Lekan239:
the death rate in those developed country is higher than the death rate in Nigeria. People also die every seconds there

What's the life expectancy in the UK?
What's the life expectancy in Nigeria?

You are beginning to sound like a joke

Uzomarrr12345:
But seriously, there is money in Nigeria…

Even a road side vulcanizer in a good location in lagos can make up to 250k per month…

Plus , to be honest , Nigeria is the only country where you can have a business that fetches let’s say 1 million naira every month and still not even pay tax of 5k.

This is just my own thinking sha , only People in healthcare or tech or doing street are really doing big things in Europe.

Na so my guy leave him bakery business for Nigeria ,go Poland Dey earn mere 1,200 zlotyy (122k in naira) per month (after rent and other bills) , not even euros

Is this something to be proud of?

As someone who pays tax of 40% on a good sum of my take home, I can tell you that the only people looking to migrate in Nigeria who should be worried about 'high tax in the west' are our thieving politicians. The average Nigerian is better of paying higher tax if that means improvement in HDI

Uzomarrr12345:
I’m not saying Nigeria is better … but truth be told , there are more things you can EASILY start up here in Nigeria if the capital is there .

Secondly, Many business owners in Nigeria always fail to expand … for example, if you have a business here that fetches you 300/350k (after expenses) … after a year or two of savings , what stops you from recreating another one or expanding to make it 600/700k

But an average small business owner here will rather be comfortable with ONE shop for 10years… rather than trying to expand and broaden the income .

Take a step back and look at the big things.

Over the last 8 years, businesses in Nigeria have struggled. I know that as I ran a business. Simple reason? The economy has been on a decline/stagnant.

The best time for business owners was 2000- 2013. That was simply because the Nigerian economy was growing.

The growth of the economy is the primary driver of business growth

ahiboilandgas:
You stay endless in the cold in america doing per hour job and watching CNN and social media telling you at Nigeria has collapse no hope ! So who is emirate carrying from Nigeria with 21 slot weekly .How did 63000 Nigeria raised million of pounds to school in the UK , who is importing 2 bn USD tokunbo car from America, wealth 1bn usd drug 1.5 bn USD phone 600 m USD. No be same Nigerian economy that japarian say it dead ! The lekki deep sea port! If Najia is dead why will south Korea invest 2 bn USD in lekki deep sea port?

Nigeria is not dead. Little understanding of macroeconomics is the reason why the west has far outpaced Africa.

All the things you mentioned is nothing to be proud about.
Your arguments are like a cocoa farmer bragging about his riches where chocolate producers are. Same thing with Nigeria and oil. There are non-oil producers that make more from the oil business than Nigeria.

We are a country of over 200 million. On travelling thru Abuja, I noted there were 11 international flights for the whole day. One terminal in Heathrow alone will see that traffic in an hour. This is not considering the other heathrow terminals or airports in London. Uk has a population of 71 million. Your 21 weekly flights is nothing to brag about.

Regarding Kano you mention, I lived there. I was shocked at the relative lack of middle class. There are few stupendously rich folks (who typically send their kids abroad) and millions of very poor folks with no hope. There are more out of school kids in Kano than the whole of Europe and NA combined. When in Kano, my 'alarm' was sadly the back-to-back songs groups of these kids keep singing from early hours of the morning.

ttoyetade:


Is English your own native language ?. Are you not an immigrant to the UK ? Your abusive language already shows the kind of person you are. You are living in the UK and you don't know a new comer to the UK cannot earn £2,000 per month after tax within 3 months of entering UK regardless of which profession. I have lived in UK for more than 20 years and I can lecture you on how the system works. I am highly successful in the system.I don't come to Social media to boast of material possession. Get more matured and know how to exchange ideas without insulting or abusing people.

£1.3k savings is 3 months is not rocket science. I know a good number of folks who's initial take-home right from Nigeria was above £3k. With living expenses of less than £1k, saving that sum a month is well tenable.

jedisco:


Nigeria is not dead. Little understanding of macroeconomics is the reason why the west has far outpaced Africa.

