olabolaji:


It does not matter, the king is law he can name her as heir as that's what he want and don't forget Otto himself manipulate the king to name rhaenyra heir instead of Daemon who is the king's heir due to lack of male child. Now the table has turned and now he wants it the other way which shows Otto only want the throne for his house not for the good of the kingdom.

If viserys had been a ruthless ruler he would have crush the rebellion sooner before he died cos he saw it coming but just decide to be a peacemaker all the time.

otto highhtower's advise was good at the time for not declaring daemon hier bcus he would have been a tryant, they all knew it, they avoided that situation by naming the princess. But the king would still remarry and a male child would be born who would take his place, the lady rhaena made this clear to the princess when she presented little laena as a match to the king, that Remarrying was inevitable and no woman has ever ascended the ironthrone right from Aegon the conqueror, that menwage wars an women birth hiers, Even used herself as an example, the queen who never was

Otto aside if lady Leana had been offage at the time, she would have been made queen bcus everyone knew marrying the seasnake was the best choice for the kingdom, But blinded by love and circumstance he chose Alicent,now a son Aegon is born and the iron throne is his birthright and not rhaenyra, or the Kingdom will tear itself apart,every common man in the street of Westeros knows this, as rhaenyra saw when she went adventuring into a carnival dressed as a boy

Even the king vicerys was chosen to be king over Rhaenys-the oldest female relative(the queen who never was) yet he decides to choose Rhaenyra over Aegon as Hier, which is against thier gods and men

Reex12:
otto highhtower's advise was good at the time for not declaring daemon hier bcus he would have been a tryant, they all knew it, but they were avoided that situation by naming the princess. But the king would still remarry and a male heir would be born, the lady rhaena made this known to the princess when she presented her daughter as a match the king Remarrying was inevitable.

Otto aside if lady Leana had been offage


at the time, she would have been made queen bcus everyone knew marrying the seasnake was the best choice for the kingdom, But blinded by love and circumstance he chose Alicent,now a son Aegon is born and the iron throne is his birthright and not rhaenyra, or the Kingdom will tear itself apart,every common man in the street of Westeros knows this, as rhaenyra saw when she went adventuring into a carnival dressed as a boy

Even the king vicerys was chosen to be king over Rhaenys-the oldest female relative(the queen who never was) yet he decides to choose Rhaenyra over Aegon as Hier, which is against thier gods and men

No the iron throne wasn't aegon's birthright cos viserys had named rhaenyra heir, it could only be his own if viserys had changed his mind about the succession which Otto was clearly trying to get viserys to do by constantly spying and reporting rhaenyra to the king before he got himself fired.

That aside, viserys was chosen over rhaenys by the great council called by king jahaerys meaning he could have made rhaenys his heir but chose to made the lords choose the heir. Now that's That's jahaerys law and everybody was happy but viserys in his own capacity chose his daughter as heir. He made it law, made all the lords swear to her including Otto which makes going against the law he made a treason.

Everyone maybe love the idea of a male being considered before a female but the king made his daughter his heir and didn't change it till he died so the law should stand, anyone going against it is committing treason.

Reex12:
otto highhtower's advise was good at the time for not declaring daemon hier bcus he would have been a tryant, they all knew it, they avoided that situation by naming the princess. But the king would still remarry and a male child would be born who would take his place, the lady rhaena made this known to the princess when she presented her daughter as a match to the king, that no woman has ascended the ironthrone used herself as an example, So Remarrying inevitable.

Otto aside if lady Leana had been offage at the time, she would have been made queen bcus everyone knew marrying the seasnake was the best choice for the kingdom, But blinded by love and circumstance he chose Alicent,now a son Aegon is born and the iron throne is his birthright and not rhaenyra, or the Kingdom will tear itself apart,every common man in the street of Westeros knows this, as rhaenyra saw when she went adventuring into a carnival dressed as a boy

Even the king vicerys was chosen to be king over Rhaenys-the oldest female relative(the queen who never was) yet he decides to choose Rhaenyra over Aegon as Hier, which is against thier gods and men

Quite an articulate missive.

If the king want aegon as heir he would have changed it before his death

olabolaji:
If the king want aegon as heir he would have changed it before his death

the king was blinded by the love for his daughter and was even rather afraid of her as a youth, he wanted peace and only left her as hier as honour to her mother who he caused grief while looking for a son, if he wanted rhaenyra as Hier initially why risk his mother's life to save the boy instead just saving her mother and letting the child die, then name rhaenyra hier

Reex12:
the king was blinded by the love for his daughter and was even rather afraid of her as a youth, he wanted peace and only left her as hier as honour to her mother who he caused grief while looking for a son, if he wanted rhaenyra as Hier initially why risk his mother's life to save the boy instead just saving her mother and letting the child die, then name rhaenyra hier

