honesttalk21:
How wrong am I here that you are unable to make a comment? Is this a lie?

As usual you singularly pick words out of a verse, how can this give meaning? We have shown you the fallacy in your previous translation to Quran 9:31 yet you still persist in singular translations?
Do you think Arabic is not a complete language and borrows from everywhere and anywhere like English language?

honesttalk21:

Yes Jibril is of the spirit of Allah. Knowledge of which mankind is only given little. Do you claim that mankind is as a wise God?

honesttalk21:

Have you considered the arguments of the Arians? Not saying they are correct although they have been against the promotion of a divine nature of Jesus.

Arianism holds theological position that arose in the fourth century regarding the divinity of Jesus Christ. Arius, the principal figure of this movement, put forth several key arguments against the belief in Jesus as fully divine. Firstly, he emphasized the unity of God and believed in a strict monotheism.
Arius argued that if Jesus was truly divine, it would undermine the oneness of God and introduce a form of polytheism.
Secondly, he claimed that since the Father is unbegotten, Jesus could not have been eternal or co-eternal with God.
Arius believed that Jesus, as the Son, was created by God at a certain point in time and therefore had a beginning.
Lastly, Arius pointed to biblical passages that appeared to portray Jesus as subordinate to God, undermining the idea of his full divinity.

TenQ:

If this was true, how come when the Jews asked Mohammed about the Spirit he did not say
"The Spirit is Jibril!"

To burst your lies:
Is Jibril an Angel?
Let's agree that Jibril is a spirit: are all angels spirit?





How many times would we Christians tell you that we believe in ONLY ONE God!?
Do you know a single Christian that believe that God is TWO or THREE or MORE?

How many times?


But then, we ask you basic theological questions to teach you the concept of Trinity BUT like a Mule you wouldn't listen.
I Challenge you to truthfully Answer these three Questions!
1. Jubril is an Angel who became a perfect man. While Jubril was a man, did he stop being an Angel?
Is this not Duality?
2. Jesus is the Word, the Spirit and the Man. While Jesus was a messanger, did he stop being the Word of Allah or did He stop being the Spirit of Allah?
Is this not Trinity?
3. When Mohammed went to heaven, and he met Abraham, Isaac, Jesus etc. Was this real or a figment of his imagination?
If it was real and it wasn't yet the time of Resurrection, does this not show that these prophets have a physical body (in their graves) and a spiritual body?
Is this not Duality?


But, you will come out to feign IGNORANCE thinking that such behaviour will sweep the truth under the carpet!?

TenQ:

Any language that cannot be translated into another language is a USELESS language.


Quran 9:31 was perfectly translated from the Arabic. Your problem is that you wish that it would say what you like and not what it says.

Suppose it is we Christians that argue mindlessly by reinterpretation of what is plain with different meanings, what will you say?

If the Quran is plain and simple to understand as according to Allah, then it shouldn't be given a different meaning from what the Arabic says.

honesttalk21:
Useless indeed. Did your translations follow and transfer the rules from one language into another?

Have you referred the explanation given on verbs and object the verb acts on the arabic language experts who disagree with explanation?

In Greek haven been translated from Hebrew or Aramaic:

Mark 1:1
Ἀρχὴ τοῦ εὐαγγελίου Ἰησοῦ [a]χριστοῦ.

Mark 1:14
Καὶ μετὰ τὸ παραδοθῆναι τὸν Ἰωάννην ἦλθεν ὁ Ἰησοῦς εἰς τὴν Γαλιλαίαν κηρύσσων τὸ [w]εὐαγγέλιον τοῦ θεοῦ

Another translation in English says:
And after the delivering up of John, Jesus came to Galilee, proclaiming the good news of the reign of God

Or
Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God

honesttalk21:
Q2:87 And We did certainly give Moses the Torah and followed up after him with messengers. And We gave Jesus, the son of Mary, clear proofs and supported him with the Pure Spirit. But is it [not] that every time a messenger came to you, [O Children of Israel], with what your souls did not desire, you were arrogant? And a party [of messengers] you denied and another party you killed.

honesttalk21:

Identity who is the Pure spirit in the above verse?

