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Emusan:
Not even only said "he was influenced by the church of his time" but "he was just a Bible student with his team searching the truth from the scripture and Russell was never a JW"

Yet with all this negative statement, they still believe Russell gave them 1914 accurately.

But no normal person ( I use normal for a reason) will read Russell works and conclude that the person behind it was just doing research.

Can you see dishonesty? Can one say today that Methodist Church has nothing to do with John Wesley or Apostolic Faith with Florence Crawford? There are some Bible passages these people would not wish are in the scriptures. John 1:1 is one. They can by 'New Lights ' deny God altogether.
Holy Spirit is misguiding idiots.
Same Holy Spirit that guided Isaiah, Moses, Paul? Only God knows where there own Holy Spirit came from.

This mind manipulators have replaced the brain of their followers with pap

Stupidpreneurs

MightySparrow:
Can see dishonesty? Can one say today that Can one say today that Methodist Church has nothing to do with John Wesley or Apostolic Faith with Florence Crawford? There are some Bible passages these people would not wish are in the scriptures. John 1:1 is one. They can by 'New Lights ' deny God altogether.
Holy Spirit is misguiding idiots.
Same Holy Spirit that guided Isaiah, Moses, Paul? Only God knows where there own Holy Spirit came from.

This mind manipulators have replaced the brain of their followers with pap

Stupidpreneurs

That's it!

And the truth is that, they know by their today's standard. Russell and his team too far from it.

So, they need to make way for excuses.

1. Russell was not perfect as God always used imperfect people for His task.

2. Many servants of God made mistakes in the Bible (Even though nobody ever claimed they never do but no servant of God ever USED GOD'S NAME TO LIE, reason why God even made the statement in Deu 18:20-22)

3. We have a new light.

Though I know Watchtower never discard Russell openly they only make excuses for his (RIGHT) teachings only the MaxinDhouse hallgoer miscreant I've seen telling bold face lies against Russell.

Emusan:
That's it!

And the truth is that, they know by their today's standard. Russell and his team too far from it.

So, they need to make way for excuses.

1. Russell was not perfect as God always used imperfect people for His task.

2. Many servants of God made mistakes in the Bible (Even though nobody ever claimed they never do but no servant of God ever USED GOD'S NAME TO LIE, reason why God even made the statement in Deu 18:20-22)

3. We have a new light.

Though I know Watchtower never discard Russell openly they only make excuses for his (RIGHT) teachings only the MaxinDhouse hallgoer miscreant I've seen telling bold face lies against Russell.

One fellow in this thread debated me and denied Russell. He wasn't a Jehovah's witnesses. The name changed by Rutherford, therefore, anything about Russell should be discarded.

MightySparrow:
One fellow in this thread debated me and denied Russell. He wasn't a Jehovah's witnesses. The name changed by Rutherford, therefore, anything about Russell should be discarded.

Well it's ignorance.

Changing name doesn't erase the founder.

Jack is the founder of Twitter, Elon Musk bought it and change the name to X.

Does that mean Jack isn't founder of X?

If anything by Russell should be discarded, why are they still believe that Jesus returned in 1914? because that was Russell ideas copied from SDA.

Why are they still referring to their gods in Warwick as Faithful and discreet slave?

because these are Russell ideas.

In fact, Russell and his team are the ones Jesus met when he searched the whole Earth and found no true Christian.

These are the reasons Watchtower can't openly discard Russell.

Emusan:
But you just said you don't practice that.

Are you talking about what Jesus (perfect teacher) laid down or what apostles (imperfect teachers) did?
Which one exactly are JWs not practicing?

Emusan:
But the same hall will be sold later without your money returned back to you

We don't contribute to take it back that's what CHEERFUL GIVERS means {2Corinthians 9:7} Jesus Christ didn't teach us to receive back what we have given out to support God's work! Act 20:35

Emusan:
So was the practice good or bad?
Why JWs can't follow their example?
JWs sell their hall or not?

That's what God's organization is doing for our brothers who are less privileged to enjoy pure worship in all places! 2Corinthians 8:14

Emusan:
Well it's ignorance. Changing name doesn't erase the founder. Jack is the founder of Twitter, Elon Musk bought it and change the name to X. Does that mean Jack isn't founder of X? If anything by Russell should be discarded, why are they still believe that Jesus returned in 1914? because that was Russell ideas copied from SDA. Why are they still referring to their gods in Warwick as Faithful and discreet slave? because these are Russell ideas. In fact, Russell and his team are the ones Jesus met when he searched the whole Earth and found no true Christian. These are the reasons Watchtower can't openly discard Russell.

