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Any verdict that does not explicitly get rid of this poisonous BAT is a waste of time. Whether Atiku or Obi is declared the rightful winner o, or whether the useless BAT is disqualified from any so-called rerun... it will fine by me.

It will be counterproductive and a travesty to allow this evil, infinitely dubious idiot to run again with all his corruptive devices and clandestine mechanisms. He needs to be confined to the dustbin of history. And it has to be emphatic, decisive and unequivocal.

Penguin2:
The question is why would INEC choose which of its guidelines to obey and which to disobey?

I have said it countless times that INEC needs to be reprimanded. They have a moral baggage on why transmission of results to IReV had k-leg. Is it enough to cancel a Presidential Election because it was not viewed on IReV, my humble opinion is NO.

One of its guidelines says, use form EC8A and EC60E as primary sources of collation (obeyed).

Not just the use of Form EC8A, the building block, the foundation, the most important aspect of results collation are these forms.

That was how Hope Uzodinma became Governor, via the SC.

Another of its regulations says scan completed form EC8A with the BVAS machine and upload to INEC Result Viewing Portal (IREV) (disobeyed, in some cases where it was obeyed, they results were blurry).

It rests on the petitioners to isolate these ones and challenge same in Court.

Again, the Police also have copies so the petitioners have to ensure that they produce their own copies in evidence. Another thing is that they can also produce the BVAS machines or CTCs thereof.

Now, this is the most important and most critical aspect of the entire election - transparency; but it was maliciously and illegally disregarded.

That is not the most important aspect..... The most important aspect of the election is for the results in Form EC8A to tally with results on the BVAS ​machines which expectedly will go to IReV.

IReV is only for public viewing. Even if these results aren't uploaded on IReV, BVAS machines scanned them.

See, results were collated via the forms, BVAS scanned them but they couldn't be uploaded to IREV. Very simple, produce the machines and tender same with Form EC8A duplicate copies with the agents and the Police.

Again, is it safe to say that areas where there is no network coverage for uploading therefore the election should also be cancelled there?

Is it safe also to say human and machine error can also not take place?

It is therefore safe to say anywhere IReV is not uploaded, cancel the results.

Now, how do INEC assure us that what they counted reflected what we voted since they shut us out of the collation process against the provisions of the law?

There is no substantial non-compliance in my view.

What is the need of elections if votes won’t count and be seen to have counted? Why don’t we switch to monarchy and do away with elections then?

But you said below there is a rightful winner. How did you count the votes?

And now after all these obvious infractions, visible to blind and audible to the deaf; attested to by generality of the Nigerian people, Civil Societies, Local and International Observers, you are telling me if the judiciary upholds it, I should not see them as biased.

Anything apart of declaration of the rightful winner of the election or annulment of the entire process, would be testament to the judiciary having sold her soul to devourers and we might as well do away with laws and regulations in Nigeria cuz they would be useless.

Who in your opinion is the rightful winner?
The man who came 2nd or the one who came 3rd?

There is what we call presumption of regularity (Omnia praesumuntur rite esse acta) in Latin ...Tinubu is President and rightful winner only Courts will say otherwise.

The evidence to me is not rich enough!

Going further, this is not the first time CLOs and others have criticised our elections. Even in 2015, our General Elections have not gone as planned.

It is strange to me to say the SC should cancel the Presidential Election because it was not uploaded on IReV.

I liken this situation of you writing a University exam and because results were not uploaded on the Departmental Board then the exam should be cancelled (when your scripts and results have been forwarded by the lecturer in charge).

Elections for National Assembly took place same day and same time...... So we should discard the foundation and building-block because of public viewing?

The National Assembly should also be cancelled because voting and results took place at same PUs... All went through same process save for public viewing.

I have said the moral baggage rests with INEC, other than that NOTHING

fergie001:
I have said it countless times that INEC needs to be reprimanded. They have a moral baggage on why transmission of results to IReV had k-leg. Is it enough to cancel a Presidential Election because it was not viewed on IReV, my humble opinion is NO.

You agree that INEC should be reprimanded but the output for which you want them reprimanded should be allowed to stand? Isn’t that contradictory? And what kind of reprimand would you suggest the court metes out on INEC?

Not just the use of Form EC8A, the building block, the foundation, the most important aspect of results collation are these forms.

That was how Hope Uzodinma became Governor, via the SC.

It rests on the petitioners to isolate these ones and challenge same in Court.

Again, the Police also have copies so the petitioners have to ensure that they produce their own copies in evidence. Another thing is that they can also produce the BVAS machines or CTCs thereof.

But all these stress and processes would have been eliminated had INEC simply followed the law rather than breaking the law and telling the aggrieved to go to court because they know the Judiciary is in their pocket.

That is not the most important aspect..... The most important aspect of the election is for the results in Form EC8A to tally with results on the BVAS ​machines which expectedly will go to IReV.

What else is transparency and credibility if not the figures on forms EC8A tallying with the figures the subsequent forms? Now, if you as the officer knew you had no intention of turning 1 into 10, why did shut the public out? And for shutting us out, whatever we said they did, we won’t be wrong.