Quran 2:253
We have chosen some of those messengers above others.Allah spoke directly to some, and raised some high in rank. To Jesus, son of Mary, We gave clear proofs and supported him with[b] the holy spirit.[/b]If Allah had willed, succeeding generations would not have fought ˹among themselves˺ after receiving the clear proofs. But they differed—some believed while others disbelieved. Yet if Allah had willed, they would not have fought one another. But Allah does what He wills.
And the Holy Spirit here refers to who?

Quran 97:4
The angels and the Spirit [i.e., Gabriel] descend therein by permission of their Lord for every matter.

honesttalk21:

Did God say his name is Jesus or did Jesus say his name is God?
Doesn't Isaiah 43:10 say But you are my witnesses, O Israel!” says the LORD. “You are my servant. You have been chosen to know me, believe in me, and understand that I alone am God. There is no other God— there never has been, and there never will be?

In your comparison of Jibril a.s to Jesus you choose to ignore the fact that Jibril was never conceived, didn't pass through gestation, get born and grew up eating, drinking etc? Or did he?
Did angels appear to Abraham and Lot? In what form did they appear?
Do you say Jesus is also an angel?

As Jesus is the word is he the same here?
KJV Psalm 147:15
He sendeth forth his commandment upon earth: his word runneth very swiftly

Let's reason together here.

Quran 15:29 And when I have proportioned him and breathed into him of My [created] soul, then fall down to him in prostration

My soul here is who's?

honesttalk21:
You say Moses wasn't given the Torah? Oh it's another jumbled up book of the bible.
At least you will ageee he was given the commandments? This is not the Torah?
What does the Tanakh say of the messiah?

Mr know it all that plays around and doesn't say. Are you composed of only your flesh? Have you advanced to the point of transferring souls from one body to another?

Angels descending by Allah's permission is simply a manifestation of his word and them obeying his command.

Your obsession with how Jibril appeared to Mary. He appeared to her in the likeness of a man. Did the Quran say specifically that he became a man or appeared like a man?

Indeed you don't know this difference between an appearance like and what actually is.

TenQ:


The Torah is Five Books.

Can you please tell me how this verse below was given to Moses
Exo 4:28:
"And Moses told Aaron all the words of the LORD who had sent him, and all the signs which he had commanded him."


The Ten commandments is not even up to a quarter of a chapter in the Torah. Is the Torah the Five Books or a chapter written in stone tablets?
Till tomorrow only Muslims know the Jesus was given the Injeel.

In what language was the Injeel of Jesus revealed in?
Muslims with terrible fabrications







Why are you afraid to answer my Questions?

I Challenge you to truthfully Answer these three Questions!
1. Jubril is an Angel who became a perfect man. While Jubril was a man, did he stop being an Angel?
Is this not Duality?

2. Jesus is the Word, the Spirit and the Man. While Jesus was a messanger, did he stop being the Word of Allah or did He stop being the Spirit of Allah?
Is this not Trinity?

3. When Mohammed went to heaven, and he met Abraham, Isaac, Jesus etc. Was this real or a figment of his imagination?
If it was real and it wasn't yet the time of Resurrection, does this not show that these prophets have a physical body (in their graves) and a spiritual body?
Is this not Duality?



DO YOU KNOW WHY YOU WON'T ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS?
The Reason is because
The mantra of Muslims is:
Don't confuse me with the Truth because I have already made up my mind!

honesttalk21:
I am not afraid of your questions and have answered severally.

honesttalk21:

It is no lie that some form of a Trinitarian belief was already in existence when Muhammad pbuh began prophethood. People are warned against it as well as being warned against all forms of associating any deity as co divine with Allah.
This may be what the Arians are against however Islam further establishes that Allah is not such as to beget his creation.

Your truth my opponent is more confusion more so that you shy away from defining or explaining it in clear terms.

honesttalk21:

Another interesting thing if you will answer?
Is Jesus the only word of God?

honesttalk21:

The formal doctrine of the Trinity was not fully articulated until the 4th century, at the Council of Nicaea in 325 AD. The question then arises isn't this concept of a God trinity simply a man made philosophy?

honesttalk21:
To your highlighted Yellow, what language did Jesus speak and what language did the Israelites to who he was sent to speak?

honesttalk21:

Get your facts right first did Jibril become a man or appear in the form of a man? Study the arabic and translate.
One who is already confused will not confuse me insha Allah

honesttalk21:

Jesus is said to have met Elijah and Moses who were recognised by Peter although it is not stated how Peter came know them?

