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Re: Difference Between England, Uk, Great Britain And Northern Ireland. by MT: 4:00pm On Sep 04, 2023
IbeOkehie:


What does this mean?

Care to clarify so I don't impute any meaning that you didn't intend?

Thanks.

What I meant was an Ibo man will not be allowed to get to the Presidency. There is only one way out if they so much want it.

The Northerners did not trust them considering what happened during the first coup. Almost all the Northern eminent personalities and religious leaders were killed by Nzeogwu e.g Tafawa Balewa, Sardauna of Sokoto etc.

The same happened in the South West. The political figures were assassinated.

It will take a genuine repentance, bridge building and intense show of remorsefulness for what happened in the past to be pardoned.

Without that, they can never get to win the presidency.

Sadly, Most igbos are arrogant and insulting. They will prefer to burn the bridge rather than to build it and the status quo will remain the same.

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Re: Difference Between England, Uk, Great Britain And Northern Ireland. by Titogbanski: 4:00pm On Sep 04, 2023
Thanks
Re: Difference Between England, Uk, Great Britain And Northern Ireland. by georgeakins: 4:06pm On Sep 04, 2023
gidgiddy:


And those who took over from Igbos, did they do any better with the structure or make it far worse?

Ibos messed up the whole structure through coup, just because they were desperate and greedy to produce a president.
Jan 1966 coup was totally unnecessary.

Thank God it backfired on them shortly.

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Re: Difference Between England, Uk, Great Britain And Northern Ireland. by shaiyenoni: 4:06pm On Sep 04, 2023
The United Kingdom is used to describe the political unit consisting of England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales. Great Britain is the geographical term referring to the island simply known as Britain. England is one of the countries that make up the British Isles.
Re: Difference Between England, Uk, Great Britain And Northern Ireland. by professore(m): 4:11pm On Sep 04, 2023
Educative
Re: Difference Between England, Uk, Great Britain And Northern Ireland. by IbeOkehie: 4:17pm On Sep 04, 2023
MT:


What I meant was an Ibo man will not be allowed to get to the Presidency. There is only one way out if they so much want it.

The Northerners did not trust them considering what happened during the first coup. Almost all the Northern eminent personalities and religious leaders were killed by Nzeogwu e.g Tafawa Balewa, Sardauna of Sokoto etc.

The same happened in the South West. The political figures were assassinated.

It will take a genuine repentance, bridge building and intense show of remorsefulness for what happened in the past to be pardoned.

Without that, they can never get to win the presidency.

Sadly, Most igbos are arrogant and insulting. They will prefer to burn the bridge rather than to build it and the status quo will remain the same.

Thanks, I understand your sentiments and agree with you to a large extent, especially on the bolded part about repentance and remorse. I've told my fellow Igbo the same and all I've gotten is curses and invectives. Believe it or not, most of my people still hold up Chukwuma Nzeogwu as a hero. An immature, petulant murderer. It's really baffling because he's one of the biggest causes of whatever travails the Igbo suffer in Nigeria today.

Most Nigerians don't even understand the extent of Igbo perfidy in Nigeria, it stretches back at least to the 1940's. Frankly I don't know if Nigerians just DELIBERATELY ignore their history or what, I don't get it.

The average Nigerian university graduate will look up and tell you the sky is yellow and the capital of Canada is Cairo and stand on their claim like their life depends on it. It's like the election of Muhammadu Buhari to the Presidency, it was ECONOMIC SUICIDE to vote for that man given his PUBLIC OFFICE RECORD, I said it at the time but surprisingly most of my friends and family disagreed, including most of the Igbo among them.

Please don't be annoyed. I want to ask...would you be open to the secession of the Igbo from Nigeria? I'm not advocating secession or continued unity, just trying to understand another train of thought.

Thanks.

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Re: Difference Between England, Uk, Great Britain And Northern Ireland. by Alpharey: 4:31pm On Sep 04, 2023
concreteaffairs:
And Nigeria will be doing as if they cannot allow every region stay on its own and contribute to Nigeria

Some people are afraid of making it in life without oil money from Niger Delta
Re: Difference Between England, Uk, Great Britain And Northern Ireland. by IbeOkehie: 4:33pm On Sep 04, 2023
Alpharey:


Some people are afraid of making it in life without oil money from Niger Delta

And some people are afraid of having to work without enslaving or cheating others.

