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duro4chang:
Lie lie lie . Nothing can happen. Nobody, no court can remove Tinubu.

Because your drug pusher is who or what?.

helinues:
Vacate office and destabilize our democracy bah?

Fear don dey catch dis one. He wan begin emotionally blackmail us ;

franchasofficia:
This is the simple truth, nothing but the truth.



INEC failed to follow its own election guidelines which gave many candidates and even voters the boldness and assurance that their vote would count and made many risked their lives to ensure they cast their votes.



If Nigerians and many candidates of the last election knew that INEC wouldn't follow their guidelines, especially the upload of result in realtime, believe me, many candidates wouldn't have contested and those that did wouldn't have put in much effort, and millions of Nigerians wouldn't have bothered going out to vote cos Nigeria's election is usually rigged during result collation.



So the introduction of the result upload direct from polling units as the election was going on gave Nigerians the confidence that their vote would count in 2023 Presidential and Governorship elections.

One thing I’ve discovered in Nigeria is that a lot of us have lost the sense of right and wrong. They are Machiavellian that they rationalize evil and expect everyone to move on.

But no, we don’t all have dead conscience. Some of us still know what is right and we will continue to insist on it no matter what the sophistry and rhetorics of evil rationalizers.

Lotanna2:
What stopped obi from tendering manual results showing how he won or where they were massive rigging?

Do you know more than Obi on how best to prosecute his case?

Penguin2:
Do you know more than Obi on how best to prosecute his case?

Is this your way of conceding defeat?

Penguin2:
One thing I’ve discovered in Nigeria is that a lot of us have lost the sense of right and wrong. They are Machiavellian that they rationalize evil and expect everyone to move on.

But no, we don’t all have dead conscience. Some of us still know what is right and we will continue to insist on it no matter what the sophistry and rhetorics of evil rationalizers.

Bring massive proof of rigging and shut Batists up.have you seen anyone challenge Enugu tribunal

ottersberger:
Because your drug pusher is who or what?.

That deranged man obi whom is now your lord and savior can never never be president of Nigeria. He is a loser. He can't never win. He is a bigot. A pathological liar.All Obi'ngos are Miscreants.

Lotanna2:
Guidelines in 2015 said they should use card reader.guidekines in 2019 said they should use server.what happened eventually?

I can understand your stand now, you support illegality so long as it favors the person you are supporting, not that you don't know what's right and wrong, its alright

duro4chang:
That deranged man obi whom is now your lord and savior can never never be president of Nigeria. He is a loser. He can't never win. He is a bigot. A pathological liar.All Obi'ngos are Miscreants.

The pathological liar and drug pusher you children of perdition lined up behind will have his day with fate, and we will be here to laugh at your phoolishness. Until then...

ottersberger:
The pathological liar and drug pusher you children of perdition lined up behind will have his day with fate, and we will be here to laugh at your phoolishness. Until then...

Obi is a liar. He is a loser. He will cry again. Yes daddy. Amen daddy

ottersberger:
Because your drug pusher is who or what?.

Obi is a thief

duro4chang:
Obi is a thief

Like your papa and his papa before him

Penguin2:
It’s not my intention to drag you into another round of back and forth.

But one thing I need to clarify is that I’m not being emotional about anything. There were obvious infractions during the election; this much has been confirmed by even the European Union 🇪🇺. So I find it abhorrable that you would consider my constant reechoing of this obvious reality as being emotional.

I know you would want to make reference to how it was in 2003, 2007 and 2019. But that infractions were tolerated then and people took it with equanimity doesn’t mean we should continue to walk in that path.

INEC failed to adhere to the Constitution, the Electoral Act and their own Guidelines. This should be punished.

The only reason I called your attention here is because I wanted you to see that INEC guidelines is justiciable in law unlike the narrative that you and Garfield have been pushing; that the court will only look at the constitution and the EA.

See, 2023 presidential election cannot stand, no matter how some of you try to rationalize the criminality that took place that day.

The bolded is where it's always at.

I have asked you one question to even point out one place where I have said the INEC guidelines is not justiciable in law...I say these things for reference so that you can quote me rightly.