It’s like catching you with a minor inside your room with your doors shut and your music loud, how would you blame us if we accuse you of defiling a minor? If didn’t want such accusation, why not have whatever engagement you were having with her in the open and in public view?

IReV is only for public viewing. Even if these results aren't uploaded on IReV, BVAS machines scanned them.

See, results were collated via the forms, BVAS scanned them but they couldn't be uploaded to IREV. Very simple, produce the machines and tender same with Form EC8A duplicate copies with the agents and the Police.

Again, is it safe to say that areas where there is no network coverage for uploading therefore the election should also be cancelled there?

Is it safe also to say human and machine error can also not take place?

It is therefore safe to say anywhere IReV is not uploaded, cancel the results.

This line of argument is very defective. You know why?

Do you recall that the senate refused to pass the electronic transmission of results as part of the Electoral Act in the initial stage? Some senators argued that they have no network in their villages and contended how INEC would upload results in such vicinity.

Do you remember what INEC response was? That they don’t depend on regular data. And even if they needed data, they got an MTN official (or was it an NBC official) who convinced the Senate that Nigeria has achieved about 98% data coverage which all added up in making the Senate soft pedal and pass that section.

Is it therefore not a contradiction on the part of INEC to now turnaround and adduce to poor data coverage as reason for non upload of results?

There is no substantial non-compliance in my view.

But you said below there is a rightful winner. How did you count the votes?

Who in your opinion is the rightful winner?
The man who came 2nd or the one who came 3rd?

Obi won the election. And don’t ask me to prove it because it’s already being done in court.

There is what we call presumption of regularity (Omnia praesumuntur rite esse acta) in Latin ...Tinubu is President and rightful winner only Courts will say otherwise.

The evidence to me is not rich enough!

Going further, this is not the first time CLOs and others have criticised our elections. Even in 2015, our General Elections have not gone as planned.

It is strange to me to say the SC should cancel the Presidential Election because it was not uploaded on IReV.

I liken this situation of you writing a University exam and because results were not uploaded on the Departmental Board then the exam should be cancelled (when your scripts and results have been forwarded by the lecturer in charge).

Elections for National Assembly took place same day and same time...... So we should discard the foundation and building-block because of public viewing?

The National Assembly should also be cancelled because voting and results took place at same PUs... All went through same process save for public viewing.

I have said the moral baggage rests with INEC, other than that NOTHING

I disagree that what INEC has is just a moral baggage. INEC also has legal baggage for which they must be punished and the output of action rectified or annulled.

The Courts do not base judgements on morality or emotions. It is the facts and evidence that determines who wins. INEC should be reprimanded for doing what morally they should have done rather than escaping based on a lacuna in our laws.

But all these stress and processes would have been eliminated had INEC simply followed the law rather than breaking the law and telling the aggrieved to go to court because they know the Judiciary is in their pocket.

Are you conceding already?
The Court process is still on. We are only bringing in our perspectives which are not sacrosanct.

What else is transparency and credibility if not the figures on forms EC8A tallying with the figures the subsequent forms? Now, if you as the officer knew you had no intention of turning 1 into 10, why did shut the public out? And for shutting us out, whatever we said they did, we won’t be wrong.

Transparency in any election is important, the lawyers are working on it.

Do you recall that the senate refused to pass the electronic transmission of results as part of the Electoral Act in the initial stage? Some senators argued that they have no network in their villages and contended how INEC would upload results in such vicinity.

Do you remember what INEC response was? That they don’t depend on regular data. And even if they needed data, they got an MTN official (or was it an NBC official) who convinced the Senate that Nigeria has achieved about 98% data coverage which all added up in making the Senate soft pedal and pass that section.

Is it therefore not a contradiction on the part of INEC to now turnaround and adduce to poor data coverage as reason for non upload of results?

You didn't understand what Yakubu said.

How will they not depend on network to upload on IReV, that is impossible. I do not think the network coverage is 100% predictable for an election this size in all parts of the Country.

The BVAS doesn't need the data for accreditation and/or scanning but for uploading to IReV (transmission/transfer), this must need network or internet coverage.

You can achieve almost 100% yet on that day something happens. Even in the most advanced democracies, it is not infallible. However, for all to go off same day same time is very suspicious but allegations of crime or fraud must be proven beyond any reasonable doubt.

Donald Trump still believes his re-election was hijacked.
Germany ended e-voting in 2009 after 2 voters approached the Court that the machines could be hacked.

Obi won the election. And don’t ask me to prove it because it’s already being done in court.

Maybe or maybe not, I believe PDP supporters still believe Atiku won as well so it is not unusual to believe a particular Candidate won. Be that as it may, with respect to what I explained before, the man there now is assumed so unless the Court believes otherwise.

I disagree that what INEC has is just a moral baggage. INEC also has legal baggage for which they must be punished and the output of action rectified or annulled.

I believe so but does it include cancellation of the election?
Anything that touches that Presidential Election must touch the National Assembly elections.

Again, like I say Form EC8A is the primary evidence, every other thing will rest on it.