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Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:50pm On Aug 14, 2023 |
Jokerman:So the child will remain a child forever shey? |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Janosky: 3:53pm On Aug 14, 2023 |
Jokerman:The Devil is not demons,demons work with the Devil. Mark 8:33 Jesus rebuke Peter not Satan. Please stick to what your Bible says. |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:54pm On Aug 14, 2023 |
Jokerman: All of them were formerly loyal spirit sons of God but they allowed themselves to be lured into committing sin! 2Peter 2:4 And after God has disengaged them from the duties they had in heaven they must become submissive to the angel who has already gained access to the planet through the rebellion of Adam. So they all had equal rights back in heaven but on earth Satan who is the ruler on planet earth is their ruler! 1 Like |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Jokerman(m): 3:54pm On Aug 14, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse: Lol... So why was Jesus casting out demons,binding them and casting them to the Abyss or into pigs brfore he went to the cross?? Or haven't you read that the devils were subject unto the disciples of Jesus before the successful mission on earth? Lol... At least you know that there were other angels, and what degree of angel is Gabriel... Is he an archangel or a normal angel? 😬 |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Jokerman(m): 3:59pm On Aug 14, 2023 |
Janosky: Who did Jesus rebuke in Matt 4? 1 Like |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:02pm On Aug 14, 2023 |
Jokerman: God's servants has the right to expel demons but Jesus' disciples don't know that as servants of God that authority belongs to them that's why Jesus told them that even faith as tiny as the mustard seed is enough to do that. They can't cage any demons all they can do is send them away from their territory so as not to disturb their preaching and teaching work in Israel! Jokerman:So learn today that only two angels were mentioned by name throughout the Bible: Michael and Gabriel, God's word called Michael the Archangel meaning the first and foremost of all the angels which is exactly the same description that was given to Jesus! |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Jokerman(m): 4:06pm On Aug 14, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse: So they all work with and for Satan then? |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:09pm On Aug 14, 2023 |
Jokerman:Of course Satan rules over all fallen angels on planet earth because he was a general (Cherub) back in heaven. |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Jokerman(m): 4:12pm On Aug 14, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse: Matthew 18:18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. 18:19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them. So why did Jesus tell his disciples this before he went to the cross? Where was Jesus called Angel in the Bible? 1 Like |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Janosky: 4:12pm On Aug 14, 2023 |
Jokerman:To your question Yes! For your mind,as soon as the male child was safe in God's care he begins rulership No, Sir ! "Sit at my right hand UNTIL I make your enemies a stool for your feet."Nah the command from God his Father. It doesn't mean 'sit on my throne' (the same throne of king David, Jesus ancestor). UNTIL.... This indicates passage of time.... |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:21pm On Aug 14, 2023 |
Jokerman: Jesus isn't talking about binding demons here rather he was referring to agreement they will make after praying as a group in his name shall be granted to them since it's all about the job he assigned to them. Jokerman:They must agree first if Jesus is allowed to be the chairman in their gathering that means it's his wise counsel that should serve as their guide. Jokerman:Who is the angel of God representing Jehovah while leading the Israelites from Egypt? Exodus 13:21 compare to Exodus 14:19 |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Emusan(m): 7:35pm On Aug 14, 2023 |
cornelboy: Good! So God is not lying which means He actually created everything By Himself. He also said the son made the heavens and the earth.. The Son is then A CREATOR because ONLY A CREATOR can Create Hebrews 1:10 So why are you now saying the Son isn't a Creator when The Father Himself said The Son is? And it says here that God created the universe through Jesus the son. Which means both must be the same. Figure it out 😂😂 I do, did you? |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Emusan(m): 7:58pm On Aug 14, 2023 |