In Adeleke, I remember arguing here with some that the register of voters is needed to prove over-voting. Many can bear me witness... The voter's register is not in the EA but in the guidelines.

So why will I justify the voters Register (a product of the INEC guidelines) in Oyetola v Adeleke, now come here to say it is non-justicable?

I am happy that you have not reacted to copious words from the INEC guidelines itself, that means we are making progress.

seunmsg:
If the election is invalidated on the ground of substantial noncompliance with the electoral act, a fresh election involving all the candidates will be ordered and not a rerun election.

So, was the noncompliance with one of the INEC guidelines (not constitutional or electoral act provisions) substantial enough to affect the result of the election? How exactly did the failure of INEC to upload result to IREV from polling units affect the outcome of the election? So, why will the Supreme Court want to throw the entire country into chaos and political instability over something that did not affect the result of the election?

the country will not be thrown into chaos and instability when the court order for a fresh election. In fact those who ensured that the election didn't comply with the electoral act and their beneficiaries should be held responsible for any chaos and political instability this country might be thrown into

fergie001:
The bolded is where it's always at.

I have asked you one question to even point out one place where I have said the INEC guidelines is not justiciable in law...I say these things for reference so that you can quote me rightly.

I don’t wanna seem like I’m insisting on things you didn’t say, but on what basis have you been arguing that the election will be upheld if you have not been dismissive of INEC Guidelines?

Was it on the bases of pre-2022 Electoral Act precedents? Because the only precedent set by the highest court of the land after the 2022 Electoral Act became law, makes allusions to INEC Guidelines including the transmission of results which is one of the things you have been dismissing.

So, while you may not have been as dismissive of INEC Guidelines like Lotanna2 (Garfield1), your arguments so far suggest that that’s what you imply (unstated assumption).

I am happy that you have not reacted to copious words from the INEC guidelines itself, that means we are making progress.

How can you say I’ve not reacted to the copious words of INEC Guidelines since that is even more indicting of INEC than even the Electoral Act.

Let’s take Regulation 38 that was referred to by the Supreme Court in the Osun Judgment, the regulation even helped banish the ambiguity that is seen in the word transfer and transmit.

Recall that APC wanted to hide under semantics to try to exploit the technicalities of language by suggesting that what is in the Electoral Act is “Transfer”, not “Transmit”. Now, Regulation 38 solves that confusion by using these two words interchangeably.

If we were to examine the entire copious of the guidelines, you would see that INEC did not confirm to almost 50% of what were stated in the guidelines which formed the basis of the trust that the Nigerian people, political parties, candidates and international community, had going into the elections.

My point therefore, is that INEC even has better chance of escaping the atrocities they committed on February 25, 2023 if their own guidelines were to be discarded than if its copious is examined and applied in judging the conduct and outcome of the election.

[quote author=Penguin2 post=124362093][/quote]Whether allusions or assumptions, the only thing I see is you trying to tie something to me that I said or did not say.

How you jump to 38 without (37) is even funny

37. After completing the EC8A result sheet, the Presiding Officer shall complete and paste the completed Publication of Result Poster EC60(E) at the Polling Unit conspicuously. Pasting of Form EC60E is mandatory and failure to do so may amount to dereliction of duty.


(91)The following principles shall guide the collation of election results:

Voting takes place at Polling Units. Therefore, Forms EC8A and EC60E are the building blocks for any collation of results;

I don't know what's difficult to understand?
What are you scanning using the BVAS, isn't it Form EC8A?
What will you upload, isn't it a scanned copy of Form EC8A on BVAS?

Leave what APC is saying or what Yakubu is saying ... The Court is looking at the paper, at the laws.

https://www.nairaland.com/7758969/why-court-going-invalidate-order/2#124338828 (I have made a very comprehensive riposte on this subject matter and that is my humble and unbiased position)..

It is self-explanatory!
You want a cancellation of the Presidential Election which to me should and will never happen.

fergie001:
Whether allusions or assumptions, the only thing I see is you trying to tie something to me that I said or did not say.

How you jump to 38 without (37) is even funny

37. After completing the EC8A result sheet, the Presiding Officer shall complete and paste the completed Publication of Result Poster EC60(E) at the Polling Unit conspicuously. Pasting of Form EC60E is mandatory and failure to do so may amount to dereliction of duty.


