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Who Really In Charge Of This World Affairs, God Or Satan? by Oxfordgrade: 8:17am On Jan 29, 2023 |
Jw.org has really tried in shading more light on this issue. But I am also perplexed on the complexity of stunning explanations from some scholars ( base on my personal research). Please I need more of your input for instance, Nigeria as a country has her own leader who is accountable to the citizenry weather bad or good; so my question is in the face of all th evil permeable in this world, who are we to hold accountable to; and between God and Satan who is the boss?? 1 Like
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Re: Who Really In Charge Of This World Affairs, God Or Satan? by Nobody: 8:18am On Jan 29, 2023 |
SATAN |
Re: Who Really In Charge Of This World Affairs, God Or Satan? by Oxfordgrade: 8:24am On Jan 29, 2023 |
CoronaVirusRelo:why Satan sir, any logical reason? Please I need some controversial response and debate for the purpose of spotting the best mind |
Re: Who Really In Charge Of This World Affairs, God Or Satan? by Lionmachala(m): 8:30am On Jan 29, 2023 |
Any JEHOVAH WITHNESS HERE? |
Re: Who Really In Charge Of This World Affairs, God Or Satan? by SaintNegro77: 8:35am On Jan 29, 2023 |
Read 1john 5:19 and John 12:31 1 Like |
Re: Who Really In Charge Of This World Affairs, God Or Satan? by FERNANDEZISBACK: 8:45am On Jan 29, 2023 |
SaintNegro77:Why then do you pray to God for him to sought things on earth when Satan is clearly the one in charge?π That makes prayer useless.. 1chronicles 29:11_12 says_ "Yours, Lord, is the greatness and the power and the glory and the splendor and the majesty, for everything in the heavens and on earth belongs to You. Yours, Lord, is the kingdom, and You are exalted as head over all. 12 Riches and honor come from You, and You are the ruler of everything. Power and might are in Your hand, and it is in Your hand to make great and to give strength to all". Contradicting itself again...π₯± How come he has all power and Satan still rules the affair of Earth... Or do we say he's an accomplice of Satan's act and gave Satan the power...because according to the the bible book nothing happens without his knowledge! π If I should go by that first clownish Bible verse you attached then that makes god useless since he has no say and control over earth.. right? Then why do you pray to him when devil is clearly in charge? π |
Re: Who Really In Charge Of This World Affairs, God Or Satan? by Oxfordgrade: 8:45am On Jan 29, 2023 |
SaintNegro77:but sir how do you explain Daniel 5:21 After reading 1john 5:19 & John 12vs31? Please sir can u throw more light especially on Daniel 5:21 to butter your point |
Re: Who Really In Charge Of This World Affairs, God Or Satan? by Oxfordgrade: 8:49am On Jan 29, 2023 |
FERNANDEZISBACK:please sir, can you help us summarise the quoted portionπ |
Re: Who Really In Charge Of This World Affairs, God Or Satan? by Janosky: 8:52am On Jan 29, 2023 |
SaintNegro77: Very correct. OP, pls read 2 Timothy 3:1-7,13 & 1 Corinthians 14:33 , then ask yourself: Would God be in charge of rulership where chaos & unrighteousness thrives everywhere on the earth? Would God make this promise in 2 Peter 3:13 if He were the ruler of this wicked world where chaos & unrighteousness thrives? The Bible is self explanatory on this matter. Nobody would force anyone to believe in the holy scriptures. Shalom. |
Re: Who Really In Charge Of This World Affairs, God Or Satan? by FERNANDEZISBACK: 9:00am On Jan 29, 2023 |
Oxfordgrade:I countered the nonsensical Bible nonsense verse.. check my modified quote.. |
Re: Who Really In Charge Of This World Affairs, God Or Satan? by Janosky: 9:08am On Jan 29, 2023 |
Oxfordgrade: Daniel 5:21 is king Nebuchadnezzar's confessions of God's Sovereignty over the Babylonian king and man in general. God humbed the king (for his arrogance , please read Daniel chapters 3 &4 for the details) & the king ate grass like beasts , for a period of time before God restored him to his senses & back to his Babylonian throne. Simply put,Jehovah is Supreme over His Creation. However, God has allowed man to exercise independence since Satan challenged God's Sovereignty over Adam in the garden of Eden. Please ask JWs near you, for a Bible study & ask more questions about any bible topic of interest to you. Shalom. 1 Like |
Re: Who Really In Charge Of This World Affairs, God Or Satan? by Dtruthspeaker: 9:16am On Jan 29, 2023 |
Oxfordgrade: First Satan Then secondly human beings themselves, for you people love Satan's works so you promote it and increase it. Now the works are burning you all. |
Re: Who Really In Charge Of This World Affairs, God Or Satan? by tctrills: 9:18am On Jan 29, 2023 |
