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Re: Is Heaven Made For Christians Only? by Kobojunkie: 5:12pm On Sep 13, 2022 |
shinealight:1. Wrong! The creator's Will refers to His Law being upheld here on earth as it is being Upheld in Heaven as well. The Law in question is Jesus Christ, God's New Covenant, and Gospel in the Kingdom of God which begins right here on earth with His followers who are described as living here on earth but are not of this world. 2. Again, Wrong! What you refer to as the 10 commandments are instead the first 10 commandments of what is the constitution of the Nation of Israel, crafted and given by God to the descendants of Israel for living in the Kingdom of Canaan, a Kingdom that is of this world. The constitution consists of a total of about 613 statues and commandments and belongs only to those who are of the blood of Jacob - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20 - God's Will in the Land of Canaan. 3. In scripture, God's Will essentially refers to God's Law, His testament to His people, and not to the general principles of nature. 4. Again, wrong! According to Jesus Christ, the one who is God's Law and King in the Kingdom of God, except a man is born-again, He cannot enter into the Kingdom of God - John 3 vs 1 - 8 - where Heaven and Hell are both abodes in - Matthew 7 vs 13 - 14 & Luke 13 vs 22 - 27 & Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46. Jesus Christ clearly explained His teaching that He alone is Law in the Kingdom of God and that Heaven and Hell are His jurisdictions - The Kingdom of God. |
Re: Is Heaven Made For Christians Only? by Kobojunkie: 5:13pm On Sep 13, 2022 |
OLOKOESHIN:Are you trying to tell me that you are a pentecostal or what? Again... 1. The religion of which God is love? |
Re: Is Heaven Made For Christians Only? by Kobojunkie: 5:14pm On Sep 13, 2022 |
ezechi242:What has any of that to do with this topic please? |
Re: Is Heaven Made For Christians Only? by Kobojunkie: 5:14pm On Sep 13, 2022 |
Nicenixon:For all unbelievers... from dust, you(mind, body, and soul) were made and to dust, you(mind, body, and soul) shall return ... remains God's judgment since the time of Adam and Eve - Genesis 3 vs 19 |
Re: Is Heaven Made For Christians Only? by Kobojunkie: 5:16pm On Sep 13, 2022 |
Backlaw406:That lie was born of the mouth of your pastors and mogs. There are many recorded as righteous in scripture, many of them of God's Old Law of Moses. |
Re: Is Heaven Made For Christians Only? by Kobojunkie: 5:17pm On Sep 13, 2022 |
Investortg:Did God ask you for this what you call True religion though? |
Re: Is Heaven Made For Christians Only? by OLOKOESHIN: 5:21pm On Sep 13, 2022 |
Kobojunkie:Rest I'm not pentecostal and can never |
Re: Is Heaven Made For Christians Only? by Kobojunkie: 5:22pm On Sep 13, 2022 |
Oyinlomobambam:1. As far as it concerns all unbelievers - both those born before Jesus Christ and those during and after Jesus Christ - ... from dust, you(mind, body, and soul) were made and to dust, you(mind, body, and soul) shall return ... remains God's judgment since the time of Adam and Eve - Genesis 3 vs 19 2. God never asked men to bow to any religion. Instead, what He said is that they submit to and obey His Law as given to them by Him. Jesus Christ is God's Law in the Kingdom of God, and only those who are born-again can enter into the Kingdom of God - John 3 vs 1 - 8 - where both Heaven and Hell are domains in - Matthew 7 vs 13 - 14 & Luke 13 vs 22 - 27 & Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46. What that means is everybody who will end up in either Heaven or Hell will all be born-agains; the bad ones among them will end up in Hell of course. |
Re: Is Heaven Made For Christians Only? by Kobojunkie: 5:23pm On Sep 13, 2022 |
OLOKOESHIN:So you are not confident enough about this God whose religion you claim is love then? |
Re: Is Heaven Made For Christians Only? by Kobojunkie: 5:24pm On Sep 13, 2022 |
Safiatu:That is not according to Jesus Christ though. |
Re: Is Heaven Made For Christians Only? by Kobojunkie: 5:28pm On Sep 13, 2022 |
duro4chang:According to Jesus Christ, except a man is born-again, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God - John 3 vs 1 - 8 - where Heaven and Hell are both domains in - Matthew 7 vs 13 - 14 & Luke 13 vs 22 - 27 & Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46. What this means that is all those who will end up in Heaven and in Hell are all born-again. The woman you mentioned couldn't have been speaking of the same Heaven that Jesus Christ preached of. Why? Because Heaven and Hell remain closed for admission until after Jesus Christ returns and first judges every one of His flock. So, what the woman saw was more likely born of a delusion she experienced instead. |