I'm not here for exchange of hurtful words o!

Between Jesus and John the baptist who is the founder of Christianity?

John started gathering repentant Jews, he was baptizing them, he baptized Jesus too, many of his disciples later became Christians.

So between John who started the whole thing in the first century and Jesus who later came to him who is the founder of Christianity?

MaxInDHouse:
Are you talking about what Jesus (perfect teacher) laid down or what apostles (imperfect teachers) did?
Which one exactly are JWs not practicing?

What Apostles did that have used for example on this forum.

Was it bad or good?

We don't contribute to take it back that's what CHEERFUL GIVERS means {2Corinthians 9:7} Jesus Christ didn't teach us to receive back what we have given out to support God's work! Act 20:35

But Watchtower sold your Halls

Do they share it EQUALLY among JWs?

That's what God's organization is doing for our brothers who are less privileged to enjoy pure worship in all places! 2Corinthians 8:14

This isn't answer to my question.

Did what Apostles do wrong or right?

MaxInDHouse:
I'm not here for exchange of hurtful words o!

How is that my business?

Between Jesus and John the baptist who is the founder of Christianity?

Christian was derived from Christ.

A day old Bible student won't even ask a question like this.

John started gathering repentant Jews, he was baptizing them, he baptized Jesus too, many of his disciples later became Christians.

John wasn't THE CHRIST, was he?

So between John who started the whole thing in the first century and Jesus who later came to him who is the founder of Christianity?

John never found anything. He was simply doing his own assignment.

You agreed Russell founded Watchtower but Jesus bought it from him even though you never tell us HOW MUCH IT COST?

Emusan:
Well it's ignorance.

Changing name doesn't erase the founder.

Jack is the founder of Twitter, Elon Musk bought it and change the name to X.

Does that mean Jack isn't founder of X?

If anything by Russell should be discarded, why are they still believe that Jesus returned in 1914? because that was Russell ideas copied from SDA.

Why are they still referring to their gods in Warwick as Faithful and discreet slave?

because these are Russell ideas.

In fact, Russell and his team are the ones Jesus met when he searched the whole Earth and found no true Christian.

These are the reasons Watchtower can't openly discard Russell.

The deity of Jesus written in The Finished Mystery is quietly discarded. Unless you are familiar with their teachings, you won't know anything. You need to read their Awake twenty years ago. So voluminous and full of criticisms and condemnation of churches with and without evidences.

Emusan:
What Apostles did that have used for example on this forum. Was it bad or good?

If it's about selling what they have and sharing the proceeds EQUALLY among themselves that is EVIL from the standpoint of our greatest counselor.
Remember Judas Iscariot raised the suggestion when Jesus was with the apostles {John 12:5} but Jesus told them:
For you always have the poor with you, and you can do them good whenever you want to, but you will not always have me. Mark 14:7
So since Jesus never agreed to the idea nor did it then such practice is from the flesh not the spirit!

Emusan:
But Watchtower sold your Halls
Do they share it EQUALLY among JWs?

I told you i am a member of WATCHTOWER so whatever the group does is on behalf of all members globally {1Corinthians 1:10} Jesus never share money after cheerful ones donate it rather it's for other necessary things having to do with the ministry!

Emusan:
This isn't answer to my question.
Did what Apostles do wrong or right?

Going by what resulted from the exercise Yes it is WRONG! Jesus said we will always have poor ones among us so each can do whatever he feels is best to help his brothers and sisters in the faith {Mark 14:6} that's not the work of the GB (Apostles)

MightySparrow:
The deity of Jesus written in The Finished Mystery is quietly discarded. Unless you are familiar with their teachings, you won't know anything. You need to read their Awake twenty years ago. So voluminous and full of criticisms and condemnation of churches with and without evidences.

They can't deny that Russell taught worshiping of Jesus Christ and all other doctrines.

Yet it's the one Jesus found worthy among ALL THE RELIGIONS ON EARTH and Jesus still allowed him to die worshiping Him when Jesus knows He is not to be worshipped.

They won't agree Russell is a pagan and died as a pagan because Russell is still part of those ruling with Jesus in heaven and directing the current Watchtower.

Emusan:
They can't deny that Russell taught worshiping of Jesus Christ and all other doctrines.

Yet it's the one Jesus found worthy among ALL THE RELIGIONS ON EARTH and Jesus still allowed him to die worshiping Him when Jesus knows He is not to be worshipped.

They won't agree Russell is a pagan and died as a pagan because Russell is still part of those ruling with Jesus in heaven and directing the current Watchtower.

