Originalsly:
@ OP.... if you live in Lagos.... what advice would you give someone who is doing pretty good in the village but wants to sell out and move to Lagos? .... someone who has never been to Lagos before?

The only advice I can give you is to Vote for APC candidate in Lagos Sawolu and BAT for president, show proof of voting and walahi you go make am in Lagos like vip. Lagos is accomodating

8stargeneral:
Alright..planing to enter UK soon.

UK sef make sense, although I have my reservations about it (especially in raising kids and teens in some areas), but it is a lovely place to relocate to altogether.

Best wishes

humberjade:


UK sef make sense, although I have my reservations about it (especially in raising kids and teens in some areas), but it is a lovely place to relocate to altogether.

Best wishes

Thank u bro,u HV someone there.

Sassy256:

Firstly, I'm not in London. Secondly, Who says care workers don't pay tax? You thinks it's only about tax? What about Ur bills, houserent, car insurance, fuel/diesel for car or transportation? TV licence and othe smaller bills? You're definitely getting information from illegal immigrants or people that are squatting. Life out here is not rosy, you have to work for every pence, it definitely becomes easier after a while but not as many portray it from Nigeria.

their tax is the least is it not?. how much is house rent ? £ 200- 300 outside London as a single person. your other bills can never reach £150, transportation is subsidized , you can't enter uk today and starts driving next day. public transport is subsidized.many Nigeria are making it over there , the hardworking ones. so forget story.

Sorry your hope was dashed. You were disappointed because you expected much from them.

First, you need to learn to conduct independent research on things that interest you. Take responsibility for your success or otherwise, and you won't be too disappointed or expectant in life.

You probably used internet to reach out to them and also type this. All of those time could be have been directed into researching authentic inform on migrating to the country of your choice. Even Nairaland here can be of help. There are a handful of threads addressing relocations.

Second, I am worried about the set of people you have in your circle. They are either beaten or scared of others' successes. However, you shouldn't generalise based on your few personal experiences.

Third, in defense of those people, most Africans that were helped to relocate abroad previously have turned around to become a burden or bad blood to their helpers. You know most of our barely keep long lasting relationships. They think relationships are simply about give or take. Many see life, career, living well, relocating as competition or they're better off than others.

In my almost three months in the UK, I've heard stories of people that were helped in who afterwards turn back to become wahala for their benefactor. Despite those stories and understanding that it's a sad reality of our world, I haven't decided nor stop to share migration advise or resources to people.

The Nigerian/African community in the UK isn't as vibrant or dominant as the India's, largely, because most Africans avoid themselves here due to wahala and competition, and do not help themselves move or settle in. It's the reverse for Indians and Asians, who are everywhere.

I hope you're not embittered at your friends and encourage you to do your research yourself. All the best.

krissconnect:
These past weeks, I've been reaching out to my friends who are abroad to help me with links or advices to move abroad too. But I discovered that none of them decided to help, instead they discouraged me either by saying, "it's difficult to move now or the country isn't issuing visa now".

One of my guy in CANADA defiantly ignored my text when I asked him for links or the route he used to move, the other in Korea said the country isn't issuing visa now but he recently moved back and another directly said that it's very hard to get visas now to travel. But one Asian American in the States gave me lots of links to move to the State and even encouraged me to move.

But then I don't understand why our African brothers over there will never encourage or advice someone willing to move. Is it envy or greediness or what? I've never had any of my guy abroad encourage me to move when I asked for advice. If things are difficult over there, why not come home?

NB: I never asked them for fund cos the money is available.

jesmond3945:
just try come first.

Lol...can I send a a pm?

maasoap:


I hate it when people reason like this! Damn!

thats life, personal story when i landed in airport i called my airbnb host i just landed, guy was like you never told me you were not in the country. he cant allow covid threat in his house. to rebook was wahala as my card limit from Nigeria had elapsed. two of my friends in my city refused to help pay while i refund. one of them na be borrow am 320k for application fee when he did his visa. humans for u .Another friend later helped .

8stargeneral:
Thank u bro,u HV someone there.