Janosky: I know you can't say Jehovah is lying. So who created Heaven? Isaiah 44:24, Isaiah 48:13= Proverbs 8:27. let your NWT cause the severe pains for you Isaiah 48:13 "My own hand laid the foundation of the earth, And my right hand spread out the heavens. When I call to them, they stand up together. Isaiah 44: 24 "This is what Jehovah says, your Repurchaser, Who formed you since you were in the womb: “I am Jehovah, who made everything. I stretched out the heavens by myself, And I spread out the earth. Who was with me?" "When HE (Jehovah God in verse 22) established the heavens, I (Wisdom, Jesus Christ in 1 Cor 1:20,24) was there." So Jehovah is the One who actually established the heavens. So what did Wisdom actual CREATE if Jehovah is the one carrying out those activities? I use to tell you that Prov 8 is never in your support rather it keeps exposing your dull skull the more. 1 Corin 1:20,24 is against you, Jesus is the Power of God and the WISDOM of God. Do you know what that means? Dull headed JWs Daniel 4:30 is similar to Isaiah 44:22. It's not lying liar JWs. Nebuchadnezzar never claimed HE BUILT THE CITY WITH HIS OWN HAND OR any member of his body ever participated in the whole construction. I challenge you to provide a single verse like this from Nebuchadnezzar case "My own hand (Nebuchadnezzar) laid the foundation of the city, And my right hand (Nebuchadnezzar) spread out the city." "This is what Nebuchadnezzar says... “I am Jehovah(Nebuchadnezzar), who made everything. I(Nebuchadnezzar ) stretched out the city by myself, And I (Nebuchadnezzar) spread out the foundation. Who was with me?" Daniel 4:30,Who was with Nebuchadnezzar when he built the palace? Nothing like that in Dan 4:30. When your leaders with Devils mind can add to the scripture, who are you the follower? Emusan sold his brain to Trinity While you sold your brain to those lying 8 old men in Warwick |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Emusan(m): 8:07pm On Aug 14, 2023 |
Janosky: Smile...yet your brother who knows the truth clearly said and I quote "He also said the son made the heavens and the earth.. Hebrews 1:10 [10]He also says to the Son, “In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundation of the earth and made the heavens with your hands. Definitely you don't tell yourself the truth because everyone knows that Heb is ALL ABOUT the Son. Unfortunately, I know after the brainwashed by Watchtower he'll soon be claiming Heb 1:10 is about Jehovah Or : Capital YES! Jesus Himself agree to that. Mbanu!!! Says the deluded JWs! Proverbs 8:27 is the nemesis of Trinitarians. No! It's actually your nightmare! because The wisdom described in Prov 8 is just an ONLOOKER while God was actually carrying out the activities. So tell us One thing Wisdom CREATED according to Prov 8. They are desperate to elevate Jesus above God his Father ( meaning God his Senior). No! We actually remember what Jesus said that He existed ALONGSIDE OF His Father. While you Jehovah Witness relegated Jesus to ordinary Angel because of your evil mind against the Creator of you |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Emusan(m): 8:12pm On Aug 14, 2023 |
Janosky: Do you stick to what the Bible says or what Watchtower says? |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Emusan(m): 8:20pm On Aug 14, 2023 |
Janosky: Was the word "OTHER" in Col 1:16-18? Have you called it SPURIOUS? Hebrews 1:10 is copied from Psalms 102:24-25. But the content of Heb is all about the SON! Which means he knows what that verse means and who is actually about. I know he will soon ditch his own understanding of that verse when Watchtower brainwashing sets in @ Psalms 102:24-25, is Jesus Christ the God of king David? Yes! Reason why you're pained to marrow. Therefore, Jehovah God is referenced in Hebrew 1:10, this verse refers to Jehovah God. Liar! Everyone knows that verse is in reference to Jesus but since you know Jesus made Jesus the Creator you have to twist it. Anyways, your organisation has been trying since 100years and still failing. Proverbs 8:22,27, Jesus Christ ( Wisdom personified) stated that God his Father created the heaven. So Jesus was not the ONLY THING God the Father created Now Wisdom is personified again in Prov 8 the same you who claimed wisdom is a PERSON on this same thread, just see how Devil and evil doctrines is playing with your mind. |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Janosky: 8:47pm On Aug 14, 2023 |
Jokerman:The appropriate question is this: "Who did Jesus Christ RESIST @ Matthew chapter 4 verses 3 to 11?" The entire narrative of Matthew 4:3-11 is sum up in James 4:7. RESIST the devil. Oga, please read the screenshot attached
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Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Janosky: 8:56pm On Aug 14, 2023 |
Emusan: Emusan LIAR, continue DECEIVING YOURSELF. Greek Hebrew 1:10 "And, in the beginning....." Hebrews 1:10 Greek screenshot is against your FALSEHOOD. .