But he sha made her heir and didn't change anything before his death. Na wetin cause war be that

If Jon snow publicly declared his heritage who do you think men will bow to? Despite Dany being a Targaryen and mother of Dragons

Only cockless men like greyworm and the sullied would follow dany the rest of the 5kingdoms would kneel to jon

olabolaji:


But he sha made her heir and didn't change anything before his death. Na wetin cause war be that

even Daemon knows Aegon standing but his quest for power makes him loyal to his wife,
her kids are bastards for crying outloud, reason Daemon couldnt wife misaeryia the LovePeddler for she will beget bastards and not trueborns,

In GOT isn't this what caused stannis and his gay brother to lay claim the throne after rumors the fatman's kids weren't his

Reex12:
even Daemon knows Aegon standing but his quest for power makes him loyal to his wife,
her kids are bastards for crying outloud, reason Daemon couldnt wife misaeryia the LovePeddler for she will beget bastards and not trueborns,

In GOT isn't this what caused stannis and his gay brother to lay claim the throne after rumors the fatman's kids weren't his

Her kids are bastards even her husband knew about it but he didn't deny them as his own trueborn sons, their grandfather claim them so where's the problem. Even kings can legitimize a bastard

Reex12:
If Jon snow publicly declared his heritage who do you think men will bow to? Despite Dany being a Targaryen and mother of Dragons

Only cockless men like greyworm and the sullied would follow dany the rest of the 5kingdoms would kneel to jon

Even if Jon snow declare his heritage there's still a baratheon/Lannister Queen on the throne, the only way to get the throne is going to war and reclaiming the throne as their forefather once did by conquest. So the lord can declare for whomever they want but whoever win the war get the throne

olabolaji:


Her kids are bastards even her husband knew about it but he didn't deny them as his own trueborn sons, their grandfather claim them so where's the problem. Even kings can legitimize a bastard

her lawful husband accepted them bcus it that was the agreement, his gay and cant bed a woman what do u expect, their Grandfather claimed them bcus of his blind love for his daughter, very foolish reason, kindgoms aren't ruled by emotions reason his ineffective leadership fueled the civil war and made the targareans fall from Grace

olabolaji:


Even if Jon snow declare his heritage there's still a baratheon/Lannister Queen on the throne, the only way to get the throne is going to war and reclaiming the throne as their forefather once did by conquest. So the lord can declare for whomever they want but whoever win the war get the throne

fate has a role to play in war, roberts rebellion was built on a lie, reason Jon was kept a secret for a reason but let's not go to that


If the truth about rhanearya kids is confirmed, they will be executed according to the law, despite being targaryans its why was kept as rumor bcus it's treason yo accuse a princess,same way she lost her virginity to knight, but vicerys covered it, so many controversies sorrounding that power hungry bitch but the foolish king always covers up for her bcus of his love and not to lose the throne which isn't even rightfully hers

Reex12:
fate has a role to play in war, roberts rebellion was built on a lie, reason Jon was kept a secret for a reason but let's not go to that


If the truth about rhanearya kids is confirmed, they will be executed according to the law, despite being targaryans its why was kept as rumor bcus it's treason yo accuse a princess,same way she lost her virginity to knight, but vicerys covered it, so many controversies sorrounding that power hungry bitch but the foolish king always covers up for her bcus of his love and not to lose the throne which isn't even rightfully hers

Ok I understand, Jon snow

Gr8lex:

Still no excuse bro. The fact is those kids were not sired by her legally married husband which is adultery.

That is enough ground for her to lose the throne if it becomes public knowledge.

Well, her husband knew about the arrangement and he was okay with it since he was a cock sucker.

Is it still adultery?

Reex12:
fate has a role to play in war, roberts rebellion was built on a lie, reason Jon was kept a secret for a reason but let's not go to that


If the truth about rhanearya kids is confirmed, they will be executed according to the law, despite being targaryans its why was kept as rumor bcus it's treason yo accuse a princess,same way she lost her virginity to knight, but vicerys covered it, so many controversies sorrounding that power hungry bitch but the foolish king always covers up for her bcus of his love and not to lose the throne which isn't even rightfully hers

Why do you guys keep on saying Robert's rebellion was built on a lie. It happened cuz the king at that time was crazy enough to kill Lord Stark and his heir.
The rebellion wouldn't have happened if he chose to do otherwise.

KanwuliaExtra:



You are right.
King “J” chose him not the Rhaenys-the oldest female relative. He decides to choose Rhaenyra over Daemon(too volatile as heir. Can’t blame him there. I would not choose him either. Too much like choosing Wike for VP ) His only choice was his daughter(the son he never had- a wiser, more stable personality-BUT A FEMALE! LOSER).
He can’t win with any decision. He chose his only selfish option.