Furthermore the Bible or is it Christianity that upholds reincarnation? Isn't Christianity rooted in the belief of a single life, with the ultimate goal being eternal salvation
How come Elijah came again and wasn't recognised?

honesttalk21:

Tawheed, also known as monotheism, is a fundamental belief in Islam. It is the belief in the Oneness of Allah and the acknowledgement that there is no deity worthy of worship except Allah. In the Quran, the concept of Tawheed is emphasized and explained in various verses, highlighting the importance of this belief in the life of a Muslim.

The Quran repeatedly emphasizes the concept of Tawheed, asserting that there is only one God and no partners or associates with Him. For example, in Surah Al-Ikhlas (112:1-4), it states, "Say, He is Allah, the One. Allah, the Eternal Refuge. He begets not, nor was He begotten. And there is none like unto Him."
The concept of the Trinity is a fundamental belief in Christianity that is not explicitly mentioned in the Bible. The term "Trinity" refers to the belief that there is one God who exists in three distinct persons: God the Father, God the Son (Jesus Christ), and God the Holy Spirit. While the word "Trinity" does not appear in the Scriptures, there are numerous passages that suggest the presence of these three entities .
Oneness of Allah is not a suggestion it's specifically and severally stated.

honesttalk21:

Unfortunately I don't follow any sect but follow the Quran.

Shia and all other Muslims share a common faith.
Their differences stem from their divergent interpretations of Islamic teachings. Majority of the Muslims believe in maintaining the established traditions and practices of the Prophet Muhammad, as well as adhering to the teachings of the Quran.
Shia Muslims acknowledge an additional hierarchy after the Prophet's death, following the leadership of his family, particularly Ali ibn Abi Talib. They differ on the concept of Imamate, which is the idea that leadership of the Muslim community is to be held exclusively by the descendants of the Prophet Muhammad through his daughter, Fatimah, and her husband, Ali which contrasts with the Sunni belief in the concept of Caliphate, where leadership is seen as a collective responsibility and can be held by anyone from the wider Muslim community. This is more of a political difference that Christendom isn't immune from.
Unlike you neither would exactly categorise the other as non muslims but appreciate the difference in their views. You have categorically said Catholics are not Christians and most probably hold same view with Arians that don't believe in a trinity.

honesttalk21:

When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser

Eventually the almighty will fairly judge and non but our individual selves will bare our ends

Very interesting showing. I bid you farewell!

TenQ:

You can be predict perfectly as you did not answer my highlighted questions in yellow.

Jesus spoke Aramaic and Hebrew.

Can you please tell me how the book of Allah given to Jesus is titled Injeel (from Greek interpolation) and not in Hebrew or Aramaic!
Why!?



Quran 19:16-19
وَٱذْكُرْ فِى ٱلْكِتَـٰبِ مَرْيَمَ إِذِ ٱنتَبَذَتْ مِنْ أَهْلِهَا مَكَانًۭا شَرْقِيًّۭا ١٦ فَٱتَّخَذَتْ مِن دُونِهِمْ حِجَابًۭا فَأَرْسَلْنَآ إِلَيْهَا رُوحَنَا فَتَمَثَّلَ لَهَا بَشَرًۭا سَوِيًّۭا ١٧ قَالَتْ إِنِّىٓ أَعُوذُ بِٱلرَّحْمَـٰنِ مِنكَ إِن كُنتَ تَقِيًّۭا ١٨ قَالَ إِنَّمَآ أَنَا۠ رَسُولُ رَبِّكِ لِأَهَبَ لَكِ غُلَـٰمًۭا زَكِيًّۭا ١٩
Quran 19:16-19
16. And make mention of Mary in the Scripture, when she had withdrawn from her people to a chamber looking East, 17. And had chosen seclusion from them. Then We sent unto her Our Spirit and it assumed for her the likeness of a perfect man. 18. She said: Lo! I seek refuge in the Beneficent One from thee, if thou art Allah-fearing. 19. He said: I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a faultless son.


Here is your evidence.
Answer my question!


If you think this was a reincarnation, so be it.

How can you dodge answering my question on this. Elijah was recognised and not recognised at the same time.
Answer my questions!




So, Taoheed is neither in the Qur'an nor the Hadiths!?