All the things you mentioned is nothing to be proud about.
Your arguments are like a cocoa farmer bragging about his riches where chocolate producers are. Same thing with Nigeria and oil. There are non-oil producers that make more from the oil business than Nigeria.

We are a country of over 200 million. On travelling thru Abuja, I noted there were 11 international flights for the whole day. Heathrow alone will see that traffic in an hour. This is not considering the other airports in London. Uk has a population of 71 million. Your 21 weekly flights is nothing to brag about.

Regarding Kano you mention, I lived there. I was shocked at the relative lack of middle class. There are few stupendously rich folks (who typically send their kids abroad) and millions of very poor folks with no hope. There are more out of school kids in Kano than the whole of Europe and NA combined. When in Kano, my 'alarm' was sadly the back-to-back songs groups of these kids keep singing from early hours of the morning.

you are expanding the area of discussion unnecessary. Changing goal post. What we are saying that there some aspect of Nigeria that is better than the UK lise wise the UK. Some say a 500 bn USD economy is dead ! Please who accumulated the 800 m USD back log of flight fees in Nigeria ! This are Nigerians .

jedisco:


Take a step back and look at the big things.

Over the last 8 years, businesses in Nigeria have struggled. I know that as I ran a business. Simple reason? The economy has been on a decline/stagnant.

The best time for business owners was 2000- 2013. That was simply because the Nigerian economy was growing.

The growth of the economy is the primary driver of business growth

Talk about the business you know .

Go to Idumota market, go and see the drug business… and see how businesses are booming…

Because you ran and failed in business, you think Nigeria businesses died 2013…

So people setting up businesses after 2013 are clowns bah…to even find shop today for lagos lsland na war (very hard)

Business is not for everyone, some people are destined to be flipping burgers at McDonald’s for 7 years before they can blow

Everyone destiny isn’t the same.
Japa isn’t for everyone.

There’s the side of japa dat a lot people don’t really talk about … LONELINESS

Have had relatives and friends , japa to Europe , 10 years and counting, you’ve not seen them ,some of them will miss
-miss Relatives marriage
-miss even dia own parents funerals
-miss dia kids growing up
Etc

No place like fatherland !

London doesn't even feels like London anymore, it feels like Jamaica. If your idea of the UK is through the lense of Mr Bean movie or James Bond, then you need to update.

I was in Birmingham and Luton this summer for a visit, and it feels like I was in the middle East. Middle easterner everywhere with their women covering themselves from head to toe exposing just their face. It feels like the city is majority populated by Muslims.

You'll see more foreigners in London than ethnic English people. It's like Lagos pro max. Unless you go deep into the country, London just doesn't feel like London anymore. There are shops you'll go to and the person attending to you hardly speaks good English.

If you want to japa, target places like new Zealand, Australia, even Ireland is better. And if you do not mind the cold, Nordic countries are good. Your quality of life will improve, with huge space that is badly lacking in the UK.

pansophist:
London doesn't even feels like London anymore, it feels like Jamaica. If your idea of the UK is through the lense of Mr Bean movie or James Bond, then you need to update.

I was in Birmingham and Luton this summer for a visit, and it feels like I was in the middle East. Middle easterner everywhere with their women covering themselves from head to toe exposing just their face. It feels like the city is majority populated by Muslims.

You'll see more foreigners in London than ethnic English people. It's like Lagos pro max. Unless you go deep into the country, London just doesn't feel like London anymore. There are shops you'll go to and the person attending to you hardly speaks good English.

If you want to japa, target places like new Zealand, Australia, even Ireland is better. And if you do not mind the cold, Nordic countries are good. Your quality of life will improve, with huge space that is badly lacking in the UK.

You went to Luton, Luton is known as the Paki Base in UK and these guys are horrible to anyone doesn't matter your race or how long you lived there.