Yes! He will have to deal with the consequences for doing it “his way”.✅

Rhaenys's claim doesn't supersede Viserys's claim because of her age or being the oldest female relative, both are grandchildren to the late king Jaeherys, Rhaenys's claim supersedes Visery's claim because she is the only child of the elder line of succession, i.e, she is the only child of the elder of Jaeherys's sons while Viserys and Daemon are born to the younger of Jaeherys's sons, since the line of succession automatically follows the firstborn sons, Rhaenys should have succeeded her grandfather in the stead of her late father but the younger son had male children and the lords of the realm voted to have a male successor instead of the right successor choosing the elder of the two male heirs in Viserys

TheKingIsHere:
After watching this episode, I have 3 questions that needs answers;

1. What actually caused the fight in the banquet?

2. How possible is it to punch someone in the face until the face bone/skull scatters, softens and ripped open?

3. How was Alicient present at the same time when her husband collapsed and also when Ser Criston was about to perform harakiri on himself?


Rating - 8.5/10

with a gauntlet

Zee0007:
My Episode 5 Rating

It was indeed a pretty intense episode. It was full of suspense and questions.

This is one hell of an episode that will get you racking your brain. Too many unanswered questions.

Observations:

1) I think Alicent might be having feelings for the princess. She seems so perturbed with the princess's love life.

Alicent is one dangerous character to toil with. I sense the simpleton—Ser Cre will become her puppet.

2) The tea. Yes, the tea!

3) How can a fall from a horse incapacitate Rha. That scene seems so weak for me.

4) Daemon deserve an Oscar for his role in this episode. He's so good.

5) How can Alicent be caught in between two important scenes. Her husband collapsing and Her newly found ally—Ser Cre.

I will rate this episode 7/10.

in some circumstances spines are fractured, ribs crushed, skulls cracked so yes, worse can happen in a fall from a horse depending on where and how you land, so being winded is generally the norm

chukwugoziegi:


The diabetes should have killed him since but I don't know why they're still keeping him alive.

it is not diabetes, it is a severe form of leprosy

aieromon:
King Viserys has suffered in the hands of the writers.

no, his portrayal is the best so far amongst all the characters going by the book

dubylhover:


King viserys a great king? he's just a weakling who has been making poor decisions that has landed his family at this stage..where was his emotions when he married his daughters best friend? What did he think would happen when he maintained his daughter as heir knowing fully well that even himself got the crown cos he's a man .especially after having sons .he was just setting his family up for doom,and like Daemon said,he's a bad ruler

the only power that can destroy the house of the dragon is the house of the dragon, that is the only philosophy Viserys is guided by and that is why at all costs he always tries to maintain peace amongst all the living targaryeans in a balancing act, going by the result of the civil war he was right, he was the wisest targaryean of that generation in my opinion, the rest of them had too much fire in their hearts and too much blood in their eyes

TheKingIsHere:
Omo!! See kasala everywhere

Everyone is calling Viserys a weak king but from another angle, this guy doesn't want unnecessary bloodshed. Wanting peace doesn't make him weak as some people tag him.

He already knows that those children are bastards but because of the love he has for Rhenyra and his willingness to make her heir, he took them as they were.

Children showing the adults how to fight was quite refreshing lol

Score - 9/10

no you're wrong, he knows the children are not velaryons but he knows they are targaryeans and dragon riders, that is the only bloodline/fact that matters to a targaryean!
Even corlys velaryon knows too but he knows that fire in the blood supersedes saltwater in the blood so he fully supports it, valyria of old before the doom was great because they were dragonriders not because they were seafarers, from his perspective, almost half of the dragonriders in westeros at that point in time were named velaryon, added to his wealth and maritime strength he was unarguably the second most powerful man heading the second most powerful house in westeros, that is why he could afford to snub the king if he felt his house was maligned. Game of thrones is about power, a fact that corlys understood

pu7pl3:


How is Rhaenyra losing?
I know we all loved how Almond(pun intended) was badass and claimed Vhagar but how did that automatically tip the scales to Allicunt?

Only the union between Daemon and Rhaenyra will send shockwaves throughout the 7 kingdoms and they still have a legit claim to the Valyryon throne.
She is winning.

One word, ----- Vhaegar!

There are dragons and there are dragons, once there was balerion the black dread! On his death, the title of baddest ever liveth passed to Vhaegar, Vhaegar to other dragons is like s fight between an armoured tank and a pistol

pu7pl3:


You never heard of a hyperbole? Thats what Otto was doing.
Don't also forget the Vhagar they're putting their hopes on is also familiar with Daemon.

familiarity means shyte to a dragon, a dragon will only serve one master at a time, all else be damned, the dance will show my claim to be true

JoshTheStoic:
Dragons don't win war. Let not forget we have the third faction too, Sea snake might be someone the two sides need to watch out for

read the books bro, the war didn't end even when all armies where depleted, the war ended effectively when the last combatant dragons died

JoshTheStoic:
We should look at it this way... Rhaenyra and Daemon+ all children are one piece, House Hightower (Alicient, Otto and children) are another. What makes the difference is alliances with other houses, like House Strong now is with Alicient who is more like the intelligence, House Velaryon, other houses might come up as show proceed, like House Baratheon who I think are the Lord of the Sea too like Velaryon, House Stark (Rikon Stark), this houses might serve as the Knights and army to the war coming.