Jesus, minister in charge of Watchtower

MaxInDHouse:
If it's about selling what they have and sharing the proceeds EQUALLY among themselves that is EVIL from the standpoint of our greatest counselor.
Remember Judas Iscariot raised the suggestion when Jesus was with the apostles {John 12:5} but Jesus told them:
For you always have the poor with you, and you can do them good whenever you want to, but you will not always have me. Mark 14:7

So since Jesus never agreed to the idea nor did it then such practice is from the flesh not the spirit!

Waoooo what the Apostles did by selling their properties and share it EQUALLY among themselves is EVIL

Let me see how many of your brothers will agree with you on this.

Before I bring fact.

Emusan:
Waoooo what the Apostles did by selling their properties and share it EQUALLY among themselves is EVIL
Let me see how many of your brothers will agree with you on this.
Before I bring fact.

Ọmọ that's what has been happening to the Governing Body today!

At times they get the perfect understanding of what Jesus laid down but some other time they err.
Jesus never taught us to eradicate poverty among believers so the move to do so is not from the holy spirit that's why it led to disaster and instantly they stopped the practice.

When we tell you people that the understanding of inspired writings is a gradual thing you will say the apostles got it perfectly whereas they are also imperfect humans like all others.

So how do we know that they got something correctly? Is it just because they were with Jesus or because they were able to perform SIGNS?

Naaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

It's because they were able to fulfil what God promised in the scriptures.

That's exactly what our Beroean brothers looked into not just because those men were with Jesus! Acr 17:11

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ that's what has been happening to the Governing Body today!

At times they get the perfect understanding of what Jesus laid down but some other time they err.
Jesus never taught us to eradicate poverty among believers so the move to do so is not from the holy spirit that's why it led to disaster and instantly they stopped the practice.

When we tell you people that the understanding of inspired writings is a gradual thing you will say the apostles got it perfectly whereas they are also imperfect humans like all others.

So how do we know that they got something correctly? Is it just because they were with Jesus or because they were able to perform SIGNS?

Naaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

It's because they were able to fulfil what God promised in the scriptures.

That's exactly what our Beroean brothers looked into not just because those men were with Jesus! Acr 17:11

At least you already said what they did was EVIL, so allow your brothers to come. I want to know if they agree with you.

Nobody ask you story Mr storyteller

Correction and for future reference: The Apostles didn't do that with the mind set of ERADICATING POVERTY but out of generosity.

Emusan:
At least you already said what they did was EVIL, so allow your brothers to come. I want to know if they agree with you.
Nobody ask you story Mr storyteller
Correction and for future reference: The Apostles didn't do that with the mind set of ERADICATING POVERTY but out of generosity.

The highlighted!

First of all it wasn't even their own idea rather the move came from wealthy converts who feel so much love for their fellow believers that were poor. Act 4:32

So the apostles fell for the gesture forgetting what Jesus told them about poor ones.

Ọmọ take it to anywhere the program was to ERADICATE POVERTY among themselves.

Generosity should be what you personally own not what others own the money brought wasn't from the pocket of apostles! Act 4:34

Your statement is wrong because it's against Watchtower teaching.

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted!

First of all it wasn't even their own idea rather the move came from wealthy converts who feel so much love for their fellow believers that were poor. Act 4:32

It's their own idea, if you disagree then tell me whose idea?

So the apostles fell for the gesture forgetting what Jesus told them about poor ones.

Lying liar!

This is Acts 4:32 "All the believers were united in heart and mind. And they felt that what they owned was not their own, so they shared everything they had."

Take your demonic explanation to your house because I know Watchtower never teaches that.

Ọmọ take it to anywhere the program was to ERADICATE POVERTY among themselves.

It was not. Point out the scripture.

Generosity should be what you personally own not what others own the money brought wasn't from the pocket of apostles! Act 4:34

This is your Watchtower explaining Generosity inspired Generosity.

Well I know you have no truth in you but I'll continue expose your lying mouth as Jesus did to your father the Devil.

[quote author=Emusan post=126237324]Your statement is wrong because it's against Watchtower teaching.



It's their own idea, if you disagree then tell me whose idea?



Lying liar!

This is Acts 4:32 "All the believers were united in heart and mind. And they felt that what they owned was not their own, so they shared everything they had."

Take your demonic explanation to your house because I know Watchtower never teaches that.



It was not. Point out the scripture.



This is your Watchtower explaining Generosity inspired Generosity.

Well I know you have no truth in you but I'll continue expose your lying mouth as Jesus did to your father the Devil.[/quote

See MaxInDHouse the confirm liar and manipulator.