(91)The following principles shall guide the collation of election results:

Voting takes place at Polling Units. Therefore, Forms EC8A and EC60E are the building blocks for any collation of results;

I don't know what's difficult to understand?
What are you scanning using the BVAS, isn't it Form EC8A?
What will you upload, isn't it a scanned copy of Form EC8A on BVAS?

Leave what APC is saying or what Yakubu is saying ... The Court is looking at the paper, at the laws.

https://www.nairaland.com/7758969/why-court-going-invalidate-order/2#124338828 (I have made a very comprehensive riposte on this subject matter and that is my humble and unbiased position)..

It is self-explanatory!
You want a cancellation of the Presidential Election which to me should and will never happen.

It’s becoming increasingly apparent that you are an institutionalist who would rather the status quo is maintained than disrupting the system.

Look at you highlighting one aspect of the regulations which states what INEC should do within the four walls of their collation room while leaving out the aspect of the regulations that stipulated what they should do to bring the public into the process and ensure transparency.

You are assuming that INEC is made up of infallible agents who are so sincere that they always compute the right figures as contained in forms EC8A and EC60E without manipulations. Or they are free to manipulate (while shutting the public out) and whoever is disgruntled with the process should go to court?

Penguin2:
You are assuming that INEC is made up of infallible agents who are so sincere that they always compute the right figures as contained in forms EC8A and EC60E without manipulations. Or they are free to manipulate (while shutting the public out) and whoever is disgruntled with the process should go to court?

But it is these same forms that will be scanned and uploaded?
These same forms will still remain with your agents and the Police right?

You have been quoting guidelines and all of a sudden I quote one, it is infallibility.

September is not far, what I see is just a reason to tie up the Judges as biased.

fergie001:
But it is these same forms that will be scanned and uploaded?
These same forms will still remain with your agents and the Police right?

You have been quoting guidelines and all of a sudden I quote one, it is infallibility.

September is not far, what I see is just a reason to tie up the Judges as biased.

The question is why would INEC choose which of its guidelines to obey and which to disobey?

One of its guidelines says, use form EC8A and EC60E as primary sources of collation (obeyed).

Another of its regulations says scan completed form EC8A with the BVAS machine and upload to INEC Result Viewing Portal (IREV) (disobeyed, in some cases where it was obeyed, they results were blurry).

Now, this is the most important and most critical aspect of the entire election - transperancy; but it was maliciously and illegally disregarded.

Now, how do INEC assure us that what they counted reflected what we voted since they shut us out of the collation process against the provisions of the law?

What is the need of elections if votes won’t count and be seen to have counted? Why don’t we switch to monarchy and do away with elections then?

And now after all these obvious infractions, visible to blind and audible to the deaf; attested to by generality of the Nigerian people, Civil Societies, Local and International Observers, you are telling me if the judiciary upholds it, I should not see them as biased.

Anything apart of declaration of the rightful winner of the election or annulment of the entire process, would be testament to the judiciary having sold her soul to devourers and we might as well do away with laws and regulations in Nigeria cuz they would be useless.

The joy in this case is the exposure of iniquity some people are rejoicing in it.
Remember The Almighty Judge will judge those rejoicing in iniquity and show them the way to hell.

Penguin2:
It’s becoming increasingly apparent that you are an institutionalist who would rather the status quo is maintained than disrupting the system.

Look at you highlighting one aspect of the regulations which states what INEC should do within the four walls of their collation room while leaving out the aspect of the regulations that stipulated what they should do to bring the public into the process and ensure transparency.

You are assuming that INEC is made up of infallible agents who are so sincere that they always compute the right figures as contained in forms EC8A and EC60E without manipulations. Or they are free to manipulate (while shutting the public out) and whoever is disgruntled with the process should go to court?

You know his antecedents before the election and whom he was supporting.
Why are you feigning ignorant and engaging in endless merry go round?
That he is " your bros" doesn't mean he must support who u supported. Leave him alone and You should rest and wait for the judge to do their work at this point.

descarado:
You know his antecedents before the election and whom he was supporting.
Why are you feigning ignorant and engaging in endless merry go round?
That he is " your bros" doesn't mean he must support who u supported. Leave him alone and You should rest and wait for the judge to do their work at this point.

