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Re: Honest Question To The Christians by TenQ: 6:26am On Sep 20, 2022 |
Near1:DNA is now evolution!? You must have mixed me up with someone as I did not use your examples for anything nor did you even present any credible examples! DNA is a library of DATA and INSTRUCTIONS for the growing, building, maintenance and sustenance of cells in an organism. It is an example of a Complex System. The question I asked you which you've been dodging is: Whenever you see a complex system or meaningful interaction of data and instructions, do you assume it happened by accident or that a non-intelligent source made it? |
Re: Honest Question To The Christians by midnight378: 6:28am On Sep 20, 2022 |
TenQ: I didn't say "omnipotent", ... i said "omniscient". You can't read. i need no help from an ignoramus. Would you like an "eclxample" ? LOL So far you've been proven ignorant on the science, on the morality, on the theology, on the philosophy. Why are you here making a fool of yourself ? your FIRST job here is to demonstrate there are gods, any gods. Get you're sorry ass busy and show us there are any gods. Any at all. So far , you're batting ZERO. 3 Likes |
Re: Honest Question To The Christians by 1000WaysToLive(m): 6:35am On Sep 20, 2022 |
Is your faith in god based on misunderstanding morality and rejecting biology, TenQ? Yes? Then lol No? Then why would the answers to any moral or biological questions be relevant? You're not just wasting other peoples time, you're wasting your own. Or, if you prefer, you're wasting the time god gave us all. What do you think he thinks about that? 2 Likes |
Re: Honest Question To The Christians by 1000WaysToLive(m): 6:37am On Sep 20, 2022 |
Yes, logic is very simple..and you've routinely contradicted your own Even gone sofar as to cover god with your own logical missteps Is that a problem for you, or for a god? TenQ: |
Re: Honest Question To The Christians by 1000WaysToLive(m): 6:39am On Sep 20, 2022 |
Does your god hand craft every single snowflake..or is there something..even in your own beliefs..between intelligently created, and random? I only ask because..whenever I see something that is meaningfully complex but not man made..I think it's that thing in the middle. One of the many instances of things which were not created by any intelligent being, but also not random. If I saw my name written in the sand in the beach..I;d assume some guy named DJ wrote his name in the sand in the beach before I got there. Crazy I know! It must be an all powerful magician what scribbled two letters in the sand..obviously Not waterbugs. Not Some Guy, not me in a weird instance of forgetting things or just flat out seeing things..even though we do that, alot.... Nope. The omnipresent master of the universe. Must be that, because the only other thing it could be..is Random™....and it just can't be random......... TenQ: 1 Like |
Re: Honest Question To The Christians by TenQ: 7:01am On Sep 20, 2022 |
Near1: You fall my hands again big time. Water molecules now a system!? Do you understand what you are even writing? Let me ask you, what is the function of the water system (for every system has a purpose)? To help you; A House is a very SIMPLISTIC system! It has a roof to protect against sun and rain It has windows for visibility and ventilation . It has doors for security It may have specialised compartments as sleeping rooms, kitchen, latest rooms etc What is the function of "water system"? Near1:You've said nothing here! You are a system consisting of eyes for navigation, limbs for mobility, nostrils for perception of smell, ears for hearing etc. A wonder of God. A bacteria is a system consisting of every part to inject food, to reproduce, to move, irritability, respiration, excretion etc It still doesn't dawn on you that these are SYSTEMS and as such could not be a product of random collection of atoms!? SMH! I'm so so sorry for you! |
Re: Honest Question To The Christians by TenQ: 8:06am On Sep 20, 2022 |
1000WaysToLive:You still don't get itnas you are so naive. Ice crystals not water I presume you mean to say is NOT a system. If it is what are the functionalities? Why didn't you respond to my questions? When you see a house, you don't assume it built itself When you see a helicopter, you don't assume metals just randomly glued themselves together When you see a computer, you doesn't ever thing itself assembled itself. All these are systems any one can say the function of their components. |
Re: Honest Question To The Christians by TenQ: 8:07am On Sep 20, 2022 |
1000WaysToLive:How? |
Re: Honest Question To The Christians by TenQ: 8:12am On Sep 20, 2022 |
1000WaysToLive:DNA is a highly complex system and Library. A collection of Data , Information and Instructions that guides every cell in an organism. Within this highly complex DNA is the capacity evolve (for use of better words) Have you ever fathomed that such a complex system existing a product of random assembly of atoms? |
Re: Honest Question To The Christians by TenQ: 8:15am On Sep 20, 2022 |
midnight378:Most Atheists like you are powered by the same unclean spirit, so your uncouth nature is not surprising. See how he is changing goalpost all about ; the trashing of a drowning man. I can see you've demonstrated mastery and brilliance in in the sciences, morality, theology and on philosophy. It's so evident: I wish to come and learn from you! LOL!! |
Re: Honest Question To The Christians by TenQ: 8:17am On Sep 20, 2022 |
1000WaysToLive:Does the maker of an internal combustion engine reserve the right to specify the fuel that it should be powered with? |
Re: Honest Question To The Christians by TenQ: 8:28am On Sep 20, 2022 |