Yeah, but I have not being in contact with them for some time now. I know someone who is traveling there on a student visa late August or early Sept

casualobserver:


I am telling you the reality of life abroad for the majority of Nigerians who will japa!!!! I am privileged, I have citizenship, I was a high rate tax payer which means I was considered well off in the Uk but I can back home because there are certain things money can’t buy.

If you can raise the money for a ticket you can raise the money to start and grow a business in Nigeria!!!! Trust me if you are the kind of person that cannot find a business to do in Nigeria with the money it would cost you to move abroad, you are the kind of person that will be stuck in a rut if you move abroad. You are the sort that will find they can’t go forward, can’t go backwards once you get there.

Oh shut up

casualobserver:


What exactly do you mean by encourage? Let me explain it to you as someone who has a British passport has live abroad for many years but returned home.

The truth is life over there is a sort of bondage for someone with a Nigerian mindset. You are constantly working to pay bills , no matter how much you earn your expenses rise such that you are a slave to your job, the system entraps you in ways I can’t describe here for sake of brevity, unless you are amongst the few who can establish a means of income in the multiples of hundreds of thousands be it dollars be it pounds. Otherwise yes you will eat well and enjoy certain basics that may not be available in Nigeria for most Nigerians but there are many negative intangibles especially for someone raised in Nigeria.

Unless you are a high paying job, $100-200k + life is not a bed of roses. Even at that level you are struggling but can afford things to mitigate the struggles like holidays back home or other destinations. In theory you will be better off than in Nigeria initially but life is such that once you overcome the basic sufferings back in Nigeria, the intangible negatives start to matter. I am back in Nigeria and I wouldn’t go back. I am lucky I can travel out when I am tired of Nigeria but I will never again live abroad….unless I am forced to. With all the problems of Nigeria, there is no place like home. There is a sense of freedom and self worth in Nigeria you have that you lose when you go abroad, that’s one of the intangibles I talk about. No matter what you will always be a nobody abroad….that’s another!!!

Would I encourage anyone to move abroad. It’s a hard question because you will pay a huge psychological price for moving abroad, one you will not understand until you get there and one I can never explain to you until you have experienced it. What I would say is, if you want to go abroad, have a mission and come back with if 5 years!!! I won’t encourage or discourage anyone!!! I wouldn’t actively encourage anyone because I don’t want to be the one responsible for selling you a dream that will not match your reality!!!!

I wish I could like your post more than once or make everyone listen to/read this but sadly they will never understand until they come here and see the life for themselves. I personally made the decision that I won't live all my life in this UK, with tier2 visa I hope we get a British passport sooner than later, once I get that with my kids, we're homebound. The passport is just so we can travel as we like cos of the somewhat volatile nature of Nigeria otherwise, NO PLACE LIKE HOME.

airsaylongcome:


Lol! Road sweepers probably earn minimum wage abroad. You think $2k to $3k per month is big money living abroad?

Lol minimum wage is no where close to $3k per month. In Canada minimum wage is $15 per hour, after tax that comes to $1800.

Minimum wage in the us is $7.25 we hour

okeysoninv:
their tax is the least is it not?. how much is house rent ? £ 200- 300 outside London as a single person. your other bills can never reach £150, transportation is subsidized , you can't enter uk today and starts driving next day. public transport is subsidized.many Nigeria are making it over there , the hardworking ones. so forget story.

Now I See your perspective you have absolutely No idea what you're talking about... That's why you're typing what you're typing. Nevermind. I leave you with this statement "Travel and see".

ednut1:
bank manager didn’t relocate legally hence the sweeping job. If she has papers they would have at least given her banking officer job somewhere in the country

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Na cotton dey between your two ear; dat na say, if you get ear at all. Who no know go know.

There are 2 sides to this.

Some don't want you to come, that's the truth. Not because they care for you and do not want you to come and suffer. They are just plain wicked. The "keep looking up to me as the abroad guy" kind of mentality.

In a way I feel you aren't talking to the right set of people. See them as just acquaintances. Good friends want the best for their friends. And they are sincere about it.