That's also true.

Good Luck to Nigeria.
Re: Difference Between England, Uk, Great Britain And Northern Ireland. by oludarekehinde(m): 4:34pm On Sep 04, 2023
Informative and educative
Re: Difference Between England, Uk, Great Britain And Northern Ireland. by MT: 4:38pm On Sep 04, 2023
IbeOkehie:


Thanks, I understand your sentiments and agree with you to a large extent, especially on the bolded part about repentance and remorse. I've told my fellow Igbo the same and all I've gotten is curses and invectives. Believe it or not, most of my people still hold up Chukwuma Nzeogwu as a hero. An immature, petulant murderer. It's really baffling because he's one of the biggest causes of whatever travails the Igbo suffer in Nigeria today.

Most Nigerians don't even understand the extent of Igbo perfidy in Nigeria, it stretches back at least to the 1940's. Frankly I don't know if Nigerians just DELIBERATELY ignore their history or what, I don't get it.

The average Nigerian university graduate will look up and tell you the sky is yellow and the capital of Canada is Cairo and stand on their claim like their life depends on it. It's like the election of Muhammadu Buhari to the Presidency, it was ECONOMIC SUICIDE to vote for that man given his PUBLIC OFFICE RECORD, I said it at the time but surprisingly most of my friends and family disagreed, including most of the Igbo among them.

Please don't be annoyed. I want to ask...would you be open to the secession of the Igbo from Nigeria? I'm not advocating secession or continued unity, just trying to understand another train of thought.

Thanks.

You are very civil and cultured, and I will respond to whatever question you ask me.

If there is a referendum for Igbo secession today, I will vote capital YES. I will support them to secede and form their own Nation. I am just waiting for that time IF the referendum will ever happen, hopefully.

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Re: Difference Between England, Uk, Great Britain And Northern Ireland. by bonnyhope: 4:53pm On Sep 04, 2023
Authoreety:
Thanks Op.. The thing been dey confuse me

And you wan travel go UK?

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Re: Difference Between England, Uk, Great Britain And Northern Ireland. by IbeOkehie: 4:55pm On Sep 04, 2023
MT:


You are very civil and cultured, and I will respond to whatever question you ask me.

If there is a referendum for Igbo secession today, I will vote capital YES. I will support them to secede and form their own Nation. I am just waiting for that time IF the referendum will ever happen, hopefully.

Thanks. By the way, I'm Igbo and this is my real name. I had a rethink about the historic role of the Igbo in Nigeria when I stumbled across some of the history and took the time to read it.

There will be no referendum because it will require a vote of the National Assembly and the PEOPLE of Nigeria, including the Igbo by the way, do not want the country to be broken up. Yes, you read it right....my Igbo people DO NOT want to secede from Nigeria. The Igbo people will REJECT secession if they vote on it. That's a fact but no Igbo will ever admit to it.

The governments of Nigeria always do what the people of Nigeria want them to do. Over valued naira, nationalized oil & gas industry, public ownership of land, it's all done because the people want it that way. THE PEOPLE of Nigeria are generally stupid, selfish and greedy. Nigeria continues to exist as a criminal, socialist State of brigandage because THE PEOPLE want it to exist as exactly that kind of nation.

Good Luck to Nigeria.

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Re: Difference Between England, Uk, Great Britain And Northern Ireland. by MT: 5:04pm On Sep 04, 2023
IbeOkehie:


Thanks. By the way, I'm Igbo and this is my real name. I had a rethink about the historic role of the Igbo in Nigeria when I stumbled across some of the history and took the time to read it.

There will be no referendum because it will require a vote of the National Assembly and the PEOPLE of Nigeria, including the Igbo by the way, do not want the country to be broken up. Yes, you read it right....my Igbo people DO NOT want to secede from Nigeria. The Igbo people will REJECT secession if they vote on it. That's a fact but no Igbo will ever admit to it.

The governments of Nigeria always do what the people of Nigeria want them to do. Over valued naira, nationalized oil & gas industry, public ownership of land, it's all done because the people want it that way. THE PEOPLE of Nigeria are generally stupid, selfish and greedy. Nigeria continues to exist as a criminal, socialist State of brigandage because THE PEOPLE want it to exist as exactly that kind of nation.

Good Luck to Nigeria.




