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Re: Being An Atheist Is It An Excuse To Be Wicked? by gohf: 4:34pm On Feb 09, 2023 |
jaephoenix:even if Jesus is fictional are his so called teachings evil and shouldn't be practiced? |
Re: Being An Atheist Is It An Excuse To Be Wicked? by jaephoenix(m): 4:34pm On Feb 09, 2023 |
Jashub:Forgeries. Those books were unashamedly forged. No wonder there was no mention of Jesus in mainstream History. Abstract The passage about Jesus Christ in Jewish historian Josephus’s writings has been debated for centuries, as concerns its authenticity totally, partially or not at all. This brief “testimonium” is proffered by Christian apologists as the “best evidence” for the historicity of Jesus, but it has been declared many times to be a forgery in toto. A recent study by a renowned linguist confirms this analysis of the entire passage as an interpolation by a Christian scribe, likely during the fourth century or later. Contents Introduction Narrative Anomaly Christians or Chrēstiansς Mutilation or Partial Interpolation? Backgrounding and Foregrounding Pilate Episodes Piety, Not History Crucifixion Blame Time and Temporality Emplotment and Gospels Genre Difference Nicene Creed Conclusion Bibliography Introduction Over the centuries, a passage in the works of the ancient Jewish historian Josephus (Antiquities 18.3.3/63) has been held up as one of the few “proofs” of the biblical story of Jesus Christέ During this time, numerous theologians, historians and other scholars have provided many reasons to suspect that the passage—called the Testimonium Flavianum or “TF”—is a forgery or interpolation either in part or wholly. I have the complete pdfs if you're interested in reading. 2 Likes |
Re: Being An Atheist Is It An Excuse To Be Wicked? by jaephoenix(m): 4:36pm On Feb 09, 2023 |
gohf:You have altered your Topic. But even at that, it is still insinuating atheism is a get out of jail card for sin 1 Like |
Re: Being An Atheist Is It An Excuse To Be Wicked? by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:36pm On Feb 09, 2023 |
gohf: We were all born atheists {Psalms 51:5} until someone teach us about God {Deuteronomy 6:6-7} but why do we need to be taught the things of God? Well despite the fact that children don't have class among themselves nor discriminates as they continue to live with their imperfect parents they will begin to learn from them all the traits of imperfection in the flesh so by the time they're in their teens they would have developed a personality that's according to the evil deeds they're seeing around them for instance they would have noticed how someone was unjustly treated when nobody said anything and nothing happened. So their minds are shaped according to the things they see around them. That's why God told his own people: These words that I am commanding you today must be on your heart, and you must inculcate them in your sons and speak of them when you sit in your house and when you walk on the road and when you lie down and when you get up. Tie them as a reminder on your hand, and they must be like a headband on your forehead! Deuteronomy 6:6-8 So that an average Israelite may know that morality doesn't come by chance people teach people! |
Re: Being An Atheist Is It An Excuse To Be Wicked? by jaephoenix(m): 4:37pm On Feb 09, 2023 |
gohf:Okay. Lets me say its wrong, what are you trying to prove |
Re: Being An Atheist Is It An Excuse To Be Wicked? by gohf: 4:39pm On Feb 09, 2023 |
jaephoenix:didn't alter it, just responded to queries and discuss And lol, atheism can never be a "get out of jail card for sin" because no one can escape un-repented wickedness |
Re: Being An Atheist Is It An Excuse To Be Wicked? by jaephoenix(m): 4:39pm On Feb 09, 2023 |
gohf:They need help because its the promise of a punishment that is preventing them from sining 1 Like |
Re: Being An Atheist Is It An Excuse To Be Wicked? by jaephoenix(m): 4:40pm On Feb 09, 2023 |
gohf:Youre just talking gibberish. What father are you talking about? 1 Like |
Re: Being An Atheist Is It An Excuse To Be Wicked? by Kobojunkie: 4:43pm On Feb 09, 2023 |