Re: Is Heaven Made For Christians Only? by Tobechuckwu(m): 5:29pm On Sep 13, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: I think u have problem with words. I said Jesus went to Abraham bossom which is paradise which is not heaven in the first place. Abraham bossom or paradise is beneath not far from hell. If u read the case of the rich wicked man nd poor Lazarus, u will noticed that the rich wicked man in hell was speaking to Abraham about the Lazarus to send him nd bring water for him in hell. Heaven is above, Jesus Christ went to heaven with His blood first |
Re: Is Heaven Made For Christians Only? by Kobojunkie: 5:29pm On Sep 13, 2022 |
ayo2008:Even all those who will end up in Hell are all born-again Christians. |
Re: Is Heaven Made For Christians Only? by paul100(m): 5:32pm On Sep 13, 2022 |
Kobojunkie:Okay you are actually the right one here.I read it again especially the amplified version.I was wrong at first. According to amplified version.Those that sinned but knew nothing about the law will not be judged or condemned but they will perish,that means death and change to dust and we that know the law will be judged by the law.Thanks anyways. Edit:So does that mean that our ancestors that did not know anything about the law and Jesus Christ all turned back to dust,no judgment for them according to what the bible said??
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Re: Is Heaven Made For Christians Only? by Tobechuckwu(m): 5:34pm On Sep 13, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: God is a Righteous God. He will definitely give everyone equal opportunity to hear the gospel. For the Bible to say the gospel must be preached throughout the world as a witness shows that there won't be any excuse of not hearing the gospel from anyone. Believing the gospel or not is a choice that everyone has to take. God is a Righteous Judge... The gospel is for everyone to hear |
Re: Is Heaven Made For Christians Only? by Kobojunkie: 5:38pm On Sep 13, 2022 |
Tobechuckwu:1. Abraham's bossom exists for those of God's Old Covenant and is here on this earth. However, As taught by Jesus Christ, Hell(Eternal damnation) exists instead in the Kingdom of God where Jesus Christ rules - 2. The story of Lazarus and the rich man was a Parable and was not meant to be interpreted literally. Hell for the Old Covenant folks was a place where souls went to perish, whereas paradise was a place where souls slept awaiting the resurrection as promised them by God. All of this, again, of God's Old Covenant Law of Moses - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20 3. In Jesus Christ, however, Heaven(True Life) and Hell(Eternal Damnation) both exist in the Kingdom of God where Jesus Christ rules over as King over Heaven and King over Hell - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 |
Re: Is Heaven Made For Christians Only? by Kobojunkie: 5:39pm On Sep 13, 2022 |
paul100:For all unbelievers (those before Jesus Christ, those during, and even those after Jesus Christ) ... from dust, you(mind, body, and soul) were made and to dust, you(mind, body, and soul) shall return ... remains God's judgment since the time of Adam and Eve - Genesis 3 vs 19 |
Re: Is Heaven Made For Christians Only? by Kobojunkie: 5:42pm On Sep 13, 2022 |
Tobechuckwu:Sure, I would also like to believe that all should get a chance at hearing the Gospel, but God is also a Faithful God and He would never bend His Law in any way to fulfill that. And as stated by God's Law, except a man be born-again - born of water and of spirit - he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God - John 3 vs 1 - 8. |
Re: Is Heaven Made For Christians Only? by Kobojunkie: 5:44pm On Sep 13, 2022 |
lansile:A Terrorist who abandons his old way and accepts to follow Jesus Christ, God's New way faithfully until the end can enter into Heaven, sure. |
Re: Is Heaven Made For Christians Only? by duro4chang(m): 5:46pm On Sep 13, 2022 |
Kobojunkie:There are some issues which I think we just have to leave it like that. As you said that heaven and hell is closed now, there are many christians who have given testimonies of heaven and hell. Not only in Nigeria but even outside the country. Many of them claimed they died as a result of one reasons or the other. They were in heaven while some in hell. Again there are certain issues that we can get the correct interpretation from the bible . For instance, in our land we hear about how witches and wizards destroy lives and properties. How they turn to animals in oder to harm people. How people can just disappear through diabolical means. All these are not in the bible. Some people will die in one place and people will see them in another land. You can see this in the bible . It is only when we want to pretend that we will say all these are not true. There is nothing in the bible that we tell us that there is money ritual. To me we just have to allow some issues to rest. I am s Christian and believer in the bible expecting the coming if our Lord Jesus Christ. |