You are right.

But he claimed Atiku was his candidate. But he arguments so far makes me question if truly Atiku was his candidate or it was a decoy.

Penguin2:
It’s becoming increasingly apparent that you are an institutionalist who would rather the status quo is maintained than disrupting the system.

Look at you highlighting one aspect of the regulations which states what INEC should do within the four walls of their collation room while leaving out the aspect of the regulations that stipulated what they should do to bring the public into the process and ensure transparency.

You are assuming that INEC is made up of infallible agents who are so sincere that they always compute the right figures as contained in forms EC8A and EC60E without manipulations. Or they are free to manipulate (while shutting the public out) and whoever is disgruntled with the process should go to court?

Couldn’t stop laughing while reading the part in bold. Why not just come out and call fergie001 a closet Batist. Or are you scared to tell the entire world that you’ve found Agbado in fergie001’s pocket? 🤣🤣🤣

Come fergie001, why did you ignore the part in bold in your response to this comment? You know I’m your friend, tell me how much Tinubu paid you to push this Tinubu 🌽 agenda?

On a more serious note, I think reasonable Nigerians can now see how vile, unreasonable, emotionally charged and logically deficient most of these noisy Obidients are. These are the set of people we’ve been dealing with across all platforms since last year. Will they stop by September like fergie001 said, I don’t know but I don’t think so.

Being an obedient is a disease. It makes people dead to logic and common sense. It makes them deny the obvious. They need healing after the court case.

seunmsg:
Couldn’t stop laughing while reading the part in bold. Why not just come out and call fergie001 a closet Batist. Or are you scared to tell the entire world that you’ve found Agbado in fergie001’s pocket? 🤣🤣🤣

Come fergie001, why did you ignore the part in bold in your response to this comment? You know I’m your friend, tell me how much Tinubu paid you to push this Tinubu 🌽 agenda?

On a more serious note, I think reasonable Nigerians can now see how vile, unreasonable, emotionally charged and logically deficient most of these noisy Obidients are. These are the set of people we’ve been dealing with across all platforms since last year. Will they stop by September like fergie001 said, I don’t know but I don’t think so.

Being an obedient is a disease. It makes people dead to logic and common sense. It makes them deny the obvious. They need healing after the court case.

Well, I’m not going to call Fergie a Batist until he professes so himself even though all his arguments so far points to the fact that he wants Tinubu to remain in power for whatever reasons best known to him.

About logicality and illogicality….

I want you to answer few questions:

Is it illogical to state the fact that INEC disobeyed the Electoral Act and INEC guidelines said that in collation of votes, form EC8A should be snapped and uploaded to the IREV so the public can follow the collation process in order to eliminate electoral fraud?

Is it illogical to state that in instances where INEC made pretenses of uploading results, what were uploaded were blurred in some occasions?

Is it illogical to state that after we had voted and results carefully and neatly entered in form EC8As, we later saw mutilated versions of these forms with tipex on them and the figures viciously mutilated?

Is it illogical to state and reinforce that INEC failed to show transparency in collation of votes (the most critical component of the entire electoral process) after the promised Nigerians and the world that they would do that?

If Obidients are being illogical for stating these things, is European Union Observers Mission, American Observers, Civil Society Organizations, etc, illogical too?

If your answer to the above is yes, pray, what is logic?

seunmsg:
Couldn’t stop laughing while reading the part in bold. Why not just come out and call fergie001 a closet Batist. Or are you scared to tell the entire world that you’ve found Agbado in fergie001’s pocket? 🤣🤣🤣

Come fergie001, why did you ignore the part in bold in your response to this comment? You know I’m your friend, tell me how much Tinubu paid you to push this Tinubu 🌽 agenda?

On a more serious note, I think reasonable Nigerians can now see how vile, unreasonable, emotionally charged and logically deficient most of these noisy Obidients are. These are the set of people we’ve been dealing with across all platforms since last year. Will they stop by September like fergie001 said, I don’t know but I don’t think so.