You are distinctively different from any Igbo I have met in a lifetime. God bless you for choosing the path of objectivity.

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Re: Difference Between England, Uk, Great Britain And Northern Ireland. by ImperialYoruba: 5:14pm On Sep 04, 2023
Flathead8:
Where do you put Rep of Ireland in all of this? I thought they were part of the union

When you add Rep of Ireland to the mix they are collectively known as British Isles.

Very educative piece.
Re: Difference Between England, Uk, Great Britain And Northern Ireland. by Whois(m): 5:28pm On Sep 04, 2023
AKA union jack. kiss
Re: Difference Between England, Uk, Great Britain And Northern Ireland. by IbeOkehie: 5:33pm On Sep 04, 2023
MT:


You are distinctively different from any Igbo I have met in a lifetime. God bless you for choosing the path of objectivity.

Yes, ALL tribes have played a part in making Nigeria into a Zoo, but the Igbo bear the most responsibility. Any person of whatever tribe has to be congenitally immoral to read the history of Nigeria and not understand that. It's crazy to claim Gowon is responsible for the current Unitary structure when the Igbo inserted the military into government AND wrote the first Unitary Decree. I just don't understand how ANYONE of whatever tribe can fail to understand that...and it's just the start.

The basic truth about Nigeria is that British built the country as a tool of exploitation and with time, every FAMILY in Nigeria has realized that they can use TRIBE as a vehicle to enter government and do what the British did; every Nigerian FAMILY now desperately strives to fulfill that aspiration of either entering government or having a direct relationship to government.

The sentence above explains EVERYTHING about Nigeria and why it exists today and continues to stagnate and create poverty.

Good Luck to Nigeria.

Good Luck to Nigerians.

I thank the fate that took me away from cohabitation with the most wicked, greedy and perfidious nationality of people on this earth. My best wishes to them all, everything happens for a reason.

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Re: Difference Between England, Uk, Great Britain And Northern Ireland. by Yujin(m): 5:36pm On Sep 04, 2023
IbeOkehie:


Dude if you're Igbo, you need to please stop this hypocrisy. I'm an Igbo man too and when I found out the LIES and HYPOCRISY that our people have been bandying around about our history in Nigeria, I almost died from shock. Even my own parents and older relatives who fought the Biafra War seemed to have adopted a position of selective amnesia about the causes of the pre-war Crisis. We must always strive to tell the truth and if it's too dangerous to tell, just keep quiet until it's safe. Lies are destructive because they set wrong incentives for action.

Chukwuma Nzeogwu AND/OR Aguiyi Ironsi STARTED Nigeria on the path to the present Unitary Government. Simply by introducing military into government via illegal and biased violence, they GUARANTEED that Nigeria would become a Unitary State.

Long before that, the Great Zik, Nnamdi Azikiwe, ensured the continued existence of Nigeria as a United Entity. In the Lancaster Conference Negotiations, the UK did for Nigeria what it did for many other Crown Colonies....it gave THE NIGERIAN PEOPLE a chance to choose the structure of their country after independence. By that act alone, the British gave Nigerians the chance to rectify a lot of whatever wrong was done by colonialism.

At the Lancaster Conference

1) Obafemi Awolowo took a position that a SECESSION CLAUSE must be included in the Constitution.
2) The Sarduana took the position that Nigeria should be divided into separate countries.
3) Nnamdi Azikiwe specifically opposed Awolowo's proposal...and insisted that Nigeria must remain united "in perpetuity"

The rules of all the Lancaster Conferences for British Colonies was that EVERY major change in the status quo had to be unanimous. So it was Zik and his Igbo voters who LEGALLY locked up all the tribes and regions in Nigeria FOREVER. If Awolowo had his way, the Biafra War would never have been necessary, the Eastern Region would have had the LEGAL RIGHT to simply walk away. There's a lot more I could say about this issue...for instance, I could EXPLAIN WHY the Igbo were so opposed to dividing Nigeria or any talk of secession rights. The Cameroons Referendum of 1964 is also very important, I urge everyone to go read about it. That episode alone makes EVERYTHING clear about who and what are the real problems in Nigeria.

I hope anyone who cares about Nigerian history can go research these issues. I have good websites and history that I can link to, but I won't do it, if you care enough go find it yourself, but the truth is most Nigerians don't care about anything except MONEY, that's why their country is the Poverty Capital of the World.