My advise for everyone run your own race. I have never regretted coming to the UK. I came in last year with my wife and 2 daughter. It wasn't easy but I can tell you it was worthwhile. I worked with Access Bank for 11yrs and I had to be working at a warehouse when I came in. It almost felt like Jeeeeez but I never regretted any of those experience. Even with my warehouse job I could save £700 convenience that's like 665k in Naira after sorting everyone and bills inclusive. Many people travel out of the country for so many reasons. Nigeria is blessed truly but a country of over 200Million where there is no room for the poor masses to push it through in life. No basic amenities, security is a joke. Now I can boldly save £1000 that is 900k as my wife is working fully now. That's triple of my salary when I was in Nigeria. Many of us came from a very poor background. I got a 5yrs permit, have been to France , Spain and Germany. I don't need to know someone before I achieve anything. I just need to work hard. Living here won't make you become a Millionaire but you can become anything. Opportunity abounds everywhere. You can live a good quality life in peace. I got a lot to talk about but I will stop here. If your Papa get money or you rich stay in Nigeria. But if you dey hustle bro JAPA asap. Opportunity abounds over here compare to Nigeria. Just be hardworking and take good care of yourself the world is yours

IbeOkehie:


I know all about the non existent profits in Nigerian pharmacy....from FAKE and SUBSTANDARD medications. There's NOTHING you can tell me about pharmacy, you chose the wrong business to use for your LIES. Most businesses in the Nigerian pharmacy industry make very little profit. That's just the facts, no matter how good a business person you are, the MACRO-ECONOMICS will dictate a poor outcome for the vast majority of industry participants....whether pharmacy, building materials, restaurants, manufacturing clothes or packaged goods. The Nigerian economy is in deep stagnation and has been that way for DECADES.

You're just another hateful and frustrated Nigerian who can't get a visa to escape the misery in that country. You're here to stir up people and make them feel bad. Unfortunately for you the REALITIES of the situation are too well known and visible. No reasonable person can spew all this your nonsense.

Like I said, President Buhari and his family have lived in UK and Spain for over 40 years. He's a real person, you're an anonymous rankoteur on Nairaland.

Case closed. Save your data, your suffering continues.

Goodbye!

lol. I have been reading your posts in particular with glee. Not surprising your continued grandstands, which is why I didn't bother to reply your last mention. I no fit dey convince color blind person say this car is blue and not purple.

But just for fun, I want to say KunleAra pharmacy in Ibadan here, opposite UCH, the MAN wey dey there na your contemporary age-wise. I won't even mention Fiolu in Ilorin, not even Matador in Akure. Much less pple like Pax in Anambra or Capino in PH. KunleAra alone is worth your total net worth X3 at least doing this same pharmacy business. E sure me die. I already looked you up a month or so ago. Kunle Ara alone don do. I no even need mention the idumota guys like Jubilee, or other Lagos big wigs in the pharmacy distribution business, wholesale or retail. Kunle Ara in this small Ibadan don do. Infact kunleAra sef seems like overkill. He has been in the business for over 20years. Mary Kay that is a little over 10 years old here sef will bench you easy. Twins pharmacy, apro and J -Apro in Ado-ekiti sef go bench you easy. Point is even without calling Lagos guys or Onitsha head bridge guys, or north guys where dey buy drugs like candy, these 'within the city guys' in SW alone, all the major pharmacies I sold to as a med rep, 99% of them have made and are still making more money than you have ever seen in your career to date. Argue it, doesn't change a thing. I no know the jazz wey go stop me from doing the pharmacy business. Before the end of 2023 God willing, if something I'm working on doesn't require my immediate presence in another country, I am coming into the business big time as a franchisee of a popular pharmacy name here in Ibadan, and by God I will join the list of those big wigs in 5-10years. Keep feeling special bros. Even those with houses in the US valued at 5m and above don't pontificate to be rich. They consider themselves average, up and coming...lol


Happy new year to you....and everyone!

tensazangetsu20:


Just my laptop. I think you were lucky to get a genuine person. I think I was scammed lol.