Being an obedient is a disease. It makes people dead to logic and common sense. It makes them deny the obvious. They need healing after the court case.

So how come you’re the one derailing the conversation happening here with your vile, unreasonable, emotional charged, logically deficient and unsolicited psychoanalysis of so the called Obidients? lol

Disease is usually diagnosed from individual to individual and it’s pretty clear to anyone reading this thread who is infected here lmao

What’s the saying about a black pot and kettle again? lol

PS: The fact that Penguin2 replied with grace to your borderline hate speech further emphasises the point lol. He’s a better man than me

Penguin2:
Well, I’m not going to call Fergie a Batist until he professes so himself even though all his arguments so far points to the fact that he wants Tinubu to remain in power for whatever reasons best known to him.

About logicality and illogicality….

I want you to answer few questions:

Is it illogical to state the fact that INEC disobeyed the Electoral Act and INEC guidelines said that in collation of votes, form EC8A should be snapped and uploaded to the IREV so the public can follow the collation process in order to eliminate electoral fraud?

Is it illogical to state that in instances where INEC made pretenses of uploading results, what were uploaded were blurred in some occasions?

Is it illogical to state that after we had voted and results carefully and neatly entered in form EC8As, we later saw mutilated versions of these forms with tipex on them and the figures viciously mutilated?

Is it illogical to state and reinforce that INEC failed to show transparency in collation of votes (the most critical component of the entire electoral process) after the promised Nigerians and the world that they would do that?

If Obidients are being illogical for stating these things, is European Union Observers Mission, American Observers, Civil Society Organizations, etc, illogical too?

If your answer to the above is yes, pray, what is logic?

(91)The following principles shall guide the collation of election results:

Voting takes place at Polling Units. Therefore, Forms EC8A and EC60E are the building blocks for any collation of results;
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(92) At every level of collation, where the INEC copy of collated results from the immediate lower level of collation exists, it shall be adopted for collation.

(93)Where the INEC hardcopy of collated results from the immediate lower level of collation does not exist, [b]the Collation Officer shall use electronically transmitted results or results from the IReV portal to continue collation. Where none of these exist, the Collation Officer shall ask for duplicate hardcopies issued by the Commission to the following bodies in the order below: (i) The Nigeria Police Force; and (ii) Agents of Political Parties.

What i consider illogical and absolutely unreasonable is reading the above clause of the law and still arguing blindly that not uploading result to IREV directly from polling unit is enough ground for canceling the presidential election.

Even by mere gathering and collating form EC8A given to police officers on duty, INEC can validly declare a winner even when results electronically transmitted to BVAS or uploaded to IREV are not available. So, can’t you see clearly that not uploading result at all to IREV can never be a ground for canceling the election in as much as the original form EC8A is available? So, what exactly are you arguing about?

I highlighted the part in bold purposely so that I can correct the ignorant impression from you guys that electronic transmission of result as used severally in the electoral act and INEC guideline means uploading of result from polling units to IREV. That is not true. Electronic transmission as you can is different from uploading to IREV. It simply means using BVAS to scan and save the form EC8A at the polling unit and taking it directly to the ward collation centre. When there is discrepancy between the result reflected on the physical form EC8A and the copies given to party agents, the collation officer will use the result scanned and saved on BVAS to resolve the discrepancy. It is when BVAS is not available that IREV may be used.

wegevv:
So how come you’re the one derailing the conversation happening here with your vile, unreasonable, emotional charged, logically deficient and unsolicited psychoanalysis of so the called Obidients? lol

Disease is usually diagnosed from individual to individual and it’s pretty clear to anyone reading this thread who is infected here lmao

What’s the saying about a black pot and kettle again? lol

PS: The fact that Penguin replied with grace to your borderline hate speech further emphasises the point lol. He’s a better man than me

Lol! You need to understand the aim of Seunmsg and his ilk…

Their aim is to draw me, or any major Obi supporter to insult them so that they can report you and get you banned.

But they don’t know that I (we) am light years ahead of them.

Like Obi, my engagement with them shall continue to be about issues and never insults and vile no matter the provocation.

seunmsg:
What i consider illogical and absolutely unreasonable is reading the above clause of the law and still arguing blindly that not uploading result to IREV directly from polling unit is enough ground for canceling the presidential election.