Good Luck to Nigeria.



You might be a good economist but you're poor in politics especially Nigerian politics. Whatever was agreed in the Lancaster Conference was first debated and her merits and demerits weighed by her participants. Azikiwe couldn't have imposed his will on other members. Zik was operating on a different wavelength from the rest as he was a Pan-Africanist. Nothing was wrong with that.
As for Nzeogwu's Coup, he granted an interview where he gave insights into his reasons for the coup. His regret was that the coup never went exactly as he planned it. People did celebrate the coup at the time until it was given ethnic colouration. Go and read up about the first coup in Ghana which was similar to Nzeogwu's coup but Ghanaians didn't allow it degenerate to ethnic killings like was done in Nigeria. Ghana's coup was just 1 month and 1 week after Nzeogwu's coup.
Ironsi on his side I can concede made terrible mistakes. He was detached from reality and couldn't see the danger ahead of him. He was so relaxed in a very tensed atmosphere and we are paying for it today. I really wish he intended to do what he is still being accused of. Perhaps, our soldiers could have countered the coup against him which will eventually lead to chaos and the division of Nigeria by force. Under his watch, over 300 eastern soldiers where massacred without much resistance. Would it have happened if truly he was power hungry? Certain things are very easy to deduce.
Do you know that Igbos were also attacked during the western crises known as 'operation wetie'? Igbophobia was rife at the time both in the North and West but it was worse in the north.
I insist that the interpretation of heaping the fault on Ndigbo is totally wrong. Some Igbo individuals can be blamed just like other persons from other ethnic groups are blamed for their actions and inactions but the prevaling position of the Nigerian state to blame the entire Igbos for the crimes of a single person must be challenged and condemned by every well meaning person. It is the reason why only Igbo individuals are selected from every government for probing and persecution in some cases while other culprits from the same government are spared. Case in point, only Emefiele is being held while all the other persons in Buhari's regime are left to enjoy their loot.
You may think you're very smart because it has not gotten to you and I really pray it doesn't get to you. I wish you understand what I'm trying to say without you witnessing it first hand.
Finally, it is almost 60 years since no Igbo man rule Nigeria. Why have those you considered not responsible for the decay of Nigeria been unable to develop her? Why do you absolve them from the blame of the current failure of Nigeria?

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Re: Difference Between England, Uk, Great Britain And Northern Ireland. by Ugwuoke347(m): 5:43pm On Sep 04, 2023
gidgiddy:
This is how Nigeria should have been structured, seperate countries but contributing to a central government



So you cannot take a clear stand?
Are you this confused?

Nigeria was never meant to be a country whether as confederate state or otherwise!
There was once a regional arrangement in place. You very well know the outcomes it produced. The 1945 Jos riots that claimed the lives of many Igbos happened in a regionized Nigerian federation.

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Re: Difference Between England, Uk, Great Britain And Northern Ireland. by UMUAZEE: 5:45pm On Sep 04, 2023
Akaegwu:
KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN UK, GREAT BRITAIN, BRITAIN, ENGLAND

A lot of people in Nigeria and indeed all over the world, including well travelled, elite class people often confuse England, United Kingdom, Britain and Great Britain. Well, here's the way to differentiate them:

*England* is a country just as Nigeria, and its capital is *London* just like Abuja is the capital of Nigeria.

*Great Britain* is a collection of 3 countries which came together as one country and has its capital as *London.* Those 3 countries are:

1. *England,*
2. *Scotland* and
3. *Wales.*


When you include *Northern Ireland* to these 3 countries, they become *United Kingdom* (union of four nations) Viz:
1. England,
2. Scotland,
3. Wales, and
4. Northern
Ireland.

That is why it is referred to as the *United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.*
Collectively, the four are taken as one country. And when this is the case, *London* is its capital.

Note however that these four individual nations all have their own respective capitals.

Accordingly, the capital of
Scotland is *Edinburgh*,
Wales is *Cardiff*;
Northern Ireland is *Belfast*;
England is *London*.


Ps: Northern Ireland is not to be mistaken for the *Republic of Ireland*. The latter is a separate country. Its capital is *Dublin*.

Credits: Nojeem Jimoh

Not totally correct..