I have a friend in Sweden, guy is on my neck to come, I am even the one telling him to calm down till I am done with my project in Nigeria, it's a massive project. At least I would know I have something to fall back on and I wont be under pressure to be sending money for any project pretty soon.

The other one in UK, a female has been encouraging me to come. Gave me the few tips she can.

Another angle:
Now to the cruise of the matter, it is not all rosy abroad. Know this and know peace.
If you must travel, please don't go with loan on your neck oh, else you will collapse under the pressure of repayment.

This my UK friend, just told me yesterday that she was kind of depressed . I asked her why, she said her dad requested for a shoe. And after doing her calculations based on the monthly household expenses, she would have just £10 (N7800) left. Hence buying that shoe is out of the play book for now. Imagine just shoe ooh. What if there is an emergency that requires huge sum to resolve.
This is someone living in UK ooh, when me in Nigeria is saving 400k monthly.

So before leaving this country, think it through well.

Some of us do not plan to japa.
It might happen though,but we do not see it as a priority.

If I must japa,I will just go for flexing.
I would have raised enough cash to keep me afloat for at least 2 years while my visa is valid.
I won't step out with the do or die mentality.
Truth is, I know I have this Grace, I am never idle for a month. So I know I will succeed anywhere I go. Still,I am taking it easy on the japa thingy.
Money dey this kontiri.

Biko, this life no hard,na we dey make am hard for ourselves.


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Jesus is Lord.
Accept Him today and know peace.

Sassy256:

Now I See your perspective you have absolutely No idea what you're talking about... That's why you're typing what you're typing. Nevermind. I leave you with this statement "Travel and see".

proof me wrong, if what I wrote there is not attainable. the house rent I even inflated because my own sister pays £150 in shared flat. sure, I will definitely ''travel and see".

humberjade:


Yeah, but I have not being in contact with them for some time now. I know someone who is traveling there on a student visa late August or early Sept

Alright...sorry to ask,which region are u from.

faceland:


Every normal human being in western country has more than one job. How many hours would it take an African to sweep oyinbo street? What are they doing with the reminding 20+ hours of the day?

The street sweeper also belongs to a union that would take care of them if they fall sick. If I go and slap the street sweeper and he report, an officer would spend hours searching for me on CCTV and the street and most importantly, if the street sweeper stay away from crime and work on himself, he can make it.

It is not normal to have two jobs. You do that because both jobs are underpaid. A Doctor or an IT Software engineer will have two jobs? For what?

okeysoninv:
it's someone that survive that builds house, all your bills can't reach 30% of ur monthly salary.

For a minimum wage earner?!? Even with shared apartment on minimum wage your bills will easily go above 30% of your wages. This is why people abroad no dey welcome others. No dey use Naija eye take guage bills abroad

They want to maintain the improper equation. They are scared of balanced equation

krissconnect:
These past weeks, I've been reaching out to my friends who are abroad to help me with links or advices to move abroad too. But I discovered that none of them decided to help, instead they discouraged me either by saying, "it's difficult to move now or the country isn't issuing visa now".

One of my guy in CANADA defiantly ignored my text when I asked him for links or the route he used to move, the other in Korea said the country isn't issuing visa now but he recently moved back and another directly said that it's very hard to get visas now to travel. But one Asian American in the States gave me lots of links to move to the State and even encouraged me to move.

But then I don't understand why our African brothers over there will never encourage or advice someone willing to move. Is it envy or greediness or what? I've never had any of my guy abroad encourage me to move when I asked for advice. If things are difficult over there, why not come home?

NB: I never asked them for fund cos the money is available.

When you get there you will know why

8stargeneral:
Alright...sorry to ask,which region are u from.

Why do you ask?

I am a Nigerian, which region are you from?

donmik:
This is a very good post pls.

I have always heard the same from them too.

The last man would tell u this our current mess called economy is better tha that of the US.

Saying u can have a very good meal here with #500.

But he forgot that the very good meal here is a trash in quality compared to the very good meal there which like 2 dollars can afford.

Imagine earning #2million a week there but telling me here is better.

They fear burden of residence and scare from arrest in case of any illegality related to who concerns them.

They also fear the cost of helping us to secure accommodation for the mean time.