Even by mere gathering and collating form EC8A given to police officers on duty, INEC can validly declare a winner even when results electronically transmitted to BVAS or uploaded to IREV are not available. So, can’t you see clearly that not uploading result at all to IREV can never be a ground for canceling the election in as much as the original form EC8A is available? So, what exactly are you arguing about?

I highlighted the part in bold purposely so that I can correct the ignorant impression from you guys that electronic transmission of result as used severally in the electoral act and INEC guideline means uploading of result from polling units to IREV. That is not true. Electronic transmission as you can is different from uploading to IREV. It simply means using BVAS to scan and save the form EC8A at the polling unit and taking it directly to the ward collation centre. When there is discrepancy between the result reflected on the physical form EC8A and the copies given to party agents, the collation officer will use the result scanned and saved on BVAS to resolve the discrepancy. It is when BVAS is not available that IREV may be used.

You have not answered the question I asked you.

You accused Obidients of being emotional and illogical, but everything Obidients have been saying, the European Union has reechoed and even more.

Are you therefore saying that the European Union is also being emotional and illogical?

Again, is result upload to IREV an optional provision for INEC or mandatory?

What date will they give verdict?

Penguin2:
You have not answered the question I asked you.

You accused Obidients of being emotional and illogical, but everything Obidients have been saying, the European Union has reechoed and even more.

Are you therefore saying that the European Union is also being emotional and illogical?

Again, is result upload to IREV an optional provision for INEC or mandatory?

EU said INEC did not comply with the regulation that says result should be uploading to IREV from polling stations. So, what’s the big deal about that? Who is not aware that over 80% of results were not uploaded directly from polling units on Election Day?

Are you also not aware that INEC server came under
heavy attacks on Election Day? Are you not aware that INEC server experienced serious glitches on Election Day? Are you also not aware that the Supreme Court made it clear in the case of Oyetola vs Adeleke that network problem, BVAS low battery, availability of data, not pressing send properly on BVAS etc can prevent direct uploading of data real time from polling units?

Did EU call for the cancellation of the election? So, what’s the point bringing EU into this? Has there ever been any election since 1999 that EU has not faulted one or two procedures? So, why should EU report be the basis for canceling 2023 election?

Penguin2:
You are right.

But he claimed Atiku was his candidate. But he arguments so far makes me question if truly Atiku was his candidate or it was a decoy.

And you believed that?

Lots of people cos of backlash disowned tinubu.
Some gained their voices when they noticed inec is favouring tinubu. Some changed monikers to support him. Some were supporting atiku yet tinubu was their choice. You have to read in between lines. Some didnt voice thrir opinion until tinubu was declared president and the hatred ftom them started oozing out. The same way some supporters of obi today were actually atikus's supporters but cos atiku has very low chance of winning the tribunal, they have gone back to obi and yes, they are from obi's tribe. Dont be surprised if obi wins at the tribunal, more than 50% of tinubu supporters will do 360 and start yarning dust. Freedom.
In politics, one is free to support anybody.
U use what you learnt here in real life when dealing with people. This place is like school.

seunmsg:
EU said INEC did not comply with the regulation that says result should be uploading to IREV from polling stations. So, what’s the big deal about that? Who is not aware that over 80% of results were not uploaded directly from polling units on Election Day?

Are you also not aware that INEC server came under
heavy attacks on Election Day? Are you not aware that INEC server experienced serious glitches on Election Day? Are you also not aware that the Supreme Court made it clear in the case of Oyetola vs Adeleke that network problem, BVAS low battery, availability of data, not pressing send properly on BVAS etc can prevent direct uploading of data real time from polling units?

Did EU call for the cancellation of the election? So, what’s the point bringing EU into this? Has there ever been any election since 1999 that EU has not faulted one or two procedures? So, why should EU report be the basis for canceling 2023 election?

So, you lost it in the bold part of your statement. And to think that you severally called others illogical and vile. Now, assuming everything you claimed did happened, and these unfortunate chains of events somehow connived with themselves to affect only the presidential election process in an election that simultaneously occasioned with two others.

Where exactly is the logic in your logic?.