Re: Is Heaven Made For Christians Only? by Kobojunkie: 5:47pm On Sep 13, 2022 |
Yungmil:It doesn't matter what family you are born into. What matters is who you choose to believe in as an individual and how you live your life as a result of your personal beliefs. Jesus Christ clearly stated that except a man be born-again, he can't enter into the Kingdom of God where Heaven and Hell both exist in - John 3 vs 1 - 8 & Matthew 7 vs 13 - 14 & Luke 13 vs 22 - 27 & Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 . For the record, all those who will end up in Hell will also be born-agains. For all unbelievers... from dust, you(mind, body, and soul) were made and to dust, you(mind, body, and soul) shall return ... remains God's judgment since the time of Adam and Eve - Genesis 3 vs 19 |
Re: Is Heaven Made For Christians Only? by Kobojunkie: 5:48pm On Sep 13, 2022 |
Yungmil:For all unbelievers... from dust, you(mind, body, and soul) were made and to dust, you(mind, body, and soul) shall return ... remains God's judgment since the time of Adam and Eve - Genesis 3 vs 19 |
Re: Is Heaven Made For Christians Only? by Backlaw406(m): 5:55pm On Sep 13, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: I'm happy you said "in the scripture" at the era of Mose's. So I wanna ask now, was there any righteous without any sin after the death of Jesus christ until now generation that full of atrocities. If you don't misuse of people's general money, you steal directly or indirectly, no fair dealing in contract with other partner, you manipulate a contract to enrich yourself, employer not fair with employee and vice-versa. Majorly, almost everybody lies, which is the root of every sin, and you know according to "Scripture", no sin is small. So, now, tell me who has never lie, you or me?. Where is the righteous? The only thing I know that can makes one makes heaven is noting than "mercy" because the Scripture says "mercy prevails over judgement". |
Re: Is Heaven Made For Christians Only? by Kobojunkie: 5:59pm On Sep 13, 2022 |
duro4chang:1. The answers to the questions you asked have been available for over 2000 years now. The issue here is whether you accept the Truth as stated by Jesus Christ, or not. 2. Jesus Christ said over 2000 years ago that there will be nobody in Heaven and in Hell until after He returns and then judges all those who belong in His flock. So ask yourself the obvious question, did those so-called Christians then have the power of some sort to have broken into Heaven or Hell against Jesus Christ's authority? If you believe their story, then Jesus Christ is nothing but a liar. It is that simple. 3. This isn't a matter of interpretation as Jesus Christ's teachings are clear enough for anyone who cares to understand via basic human language comprehension. Scripture isn't meant to be a catalog of all that is. I mean in the same scripture you were told of a witch who raised the spirit of a prophet from the dead, and also of magicians who made canes turn into snakes, and so many other instances, so why do you really need for every single possible instance of the diabolic to be cataloged in the Bible or something before you realize their possibilities? It isn't all stories one is supposed to believe as one is instead meant to test these things, kind of like how oyinbos test most every claim to find out the truth of it. 4. Scripture is instead meant to reveal God, not man or evil, to us in the way that we would ordinarily not have been able to see Him. That is what I believe scripture is intended to help us with and since Jesus Christ made clear that He is so many times more powerful than even Satan, there is nothing for His followers to fear of the diabolical and other claims. |