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Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Janosky: 9:00pm On Aug 14, 2023 |
Emusan: Psalms 102:24-25. Emusan LIAR,read , study your Bible and receive SENSE. |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Janosky: 9:07pm On Aug 14, 2023 |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Janosky: 10:05pm On Aug 14, 2023 |
Emusan: Emusan confused LIAR Proverbs 8:27-30 27“When He prepared the heavens, I was there, When He decreed a vault on the face of the deep, 28“When He set the clouds above, When He made the fountains of the deep strong, 29“When He gave to the sea its limit, So that the waters would not transgress His command, When He decreed the foundations of the earth, 30“Then I was beside Him, a master workman Emusan's says Jesus the Wisdom of God is an ONLOOKER in Proverbs 8:27-30. The created work man called Wisdom/Jesus Christ, Emusan relegated to "ONLOOKER" . |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Janosky: 10:09pm On Aug 14, 2023 |
Emusan:Emusan LIAR, you break speedometer for dullness. |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:10pm On Aug 14, 2023 |
Janosky:They say the wisdom of God is not a person on his own {Proverbs 8:1} yet Paul made us understand that Christ is the one called the wisdom of God! 1Corinthians 1:30 I'm just tired of trinitarians! |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by johnw47: 10:29pm On Aug 14, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse: lost false jw mad max of course saved Christians have good works oh blinded one for instance we have stopped with the lies and sewer mouth that you false jw's love and we are not saved by works but by God's grace: Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; Eph 2:9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. 2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by johnw47: 10:56pm On Aug 14, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse: oh duh lost false jw mad max you say: if Christians don't tell you satan's mob, about the works we do, makes us liars, see how dum you are oh false accuser like your father the devil: Rev_12:10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, "Now the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down, he who accuses them before our God day and night. Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies. you know i'm not interisted in chatting with you satan's mob i ocassionly show up a few of your very many lies, and am happy to keep doing that MaxInDHouse: You don't have anything tangible to say my guy you're just blabbing! Ecclesiastes 7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool like i said, and like Jesus said, don't give pearls to the dogs and pigs: Mat_7:6 Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by johnw47: 11:17pm On Aug 14, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse: lost false jw mad max who are "they", give some quotes, no, you are just lying again, aren't you, lying is your natural way of speaking just like it's your father the devil's natural way of speaking: Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies. |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by johnw47: 11:33pm On Aug 14, 2023 |
false jw's spend much of their time trying to show from the Bible things about them, Christians on the other hand show from the Bible things about Christ: that "Jesus is Lord" for example, false jw's preach mostly about how good false jw's are, Christians preach mostly about how good Christ is |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by cornelboy(f): 12:15am On Aug 15, 2023 |
Emusan:He claimed he did and still said the son did, they are the same person you say or trinity doctrine has wounded your reasoning. God created through Jesus. Simple! God is the creator. Everything still goes to God. Everything Jesus used was from God... You still have a lot to learn! |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by johnw47: 12:37am On Aug 15, 2023 |
Janosky: lost fraud jw janosky however Jesus even as a man could rebuked satan, while michael a spirit couldn't: Mat 4:10 Then Jesus *said to him, "Go, Satan! For it is written, 'YOU SHALL WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD, AND SERVE HIM ONLY.'" Jud 1:9 But Michael the archangel, when he disputed with the devil and argued about the body of Moses, did not dare pronounce against him a railing judgment, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!" of course The Word of God who made all that is made is far more powerful that michael one of the chief angels: Dan_10:13 "But the prince of the kingdom of Persia was withstanding me for twenty-one days; then behold, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I had been left there with the kings of Persia. ^^ a false jw once said here about that verse: "michael is one of the chief princes because there are different classes of angels each having their own chief" ^^ so funny, so michael according to false jw's isn't archangel/chief angel, over all of God's angels, however Jesus/The Word is chief over michael and all the angels, He bought them all into being: Joh 1:3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. ^^ God created nothing without Jesus, again showing that The Word of God isn't created, oh duh, dummies can't even see that: 2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by johnw47: 4:26am On Aug 15, 2023 |
cornelboy: lost false jw corny boy Sir yes sir, no Sir, three bags full Sir, you false jw's are each others idols, you talk like that to your idols, and you all being of the same line of thought say about Christ: don't talk about Jesus He is no one: Rev 20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:20am On Aug 15, 2023 |
johnw47: The quoted verse is talking about members of Jehovah's Witnesses within our gathering each of us is contributing to the great work we are doing globally as we have the undeserved kindness (grace) to participate in it so none of us should boast that he's greater than his fellow JW who is also contributing his or her quota in the disciple making WORK assigned to all of us. Not faithless miscreants claiming Christians with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines like you people that will quickly pick up weapons against one another in the face of politics and racism then say you have the grace to kill your fellow worshipers! Matthew 7:21-23 |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:29am On Aug 15, 2023 |
johnw47: Which of your numerous sects is practicing CHRISTIANITY? CHRIST JESUS prayed to his father for his disciples to have the same line of thought {John 17:22} he taught them to love their fellow believers just as he love them {John 13:34-35} he warned them not to hate their enemies {Matthew 5:44} he asked them to pray and bless their enemies {Luke 6:27-28} he taught them to separate themselves from worldly politics! John 17:14 So Mr John which of all these mixed up sects is practicing what Jesus commanded as a group today? |
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