Great Britain is a geographic term referring to the island also known simply as Britain. It's also a political term for the part of the United Kingdom made up of England, Scotland, and Wales (including the outlying islands that they administer, such as the Isle of Wight).
Re: Difference Between England, Uk, Great Britain And Northern Ireland. by Yujin(m): 5:47pm On Sep 04, 2023
Ritchiee:


Why are you lying,sir?
It is all over the net.



Of all the decrees enacted in Nigeria, none is more controversial than Decree No 34 of 1966. It was promulgated on May 24, 1966 by then Head of State, Major General Johnson Thomas Umunnakwe Aguiyi-Ironsi (1924-1966) . It was called Unification Decree while some critics at that time labelled it the De-unification Decree.

It was the decree that started the death of regionalism – an issue which is still generating controversy till now. Although the next head of State General Yakubu Gowon repealed the Decree 34 on August 31, 1966 through Decree 9, a large portion of the Decree is still effective till today.

General Gowon further compounded it by promulgating Decree 14 of 1967 which broke Nigeria into 12 states and provided for military governors for each state. With Decrees 34, 8 and 14 regionalism was finally buried.



Under Ironsi, each region had their own constitution and still controlled their own resources. How then can you say he started the death of regionalism?
Can you post excerpts from his decree that support your claims about it leading to the destruction of regionalism?
NOTE: Don't post any commentary from anyone. Post strictly from his decree 34.

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Re: Difference Between England, Uk, Great Britain And Northern Ireland. by okrikaboi: 5:49pm On Sep 04, 2023
SETHARTHUR:
During queen Elizabeth Ii burial, I heard archbishop of Canterbury referring to her as queen of England, great Britain and great northern Ireland, head of common wealth, defender of the faith, and the protector of thy people.
See power
Re: Difference Between England, Uk, Great Britain And Northern Ireland. by okrikaboi: 5:49pm On Sep 04, 2023
SETHARTHUR:
During queen Elizabeth Ii burial, I heard archbishop of Canterbury referring to her as queen of England, great Britain and great northern Ireland, head of common wealth, defender of the faith, and the protector of thy people.
See power see responsibility
Re: Difference Between England, Uk, Great Britain And Northern Ireland. by IbeOkehie: 5:50pm On Sep 04, 2023
Yujin:

You might be a good economist but you're poor in politics especially Nigerian politics. Whatever was agreed in the Lancaster Conference was first debated and her merits and demerits weighed by her participants. Azikiwe couldn't have imposed his will on other members. Zik was operating on a different wavelength from the rest as he was a Pan-Africanist. Nothing was wrong with that.

Politics and Economics are siamese twins. I've been lucky to discuss this issue with people who know Nigeria from the start, like the Eze of Agbor Dr Edozien and a few others, but most especially some children of prominent Nigerians. I'm confident I understand the roots of the Nigeria Crisis and as our people say, I know where to start the exhumation because I know where and how the body was buried.

I stopped reading your comment when I got to this because it's the most common - AND STUPID - comeback that I get when I bring up the Lancaster Conference -

You wrote -

"Azikiwe couldn't have imposed his will on other members."

I already explained the general rules for the Lancaster Conferences ....note the plural, it wasn't just Nigeria, it was Malaysia, India, Zimbabwe, Kenya etc. The rule was that all decisions had to be UNANIMOUS or they were not adopted. So yes, Zik had the power to stop any attempt at secession at the Lancaster Conference and he did exactly that. I challenge you to go and READ the history so you can stop peddling lies, that is if you actually want the truth.

Go and debate people who are still at your level of understanding. I've done my best.

Good Luck to all you Nigerians, you deserve each other.

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Re: Difference Between England, Uk, Great Britain And Northern Ireland. by Alpharey: 5:52pm On Sep 04, 2023
IbeOkehie:


And some people are afraid of having to work without enslaving or cheating others.

That's also true.

Good Luck to Nigeria.

Let everybody manage their resources. That's my take.
Re: Difference Between England, Uk, Great Britain And Northern Ireland. by IbeOkehie: 5:55pm On Sep 04, 2023
Alpharey:


Let everybody manage their resources. That's my take.

But the Nigerian people don't want that.

They just don't...that's why Nigeria still exists and still remains a Unitary State where the Federal Government is supreme.

