses, See, i have made thee a god to Pharaoh and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet. KJV

And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet. Holy Bible

Then the LORD said to Moses, "See, I have made you like God to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron will be your prophet. NIV

And the Lord said to Moses, “See, I make you as God to Pharaoh; and Aaron your brother shall be your prophet. RSV

Moses was God to Pharaoh the greatest king on this planet at the time!

Janosky:

Brother Max, well done.

The exposure JWs have given them on this thread will help them realize they go to church to warm up the bench and dance away precious time for Bible study.

Emusan:


We know who is living in his folly here



That's what I'm saying, that means Moses is an Angel since he was sent by God.

John the Baptist is an Angel since he too was sent by God

Your John 7:16 lie no hold water again.

That's how the deluded JWs will be jumping from different verse to another without making sense.



God sent His Son! Geneva Bible is now your favorite Bible Hypocrite



I understand you completely Mr Gebbrish typer the great JaNosenses.

Provide where Bible explicitly says Jesus is angel Micheal, is that too hard for you Watchtower brainwashed?

Janosky:

Archangel no get plural.
Only Jesus Christ leads other angels, e dey your bible , Matthew 25:31 & 2 Thess1:8-9.
I asked you 4 questions, you no fit answer.
Y?

Janosky:

Oga, continue in your folly.
Or go argue with your Trinity mentors who confirm Jesus Christ is archangel Michael.
The same ghost is leading you and them.

Emusan:

In his last paragraph, he said "Moses was God to Pharaoh"
Do you believe Jesus was God to JWs?

Emusan:


See painment

So Geneva Bible is the Trinity mentors and not Catholic again that's wonderful!

At least you can see that John 7:16 didn't sell this time

Emusan:


But the same Michael is ONE of THE CHIEF princes"

What's the difference between Arc and Chief?

MaxInDHouse:

So can you also be honest by telling me who are those that taught you what you think you believe today?
Or are you ashame of your teachers?
Perhaps you can't point to anything worthwhile they've been doing relating to the Good News of God's Kingdom like the GB of JWs have performed excellently throughout the earth!

MaxInDHouse:


I aren't denying that it's whatever the GB teaches that all members of Watchtower must dance to. Remember that it's whatever Christ teaches that all Christians must dance to and Jesus himself said his Apostles are serving as branches so nobody can connect to Jesus without his Apostles! John 15:1-6

We believe that the GB serves as our own Apostles today as they interprets what their first century brothers penned down.

MaxInDHouse:
So whether they're right or wrong nobody can know