See your hypocrisy?
You wanted me to hold the views of the Adrian's but you don't want to suscribe to the Shia! SMH!

Did not Mohammed say you would be divided into 73 sects! Which of the sects are you.



I wish you the best too.

It is the lies of Muslims that is causing all these problems. Your records expose the lies. But, I invite you to the Messiah for the salvation of your soul.

honesttalk21:
And hold firmly to the rope of Allah all together and do not become divided. And remember the favor of Allah upon you - when you were enemies and He brought your hearts together and you became, by His favor, brothers. And you were on the edge of a pit of the Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus does Allah make clear to you His verses that you may be guided. [3:103]

You stated perfect man repeatedly.
Perfect man ≠ likeness of a man/appearance of a man

Καὶ μετὰ τὸ παραδοθῆναι τὸν Ἰωάννην ἦλθεν ὁ Ἰησοῦς εἰς τὴν Γαλιλαίαν κηρύσσων εὐαγγέλιον τοῦ Θεοῦ

honesttalk21:

Tidings=announcement of an event or occurrence not previously made known; a piece of news

honesttalk21:

Is this like town crying? Now you see why maybe the book was not documented. Jesus ministeres for 3.5 years or so? There was no wisdom to document what he was saying due to large resistance from the Jewish leaders? This now becomes a legend thought to be recorded decades to centuries after his apostles have fled from prosecution?
What do you know? A legend is a story that's purported to be historical in nature but that is without substantiation.

honesttalk21:

The gospel of Jesus Christ is often referred to as "good news" or "tidings" because it brought a message of hope, love, and salvation to humanity. However, the early teachings of Jesus were not recorded in a written form like the gospels that we have today. Instead, they were transmitted orally from one generation to another. This oral tradition allowed Jesus' teachings to be shared and spread widely among his followers, but it also meant that they were subject to potential alterations or omissions over time.

TenQ:

Did Jibril have the hands of a man, the tongue of man, the spittle of a man, the kidney of a man etc

If Jibril (as a perfect man) was examined, would he look different from an human being?
At that time did he stop being an angel?




When did Aramaic language become Amharic? Amharic is the Ethiopian language my dear, so how did الإنجيل have it's roots in Amharic?

According to Allah, the Good Tidings is the Word bestowed upon Mary is JESUS himself
Quran 3:45
"[And mention] when the angels said, 'O Mary, indeed Allah gives you good tidings of a word from Him, whose name will be the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary - distinguished in this world and the Hereafter and among those brought near [to Allah ].'


Do you now know more than Allah?


Unfortunately for you, if you are correct with this your history, Allah and Mohammed are BOTH in Error!
1. Mohammed says Waraqa used to translate the gospels
2. Allah says the Torah and the Gospel are in our hands.

Which gospel did Allah refer to in his Qur'an : the non existent Gospel (that wasn't written down in the life time of Jesus) or the ficticious Gospel in the hands of the Christians.?


No sir.
If you are correct, then Allah and Mohammed are dead wrong. Do you agree with this?


The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the Message of the Way of Salvation as a free Gift of God.
It is called Good News also because even we Gentiles who were not under the covenant of Abraham are included. The summary of the good news is this: The Messiah has come to Save us from Hell!

Let's call it quit here as you will not answer my questions.

Have a nice day sir!

TenQ:

Did Jibril have the hands of a man, the tongue of man, the spittle of a man, the kidney of a man etc

If Jibril (as a perfect man) was examined, would he look different from an human being?
At that time did he stop being an angel?

When did Aramaic language become Amharic? Amharic is the Ethiopian language my dear, so how did الإنجيل have it's roots in Amharic?

According to Allah, the Good Tidings is the Word bestowed upon Mary is JESUS himself
Quran 3:45
"[And mention] when the angels said, 'O Mary, indeed Allah gives you good tidings of a word from Him, whose name will be the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary - distinguished in this world and the Hereafter and among those brought near [to Allah ].'


Do you now know more than Allah?


Unfortunately for you, if you are correct with this your history, Allah and Mohammed are BOTH in Error!
1. Mohammed says Waraqa used to translate the gospels
2. Allah says the Torah and the Gospel are in our hands.

Which gospel did Allah refer to in his Qur'an : the non existent Gospel (that wasn't written down in the life time of Jesus) or the ficticious Gospel in the hands of the Christians.?