I am a sure plug for Laptop Power bank and portable inverter. I can guarantee you will have reasons to smile.

ahiboilandgas:
you are expanding the area of discussion unnecessary. Changing goal post. What we are saying that there some aspect of Nigeria that is better than the UK lise wise the UK. Some say a 500 bn USD economy is dead ! Please who accumulated the 800 m USD back log of flight fees in Nigeria ! This are Nigerians .

Nigeria is a nation of 200m with an economy of 440b usd
UK is a nation if 72 million with an economy of 3.1 trillion usd

There are opportunities everywhere but if those in the UK are suffering, then I wonder how folks in Nigeria are faring.

Uzomarrr12345:

Talk about the business you know .

Go to Idumota market, go and see the drug business… and see how businesses are booming…

Because you ran and failed in business, you think Nigeria businesses died 2013…

So people setting up businesses after 2013 are clowns bah…to even find shop today for lagos lsland na war (very hard)

Business is not for everyone, some people are destined to be flipping burgers at McDonald’s for 7 years before they can blow

Everyone destiny isn’t the same.
Japa isn’t for everyone.

The earlier generation in my family were successful traders but we've moved on to production and adding value. It's due to this knowledge that my business was able to keep running over the last 8 yrs.

If the shops at idumota were 'booming' as you put it, then our economy will be on the rise.

There are folks who've made good money over the last 8 yrs but that means nothing in a sea of poverty.
Facts are facts... Japa isn't for everyone... to each his own

jedisco:



Nigeria is a nation of 200m with an economy of 440b usd
UK is a nation if 72 million with an economy of 3.1 trillion usd

There are opportunities everywhere but if those in the UK are suffering, then I wonder how folks in Nigeria are faring.

una like to turn topic upside down .the topic was why are UK workers on strike for low pay from nurse to train driver and Nigeria are still japing here . Not .uk vs Nigeria

pansophist:
London doesn't even feels like London anymore, it feels like Jamaica. If your idea of the UK is through the lense of Mr Bean movie or James Bond, then you need to update.

I was in Birmingham and Luton this summer for a visit, and it feels like I was in the middle East. Middle easterner everywhere with their women covering themselves from head to toe exposing just their face. It feels like the city is majority populated by Muslims.

You'll see more foreigners in London than ethnic English people. It's like Lagos pro max. Unless you go deep into the country, London just doesn't feel like London anymore. There are shops you'll go to and the person attending to you hardly speaks good English.

If you want to japa, target places like new Zealand, Australia, even Ireland is better. And if you do not mind the cold, Nordic countries are good. Your quality of life will improve, with huge space that is badly lacking in the UK.

This point is moot and reeks of inferiority complex. A multicultural city usually means less discrimination and something to be welcomed. I expect a discussion on opportunities not the colour of people in a place.

London rightly remains attractive due to its cosmopolitan nature and being a melting point for different cultures. Reason why lots of people feel welcome there. Virtually no city in the world (asides Newyork) has the feel London gives.

People travel for better opportunities and a better life. They do not travel to see white people or count trees.

UK is still overwhelmingly white. If you want to live in a white/English neighbourhood, lots of Southern communities abound.

ahiboilandgas:
una like to turn topic upside down .the topic was why are UK workers on strike for low pay from nurse to train driver and Nigeria are still japing here . Not .uk vs Nigeria

You started by mentioning how people in Kano e.t.c are making loads forgetting the poor millions.

Again relativity... I remember explaining this on the Treasury bill thread.

UK workers are striking because 'high' inflation of 10% is making them poorer. When was the last time inflation in Nigeria was 10%?

Our monthly minimum wage is less than a bag of rice. Alot of graduate civil servants after working for a month earn less than a bag of rice.

jedisco:


You started by mentioning how people in Kano e.t.c are making loads forgetting the poor millions.

Again relativity... I remember explaining this on the Treasury bill thread.