Good Luck to Nigeria.
Re: Difference Between England, Uk, Great Britain And Northern Ireland. by phemmyfour: 5:57pm On Sep 04, 2023
Akaegwu:
KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN UK, GREAT BRITAIN, BRITAIN, ENGLAND

A lot of people in Nigeria and indeed all over the world, including well travelled, elite class people often confuse England, United Kingdom, Britain and Great Britain. Well, here's the way to differentiate them:

*England* is a country just as Nigeria, and its capital is *London* just like Abuja is the capital of Nigeria.

*Great Britain* is a collection of 3 countries which came together as one country and has its capital as *London.* Those 3 countries are:

1. *England,*
2. *Scotland* and
3. *Wales.*


When you include *Northern Ireland* to these 3 countries, they become *United Kingdom* (union of four nations) Viz:
1. England,
2. Scotland,
3. Wales, and
4. Northern
Ireland.

That is why it is referred to as the *United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.*
Collectively, the four are taken as one country. And when this is the case, *London* is its capital.

Note however that these four individual nations all have their own respective capitals.

Accordingly, the capital of
Scotland is *Edinburgh*,
Wales is *Cardiff*;
Northern Ireland is *Belfast*;
England is *London*.


Ps: Northern Ireland is not to be mistaken for the *Republic of Ireland*. The latter is a separate country. Its capital is *Dublin*.

Credits: Nojeem Jimoh
copy n paste....funny how you didn't see error in the part of the title "Britain vs Great Britain "
Re: Difference Between England, Uk, Great Britain And Northern Ireland. by seunayantokun(m): 5:59pm On Sep 04, 2023
That was how Nigeria was structured before the military pursuing ethnic domination agenda destroyed it. Late General Aguiyi Ironsi started it; General Yakubu Gowon Rtd. continued it adding some bondages; Murtala and Obasanjo promoted and perpetuated it; instead of speaking up and standing by the original plan, Nnamdi Azikiwe and Obafemi Awolowo saw it but kept quiet for reasons best known to them; Shagari and the 1979 -1983 prodigals were only doing 'amdallah'; Buhari, Babangida were the worst culprits in turning it into an absolute bondage. Most unfortunately, the colonial masters saw it as a way to ensure your underdevelopment started by yourselves and have continued to give their backing to it in the interest of the genocidal opportunistic Fulani who have benefited from it and want it continued - that is how they arrived at born-to-rule mentality- using the mantras of monolithic North and Islam vs Christianity. They have hoped to complete it with their fulanisation agenda terrorism under Buhari.
At end of the day, everybody is a loser unless we return to the beginning.

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Re: Difference Between England, Uk, Great Britain And Northern Ireland. by gidgiddy: 6:04pm On Sep 04, 2023
georgeakins:


Ibos messed up the whole structure through coup, just because they were desperate and greedy to produce a president.
Jan 1966 coup was totally unnecessary.

Thank God it backfired on them shortly.

Well no Igbo man has been President for over 55 years and back then, we still had 4 Regions with resource control

Tiday we have 36 states without resource control, which means that those who came after Igbos only ended doing far worse

Tiday
Re: Difference Between England, Uk, Great Britain And Northern Ireland. by gidgiddy: 6:07pm On Sep 04, 2023
MT:


That's the problem.

The only time an individual from that part of the region was given the topmost power in the Nation, he ruined it and you guys are still bearing the consequence till date.

Sadly, you are the one always screaming to revert back to the way it used to be, blaming others except yourself, who was the architect.
Your kinsman - Aguiyi Ironsi - started the madness which pushed us to this level.

Lightning can never be allowed to strike twice. The earlier you realise it, the better for you.

Ironsi was un power for 6 months, some 55 years ago and even back then, we had 4 Regions that had resource control

Today we have 36 states, all without resource control

This means that all those who came after Ironsi 55 years ago only ended up doing far far worse than he ever did

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Re: Difference Between England, Uk, Great Britain And Northern Ireland. by Ugwuoke347(m): 6:07pm On Sep 04, 2023
IbeOkehie:


Dude if you're Igbo, you need to please stop this hypocrisy. I'm an Igbo man too and when I found out the LIES and HYPOCRISY that our people have been bandying around about our history in Nigeria, I almost died from shock. Even my own parents and older relatives who fought the Biafra War seemed to have adopted a position of selective amnesia about the causes of the pre-war Crisis. We must always strive to tell the truth and if it's too dangerous to tell, just keep quiet until it's safe. Lies are destructive because they set wrong incentives for action.