FxMasterz:1. I mentioned being born-again - born of water and born of the spirit -, and Jesus Christ said absolutely nothing relating nothing, so explain to me how you came about connecting what I said to the Holy Spirit. 2. According to Jesus Christ, only those who are born-again - who belong in the Kingdom of God — who in fact have the Holy Spirit in them can blaspheme Him. So, explain how one who does not even believe in God — an atheist — is able to circumvent the rule as set by Jesus Christ Himself in order to blaspheme the Holy Spirit? 3. According to the teachings of Jesus Christ in Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 & Mark 7 vs 1 - 13, it is instead the doctrines and traditions of men that drive people away from the Truth of God and nullifies the power of God in the lives of people rendering their worship of God meaningless. But here you are suggesting instead that by continuously teaching the Truth of God as spoken by Jesus Christ, I turn people away from the Truth of Jesus Christ. How is that possible? Are you insinuating that Jesus Christ got it wrong in His Gospel teachings? Or do you instead confuse the doctrines and traditions of men which I speak against with the Truth of God? 4. Demons also believe(mentally acknowledgment kind) in Jesus Christ, so are we then to conclude by your assertion that they are saved by Him? Look, Jesus Christ taught you in clear words that those who love Him are those who obey His teachings and commandments. 15 “If you love me, you will do what I command.Saying with your mouth and in your head that you believe(mental acknowledgment) in Jesus Christ mean absolutely nothing where Jesus Christ, and God, is concerned. So, any kind of faith you claim to have that is not preceded by the obedience of His teachings and commandments amounts to absolutely nothing where God is concerned. 9 “I have loved you as the Father has loved me. Now continue in my love.In the Kingdom of God, obedience is the Key for without obedience, it is impossible to please God or even know God. 5. Again, you would need to explain why you keep pointing at the Holy Spirit when ■ Jesus Christ never said that you get the Holy Spirit when you become born-again ■ I never mentioned getting the Holy Spirit when I became born-again either |
Re: Being An Atheist Is It An Excuse To Be Wicked? by jaephoenix(m): 4:43pm On Feb 09, 2023 |
Kobojunkie:Actually youre right to an extent. Christianity is a mental illness which should be eradicated. It makes some people susceptible to delusions of grandeur, persecutions, audio visual hallucinations etc 2 Likes |
Re: Being An Atheist Is It An Excuse To Be Wicked? by Jashub: 4:47pm On Feb 09, 2023 |
jaephoenix:Josephus was a jew, not a Christian...so his writings couldn't have been in favor of any Christian doctrine because that would be heresy under Jewish law . Secondly , let's assume he were wrong ...and he was biased, but what about Tacticus and his accounts ...? Would you say he was biased too? |
Re: Being An Atheist Is It An Excuse To Be Wicked? by gohf: 4:47pm On Feb 09, 2023 |
jaephoenix:the very first Father of all |
Re: Being An Atheist Is It An Excuse To Be Wicked? by gohf: 4:49pm On Feb 09, 2023 |
jaephoenix:and what would that help be? Get them to do what is wrong and not care who suffers for it |
Re: Being An Atheist Is It An Excuse To Be Wicked? by gohf: 4:52pm On Feb 09, 2023 |
Hmm how pathetic its like one who can move on their own two feet saying they would help the one who moves with a wheelchair by removing the wheelchair without healing them. So if the wheelchair doesn't hurt anyone why remove it? |
Re: Being An Atheist Is It An Excuse To Be Wicked? by gohf: 4:55pm On Feb 09, 2023 |
jaephoenix:trying to explain a portrait to the blind would be easier if by now you still lack understanding of what you have read |
Re: Being An Atheist Is It An Excuse To Be Wicked? by gohf: 4:57pm On Feb 09, 2023 |
jaephoenix:and in what way those that "illness" affect your life |
Re: Being An Atheist Is It An Excuse To Be Wicked? by LordReed(m): 5:03pm On Feb 09, 2023 |
gohf: An orphan will have to have morality taught to them by some means usually another person. Not sure why you think that is something remarkable. Again I have evidence for presidents or any other human in a job you want to use as analogy, I don't have evidence for your god. Analogies are not evidence. Morality must change because human society changes. Even religious dictates change. Nothing in evidence points to any god starting anything and especially not morality. You are the one living in the illusion that your morality is determined by a god. You are certainly welcome to live in that illusion but the reality is even right before your eyes morality is being determined by the humans all around you. At some point most societies thought slavery was morally acceptable but now we no longer see it that way. It wasn't any god that instituted slavery nor was it any god that ended it. The joke is on you who thinks a god is directing morals from anywhere. 2 Likes |
Re: Being An Atheist Is It An Excuse To Be Wicked? by gohf: 5:12pm On Feb 09, 2023 |