UK workers are striking because 'high' inflation of 10% is making them poorer. When was the last time inflation in Nigeria was 10%

Our monthly minimum wage is less than a bag of rice. Alot of graduate civil servants after working for a month earn less than a bag of rice.

I'd advise anyone living in the UK or abroad to ignore these guys like Treadway, Ahiboilandgas etc. They're trolling. It was people like this that instigated me join Nairaland, their posts were so denigrating to Nigeria Diasporans and at the same time so blatantly unreasonable & untrue, that I felt pushed to respond. I first came across this sort of thing with another one named Ozoemeka, maybe 5 years ago. I just laughed and that's what I should have done here.

I even tried to inject credibility by using my real name. None of these guys can do that because it would expose their psychology.

I can tell from your posts you're an intelligent fellow who has taken time to study the macroeconomics of Nigeria. If a majority of Nigerians took the time to do that the country would be a very different place. Strangely enough our people see that as a waste of time while living with the results of their ignorance. Yes, there's nothing like fuel subsidy in Nigeria Indeed.

It's hard, I know that first hand, I was warned by some here and didn't take the advice.....just try and ignore them.

Happy New Year to you and yours. This 2023 is going to be great.

IbeOkehie:


I'd advise anyone living in the UK or abroad to ignore these guys like Treadway, Ahiboilandgas etc. They're trolling. It was people like this that instigated me join Nairaland, their posts were so denigrating to Nigeria Diasporans and at the same time so blatantly unreasonable & untrue, that I felt pushed to respond. I first came across this sort of thing with another one named Ozoemeka, maybe 5 years ago. I just laughed and that's what I should have done here.

I even tried to inject credibility by using my real name. None of these guys can do that because it would expose their psychology.

I can tell from your posts you're an intelligent fellow who has taken time to study the macroeconomics of Nigeria. If a majority of Nigerians took the time to do that the country would be a very different place. Strangely enough our people see that as a waste of time while living with the results of their ignorance. Yes, there's nothing like fuel subsidy in Nigeria Indeed.

It's hard, I know that first hand, I was warned by some here and didn't take the advice.....just try and ignore them.

Happy New Year to you and yours. This 2023 is going to be great.

I'll advise you all to consider yourselves inconsequential to me and/or the general scheme of things. As usu, whenever I see BS, I'll do my best to call it out tho. Cheers to a splendid 2023 on both sides of the divide.

Influx77:


Dirtyynash I am interested in the guide, how do we go about it

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IbeOkehie:


I'd advise anyone living in the UK or abroad to ignore these guys like Treadway, Ahiboilandgas etc. They're trolling. It was people like this that instigated me join Nairaland, their posts were so denigrating to Nigeria Diasporans and at the same time so blatantly unreasonable & untrue, that I felt pushed to respond. I first came across this sort of thing with another one named Ozoemeka, maybe 5 years ago. I just laughed and that's what I should have done here.

I even tried to inject credibility by using my real name. None of these guys can do that because it would expose their psychology.

I can tell from your posts you're an intelligent fellow who has taken time to study the macroeconomics of Nigeria. If a majority of Nigerians took the time to do that the country would be a very different place. Strangely enough our people see that as a waste of time while living with the results of their ignorance. Yes, there's nothing like fuel subsidy in Nigeria Indeed.

It's hard, I know that first hand, I was warned by some here and didn't take the advice.....just try and ignore them.

Happy New Year to you and yours. This 2023 is going to be great.

so said the failed enterprenure! You need Native sense !

Regex:


You went to Luton, Luton is known as the Paki Base in UK and these guys are horrible to anyone doesn't matter your race or how long you lived there.

brother, what do you mean by horrible?

jesmond3945:
brother, what do you mean by horrible?

Racism.

Regex:


Racism.

i see. I thought i was the only one who noticed. Probably is their culture

jesmond3945:
i see. I thought i was the only one who noticed. Probably is their culture

Pakistanis are horrible in nature, avoid them by all means. These are the people that should be on the reader to watch for.