No sir.
If you are correct, then Allah and Mohammed are dead wrong. Do you agree with this?


The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the Message of the Way of Salvation as a free Gift of God.
It is called Good News also because even we Gentiles who were not under the covenant of Abraham are included. The summary of the good news is this: The Messiah has come to Save us from Hell!

Let's call it quit here as you will not answer my questions.

Have a nice day sir!

honesttalk21:
Is Aramaic in use anywhere in the world presently?
I may have gone for Syriac but this too is a translation from a Greek text.
Did Jesus speak Greek?

If the glad tidings are not documented do we now say the glad tidings shared/announced by Jesus are documented?
His cousin John the Baptist also spoke tidings? Were these documented specially too?

1. an ancient language of the Middle East, still spoken in parts of Syria and the Lebanon, belonging to the NW Semitic subfamily of the Afro-Asiatic family.
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/aramaic
2. Aramaic has persisted into modern times, being spoken in the west in isolated villages of the Anti-Lebanon regions north of Damascus in Syria (by Christians in Ma‘lūla, by Muslims in Jubba’dīn and Bakh'a); and in the east in three areas [by Jacobite Christians in Tur ‘Abdīn, by Jews and Nestorian Christians ("Assyrians" between the Lakes Urmia and Van in Kurdistan and Azerbaijan, by Chaldean Christians in the region about Mosul].
https://www.encyclopedia.com/religion/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/aramaic-language

honesttalk21:

Now lets go closer into earlier texts.
According to your Bible:

Genesis 3:22-24
God bid man go out; told him he should no longer occupy and enjoy that garden: but man liked the place, and was unwilling to leave it, therefore God made him go out. This signified the shutting out of him, and all his guilty race, from that communion with God, which was the bliss and glory of paradise. But man was only sent to till the ground out of which he was taken. He was sent to a place of toil, not to a place of torment. Our first parents were shut out from the privileges of their state of innocency, yet they were not left to despair. The way to the tree of life was shut. It was henceforward in vain for him and his to expect righteousness, life, and happiness, by the covenant of works; for the command of that covenant being broken, the curse of it is in full force: we are all undone, if we are judged by that covenant. God revealed this to Adam, not to drive him to despair, but to quicken him to look for life and happiness in the promised Seed, by whom a new and living way into the holiest is laid open for us.


Ezekiel 18:20
The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.

Is the latter a contradiction of the former?

honesttalk21:

But the Quran says in Q7
22. So he lured them with deceit. And when they tasted the tree, their unclothedness became evident to them, and they began covering themselves with the leaves of the Garden. And their Lord called out to them, “Did I not forbid you from this tree, and say to you that Satan is a sworn enemy to you?”

23. They said, “Our Lord, we have done wrong to ourselves. Unless You forgive us, and have mercy on us, we will be among the losers.”

In Q7:35
O Children of Adam! When messengers from among you come to you, relating to you My revelations—whoever practices piety and reforms—upon them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

honesttalk21:

Which Gospels did Waraqa translate? Were this the Gospels of Jesus or the Gospels according to Mark, Matthew, Luke and John who certainly never met Jesus?

honesttalk21:


Have you seen a Hologram before?
What is the natural form of an angel?
Did Mary write a book telling you how the angel looked?
Would an AI robot have the internal organs you ask of and will these be functional?
Do Angels eat and pass waste?

If Jibril was examined? By who and for what reason? To validate an insult of the then Jews that Mary engaged in fornication with a man that you say Jibril became?
You are not certified with a message delivered but must know all that may and may not concern you about the messanger? How does this affect the message?

Tidings refers to information about recent and important events. Good tidings then are information considered good or liked.

honesttalk21:

A divine word from God holds immense power, providing guidance, comfort, and purpose, leading to a life of meaning and fulfillment. It transcends boundaries, reminding us of our worth and inspiring us to strive for greatness.
•Good tidings of a word from●
=
Information/Good news reminding us of our worth and inspiring to strive for greatness.

Now why are these good tidings necessary?

The Israelites were in tumultuous times under their leaders?