LordReed:I didn't give you analogies as evidence but to help your understanding. You have evidence of what you believe in, those who believe in God have their evidences. Now does that mean you're right and they are wrong? Morality doesn't have to change because "society" changes. What exactly is changing? Definitely not the basis of a society, except one changes what makes up a society and keeps people together. The terms of morality might improve to address more issues to help those with weaker understanding address new challenging tasks. Be kind to your neighbor that's morality, right. The means of kindness might change or improve but that doesn't change the kindness. You can go about it how ever way you wish, even ignore whatever evidences have been shown you all through your life. But then to you is it moral to laugh at what another believes? Of it isn't then you are wrong and immoral to laugh at others but if it is then you are a joke as well. 😊 |
Re: Being An Atheist Is It An Excuse To Be Wicked? by Jashub: 5:18pm On Feb 09, 2023 |
gohf:What you're doing here is what is called The slothful induction fallacy And people use the slothful induction fallacy when they ignore substantial evidence and make their claim based on a coincidence or something entirely irrelevant. With this kind of argument, there is research or evidence that clearly indicates that something is true. The person making their argument may choose or fail to acknowledge this. Here is an example: Person A: "I was excited to see that our onboarding process increased our employee retention rates. When I interviewed our employees last week, 98% of them said they are still with the company because of the support they got when they first started." Person B: "I think the real reason everyone likes it here is that we allow dogs in the office." From the above, your correlation of using a burning paper to counter my argument does not even make sense or have a relation to what is being discussed |
Re: Being An Atheist Is It An Excuse To Be Wicked? by LordReed(m): 5:50pm On Feb 09, 2023 |
gohf: Where did I say anything about anyone being right or wrong about a god existing? I said I don't have evidence for any god, simple. Can you tell me the reason you think slavery ending is not a change of moral stance. There is nothing immoral about laughing at people's beliefs especially when such beliefs are unreasonable. Are you getting salty because I said jokes on you? LoLz. The same you who said: 'You amuse me', Bwahahahahaha! |
Re: Being An Atheist Is It An Excuse To Be Wicked? by gohf: 5:59pm On Feb 09, 2023 |
LordReed:😑 u seriously don't know the person that championed the end of slavery in UK? That the person believed strongly in God 😳 Lol which yeye change of moral stand changed slavery, oya educate us, and show how it was not connected to God or the gospel in anyway |
Re: Being An Atheist Is It An Excuse To Be Wicked? by LordReed(m): 6:09pm On Feb 09, 2023 |
gohf: LoLz, answer the question I posed to you first then you can ask me a question in return, that's how conversations work. |
Re: Being An Atheist Is It An Excuse To Be Wicked? by jaephoenix(m): 6:40pm On Feb 09, 2023 |
gohf:Did you read any of my posts? |
Re: Being An Atheist Is It An Excuse To Be Wicked? by jaephoenix(m): 6:46pm On Feb 09, 2023 |
gohf:What supernatural events are we struggling to explain away? |
Re: Being An Atheist Is It An Excuse To Be Wicked? by jaephoenix(m): 6:52pm On Feb 09, 2023 |
gohf:Heard what? |
Re: Being An Atheist Is It An Excuse To Be Wicked? by jaephoenix(m): 6:53pm On Feb 09, 2023 |
gohf:So we don't have criminals here masquerading as Christians? |
Re: Being An Atheist Is It An Excuse To Be Wicked? by gohf: 7:34pm On Feb 09, 2023 |
jaephoenix:everywhere not just here |
Re: Being An Atheist Is It An Excuse To Be Wicked? by gohf: 7:42pm On Feb 09, 2023 |
LordReed:is that your moral standard of having a conversation 😁 In what I wrote is my answer to you |
Re: Being An Atheist Is It An Excuse To Be Wicked? by gohf: 7:44pm On Feb 09, 2023 |
jaephoenix:the fact you're smarter than a monkey but still feel you are related to them and call them your ancestors because its so hard to accept God accepting monkeys is way better 😂😂 |
Re: Being An Atheist Is It An Excuse To Be Wicked? by LordReed(m): 7:49pm On Feb 09, 2023 |
gohf: In decent conversations you don't jumping in with a question when another question has been asked. My question again: Can you tell me the reason you think slavery ending is not a change of moral stance. |
Re: Being An Atheist Is It An Excuse To Be Wicked? by jaephoenix(m): 10:41am On Feb 10, 2023 |
gohf:Why is it more in Nigeria/Africa |
Re: Being An Atheist Is It An Excuse To Be Wicked? by jaephoenix(m): 11:12am On Feb 10, 2023 |
gohf:Not afraid. Question is, is it true? |
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