Spanishmilf:
you heard
Take advice from people who are in the Uk or people who has travel experiences
You are taking advice from anti-japa who has been denied multiple times
Uk immigration is kinda easy now don’t wait for them to tighten their immigration so you won’t start regretting
Nawa for una sef

The fact that a person is against relocation from Nigeria does not necessarily men that he/she has been denied visa

pansophist:
London doesn't even feels like London anymore, it feels like Jamaica. If your idea of the UK is through the lense of Mr Bean movie or James Bond, then you need to update.

I was in Birmingham and Luton this summer for a visit, and it feels like I was in the middle East. Middle easterner everywhere with their women covering themselves from head to toe exposing just their face. It feels like the city is majority populated by Muslims.

You'll see more foreigners in London than ethnic English people. It's like Lagos pro max. Unless you go deep into the country, London just doesn't feel like London anymore. There are shops you'll go to and the person attending to you hardly speaks good English.

If you want to japa, target places like new Zealand, Australia, even Ireland is better. And if you do not mind the cold, Nordic countries are good. Your quality of life will improve, with huge space that is badly lacking in the UK.

But bros, you sef, you have talked about staying around people who look like you. Now, you want them to move to places where they are very few blacks? If London is like Jamacia, is it not better for the average black person than Oslo?

Australia and New Zealand are tough to relocate to, even for most native Europeans (except the British). About London not being English again, that is true. I read posts about their city being lost to multiculturalism, which I understand. But then, the British went round the world causing havoc. Karma just happened.

IbeOkehie:


I'd advise anyone living in the UK or abroad to ignore these guys......

Happy New Year to you and yours. This 2023 is going to be great.

Happy new year to you. Good experience you have.

Few times I respond is mainly to correct wrong narratives so they don't linger.

Largely, there are two groups. Some from posts back have failed in their attempts to migrate hence hate. Others lack the mental know-how to compare issues across developed and developing nations. Between both are folks who could ve doing well for themselves but enjoy the sea of poverty around them. They can't stomach a better society

Sometime back one was comparing food prices and explaining how food was expensive in the west. After proper tutoring, he saw that food was at least 10x more expensive in Nigeria than in the UK.

Another is tax... I used to fear this before migrating but now, I laugh at my reasoning then. I still explain to them that paying high tax is a privilege many aim to achieve. These are countries that feed and house struggling citizens. It simply means, folks are encouraged to work so they don't depend on the government. Hence tax rate is hardly an issue. The higher, the better.

Another was when they used to mock migrating health workers. I had to explain to them how Nigerian health workers abroad were suffering and begging for food while their counterparts in Nigeria owned private jets.

Another is the current strikes fue to record high inflation of 10% in 2022 (highest in 40 yrs). Meanwhile, Nigerian workers have been battered by roughly 20% inflation for a decade.

Another is how diasporeans are suffering. But these abroad folks who constitute less than 1% of our population are able to send back remittances that equal our national budget. This is the 'change' they send back after paying tax and sorting their needs abroad...

Misconceptions go on and on. I stick to facts when responding. That way, it's not difficult to separate wheat from chaff.

All said, I'm not against those who want to stay back or those who want to migrate legally. No formula fits all.

Regex:


Pakistanis are horrible in nature, avoid them by all means. These are the people that should be on the reader to watch for.

hmmm. I can imagine your experience with them. Are you roping middle easterners too like arabs?

jesmond3945:
hmmm. I can imagine your experience with them. Are you roping middle easterners too like arabs?

Nope, I have not had any experience with them and so I can't tell. Indians are very lovely people. The Punjabis, kerelah... I have met them, they're nice.

jedisco:


The earlier generation in my family were successful traders but we've moved on to production and adding value. It's due to this knowledge that my business was able to keep running over the last 8 yrs.

If the shops at idumota were 'booming' as you put it, then our economy will be on the rise.

There are folks who've made good money over the last 8 yrs but that means nothing in a sea of poverty.
Facts are facts... Japa isn't for everyone... to each his own

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