Janosky:Dan 2.21 And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding. In this verse, we learn that God is in charge of the global politics. He appoints rulers and removes rulers. He does not take the personal decision for these men while on the throne but he is the reason they sit on the throne in the first place. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Who Really In Charge Of This World Affairs, God Or Satan? by Dtruthspeaker: 9:18am On Jan 29, 2023 |
Janosky: Satan is not really challenging God. All he is doing is simply to attack all of God's Work to destroy them or get them to destroy themselves. And God is just laughing at him watching as he suffers going against God's Works especially where Satan loses. 1 Like |
Re: Who Really In Charge Of This World Affairs, God Or Satan? by Janosky: 9:34am On Jan 29, 2023 |
FERNANDEZISBACK: Oga, calm down. Satan challenged God's Sovereignty in the garden of Eden,as a result,God allowed Adam and man by extension, to exercise independence from God and man rules himself. (When a student sows doubts on his fellow students & claims that his Teacher is misleading them & hiding stuff from them. To expel the 'rebellious' students doesn't adequately address the issue raised. Grant them the chance to teach or prove who is right....) Although that was not the original plan of God, Jeremiah 10:23. Recall that God gave Adam instructions and laws to guide him. That is God's Sovereignty over Adam but Adam rejected it & believed Satan's claim that he can decide for himself (independence from God) "knowing good and bad & be like God". The results- sickness, mourning,death,chaos & crisis everywhere. Today, the result of man's independence from God's direct authority and rulership is very obvious. Ecclesiastes 8:9 |
Re: Who Really In Charge Of This World Affairs, God Or Satan? by Janosky: 9:39am On Jan 29, 2023 |
Dtruthspeaker: Oga, we are saying the same thing using synonymous expression. When you set up a foundation & someone comes to pull off a set of blocks,does the individual mean well for you? |
Re: Who Really In Charge Of This World Affairs, God Or Satan? by FERNANDEZISBACK: 9:51am On Jan 29, 2023 |
Janosky:In other word god plan changes as opposed to God's will never changes. Psalm 33:11 says, βThe counsel of the Lord stands forever, The plans of His heart to all generations.β His Word is Timeless and His Promises are Everlasting.. ππ.. was he confused in the first place.. Also.. in your words the evil we experience today is as a result of Adam and eve choice to differentiate between good and bad .. in other words god is a non forgiving or merciful as opposed to Ephesians 2:4-5 β βBut God, who is rich in mercy, out of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead through our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ β by grace you have been saved.β..why not in Adam and Eve case? π Again I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. King James version Isaiah 45:7 God created evil..It was his fault that evil exist at all...So in context It was the God of this tradition that βgaveβ evil to this world...π₯± Watching you believers explain Adam and Eve can be interesting..because yoy have to bob and weave while explaining it..because you folks typically think that: God designed the Garden of Eden for Adam and Eve Adam and Eve shouldnβt have eaten the fruit. Naughty humans! God has a plan God knows everything thatβs going to happen These just donβt make any sense when you take them together..It would be like me claiming that I built a snowman and expected it to never melt...But I also knew it was going to melt and had a special use for the water from the melted snowman.. ππ 1 Like |
Re: Who Really In Charge Of This World Affairs, God Or Satan? by Oxfordgrade: 10:38am On Jan 29, 2023 |
Dtruthspeaker:please any Biblical evidence? |
Re: Who Really In Charge Of This World Affairs, God Or Satan? by ChocolateWine(f): 11:10am On Jan 29, 2023 |
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Re: Who Really In Charge Of This World Affairs, God Or Satan? by Dtruthspeaker: 12:24pm On Jan 29, 2023 |
Oxfordgrade: Do you need to go to the Bible to see the things you already see everyday? Is this one inside the Bible? https://www.nairaland.com/7545870/unicals-vc-reacts-death-student Or is it this one? https://www.nairaland.com/7545792/nasarawa-bomb-blast-56-people |
Re: Who Really In Charge Of This World Affairs, God Or Satan? by sonmvayina(m): 1:05pm On Jan 29, 2023 |
There is only one God and creator of all.. There is only one power in the world. There is only one almighty God and father.. That is why it is called UNIverse.. All others are called "sons of God", messagesrs, Angels....and the yorubas refers to them as "Orishas" They are not God.. Whatever happens, whether good or bad, happened because it is the will of God... Read Isaiah 45 from 1 to 25, and especially 14...