chryssanthe:Does the DNA contain data? Does the DNA contain information? Does the DNA contain instructions? If you don't understand the above, where does the information regarding the color of your eyes, hair type and color, etc located. In your spleen!? LOL! Even though no where have I said the DNA is a code in this thread, but it is. Intact if you know anything about OOP in computer science you will understand why it is a strong PARALLEL between computer code and the DNA. |
Re: Honest Question To The Christians by TenQ: 8:35am On Sep 20, 2022 |
FemiAjani:All you needed to do was to falsify my argument and not resort to whether it is an ATHEISTIC or theological argument. When you see a Complex System carrying data and instructions, would you assume it randomly and spontaneously came to existence OR THAT an intelligent being must have made it? It is a simple Question! FemiAjani post=116832760:Why wouldn't you think a Crab or Fish did the writing? Why would you ascribe such writings to be from a highly intelligent being (human) and not a dog? The ball in your court! |
Re: Honest Question To The Christians by TenQ: 8:38am On Sep 20, 2022 |
midnight378:Since you have a conscience, has your conscience EVER forced you to do anything against your FREEWILL? Next time, Analyse your thoughts before posting! |
Re: Honest Question To The Christians by TenQ: 8:41am On Sep 20, 2022 |
midnight378:Ands are NOT intelligent! Bees are NOT intelligent !! Governments are not intelligent!!! Which school did you attend please, maybe I should transfer my studentship. They are doing a good job with you. Khai: Wannabe Atheist reasoning at its best! |
Re: Honest Question To The Christians by TenQ: 8:44am On Sep 20, 2022 |
1000WaysToLive:So why are you commenting on morality and the subject of subjectivity or objectivity? When did I post this? And you've already explained that the assumption of such laws is unwarranted, delusional, and incorrect. Like their father, always lying! |
Re: Honest Question To The Christians by 1000WaysToLive(m): 8:51pm On Sep 20, 2022 |
YOU SAID: "So why are you commenting on morality and the subject of subjectivity or objectivity?" So I should not have said anything, and let you continue to make a fool of yourself? YOU SAID: "When did I post this?" It's possible that I've misunderstood you, especially since you're committed to novel uses of the terms. I guess I could always ask again: Do you believe that gods moral code is subjective? That there's nothing really wrong with x, y, or z. That right and wrong are -whatever- god decides they are? If so, it would be incorrect to state that something was really right or really wrong with x y or z. If so, it would be delusional to believe as much. Do you think that incorrect and delusional beliefs are warranted? TenQ: 2 Likes |
Re: Honest Question To The Christians by 1000WaysToLive(m): 8:52pm On Sep 20, 2022 |
It is called "evolution" for a reason. Species "evolved" to eat or be eaten and protected themselves. Not that it happened overnight, but the idea is that small mutations/advantages matter. Be just 1% faster and you don't get eaten. A bit of scaley shell might save your life. No real eye, but a slight perception of light means a predator. A bigger tail means a bit more escape. It doesn't take much advantage to pass your genes on. A .001% advantage works just fine in the long run. Evolution is just a matter of small changes over time. Consider the eye (a favorite of "intellegent design". No fish ever woke up and thought "wow, I have an eye and I can see". First, there were light-detecting cells. Then some sea-creatures had a DNA change that focussed cupped the light slightly. It went on from there. All evolution is, is the slight advantage of minor physical variations among individuals. Most variations are not beneficial and so are not passed along to offspring. Some are neutral. A very few are beneficial and give an advantage to the offspring. Regarding your specific question, once intelligence evolved among humans for the same advantageous reasons, group competition favored those who could gain favor with others. This required cooperation. "Conscience" probably came from a need to understand what others were thinking and how to get along with them best. As in "if I don't steal their fruit, maybe they won't steal mine". I'm not saying that is proven. It is just a best understanding at the moment. That can be debated. But the general idea of evolution cannot. It seems pretty solid. TenQ: |
Re: Honest Question To The Christians by 1000WaysToLive(m): 8:53pm On Sep 20, 2022 |
You may accept it as the truth. The rest of us do not. Therefore it is subjective truth: things true or false with respect to whether or not a person holds to them, not true or false with respect to whether or not they accurately report the facts they purport to report. That's actually why I don't find your lines of questioning/argument credible. We're all very aware of the difference...by personal experience. That you feel compelled to go out and say these things..anyway, is nothing more than a product of shamans and witchdoctors telling people who they don't respect silly things.. and you people then go out into the world to show other people who don't listen to their shamans and witchdoctors... just how little their own religious betters think of them. It's disrespectful, and bad....objectively. Many of your arguments are based on contemporary apologism, which is geared towards the assumption of subjective and relativistic values in it's audience. It's a cold call script. Nothing new to see here TenQ: 2 Likes |
Re: Honest Question To The Christians by 1000WaysToLive(m): 8:55pm On Sep 20, 2022 |
