melodyogonna:

My problem isn't really the owners as much (or maybe it is because they have to take responsibility), my problem is around the competence of the people they've recruited to identify and complete transfers. They have not shown very much competence or ingenuity, cluelessness is what I see.

Maybe we have good scouts identifying good players but the people at the top making the final decisions do not actually understand what makes a good player, what fits, what doesn't. they don't know what terms to offer in the contract, what players are worth, the wages to pay, nor do they know when a player should be moved on. They don't know when to start looking for replacements, or even what players needs replacement? They neither know how to negotiate sells, nor how to negotiate acquisitions. we're always fleeced during acquisitions and during sells.

Or maybe the cluelessness runs farther down and we don't even have competent scouts identifying fitting talents in the first place.

So my issue is with competence, not owners. The owners are responsible for who they appoint, if I start seeing signs of competence then I won't have problems with the owners. A manager needs sound structure to succeed. the club needs sound structure to succeed. The Glazers can probably offer that, but I wouldn't hold my hopes high.

Which they are trying to correct by hiring ETH and wanted to bring in Ragnick as a consultant or DOF. Was this a wrong move?

YourBestWriter:
Five world class players currently in manutd. The rest are either average or fading (varane).

1. Rasmus Hojlund
2. Alejandro Garnacho
3. Casemiro
4. Amrabat
5. Lisandro Martinez

😂😂Please stop this nonsense. Just say these are the only players not under fire rn.
See as you severely abused the use of 'world class'.
You should be arrested.

melodyogonna:

How does our recruitment strategy being bringing the people ETH has coached incompetence on ETH's side? is he in-charge of our recruitment?

Obviously he has say on who we sign (according to him it's 50:50 veto power), but he doesn't sit analysing thousands of players to sign, we should have a system that identifies the right players and presents him with a few list he can deliberate on, maybe he can then personally scout those players to find the perfect fit. If the structure doesn't work right do you expect ETH to leave his job and become a scout? If he falls back to players he's familiar with because dem no dey present am with obviously better players then no be incompetence on Ten Hang's side.

It's my understanding that Rangnick gave a list of players. Didn't ETH veto all for his own players?

main24:


No, it is the manager that is both coaching and scouting

Shoutout to all those that believe a winning team is simply because the Manager is great.

So it was the scouts that made Ferguson dominate. This shit is getting ridiculous. So the reason we are losing matches is because Eth Is busy scouting players for January 😂😂

eph12:

Which they are trying to correct by hiring ETH and wanted to bring in Ragnick as a consultant or DOF. Was this a wrong move?

Wetin be this. Na ETH dey do scouting, recruitment, transfers, and negotiation? "Wanted to bring Ragnick as consultant" what does this even mean, how does it address my points?
Until I see something concrete I'm going to put my blame squarely at the feet of the Glazers.

eph12:

It's my understanding that Rangnick gave a list of players. Didn't ETH veto all for his own players?

Is Ragnick a scout? Do you not understand what it means for a problem to be structural?

Trevor012:

So it was the scouts that made Ferguson dominate. This shit is getting ridiculous 😂😂

Trevor Trevor Trevor, go and watch SAF documentary. Hear him talk. Come and and we will have this conversation.

eph12:

I don't care about short term gains

lol, this is just his 2nd season...what is your definition of long term?

Y'all are focused on how difficult we find it to bring players in, have you not also noticed we find it difficult to offload players as well? And the ones we do offload go for peanuts, or free.

There is a structural problem here. To operate effectively and efficiently we need to be able to bring players in quickly and move them on quickly depending on performance.

main24:


Trevor Trevor Trevor, go and watch SAF documentary. Hear him talk. Come and and we will have this conversation.

Alaye answer the question. Shey na the scouts na make Ferguson dominate? Nor be under the same Glazers Ferguson dey pack trophies like water. Eth dey busy scout players na make we dey lose 😁

eph12:

It's my understanding that Rangnick gave a list of players. Didn't ETH veto all for his own players?

He had a list in January. Not that he gave it to Ten Hag.

Do you remember everyone said they couldn't sign these players until a new manager comes in. Alvarez and the likes were in that list.

But I remember some experts saying then that if this guy was going to take on this role you said he would. You should actually trust him to bring in one or two players then that'd actually fit in with whoever you bring in be it Poch or Ten Hag.

melodyogonna:

Wetin be this. Na ETH dey do scouting, recruitment, transfers, and negotiation? "Wanted to bring Ragnick as consultant" what does this even mean, how does it address my points?
Until I see something concrete I'm going to put my blame squarely at the feet of the Glazers.

We have scouts. We have been buying players before ETH came. We have bought many players most of whom we have abused and blamed for the club's nonsense display and position over the years. Many have left and the display is still there. But ETH has been allowed to bring his own players so that he will have everything he needs to succeed.

Anyways you will never see something concrete as long as Glazers is there, so no worry yourself just dey blame dey go

melodyogonna:

Is Ragnick a scout? Do you not understand what it means for a problem to be structural?

lol Rangnick can't recommend players because he is not a scout? What is this na?

main24:


lol, this is just his 2nd season...what is your definition of long term?