Before the arrival of Jesus, the situation in Israel was marked by a complex web of political, religious, and social dynamics. The region was under Roman occupation, which evoked a sense of resentment and struggle for independence among the Jewish population. The religious landscape was diverse but predominantly centered around Judaism, with multiple sects vying for influence, such as the Pharisees, Sadducees, and Essenes. The Jewish people yearned for the fulfillment of ancient prophecies and the coming of a Messiah who would liberate them from their oppressive circumstances

Luke 1:26-27
Now in the Gospel according to Luke
The Birth of Jesus Is Announced
26 In the sixth month of Elizabeth's pregnancy God sent the angel Gabriel to a town in Galilee named Nazareth. 27 He had a message for a young woman promised in marriage to a man named Joseph, who was a descendant of King David. Her name was Mary.

Can we review that this word is the message?

Good tidings of a word is verbal or written or has a document like letter been exchanged?

Should we consider Peshitta, the standard version of the Bible used by Syriac-speaking Christians, and the Gospels lies in their original language. While the Peshitta is written in Syriac, a dialect of Aramaic, the Gospels were primarily written in Greek. This linguistic distinction impacts the interpretation and understanding of the texts, as the different languages possess their own nuances and cultural contexts. The Peshitta, being a translation from the Greek Gospels, provides insight into the Syriac Christian community's interpretation of the teachings of Jesus

Why are the Gospels primarily in Greek? Is there a primary Gospel in Hebrew anywhere as the Aramaic language is now no where or perhaps you can find the Gospel in Aramaic that could be translated?

Why are the Gospels primarily in Greek? Is there a primary Gospel in Hebrew anywhere as the Aramaic language is now no where or perhaps you can find the Gospel in Aramaic that could be translated?

honesttalk21:
You seemed to correct yourself at a point.
Did the translation of the verse from arabic say appear as a perfect man?

Even if it says so what does appear as mean to you?

tumors appear as shadows on the X-ray; are the shadows tumours?
Synonyms for appear as include portray, play, represent, act as, impersonate, perform as,

Did I negate the verse or clarify what the word from is as a message and glad tidings being encouragement, good news that Mary and the Israelites would find useful to them in their circumstances?

honesttalk21:

The Bible was written in Greek as a language of learning. Does this mean the Israelites to whom Jesus appeared spoke and learnt in Greek?
They had no need to learn in their own languages of Hebrew or Aramaic? Which writing should take precedence?

TenQ:


A perfect man means FLAWLESS and INDISTINGUISHABLE man.



You did negate the word of Allah as shown.
Did Allah not say the the WORD is Jesus, son of Mary?

Quran 3:45
"[And mention] when the angels said, 'O Mary, indeed Allah gives you good tidings of a word from Him , whose name will be the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary - distinguished in this world and the Hereafter and among those brought near [to Allah ].'


You didn't answer this question :
According to this verse above,
What is the Name of the Word from Allah?




Now that I communicate to you in English, do you understand me?
Do you think the gospel was localized to Isreal alone?
When Christians were persecuted and dispersed from Jerusalem by the Roman emperor into all the regions around Israel, they should stop preaching the gospel?

Not withstanding ALL these, if Mohammed and Allah attested to the Gospels in the hands of the Christians in Mohammed's time, you have ZERO case!

Did the Gospel exist at the time of Mohammed?
If it did, you have no argument except you can agree that Allah was ignorant and Mohammed a fraud!


Please let's close this case as it has nothing to do with the title

honesttalk21:
Present your verse on the perfect man will you!


And mention] when the angels said, 'O Mary, indeed Allah gives you good tidings of a word from Him , whose name will be the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary - distinguished in this world and the Hereafter and among those brought near [to Allah ].

Tidings refers to information about recent and important events. Good tidings then are information considered good or liked.

Word(s) from someone can pass a message that reaches beyond the mere utterance; they have the power to touch hearts, inspire change, and ignite a fire within. Whether it be whispered words of encouragement, impassioned speeches that provoke action, or thought-provoking prose .
So with respect to the above verse can clear understanding been gotten if we say:

[And mention] when the angels said, 'O Mary, indeed Allah gives you likeable information of what in this case who will inspire chanhe from Him , whose name will be the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary - distinguished in this world and the Hereafter and among those brought near [to Allah ].

Were Mary's thoughts not provoked pondering how she will conceive despite being a virgin and not having contact with a man?
Take note among those brought near to Allah.