@bold You can feel sorry for whomever you like, but feeling sorry for people is non-cognitive..and you're..ostensibly, having some disagreement over facts, not your feels. TenQ: 3 Likes |
Re: Honest Question To The Christians by 1000WaysToLive(m): 8:56pm On Sep 20, 2022 |
YOU SAID: "You still don't get itnas you are so naive. Ice crystals not water I presume you mean to say is NOT a system. If it is what are the functionalities?" I'm not asking you anything about systems, I'm suggesting that there's something between intelligently designed and random..and..from this response, it looks like you're fully aware that there is. So I don't need to argue anything. QED, your logic was hot garbage. It's not actually the case, even according to you, that things are either intelligently created or random. YOU SAID: "Why don't you respond to my questions?" Is lying wrong subjectively..or objectively? I think the better questions for you to be asking are: A: Who told you any of this stuff you've told us, and why do they think so little of you? B: Why did you believe them? C: Why are you so ill-prepared for the many answers to your inane questions that you have demonstrably received? You can't do anything about A. Other people do what they do, think of you what they do..in the end. You can't do anything about B, it's in the past, already happened. You could, though, do something about C. You could pay attention, you could learn. In some future conversation, you could represent your beliefs well..instead of...whatever this has been. TenQ: 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Honest Question To The Christians by 1000WaysToLive(m): 8:57pm On Sep 20, 2022 |
Not in point of fact, and certainly not morally...lol. He can suggest whatever he likes, and stomp his foot when people do otherwise..like inventing biofuels that work with standard combustion engines..but something tells me you want more than that, for your god? More than a small minded engineer who could never comprehend what other and even more brilliant uses people might come up for his invention... throwing a fit, and threatening people who won't friend him. I'll say this, you won't listen, and your own posts will be a shitshow forever...but. You need to start over. None of whatever you've been ingesting works. TenQ: 1 Like |
Re: Honest Question To The Christians by 1000WaysToLive(m): 8:58pm On Sep 20, 2022 |
If you believe that dna requires a coder or programmer..you're in luck. In a naturalistic world, the environment codes and programs dna. In fairness..in a god-breathed world..the environment is -still- the thing that codes and programs dna...in much the same way that people use computers, in mere reality, to write code for us. Do you think that the environment is intelligent? Do you think that code generating computers are intelligent? TenQ: 1 Like |
Re: Honest Question To The Christians by 1000WaysToLive(m): 9:05pm On Sep 20, 2022 |
Excellent, so you don't believe that processes are necessarily intelligent. Heredity is a biological process. Another item on the list checked off. Do you believe in FREEWILL though? TenQ: 2 Likes |
Re: Honest Question To The Christians by 1000WaysToLive(m): 9:07pm On Sep 20, 2022 |
Are we abandoning morality and biology for FREEWILL? TenQ: |
Re: Honest Question To The Christians by TenQ: 9:14pm On Sep 20, 2022 |
1000WaysToLive:So you have only conscience but no freewill? |
Re: Honest Question To The Christians by TenQ: 9:15pm On Sep 20, 2022 |
1000WaysToLive:Your claims again! Ants are NOT intelligent! Bees are NOT intelligent !! Governments are not intelligent!!! You truly have no shame! |
Re: Honest Question To The Christians by TenQ: 9:17pm On Sep 20, 2022 |
1000WaysToLive:So, the environment is intelligent!? And ants and bees are not intelligent!? SMH!! |
Re: Honest Question To The Christians by TenQ: 9:18pm On Sep 20, 2022 |
1000WaysToLive:? |
Re: Honest Question To The Christians by 1000WaysToLive(m): 9:40pm On Sep 20, 2022 |
Yes, those are the questions. On the one hand, you claim that complex things require a designer- an intelligence. On the other, you claim that complex things like ant hills and bee hives -do not- require a designer, an intelligence. Which one of those two assholes has it right? Just as I wonder which of you two assholes that tell us gods moral code is subjective...and that tell us gods moral code is objective..has it right. At some point, you have to pick a lane, I'm afraid. You think one or the other contradictory thing which you've said - and I don't think there's any point in continuing until you can decide for yourself which one it is..in this, and other, contexts. Or, I can remain silent, and allow you to continue to make a fool of yourself. Never got resolution on that one. TenQ: 4 Likes |
Re: Honest Question To The Christians by chryssanthe(f): 9:53pm On Sep 20, 2022 |
TenQ: Environmental pressure determines which individual species will succeed and which will not; which will reproduce and which will not and which will survive in a given envrionment and which will die out. As much as 99.9% of all the species that have ever lived on this planet have died out. That's 99.9 PERCENT !!! The reason all those species do not exist anymore is because the environment changed drastically The envirionment is not intelligent in and of itself, you fucking idiot. Jeeeeez! Go read a science book! 3 Likes |
Re: Honest Question To The Christians by TenQ: 9:58pm On Sep 20, 2022 |
chryssanthe:You should have directed your venom to your fellow atheist who made the claims! See what Atheism is morphing you into in RED! |
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