Chukwuma Nzeogwu AND/OR Aguiyi Ironsi STARTED Nigeria on the path to the present Unitary Government. Simply by introducing military into government via illegal and biased violence, they GUARANTEED that Nigeria would become a Unitary State.

Long before that, the Great Zik, Nnamdi Azikiwe, ensured the continued existence of Nigeria as a United Entity. In the Lancaster Conference Negotiations, the UK did for Nigeria what it did for many other Crown Colonies....it gave THE NIGERIAN PEOPLE a chance to choose the structure of their country after independence. By that act alone, the British gave Nigerians the chance to rectify a lot of whatever wrong was done by colonialism.

At the Lancaster Conference

1) Obafemi Awolowo took a position that a SECESSION CLAUSE must be included in the Constitution.
2) The Sarduana took the position that Nigeria should be divided into separate countries.
3) Nnamdi Azikiwe specifically opposed Awolowo's proposal...and insisted that Nigeria must remain united "in perpetuity"

The rules of all the Lancaster Conferences for British Colonies was that EVERY major change in the status quo had to be unanimous. So it was Zik and his Igbo voters who LEGALLY locked up all the tribes and regions in Nigeria FOREVER. If Awolowo had his way, the Biafra War would never have been necessary, the Eastern Region would have had the LEGAL RIGHT to simply walk away. There's a lot more I could say about this issue...for instance, I could EXPLAIN WHY the Igbo were so opposed to dividing Nigeria or any talk of secession rights. The Cameroons Referendum of 1964 is also very important, I urge everyone to go read about it. That episode alone makes EVERYTHING clear about who and what are the real problems in Nigeria.

I hope anyone who cares about Nigerian history can go research these issues. I have good websites and history that I can link to, but I won't do it, if you care enough go find it yourself, but the truth is most Nigerians don't care about anything except MONEY, that's why their country is the Poverty Capital of the World.

Good Luck to Nigeria.






So you deliberately omitted to state in clear and exact terms how Nnamdi Azikiwe managed to impose his stance on Ahmadu Bello and Obafemi Awolowo.
You need to answer the following questions:

1. What was the voting strength of the East at the Lancaster Conference?
2. What was the total number of votes cast by the delegates?
3. How exactly did the position of one man prevail against the others?
4. Present a chart or diagram showing how each region voted through their delegates.

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Re: Difference Between England, Uk, Great Britain And Northern Ireland. by IbeOkehie: 6:10pm On Sep 04, 2023
georgeakins:


Ibos messed up the whole structure through coup, just because they were desperate and greedy to produce a president.
Jan 1966 coup was totally unnecessary.

Thank God it backfired on them shortly.

That wasn't the reason for the coup of Jan 15 1966. God, is all this ignorance about Nigeria just pretence or is it real? Then again a vast majority of Nigerians agreed with former Petrolem Ministers Muhammadu Buhari and Tam David West when they campaigned in 2014 with the slogan "there is nothing like fuel subsidy, fuel subsidy doesn't exist."

Something is wrong with Nigerians, seriously. Once this is understood, it's no surprise then why such a well endowed country is the Poverty Capital of the World.

Good Luck to Nigerians.

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Re: Difference Between England, Uk, Great Britain And Northern Ireland. by IbeOkehie: 6:13pm On Sep 04, 2023
Ugwuoke347:




So you deliberately omitted to state in clear and exact terms how Nnamdi Azikiwe managed to impose his stance on Ahmadu Bello and Obafemi Awolowo. You need to answer the following questions:

1. What was the voting strength of the East at the Lancaster Conference?
2. What was the total number of votes cast by the delegates?
3. How exactly did the position of one man prevail against the others?
4. Present a chart or diagram showing how each region voted through their delegates.

How many times do I have to explain? It's right there in the comment you're replying to grin

Let me copy & paste EXACTLY what I wrote before. Easy to understand.

I already explained the general rules for the Lancaster Conferences ....note the plural, it wasn't just Nigeria, it was Malaysia, India, Rhodesia, Kenya etc. The rule was that all decisions had to be UNANIMOUS or they were not adopted.

You're not more Igbo than me. Our ancestral religion....Odinani....requires that we live and die for the TRUTH.

Thanks and Good Luck to you all.

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