Re: Is Heaven Made For Christians Only? by Tobechuckwu(m): 6:02pm On Sep 13, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: Matt 27 Vs 51-53 talked about the earthquake that happened at His death nd many saints of old rose nd went into the city, appeared to many after Jesus resurrection. At Jesus death, many bodies of saints of old rose, nd at His resurrection, they came out of their graves nd appear to many. In other words, Father Abraham, Daniel, David, Prophet Isaiah, Joshua, Caleb nd so many others came out of their graves nd appear to many in the city. The same way Jesus appeared to His disciples nd many others, same way saints of old appeared to many pple in the city. The question now is that... Why were they kept in Abraham bossom or paradise after death, but not heaven? Bcuz the word of God can't contradict itself... Except a man be born again,he cannot enter the kingdom of heaven. The gospel needed to be preached to them as well. Jesus Christ preached the gospel to them in Abraham bossom as well after resurrection, that was the reason they could resurrect nd seen by many in the city. The exception here are fees which God took to heaven Himself like Enoch, Elijah, Moses nd maybe some other that the Bible recorded that God took. Don't let anybody put things in ur head about the gospel, study to show urself approve. Study d word of God for urself. |
Re: Is Heaven Made For Christians Only? by Naajjii: 6:06pm On Sep 13, 2022 |
Kobojunkie:You are a liar. There was nothing like Jesus christ !! |
Re: Is Heaven Made For Christians Only? by Tobechuckwu(m): 6:06pm On Sep 13, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: Hearing the gospel nd being born again are two diff issues. Gospel must be preached nd everyone must hear it as a witness doesn't mean they will accept the gospel. It is only those who accepted the gospel that can be born again, u must know the diff here. God will not force being born again on anyone, but he will give u d chance to hear the gospel of salvation. |
Re: Is Heaven Made For Christians Only? by paul100(m): 6:08pm On Sep 13, 2022 |
Kobojunkie:You did not get me.The part in Romans we both quoted say those that don't know the law(Our ancestor never knew anything about the Law and Jesus Christ ) till the missionaries came,will perish but it never said they will be judged and condemned by the law.Hope you understand my point?? |
Re: Is Heaven Made For Christians Only? by Tobechuckwu(m): 6:15pm On Sep 13, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: Then go back nd read it for urself. The story of Lazarus nd the rich wicked man is not a parable, but a true life story. The rich wicked man begged father Abraham to help him send somebody to the earth to warn his family about eternal damnation, so u see that it's not a parable. Secondly, hell nd Abraham bossom or paradise are not in heaven. When Jesus died , he went down to hell. So hell is beneath. There's a big diff between hell nd lake of fire... In the last day, death nd hell shall be cast into the lake of fire. So there are two diff things entirely. Read d book of Revelation urself to know the diff. |
Re: Is Heaven Made For Christians Only? by shinealight(m): 6:19pm On Sep 13, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: ….And yet He was reported to have said….I have not come to abolish the Law but to fulfil them! Which Law did He come to fulfil if You, in your grandstanding, cannot even recognise that there are unbending and immutable Divine Laws that permeate and govern the entire Creation including this Earth and everything within it? People who show boundless arrogance and pomposity by describing other perceptions/perspectives as ‘Wrong’, as if they were among the the Disciples of Christ when He walked the Earth, only deserve pity while they writhe in the fullness of their ignorance!! |
Re: Is Heaven Made For Christians Only? by Kobojunkie: 6:22pm On Sep 13, 2022 |
Backlaw406:1. Not at the era of Moses but Jesus Christ. For instance, John the Baptist, Joseph, father of Jesus Christ, Zechariah and his wife Elizabeth, Anna the old prophet, Joseph of Arimathea... these are names of some of the righteous men, and women, who lived at the time of Jesus Christ. This is all recorded right there in the Gospels. 2. Of course there were still the righteous of God's Old Law of Moses even to this day. Just because you don't see them does not mean they don't exist. 3. Do you live among the Jews, even in Israel for you to claim there are absolutely none of them who live in obedience of God's Old Law of Moses? 4. Jesus Christ is God's New Law for those who are of the Kingdom of God where Heaven is a promise. He is a different Law entirely from God's Old Law of Moses which applies only to those who are born of the blood of Jacob, and, live particularly in the Land of Canaan. |
Re: Is Heaven Made For Christians Only? by Kobojunkie: 6:33pm On Sep 13, 2022 |
Tobechuckwu:According to Jesus Christ, the Gospel is to be preached to the ends of the world - not the land of the dead- before He returns. So, you are still stretching the truth too far when you make these claims of yours. |
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