He has been peddling this same insanities and madness about those Christians did during the time of the apostles

You see his fellow madness and insanities peddling peddler not responding yet

Well I remember one of his blunder here where JaNosense defended him using imperfect card

Whatever the case is, this one na liar against the Holy spirit

Emusan:
Your statement is wrong because it's against Watchtower teaching.



It's their own idea, if you disagree then tell me whose idea?



Lying liar!

This is Acts 4:32 "All the believers were united in heart and mind. And they felt that what they owned was not their own, so they shared everything they had."

Take your demonic explanation to your house because I know Watchtower never teaches that.



It was not. Point out the scripture.



This is your Watchtower explaining Generosity inspired Generosity.

Well I know you have no truth in you but I'll continue expose your lying mouth as Jesus did to your father the Devil.

See MaxInDHouse the confirm liar and manipulator.

He has been peddling this same insanities and madness about what those Christians did during the time of the apostles

You see his fellow madness and insanities peddling peddler not responding yet

Well I remember one of his blunder here where JaNosense defended him using imperfect card

Whatever the case is, this one na liar against the Holy spirit

MaxInDHouse:
Obviously you don't know the meaning of the word "FALSE"
Ordained minister under Christ have a duty:
To ORGANIZE Jesus' sheep so that they go on preaching zealously and industriously teaching in all their neighbourhood {Matthew 28:19-20} with that the result is that among all adherents of their TEACHINGS there must be no division {1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3} and LOVE will permeate their gathering so that all those adhering to their teachings will no longer think of lifting weapons against anyone again as disciples of the Prince of Peace! Act 1:8

Did the GOVERNING BODY of Jehovah's Witnesses meet up with this assignment?

If they do whatever errors they made while doing it is irrelevant because errors only shows that they are imperfect humans just like the first century Jewish Apostles!

A classic case of setting the standard, examination for themselves and giving themselves pass mark at the same time after attempting the question using the marking guide.

What do we call that? Examination malpractice and fraud

Jesus said he will be with his people throughout the ages your GODS said he return and restored his presence in 1914....... Fraud

Love permeate your gathering yet Mr A whose Son wants to marry the daughter of Mr B can't do so because of ethnic and tribalistic segregation that exist in your midst. Love permeates, your members still kill abuse and barter one another.......fraud

Preaching and teaching doctrines that are filled with errors, fallible and not inspired....... Fraud

False
not according with truth or fact; incorrect.
"he was feeding false information to his customers"
Similar:
incorrect
untrue
wrong
erroneous
fallacious
faulty
flawed
distorted
inaccurate
inexact
imprecise
invalid
unfounded
untruthful
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concocted
fabricated
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unreal
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fraudulent
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misleading
deceptive
Opposite:
correct
truthful
2.
made to imitate something in order to deceive.
"the trunk had a false bottom"

MaxInDHouse:
The Apostles surely committed blunders!

Jesus taught them that it's not possible to eradicate poverty for now {Mark 14:7} yet that is exactly what they tried to do which led to the death of a Christian couple! Act 5:1-11
So you can't deny that they never committed blunders even though they were baptized with Holy Spirit!

The blunders you are committing on their behalf with your madness and insanities peddling

Lying and manipulations against the holy spirit

Sand2022:
It is revealing how you insult Jesus apostles because you want to protect human organization. Your interpretation of that was wrong. Even if it was true, it's not a spirit led flip flop. Try again.

Gbam Jehovah, Jesus holy spirit can be thrown under the bus to worship 9 GODS housed in New York

Sand2022:
Your avoiding flip flop makes me conclude that you don't believe they flip flopped.

No, how you know whom God is using clearly is by His telling you through vision, dreams or miracles as He pours His spirit. If not, you can think that your work is being done for God when in fact you're working against Him.

Neither Paul nor the Pharisees knew that God had rejected them. Only through supernatural works performed by the apostles could be the prove that God has shifted His attention. Your publication agrees with that.

If God has not told you anything, you may actually be wasting your time thinking you're in His organization.

The reality before us is that, that concept called "Jehovah’s organization" na fraud set up for the worship of humans as GODS

They already know that when we talk about Jehovah's organisation today it refers to the 9 GODS of men housed in USA

Sand2022:
You don't need to go far to understand what Russell meant. The word "divinity" in his article of faith has "" in capital.

Secondly, notice the "he" after that. The "h" is also in capital.

You know that Mr Russell applied Divinity of Christ to Philippians 2:9.

Oga, did Philippians 2:9 teach that God made Jesus equal to God?