Dragons don't win wars, we can't judge with how many Dragons Daemon and Rhaenyra has or how many Alicient has, the way we saw the battle with the Crab Feeder, Episode 3 was made purposely to make fan understand that having Dragons is not really a game changer these time period as you can see
Daemon dragon was a bad news which put them on disadvantage and they had to come with another strategy, unlike during Game of Thrones that owning a Dragon was a big deal. Remember Cersie telling his comrade back then that in old times people don't fear dragon much because they can be killed.

not every army has winding stone caves to retreat into when a dragon attacks, the lords of the realm asides the lannisters in casterly rock almost all exclusively live in stone, wood and mortar castles which are proud family heirlooms they won't risk destruction to and are totally undefended and indefensible against dragons, they all have to chose a side in the war to come and many will burn down to dragon fire so you're wrong, in this war dragons will decide battles

Zee0007:


Lolz. From the narrator's opening remark in Episode 1. It was clearly stated that the only thing that can bring the house of dragon down it's itself.

King Visery onced told the young Reheanrya that what make them powerful is not what Reheanrya taught. The dragon is an illusion of their power. The little gossips and alliance are what change the course of the throne.

I still maintain. I will rather choose a creepy Lary than a dragon.

dragons win battles and wars! Unless the opponent has dragons too making it a checkmate! Underplaying the significance of dragons in the war to come is just laughable, the show is about the first and most important targaryean civil war, it's notoriety is because in this era dragons were weapons of war! It is the only of their civil wars that almost rendered their family line extinct

Adek15:
Daemon's wife that died was a dragon rider. How come she died from dragon fire

khaleesi was unique among dragon riders, she is one of the few in the entire history of targaryean dragonriders, valyrian dragonriders before them, and the empire encompassing modern day ashai by the sea before them of the emperors descended from the lion of the night who was genuinely resistant to fire, every other dragon rider had high tolerance for heat but they weren't fireproof

BraniacX:
Rhaenys's claim doesn't supersede Viserys's claim because of her age or being the oldest female relative, both are grandchildren to the late king Jaeherys, Rhaenys's claim supersedes Visery's claim because she is the only child of the elder line of succession, i.e, she is the only child of the elder of Jaeherys's sons while Viserys and Daemon are born to the younger of Jaeherys's sons, since the line of succession automatically follows the firstborn sons, Rhaenys should have succeeded her grandfather in the stead of her late father but the younger son had male children and the lords of the realm voted to have a male successor instead of the right successor choosing the elder of the two male heirs in Viserys

Yes oooooh!
King “J” has died.
The “Dance Of The Dragons has begun!


It doesn’t matter who ascends the throne. It is bound TO GO DOWWWWWWN!

It is gonna be FIGHT TO THE LAST DRAGON!

oyetpel:


Ep 8 was Viserys moment.

But was it the queen that chopped off his eyes because of Aemond's eye?

Viserys deserves an emmy for his portrayal of the dying king! Kudos to the actor Paddy Considine who played him, he brought to life the embodiment of willpower against the assault of a dying body to impose his will in favour of his daughter and grandchildren one last time, the only blood that matters is the blood of the dragon

Gr8lex:

He did rule well except for the part where he stuck with Rhaenyra as his heir despite knowing that her kids are bastards, knowing that those kids will sit the iron throne after their mother.

He basically chose bastards to sit the iron throne over his own blood. I don't think that's wise.

I also think Viserys died in this episode.

you guys are missing the entire point, you are relating this to game of thrones without understanding the difference! The plot here is not whether or not the kids are legal heirs, they are in the eye of the law by the way, or whether they have the blood, their line of descent only counts from their mother, they have their mother's blood and that is all that counts, it is about whether they can destroy the reputation of the mother in the eyes of the lords of the realm and make them see her as unworthy of succession in order to supplant her with her brother aegon as the direct male successor to Viserys

Gr8lex:

Still no excuse bro. The fact is those kids were not sired by her legally married husband which is adultery.

That is enough ground for her to lose the throne if it becomes public knowledge.

lols you are using modern day morality to judge the issue, in those times the word of the king was law and targaryeans viewed themselves as above the laws of men and gods, so as a targaryean she can Bleep whoever she likes and declare her strong boys as velaryons and say to hell with whoever wants to argue with her claims, only problem in this case being, her opponents are also targaryeans