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Re: Who Really In Charge Of This World Affairs, God Or Satan? by sonmvayina(m): 1:13pm On Jan 29, 2023 |
Satan is not a God. To even think God has a rival or adversary is laughable and insulting...to say the least.. Satan is a principle within God....A principle that can only be experienced within the limits and boundaries of God....no more no less. Damn Christianity...and it's deception... The greatest lie that has stood the test of time.. |
Re: Who Really In Charge Of This World Affairs, God Or Satan? by FERNANDEZISBACK: 1:24pm On Jan 29, 2023 |
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Re: Who Really In Charge Of This World Affairs, God Or Satan? by Eviana(f): 1:25pm On Jan 29, 2023 |
The God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel is definitely the supreme ruler over this earth.... With His sovereignity, He has allowed a created being--Lucifer/satan-- to have massive dominion over the earth. What is happening there in Nigeria is that a principality has had and continues to have massive dominion. Spiritual wickedness in high places is what is going on. Until people understand that spiritual warfare is the main thing...people possessed with demons, familiar spirits etc. operating on the earth, and trying to recruit as many as possible, then .....well....need I say more. This thing is spiritual--not fleshly. We, humans, cannot discern cause we don't know Jesus. We open the doors for spirits (either the Holy or fallen) to possess us and then we live our lives influenced by the spirit(s) inhabiting us. Next comes confusion, chaos, disorder, death.....etc., and the cycle continues for generations. Be not mistaken though-- God sees all....and is ultimately in control of all. Many scriptures exist to support this. Will have to come back to list some. Ms. Eviana |
Re: Who Really In Charge Of This World Affairs, God Or Satan? by Oxfordgrade: 1:55pm On Jan 29, 2023 |
Dtruthspeaker:you are not lying, but I still believe there must be some external influence beyond humans for either good or bad, and such entity should be held responsible for it 1 Like |
Re: Who Really In Charge Of This World Affairs, God Or Satan? by Dtruthspeaker: 2:02pm On Jan 29, 2023 |
Oxfordgrade: Go and read about Criminal Responsibility Liability and responsibility is stillrestricted to only acts a person did directly hence, it is always about doings aka Acts and Failure to do all Omissions eg counseling a person to be disobey Law. The disobeyer of The Law is still responsible for his direct disobedience to Law even if it was another person who sold him the idea of breaking The Law! |
Re: Who Really In Charge Of This World Affairs, God Or Satan? by Oxfordgrade: 2:07pm On Jan 29, 2023 |
FERNANDEZISBACK:no bro I think the clownish Bible verses make sense given to the fact that no be him write am and na like that e see am. In fact, 2timothy 3:16 agree with wetin e talk. So the question wey I think say we need ask am be say: Why and how God come allow Satan to control wetin He created? |
Re: Who Really In Charge Of This World Affairs, God Or Satan? by Oxfordgrade: 2:11pm On Jan 29, 2023 |
Dtruthspeaker:oh sir! Who's the greatest law giver? Please sir I'm curious |
Re: Who Really In Charge Of This World Affairs, God Or Satan? by Oxfordgrade: 2:16pm On Jan 29, 2023 |
Eviana:Thanks, I am still waiting for your Biblical support for your great piece of comment 1 Like |
Re: Who Really In Charge Of This World Affairs, God Or Satan? by Dtruthspeaker: 2:17pm On Jan 29, 2023 |
Oxfordgrade: There is Only One Law Giver, which is He Who created this world and set it. Law is a Flemish word which means that which is set. So The Setter is always The Law Giver! |
Re: Who Really In Charge Of This World Affairs, God Or Satan? by Oxfordgrade: 2:22pm On Jan 29, 2023 |
sonmvayina:good point! But does God intentionally allowed evil, if so is there Biblical evidence to support that? 1 Like |
Re: Who Really In Charge Of This World Affairs, God Or Satan? by Oxfordgrade: 2:25pm On Jan 29, 2023 |
Dtruthspeaker:wow I'm impressed! So please sir may I ask who get right to set standard for humans? What I mean is that who get right to make laws for us? |
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