It's well sha. All up to who thinks he has made heaven. But no matter how high the hill a bird flies to, it is still on this earth.

There is no where in America where you can get a good meal for $2 , maybe in a fictional America but not the real USA.

okuta007:


I have been to Brazil a few times - there is nothing there and you know it

Brazil is a fvcking shithole, that is why 90% of Nigerians living there are arrested at MMIA trying to smuggle drugs into Nigeria.

olaolaking:
He has legal paper. He is not doing so bad but if he has what he has there here, he will enjoy life more.

Apart from infrastructures. Don't places are not really better

Apart from infrastructures, in what other ways is Nigeria/Africa better than Australia?

Lvgirl:



It's not easy. As blacks we don't like to help each other grow.
If they help you move who will welcome them when they are back home. Such is our mentality here in country.
We like to enslave each other.
Many years ago a friend told me there is nothing in Brazil. He will be back next month ,keep telling me next month
I made my way therei didn't Inform him.
We met in a mall where I work as a security guard. The guy nearly run mad seeing me.


I thank God

This is so funny.

I can imagine the reaction on his face.

Raregem9000:
Find his own way? Remember, we rise by lifting others up. I experienced same thing the poster was saying three years ago. I have a cousin who lives abroad. He has been there for a decade now and i only asked him to just help with an invite while i pay for every money that will be spent and i will work things out when i get there. Note: I'm paying for everything. This my cousin kept on giving me stories like it's not easy there that i shouldn't come. He even said i should use the money i had with me to start a business in Nigeria instead of coming there. I was like why are you still there if it's not easy? I just bone him and block him on every social platforms. A year after, i went to an agent to help on a Canadian Visa but i was duped. I'm looking forward to doing all by myself when i'm ready to go on the adventure again without involving any agent and when the soup is done, i would unblock that my cousin, so that he can see that what he failed to help me with has been achieved.

Lols, when you come here, you will understand better....

You say they pay bills. Let me ask you. Don't we pays bills here in Nigeria with our meagre salary that is not enough to take home? Or do we pay bills with our saliva?

You say they pay taxes. Don't we Civil Servants and even some workers in private institutions also pay taxes?

The people who shout taxes...taxes abroad are people who when they were in Nigeria were probably into business and have never known or experienced what paying taxes look like.

So going abroad and working for the first time while living in a system that operates give unto Caesar's what's Caesar's, taxation has become a foreign subject they are forced to live with and it has become a big problem to them.

If u know how much Civil servants in Nigeria pay as taxes, u won't complain.

You say they pay rent bla bla bla...Don't we also pay rent, pay for electricity, buy gas for cooking, buy gas for car, buy gas for generator, pay for water, (yes...we pay for water in Nigeria too Incase u don't know) pay for waste disposal (PSP), pay for security, pay for food, pay for Cable subscription (Nothing shows on normal TV again Incase u don't know), Pay for Phone Airtime, Pay For Internet Subscription all with our meagre salaries coupled with the harsh economic state of Nigeria

Some people are talking minimum wage yet some people monthly salary are far below the minimum wage. In Nigeria where some graduates are collecting just N30K per month as salary.

No wonder Neuropsychiatric Hospital Aro, Abeokuta is filled up with lots of young people as patients.

Abeg, make everybody for abroad shift pack well jare.

humberjade:


Why do you ask?

I am a Nigerian, which region are you from?

lol..from Nigeria to bro,from east

Selfish

airsaylongcome:


For a minimum wage earner?!? Even with shared apartment on minimum wage your bills will easily go above 30% of your wages. This is why people abroad no dey welcome others. No dey use Naija eye take guage bills abroad

it's not true in UK. your bills can't pass above that . it will be even be lesser with shared flat.

ednut1:
click my profile. I am in Canada lol. Go on LinkedIn and see Nigerians in top banks and companies. Its not easy but as long as you keep applying one will click

which LinkedIn?
Lies

okeysoninv:
it's not true in UK. your bills can't pass above that . it will be even be lesser with shared flat.

Are you saying this based on experience living in the UK or you are assuming? Because I tell you for free based on experience that it's not possible