No nau!

It was a trend common to Trinitarian translators of the Bible to capitalise pronouns ("He,Him" etc) that refers to Jesus.
Most translations do not do so anymore.

Mr Russell is NOT a Trinitarian, he said in page 71 you cherry picked. ( screenshot evidence)

"We affirm the pre-existence of
Jesus as the mighty Word (Logos)—Spokesman—‘the beginning
of the creation of God,’ ‘the First-Born of every creature,’ the
active Agent of the Heavenly Father, Jehovah, in all the work of
creation. ‘Without Him was not anything made that was made.
(Rev. 3:14; Col. 1:15; John 1:3.) "

Janosky:

At the time of ireneaus ,he wrote about this same topic of Authorities discussed by Paul in Romans chapter 13.
The belief that the verse referenced angels and spirits were popular in his day.

Proverbs 24:16, JEHOVAH'S Servants can not be perfect.
JWs have done well to correct that mistake since the 1960s.

The deeds of those that are not even classified is the one you use justify the reason for your mistakes.

For all the things that were written beforehand were written for our instruction, so that through our endurance and through the comfort from the Scriptures we can repeat mistakes as much as possible and have hope

Below is your reference


Irenaeus, a writer of the second century C.E., said that according to some in his day, Paul was speaking at Romans 13:1 “in regard to angelical powers [or] of invisible rulers.” Irenaeus himself, though, viewed the superior authorities as “actual human authorities.” The context of Paul’s words shows that Irenaeus was correct.

Even iranaeus did not manipulate the scripture in order to use it as support to ban members going to war

You can just tell us you are after peddling your Mumu and no get sense on nairaland

Cc: Sand2022

Janosky:
JWs believe in the guidance of holy spirit.
However, nobody,not even Paul (who wrote scriptures under inspiration of holy spirit )had perfect knowledge.

To err is human.
The important factor is 2 Corinthians 13:9,11.

Readjust, Amend, Improve.


Prophets Samuel and Nathan heard directly from God.
Did God tell Nathan to inform king David to do "whatever his heart tells him to do" to build Jehovah's temple?

Did JEHOVAH tell Samuel that Eliab was JEHOVAH'S anointed?

Did Joseph Rutherford tell you he is perfect and infallible?

Pastorpreneurs who drink tea & converse with their deities also mishear too.

Still marketing those fraud of questions above. Question you know are just fraud originating from your mumu and no get sense peddling brains

Emusan:
He dare not give answer!

The apostles were selling their properties and shared EQUALLY among themselves.

But today JWs are selling properties and never shared EQUALLY rather people like you still donate to them

Answer for where. That one na liar against the holy spirit

He is yet to show us where what those Christians did in the first century is EVIL and where the Holy spirit told Peter what you are doing is evil

MaxInDHouse:
They did it against Jesus' teachings because he specifically told them that they will always have the poor among them.

Jesus never taught us to do that otherwise there wouldn't have been any poor ones among his disciples!

They did it against Jesus' teachings because he specifically told them that they will always have the poor among them.

This too means Jesus didn't help the poor or never recommended assisting the poor

O puro ni e

Emusan:
Not even only said "he was influenced by the church of his time" but "he was just a Bible student with his team searching the truth from the scripture and Russell was never a JW"

Yet with all this negative statement, they still believe Russell gave them 1914 accurately.

But no normal person ( I use normal for a reason) will read Russell works and conclude that the person behind it was just doing research.

The liar and manipulator is using research to hid the insanities and madness peddling of his works and their own as well

Imagine Paul and Russell are the most important messenger sent by Jesus Christ since the gospel age

Emusan:
At least you already said what they did was EVIL, so allow your brothers to come. I want to know if they agree with you.

Nobody ask you story Mr storyteller

Correction and for future reference: The Apostles didn't do that with the mind set of ERADICATING POVERTY but out of generosity.

He wants to save his lying and manipulated head and face from his lies and manipulations of the scripture before others come and peddle their own madness and insanities.

Emusan:
Your statement is wrong because it's against Watchtower teaching.

Why not quote what Watchtower said of recent?
Oh you've forgotten that we do updates on what we know shey?

MaxInDHouse:
Why not quote what Watchtower said of recent?
Oh you've forgotten that we do updates on what we know shey?

So there is another NEW LIGHT in town on this

Who made the first mistake?

Well, you should have provided that as a counter statement. Those how an intelligent people do.

You don't even need anybody to tell you that what those Apostles did was an act of GENEROSITY. So you're wrong for saying what they did was EVIL.