And you see in 3:47
Mary wondered, "My Lord! How can I have a child when no man has ever touched me?" An angel replied, "So will it be. Allah creates what He wills. When He decrees a matter, He simply tells it, 'Be!' And it is!


The phrase "kunfayakun" is a powerful and profound expression found in the Quran, the holy book of Islam. Translated as "Be, and it is," it reflects the belief in Allah's supreme power and ability to create and bring into existence simply through His command. This divine phrase serves as a reminder to humanity of Allah's omnipotence and control over everything in the universe.

By uttering the word "kunfayakun," Allah demonstrates His ability to bring about creation out of nothingness. It illustrates His limitless power and authority as the ultimate Creator. This phrase also highlights the concept of tawheed, the Islamic belief in the oneness of Allah. It reinforces the belief that Allah is the sole creator of the universe, and any form of creation occurs solely due to His will.

Moreover, "kunfayakun" serves as a source of inspiration and comfort for Muslims. It reminds them that Allah is always present and capable of fulfilling their needs or desires.

TenQ:

Please go and rest for today.

Repeating FALSEHOOD a million times will not convert it into the truth!

honesttalk21:
Which falsehood? Aren't you the one who claims a verse translated to mean it contains perfect man?
What falsehood have I stated?

TenQ:

You don't follow exactly what your Qur'an says: you follow exactly what you wish the Qur'an says through your modern Islamic traditions.

Please let's end this for now. There will be time for future discussions God willing.

Have a good night rest sir.

honesttalk21:
What my Quran says or what TAQIYYA TENQ aka Future thief says it says.?

Go do more research and replenish your armoury. Hopeful there will be more truth and less deceptive mischief when you return.

TenQ:

The topic for this thread had been:
Who Deleted This Verse From The Perfectly Preserved Quran Of Muhammad?
The verse of ten times breastfeeding and the five times breastfeeding including stonning for adultery are not found in the Quran of hafs: who removed them?

honesttalk21:

No such verse existed.
Critical review of Hadiths will show that as much as 99% of the hadiths alleged for the prophet were lies and fabrications.

TenQ:

How can the verses of Stoning and breastfeeding exist when they have been deleted.

Your hadiths were methodically collected by your scholars like Bukhari, Muslim, Abi Dawud etc and now you modern Muslims are rubbishing their work. Are you claiming that the collectors of the hadiths were stupid to allow just any hadiths enter their books?

This is just window dressing by you Muslims : it is just like Christians coming up today to claim that Jesus wasn't crucified just because we realize that crucifixion is a humiliating for of execution.

Your reliance on such lies makes you a pathological liar. You don't use a lie defend another lie. Do you not see these hadith contradict the Quran?

Your arguments are primarily based on the lies of hadith.

Secondly :
If even 50% of hadiths are lies and fabrications, it shows that Muslims are generally liars and untrustworthy in anything they claim and this include the Qur'an

honesttalk21:
The Quran is not a modern day computer program where you can edit and delete files.

Q6:112: And thus, We have made for every prophet enemies from among the human and jinn devils. They inspire to one another fancy sayings in order to deceive. Had your Lord willed, they would not have done it. You shall disregard them and what they fabricate.

Bukhari was born in the year 194AH, the authors of the other six hadith collections, like Muslim and Abu Dawood, were all born after Bukhari.

Bukhari collected about 600,000 hadith. He accepted 7275 hadith and considered 592,725 hadith to be un-proven hadith, lies and/or fabrications. In other words, 99% of what he collected were considered unauthentic.

honesttalk21:

Muslem collected 300,000 hadith. He accepted 4000 of them and rejected 296,000, that is, almost 99% were rejected.

This gives us an idea of how much corruption entered or tried to enter Islam from the back door.

Abu Hurayra was the one accused most of spreading fabricated hadith.

Does methodical collection amount eliminate falsification or fabrication? See how you reason. Do acknowledge that errors can still occur, even with methodical collection.

Bukhari broke the rules that he claimed he used to ensure the authenticity of the hadith,
for his own personal feelings, political alliance and hatred to people like Ali Ibn Abu Talib.

Current Christianity is largely the product of Paul's corruption and fabrication, traditional Sunni Islam as practised today, is the product of the corruption of the true religion of Islam by people like Bukhari.


Unlike the Quran, the hadith was not documented during the Prophet's lifetime