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Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by aswani(m): 11:49pm On Apr 09, 2023 |
MikeofAfrica: Uncle MikeofAfrica, Norway or Sweden are not like African countries that have to go to US, Britain or France for handouts and debt rescheduling. These are independent non aligned countries that were neutral during the war and you think some Embassy staff will be able to demand to have a say in who the non governmental Alfred Nobel Foundation give their awards to. Anyway, believe what conspiracy theory you want. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by Gajagojo: 11:50pm On Apr 09, 2023 |
MikeofAfrica: In my experience people who are compelled to boast do so because they feel inadequate All your bluster does not fool anyone 3 Likes |
Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by Gajagojo: 12:57am On Apr 10, 2023 |
Ojukwubucket: We did not need contact with the white to become civilised That is at the core of your psychology Inferiority complex and that is why you boast so much to compensate for the feelings of inadequacy. At any rate where is the evidence? Always boasting emptily. . Achebe simply was not good enough for a Nobel prize. 2 Likes |
Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by Karnice600: 12:57am On Apr 10, 2023 |
Hedonini: The man has become a circus clown |
Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by orisa37: 1:52am On Apr 10, 2023 |
WEREY. HOW CAN YOU COMPARE A MAN WHO WILL SOON BE 88 AND ALIVE AND STILL HOPEFUL WITH ANOTHER WHO IS LONG MORIBUND? U SHOULD BE SENT TO DAURA PSYCHIATRIC HOSPITAL. 1 Like |
Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by Ojukwubucket(m): 5:37am On Apr 10, 2023 |
Gajagojo:I bet you Achebe and his masterpieces are globally known more than Soyinka.. Inferiority complex u say? But almost every gadgets in ur house including the one u foolishly use in typing ur Bigotic and hate filled texts against Igbos were all made by the whites. Even today Igbos are a more travelled and a civilized tribe than your loud and ritual believing tribesmen. I repeat, put us on a level playing ground and we will dust you over and over..no be mouth.. |
Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by Wilson500: 5:44am On Apr 10, 2023 |
aswani: Your inferiority complex stinks Stop glorifying the whites as saints They are as corrupt as any other race Politics has bastardized the Nobel prize All European nations are ass-lickers to the US including your glorified Norway and Sweden |
Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by Ojukwubucket(m): 5:46am On Apr 10, 2023 |
MSGAMBLE9:When you have achievements, u talk about them. But envious people will call it chest beating . If ur tribesmen have gone through half of all those things I mentioned Igbos went through.. I bet you, you will have even more beggers from ur tribesmen all over the streets of Lagos and more ritual and skull miners preying on your relatives. |
Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by aswani(m): 7:41am On Apr 10, 2023 |
Wilson500: Wilson500, you need to focus on what is being discussed and try and address the points rather than making wild pronouncements. For example, your allegation that European nations, peoples and organisations can be corrupt is not something I have denied. The fact that the US can stop Chinua Achebe from getting the Nobel literature prize, Achebe lived the latter part of his years in the same US, is what is being discussed. By the way, if all European countries bow down to the US as you said, how is it that only the UK consistently votes along with the US in the UN when it comes to pro Israeli resolutions? |
Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by Uniquewise: 8:30am On Apr 10, 2023 |
Vinnie2000: This one is both ignorant and clueless. See bitter and incoherent droppings; chai, envy and bitterness dey make people lose guard like this? |
Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by MikeofAfrica: 9:25am On Apr 10, 2023 |
Wilson500: Thank you for talking sense to our brothers that believe that the White men are Angels that are not corrupt. That is the inferiority complex that the Western nations are taking advantage of to manipulate us. |
Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by MikeofAfrica: 9:37am On Apr 10, 2023 |
aswani: Are you talking about the same Norway and Sweden that are presently lobbying America to accept them into NATO. The only two nations on Earth that can argue with the United States on any issue are Russia and China. That is why some African nations like South Africa are aligning with Russia and China because that is the only way they can withstand the manipulations of the United States. No author who criticize the United States and her allies particularly Britian and France has won the Nobel Prize because the organizers of the award are their puppets. A French woman, Annie Ernaux recently won the award for writing her autobiography. Can you imagine that? An award reserve for icon that has cover the different genres of literature like poetry, novel, play and drama given to an autobiographer with no single literature book to her name. That is the award you are regarding as immaculate because Soyinka won it. |
Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by aswani(m): 10:08am On Apr 10, 2023 |
MikeofAfrica: So much to say, so little time to say it. If the US hated Prof Achebe so much, why was he allowed to spend the latter part of his years in that very country? I have not mentioned Prof Soyinka in any of my posts because he is nothing to do with what part of your initial post I challenged. Norway and Sweden, countrries seeking entry to NATO, are different from The Alfred Nobel foundation, an organisation that gives people awards and money using the wealth left behind by Alfred Nobel. Happy to discuss lots of things, but at least let's sort out the one on ground first. 2 Likes |
Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by MSGAMBLE9: 10:48am On Apr 10, 2023 |
Ojukwubucket:Stop chest-beating, just tell me one economic sector your people are dominating..is it Communications, Logistics, Real estate, Entertainment, Freighting, Transportation, Agriculture ? or baby factory and drug trafficking (which they failed woefully at by always getting caught). Or you think life start and end with buying and selling in small cubicle shop. Internally Displaced Tribe awon economic refugees feeling funky! 2 Likes |
Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by Ojukwubucket(m): 4:53pm On Apr 10, 2023 |
MSGAMBLE9:Ok Mumu hater..we r dominating the commerce, freighting, transportation, logistics, Education, sports, literature without government backing.. You are dominating music not entertainment, rituals, thugery, educational infrastructure not the brain, even though you have your almighty Lagos and govt to thank for most of your achievements.. |
Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by MSGAMBLE9: 6:14pm On Apr 10, 2023 |
Ojukwubucket:please give me names of the companies that are dominatming your so-called commerce, Freighting, Transportation Logistics I beg...I wan check something You people think commerce end with buying and selling... Freighting, the ships that import containers and container owner are they Igbo? buh the sellers in small cubicle shop and traffic are. If your people are dominate in the aforementioned sector they won't be screaming of eastern sea port or better still Marginalization. Same people that want sea-port in Anambra say they are dominating Education... the irony is just too glaring. Illiterate people without simple knowledge of geography dominating Education? haaaaa...! Yeye dey smell. 2 Likes |
Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by web5000: 8:43pm On Apr 10, 2023 |
MikeofAfrica: The same western powers that gave Achebe other awards. They supported his first book to be successful But the award he can't win, you change the narrative. #Hypocrites# 2 Likes |
Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by MikeofAfrica: 10:48pm On Apr 10, 2023 |
web5000: As long as I am concern, all the awards given to Soyinka and Achebe are fraud. If James Joyce, the greatest English writer of his era fails to win the Nobel Prize in literature because he spoke against the British monarch, then literary awards has long lost its value. Hence compare the popularity of Achebe's books and Soyinka's book here in Nigeria and other African nations. In Ghana today, because of the free fall of their economy, the popular saying in the nation is that " Ghana has turn to Umuofia" . Inotherword, Things has fallen Apart in Ghana. Hence Achebe's book is now a local African proverb. The same scenario is playing out in Kenya where his book " A man of the People" is very popular to the extent that the Kenyan Government has to pass a law to prevent Chinua Achebe books from dominating the literature of the nation. In all these African nations, none of Soyinka's book rings a bell. His most popular book, The trial of Brother Jero, is not a hotcake in the literary sector. Hence the Western nations can not stop a good product from selling itself in their territory. The best they can do is frustrate the author, Chinua Achebe, from getting the biggest award in literature while compensating him with other smaller awards to hide their motive. |
Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by MikeofAfrica: 11:03pm On Apr 10, 2023 |
aswani: The problem is that people like you attaches emotions to sensitive issues. However there is nothing like emotions in the diplomatic world. In 1990, Obasanjo was nominated by the African Union to be the Secretary General of the United Nations after it was zoned to Africa. He was highly favoured to grab the seat until the eleventh hour. Britian struck and denied him the position. Their reason was that Obasanjo had the gut to condemn the actrocities they were committing in South Africa. However that Situation did not stopped Obasanjo from been a good friend of the British government. I could remember that the Commonwealth meeting was held in Abuja during his regime and was honoured by both the the late Queen, her husband and the British Prime minister. Hence the fact that the same Britian stopped Achebe from winning the Nobel Prize does not mean that they hated him. It also does not mean that their ally, America hated him. It was a way of registering their displeasure about what he wrote about them. They might even like Achebe more than Soyinka hence wanted to use Soyinka to make Achebe get jealous. If that is achieve, then Achebe will get closer to them and also become their puppet who will not have the gut to criticize them again. That is how international politics is played. |
Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by aswani(m): 11:11pm On Apr 10, 2023 |
MikeofAfrica: "the fact that the same Britian stopped Achebe from winning the Nobel Prize" MikeofAfrica, I salute your imagination. 1 Like |
Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by web5000: 3:15am On Apr 11, 2023 |
MikeofAfrica: If they(western powers) had not helped him from the beginning, no one would even know Achebe in the first place. They made his book successful (as far as you are concerned this should be fraud too). The reason his book is used in other African nations that way is because it was one of the first( it was still the western influence that helped him) 1 Like |
Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by web5000: 3:22am On Apr 11, 2023 |
Yes Prof. Wole Soyinka can never be a bitter, tribalistic and bias man 1 Like |
Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by Ojukwubucket(m): 6:52am On Apr 11, 2023 |
MSGAMBLE9:It's obvious you are just ignorant and an ardent Igbo hater.. I should mention the companies for you so that you will still be bantering childishly and naively.. Go and do the research yourself.. But bottom line is.. If your tribe have gone through half of what Igbos have gone through and have had the advantages you guys have been having since the amalgamation, the number of beggers, thugs, illiterates in your region would have ravaged your region. Put an Igbo and your people in a level playing ground, we will dust your asz... Una no reach and you know it...so get lost .. Go and argue with less gifted people like you |
Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by MikeofAfrica: 8:21am On Apr 11, 2023 |
web5000: So it was the Western nations that made Achebe books to be more popular than Soyinka books here in Nigeria and even in Yoruba land. Why must you people glorify the Western nations as if they are gods. I will not be surprised if you next claim that it was the Western author that wrote Things fall Apart and dashed Achebe the book. That is the inferiority complex that is holding us back. Africa have come of age. Let's forget the Western nations and celebrate our owns. Both Achebe and Soyinka are icons in literature. Achebe focused on novels and poetry and in the process wrote a masterclass , Things fall t, that has been translated into over 50 languages. He wrote the book at the age of 26 and published it at 28. That is unbelievable. To make the story more interesting, Achebe was a medical student when he started writing his books. It was when he discovered his talent and love for writing that he switched to literature. Hence Achebe and Soyinka are two different kind of authors. Achebe is a naturally talented writer while Soyinka is a product of literary studies . This made Soyinka to be able to cover more genres of literature than Achebe because he is more grounded in literature while Achebe is more talented. |
Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by orisa37: 8:49am On Apr 11, 2023 |
SOYINKA IS ODU-DU-IWA A LIFE PEACE BOND. NO CHANCE FOR CHINU ACHEBE IN HIM. |
Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by HayB100(m): 8:55am On Apr 11, 2023 |
Enemyofpeace:Oloun seh 🤣🤣🤣 |
Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by MSGAMBLE9: 9:23am On Apr 11, 2023 |
Ojukwubucket:what IBO people went through is caused Azikwe duplicity(betrayed Awolowo by doing dirty deals with Northerner's to become president and on indivisibility of Nigeria) and Ojukwu ego, greediness and cowardice (why covet Lagos by siezing Edo and attacking Ore when you already have your Biafra comfortably)...so don't blame anybody for your people misfortune buh your dubious Leaders for making una economic refugees in Nigeria. Most of your kinmens hawk in traffic or doing nwa boy-boy and we know beggars cant be chooser...even Nollywood your people stable, they are slowly been driven out cos they cant compete in Cinema and Streaming age. I tell you to mention companies owned by IBO in Freighting bcoz have worked in Apapa with Barnaly fishing company...I Know as e dey go. Most electronics container import are by Yoruba investors ( politicians, Chieftains and shadowy white people) buh the sellers in market are your people..dozens of people sharing each container. I don't hate Ibo people, buh chest-beating won't help you guys...there are many Yoruba farm owners in Edo state buh they will never be disrespectful or call Edo Land no Man's land. Peace bro. 2 Likes |
Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by Ojukwubucket(m): 10:40am On Apr 11, 2023 |
MSGAMBLE9: Na wetin dey vex u? No man's land...lol.. Whether you like it or not, Igbo hold the economy of the country. You call it petty trading but they are building mansions in Lagos and Abuja.. Igbos are the most economically comfortable tribe in Nigeria.. But your people and the northerners with wealth most definitely got them through government connections.. Finally it was because of envy which has been passed down from generation to generation by ur brother awololwo that made him through tribal sentiments removed nnamdi Azikiwe as the vice chancellor of UI. Your people have always seen us a threat and competition because we are the only tribe in Nigeria that have matched you achievements for achievements despite all the advantages you have over us.. We Igbos don't even see u as competition..we know we are better than you guys . Give us a level playing ground and we will floor you.. No be mouth...na grace |
Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by MSGAMBLE9: 11:05am On Apr 11, 2023 |
Ojukwubucket:yes IBO hold Nigeria economic then why do your people complain of Marginalization and why is the East referred to as Southern ghetto. You control Nigeria economic yet you are begging for level playing field? this your chest-beating no add up at all. Just name any IBO owned company that control or a major stakeholder in any Nigerian sector like Glo(Adenuga), Guinness Ngr (Adeleke),Alakija of Freighting business, Awosika of Commercial banking or BUA of Agriculture... please am waiting. If you wan play victims please do..if na chest-beating let us know... some of your kinmens( the smartest ones) in Lagos change their names to blend in to avoid stigma associated with being a ibo e.g Bola shagaya, Hermes of last BBN denies his heritage on national TV, Bella nko spit on his background when discussing way of life of his people. Beggars can't be choosers, nwa boy-boy and traffic hawkers buying properties in Abuja and Lagos? is this a joke. Yeye dey smell! |
Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by web5000: 11:57am On Apr 11, 2023 |
MikeofAfrica: So because he wanted to study medicine and later changed to English means he is more talented than everyone in the world that discovered their talent straight up? Funny. "He abandoned medicine to study English, history, and theology" So your point does not even hold water. The bottom line is that he studied it in school. Talking about age. Some people make name even at 20yrs. 27yrs is enough time to learn and master a skill. It all depends on time & chances. He graduated from the university first - meaning he studied English for some years. So.. Achebe who had been studying English for several years before he died did not cover more genres? So because Ronaldinho went to football academy/club means he is not naturally talented? *Soyinka is naturally talented (more talented than Achebe)* Also I said, The reason his book is used in other African nations that way is because it was one of the first (And sure western influenced helped out also) Finally no one is hyping western power. I am just saying it as it is- not blinded by ego/pride/ethnicity/ false claim. Because You claimed that western nations were against him. Yet they helped made his book successful, they gave him awards etc... 1 Like |
Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by Ojukwubucket(m): 2:12pm On Apr 11, 2023 |
MSGAMBLE9:Lol..I really enjoy coming down to ur level to enlighten you but you will never learn.. From your write up one will know you are naive and ignorant..so u think having one person from your tribe leading in a particular sector makes u dominant in that sector..lol Having dangote as the richest man doesn't translate to Hausa being the richest tribe in Nigeria..I hope you have learnt one thing from me or else u remain ignorant forever.. You said I'm begging for a level playing field.. I'm not begging since u can't read and understand well...I mean remove govt connection and regional influence eg an Igbo and yooroba contesting on a neutral ground in whatever field..there is 90% possibility an Igbo will come out on top... And u keep bringing irrelevant topics ... U want to be the one to send message last and be the winner oya comment last and win and keep wallowing in ur ignorance and envy for Igbo.. Igbo will keep succeeding and bettering you and you will keep envying and hating to console yourself... |
Re: Charly Boy Said Wole Soyinka Can Never Be The Man Achebe Was by MSGAMBLE9: 3:28pm On Apr 11, 2023 |
Ojukwubucket:niigga drop names don't give me epistle..I know you people have no bragging right except chest-beating that will only impress your bloda Hawking in traffic or nwa boy-boy grabbing customers cloth so they could eat for evening... We dominate everywhere no be for mouth or beating of hairy chest. So much for chest-beater...una yeye never do! Deveropers feeling funky. 1 Like |
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