Yes its is second season.

Two seasons is good enough for long term

Trevor012:

Alaye answer the question. Shey na the scouts na make Ferguson dominate? Nor be under the same Glazers Ferguson dey pack trophies like water. Eth dey busy scout players na make we dey lose 😁

Assuming you knew SAF, you wouldn't have asked that question sir.

main24:

Assuming you knew SAF, you wouldn't have asked that question sir.

Knower of SAF I great you.

ChristoBam:

He had a list in January. Not that he gave it to Ten Hag.

Do you remember everyone said they couldn't sign these players until a new manager comes in. Alvarez and the likes were in that list.

But I remember some experts saying then that if this guy was going to take on this role you said he would. You should actually trust him to bring in one or two players then that'd actually fit in with whoever you bring in be it Poch or Ten Hag.

So what you're implying here is that this list didn't get to ETH?

eph12:

Yes its is second season.

Two seasons is good enough for long term

which clubs/managers are you drawing your conclusion of 2 seasons as long term plan from?

ChristoBam:

It's hilarious you think you just made sense.

Fun fact: A good number of Sir Alex Ferguson's trophies were won pre-glazers. There's a reason he's the only successful coach under the Glazers.

main24:


which clubs/managers are you drawing your conclusion of 2 seasons as long term plan from?

I don't need any club or manager to draw conclusion from. Abi must I?

Englishisamust:


If you see Gun right nw, you fit kill eth ?? . Your name really fit u

He's an average coach with a lot of ego

eph12:

So what you're implying here is that this list didn't get to ETH?

You're talking like we're talking of cooking ingredients here.

eph12:

lol Rangnick can't recommend players because he is not a scout? What is this na?

Are you intentionally misunderstanding my post or what?

akwesenana:
Fun fact: A good number of Sir Alex Ferguson's trophies were won pre-glazers. There's a reason he's the only successful coach under the Glazers.

So Mourinho was not successful?

eph12:

We have scouts. We have been buying players before ETH came. We have bought many players most of whom we have abused and blamed for the club's nonsense display and position over the years. Many have left and the display is still there. But ETH has been allowed to bring his own players so that he will have everything he needs to succeed.

Anyways you will never see something concrete as long as Glazers is there, so no worry yourself just dey blame dey go

I still never understand ur point. ETH has been here for one season, do you expect me to blame him for the club's problems?
Is ETH the reason we couldn't offload McGuire and McTominay in the summer?

I dey talk say overall club structure get issues, u dey fixate on Ten Hang for reasons wey I no understand.

ChristoBam:

Our transfer strategy has basically been to bring in players the manager has been interested in, coached or trained with in the past. That extremely limits the pool of players we can actually sign. And you're asking me how's he incompetent.

The strategy has basically been 'Give him want he wants so they don't say we didn't back him'. They aren't really concerned as to if it really works. Just anything to appease the fans for now. No real pushbacks or anything.

We needed a right winger and Ten Hag's choice was Antony. A player that looked like he wasn't even worth 60m. What did they end up doing? The new DOF was supposed to help bring in players that fit in a long term plan for the club. But our midfield target profile went from a Dejong to Mount in the space of a year.

What's actually been the impact of the 'DOF' in the team so far?

nice analysis, infact everything you said is true

ChristoBam:

Our transfer strategy has basically been to bring in players the manager has been interested in, coached or trained with in the past. That extremely limits the pool of players we can actually sign. And you're asking me how's he incompetent.

The strategy has basically been 'Give him want he wants so they don't say we didn't back him'. They aren't really concerned as to if it really works. Just anything to appease the fans for now. No real pushbacks or anything.

We needed a right winger and Ten Hag's choice was Antony. A player that looked like he wasn't even worth 60m. What did they end up doing? The new DOF was supposed to help bring in players that fit in a long term plan for the club. But our midfield target profile went from a Dejong to Mount in the space of a year.

What's actually been the impact of the 'DOF' in the team so far?

This guy gets it.

akwesenana:
Fun fact: A good number of Sir Alex Ferguson's trophies were won pre-glazers. There's a reason he's the only successful coach under the Glazers.

If you see anyone constantly mentioning SAF and success under the Glaziers, just know that one didn't watch anything under SAF.

There's a reason Rooney wanted to leave United. It was obvious the club was in decline. And when did the decline start?

Rooney in an interview said SAF got out as fast as he could.

But let's keep deceiving ourselves na.

That one just brought Ogbomosho stats from his ass 😂 Ferguson won 5 premier league titles in 8 years under the Glazers while making 3 Champions league finals. If Ferguson didn't leave in 2013 and was still here, he would have added at least 3 more league titles and we won't be seeing useless epistles up and down about structure or how scouts are the ones responsible for Ferguson domination.

The same Rooney that said Glazers are the best?

melodyogonna:

The guy is really good, whoever he is. And Perez must be good as well to consistently make the right choice in who he agrees to, I imagine they always have a pool. if they don't then Perez must have narrowed down the specifics they should look for into very specific details.

they make wrong choices also I just called the ones that were successful but yeah the pros outweighs the cons.


they have network of scouts in Brazil and french league